[4:45] ..." they have been involved in last 1 they had left to trade. Freddy Garcia but top four they traded them for pitchers try to line up replacements for -- create potential free agent pitchers and and"...

[6:17] ..." different guys there late they -- the veteran like mcdougal and net. David Aardsma that AAA for local level we have our that we have but that would media all -- portion Aaron. You know look"...

[11:17] ..." of first place. He had worn one runner caught stealing that was Carl Crawford one runner stole a base often. Scroll -- back quickly people realize this guy's got this great people forget that you don't"...

[11:53] ..." done since World Series if you signed. It's all the starting pitcher Jose Contreras and is is. Least successful starting pitcher. Are here basket as to contract. Oh but both looked at the two most sizable"...

[0:00]" But several times a year we like to talk -- this guy just to get -- a different perspective on baseball on a national perspective but. Today in particular we wanted to talk to Phil Rogers because of -- the F. The news around the Chicago White Sox then possibility of trading Mark early in the Red Sox being. -- that are not. And you read -- piece in today's strip the headline of which is White Sox and Williams make all the wrong moves Phil Rodgers joins us on the line filled Daylon Michael again how aria. Better than Kenny Williams I guess not."

[0:32]" Yeah I would imagine that's what I'd give bad morning beat Kim Williams and you know early that you got every waking up alongside of bad fair amount of attack here in 2000."

[0:44]" So Phil give us information here wire either rent a wire the White Sox are willing to move barb -- they licking the slashed payroll are they willing to -- are looking to restock their minor league fifth."

[0:56]" Well they yelled over the I think it basically comes down to Jerry Reinsdorf the older. In a big believer in that you just don't sign pitchers too long term contracts because of the risk of injury -- long term on the -- they haven't signed out of pitcher to wait contract of more than three years since Jamie Navarro in 1996 and that didn't work out too well or. And not you know I I think there -- talks would earlier and I think we'll win the out start the market moved. For starting pitchers last -- Eric what do meeting you saw them. Had to switch gears overnight and started trying to acquire as many young. Pitching young pitchers to cattle placed their current okay. As they and you know I think -- two big guys there early and -- free agent after this year Garland after next year."

[2:01]" Is it true filled it Kenny Williams will not allow teams to talk to -- prior to. Pulling off any sort of a deal for instance if the Red Sox were interest that and wanted to talk to him about a contract extension Williams won't allow it."

[2:14]" Well I think it was Ken Rosenthal reported that last week I don't know that to be to -- the fact and you know when you're talking about. What's the date the 25 of June. You know you have plenty of time to do that kind of you know and and the reason that that would definitely like the white spot. You're you know you're going to be able to get back more on him you'll return of a guy visa scion player that if he's say one annual rental so. I don't know that that's necessarily the case although you know there are -- 18 seemingly interested in early that he might just feel like she could make it did a good clean deal and not have to worry."

[3:01]" So what does happen to this team that maybe that question as to victory answer in the next 1015 minutes we talked to let. I've never thought this team will be capable of losing 20 to 26 or whatever ridiculous right now right now what's the problem."

[3:13]" While Mike it's staggering when did you go back to July 7. Of last year when Boston came in Chicago played the last series for the all star break. The White Sox was going to have any team -- based while they are the defending World Series champs we will almost 30 games over 500 in the first half of the year. Or they played I think the number of hours 42 games under five under and so the problems we've -- those seven. Are really a continuation of the second half of last year and it was it is just remarkable given. You know how well he played in 4 in the first half vote six. I you can you could -- that this badly for this long of a time is just amazing hands and now. You know I think you can -- a lot of things expected decisions they've made trouble off the World Series victory and kind of a function he made that haven't haven't played out and you know some things in fairness that would have been hard it's become that that would elevate. Across the -- they get stopped they haven't yet this year and you know unity. You look at their lineup that are you got -- look what we're right back at you look at their opening daylight out. And you don't think that's still the worst scoring team in the major -- I don't think so but that's what they banned and they also -- Rather today and and I think part of why they have been involved in last 1 they had left to trade. Freddy Garcia but top four they traded them for pitchers try to line up replacements for -- create potential free agent pitchers and and you know they get -- a lot of won't include the lineup like I got all the below little little all. So security there and is -- only earned or it in one's as bad boy age you can imagine."

[5:14]" Kenny Williams is saying the right things about Ozzie Guillen -- job visiting me in the."

