[0:34] ..." morning -- the -- hooking up with -- the as far as you can -- Eight textbook case or see some variation on the theme."...

[5:22] ..." that. If we -- going a lot of look at them Matt Murton received themselves not as criminals but it are fine citizens to look it was some justice they don't tend to buy illegal"...

[6:51] ..." have a lot of planning and obviously these -- well planned executions. Darrion Scott. People -- snapped open circuit not the case to. Japanese Japanese. -- to type power but weapon on its side it before and hundreds resident in the nation just it just such an occasion. Opposite well planned effort he plain white have been aware. Where -- could do it what kind of weapon you could have. And maybe to some extent the us open at gun it and that extra feeling of power which got him over the initial hope"...

[0:01]" It's our number three Dennis and Callahan James Allen fox is a professor of criminal justice at northeastern university and his co operable called extreme killing. Understanding cereal and mass murder it's a book that takes an overview of multiple homicides including both cereal and mass murders and it examines the many violent expressions of power and revenge -- agreed a loyalty. Using contemporary classic case studies in multiple murder but the fox to -- is on the Poland's good morning professor how are you today. Days professor -- morning -- the -- hooking up with -- the as far as you can -- Eight textbook case or see some variation on the theme."

[0:46]" pretty prototypical you know the February that we would suggest that many people that I could -- bottom. In advance well the problem is that there a lot of people look like a textbook that they -- a -- there aren't there it's a needle -- thousands. -- into. Just like can talk just like him isolated frustrated angry but they'll put a gun to start shooting so after the fact sure people know I knew him. You know only afternoon's shooting. So it's just not something we protected. And -- with could've prevented but urgent mission immediately -- really want to reduce the chance of this happening again let's stop talking about it being a record. We've -- typical open hop about it the big hit the bad mrs. Claudia -- largest and that's because right to others who who actually. -- And invites them to try to break his record looked at records of."

[1:43]" Not to mention NBC you know putting out his recruitment tape if you will his his his slug glorification tape. Offer all to see the night before last."

[1:53]" Yet at that was a mistake I strike truly believe with mistake it was no purpose and that of people feel we need to understand. Not that you really don't does not that much spirited that's surprising and what it doesn't give the guy stage doesn't deserve. And it further advances that celebrity. Of course I don't give record aside from the tabloids and -- the cable channel for the way they covered it with a picture of him and it certainly get the picture that is two guns but you know the parent times that the same thing they're for other cover so I guess you try -- standard but. What if the question is standard there's failed. Again -- come first and all literally dozens continue to advance this man's notoriety and -- possibility to be topic"

[2:41]" professor fox with what took a step backward before we take a step forward your what are the connecting threads. That bring chill and people of his guilt together -- what are the common denominator if you will."

[2:53]" Well they have repeated long history of frustration and failure I think -- right in their life. But the difference is that they played everyone else but they they think nothing of their fault others are to blame. Society's corrupt the it's all the rich candidates the -- surgery. And they're also socially isolated should not only did they not have someone around -- get through hard times but -- about the people around to be recently checked. And the perception of the world. So at this spot become more more. Paranoid in nature. It does have people say equipment that's not the way it is and so he can continue to. -- to carry -- it is and think. The other is -- it's the lack of support it's the frustration of failure -- inability cope with frustration and blaming other people. I don't know that says that the topic a lot of people and that's really -- difficult here here 'cause we we just can't predict."

[3:54]" How many how many mass murderers or serial killers for that matter professor how many of them in the end when you investigate when you research are emulating another mass murderer or another serial killer how many were inspired by someone who came before them."

[4:10]" Problem anywhere -- game we don't show what could he talked about people Harris. Now that couldn't -- okay that they necessarily say that bay he worked perfectly. Calm collected happy satisfy people. And then all of a sudden they heard about it another incident became raving lunatic and all the other conditions have to be there. And seeing someone else committed similar crime can be the ultimate perceptive."

[4:38]" Why do you think he waited till 912 mailed the manifesto in the tapes the pictures to NBC do you think. It included some pictures from the first two murders or he just had -- get over that hump before he went public."