[5:19]" I think he does there's no way you can blame yen for what happened to -- this year. You know it. I don't. Players play manager's manager when you look at you look at the bumpers that there're no players have been putting out but you know that -- another big problem with this team is the bullpen that. Hitting Williams gave IDE I don't I don't know I -- hold that against -- manager you open the sweet little. With the bullpen that has no one more experienced than Mike mcdougal all that and when guys stop pitching really -- Bobby jinx the closer is the only guy they -- relief who's done a decent job all year. I'll think about that the only guy who has done great decent I didn't end the game through -- pretty darn good but the other guys have just been abysmal -- They try to different guys there late they -- the veteran like mcdougal and net. David Aardsma that AAA for local level we have our that we have but that would media all -- portion Aaron. You know look at what nothing is really it's really clicked."

[6:35]" If Phil I know what did the what are your rivals newspaper wise -- very idea down at the sun times I know. He's not a big fan of -- calling him the blizzard of vase. Is anyone else in Chicago media wiser for analyze start to jump on him a question some of the things that. They celebrated back in 2005 when the White Sox to win the World Series."

[6:57]" I appreciate that Irish you know there's one thing about Ozzie Guillen and Chicago reporters and that's that most. Most guys guys brought to the ball or knowing they're very well and and."

[7:14]" You know the way. But he just can't stop talking that's just the way he hit it I have wondered sometimes since 2000 went by -- I wondered if maybe the success that he had an -- side that that changed a little bit happiest little hope that all the and so. You know that sure at times yes he has -- the form itself but. You know that's just kind of the same personality -- that's that's that's the in you know I I like. I walked in body at all in the -- now essentially saying something four this year because most stupid get -- in the real trouble when he and I have had some. Interesting conversation this year brother and I guess Chris agencies he would -- they're but Ortiz hit a lot of them. And and were always able to get them -- Erron. You know I think -- really really good manager you know the problems of the bullpen this year is the first the worst seasons he's managed he has a really sounding answers out there right away. Their record of one run games and it has been really I think he knows how to use players when he has. Yeah our way he has a passion for the game I just think you know either the real instinctive. Good manager maybe -- yes sparky Anderson I was then. I think he's in for a while we're but you know -- the -- it. Wake up batting order because sets up and so outrageous -- sort but I had no choice a change but. Outside of that I think you the other White Sox organization has very supportive would be and one other Guillen single quickest. He played very smart man and he understands that Reinsdorf legendary Oriole. Does it or 80s and when he gets a supporter Europe's he never criticizes. Reinsdorf for the war 80s he's he'd never criticize Israel was the organization I think that Colbert and I -- with that spot --"

[9:31]" I want to go back to -- for a minute and just get your refill on on how good a pitcher this guy is -- ability never an issue. You know 200 and plus some -- plus innings every year two years ago he was 16 inning with a sparkling three point 1:2 we RA. Last year 12 and 13 four point 99. This year foreign 43 point 39 he's got the no hitter earlier this year as well how good a pitcher is he right now."

[9:56]" Well I think you play out. Oh a little bit of under the radar guy people are only really now. And recchi and nobody is and you know like she's durable as a very you know if you look at every -- compare. You know over the last three errors that goes over the last three and the second half of 2006. Was eight -- disaster of the early and what every. And I think you know thanks. He's probably right he just didn't have lots of the -- those of the World Series don't buy into oh six they they -- oh but. Apples to get in around really bad but -- never stop -- I mean the guys that is. I want said he has the Tiger Woods genes at this kind of he's bigger that he has that but last year he pitched in double play in the extreme double I actually pitched in double play. He -- when he runners off of first place. He had worn one runner caught stealing that was Carl Crawford one runner stole a base often. Scroll -- back quickly people realize this guy's got this great people forget that you don't worry about it. He fields his position he's a great guy at a club I think the White Sox are right a monumental. By not making that declaring him to be an exception to the rule and going out doing what they can -- side -- So a couple of things Kenny Williams has done since World Series if you signed. It's all the starting pitcher Jose Contreras and is is. Least successful starting pitcher. Are here basket as to contract. Oh but both looked at the two most sizable started pitchers they both had three year extensions. And -- bet that's some degree I think that it's kind of tight williams' hands on early and you know I think you can go back and what the White Sox organization I think he's kind of like this thing coming up Billy pierce who has and an incredible run for the White Sox and if he -- and early 60s like I can I think that's what. We have done and it's. Really sad I don't know of another way to put it the city of getting -- To -- move this girl guy news you know never caused what country where the club. The guys the guys just a freak of nature believable up over this thing really really expect."

[12:58]" Phil we're really appreciate the input in the information I have a feeling Chicago may be at the center of the baseball information universe here for a little while."

[13:07]" Well you know early they're always -- but the only there to trade that -- that's doing well and help the weather Jermaine -- talks but his leg. Real problems so we've -- city Kenny Williams what's to probably break -- traits."

[13:25]" Thanks -- we appreciate it all right thanks take care. Phil Rogers Chicago Tribune joining us"