[4:54]" Well by the fact that probably the they weren't openness of 15. The well then what happens if -- if for some reason he. Not able terriers carried -- prospect of Sunday I know that. What what can play this became here and they try to figure out why it went out. It may also be that you play at what we've we know he planned this is that sometimes you win it all month by effect and of those people by the way who believed that. If we -- going a lot of look at them Matt Murton received themselves not as criminals but it are fine citizens to look it was some justice they don't tend to buy illegal weaponry. You win the whole month to get cut. So -- the play anyone up for some period time. It made upbeat and he did did he -- start shooting that Monday morning but what can happen. He had no choice to to -- stage to do next stage which was to me LD is manifesto."

[5:52]" You know my perception of intent -- tell -- if this is at all hesitant to being accurate is it is this person. Perhaps prior to buying those two -- and certainly before about the second one on march 13. Was -- dot downtrodden social outcast miss fit and in your estimation doctor fox. -- did did the guns empowered him to become -- something else to to empower him to raise his old self image to something of a Rambo what you will."

[6:19]" I would I was -- that that. Some extent weaponry can stimulate burden that particular control lots of people purple when they pick a gun. And they hope that that very powerful weapon and it is empowering to them into the personality. So part of his nerves go through with this. This horrific act in this idea that he had this very powerful weapon is and now he is in control. So we have a lot of planning and obviously these -- well planned executions. Darrion Scott. People -- snapped open circuit not the case to. Japanese Japanese. -- to type power but weapon on its side it before and hundreds resident in the nation just it just such an occasion. Opposite well planned effort he plain white have been aware. Where -- could do it what kind of weapon you could have. And maybe to some extent the us open at gun it and that extra feeling of power which got him over the initial hope"

[7:25]" you used the -- stimulation and I'm wondering you touched on this a little bit below -- who spend on would you expect that his manifesto his multi media package -- sent to NBC in the obliged by by playing it for the whole world to see will be stimulating to other people and in -- will this now professor boxed set the new standard for people who while their implants something like this going forward."

[7:47]" Yes I do believe that he's not the only one to write letters. And and in they'd videotape for the agilent rampage course this so well though given enormity of the crimes and he. Killed 43 year two hours then we -- talking about it today. But to have people being of this kind they want the world to know why there are about to do would do do what they did. I don't want to beat proceed by the world some -- and lunatic who just happened and no reason at all to kill they want us to understand that there is a recent. Because in their mind they are that victim. You may do it as he said you caught me to do they are the victim this homicidal act is justifiable murder. And it's very important to put them to let that note it. People toward -- is doing just have. Become a celebrity's note that not not so much because they're not around to enjoy the celebrity. He -- rather -- payment of paper but still important for him to send a message -- in his mind. He little old guy who's going to make it very big statement about what's wrong with America."

[8:56]" Is there any doubt in your mind that he'll be a copycat killer who will -- who will have been inspired by -- And and do you have a theory as to why it's there's more of these now than they used to be is that the Internet is a TV is it Brian messages that they sent from beyond the grave."

[9:18]" Well I do believe that the other shooters. And it is very likely that those other shooters will make reference to trio. -- and that doesn't mean that that word not to -- it would anyway. So oftentimes the copycat it just means that the timing -- the play. The pattern of the crime is influenced by other crimes that the -- so not to show it going to make take. Make other people around this country turned -- The proclivity is there and they may just decide that this is their expiration role -- where work aiding and abetting them the more we. We see his picture. On the radio and magazines -- newspapers and television every time you read a story they always seem to want to say it's the largest."

[10:09]" And it's only just begun when you think about his legend it's only going to grow on him. Now with two with -- us like minded sick goes because they'll write songs and homes and all that crap. At they haven't even begun to pay homage to this guy yet."

[10:24]" Well the -- shirts. Oh and also souvenirs because there aren't there it's pretty common critical mafia which is the people in Paris is group there's critical market teacher. And their web sites that. Speak of oh oh wrote they were that not only did -- the help that the teachers the bullies but they're they're famous. They took matters and got their own hands. Yeah he will become an -- Like others who will be revered by by several people think it will we see this kind of coverage -- news. -- 99 point -- Americans identify with the pain and suffering in the victims of the Buick and vote how it. And what's different today. Is that these. It did happen occasionally 304050 years ago but we didn't help the satellite trucks chill what up seen. We have 24 hour news channels and had nothing better to do but wait for some disasters -- marathon coverage back in the old -- of who we only had three television networks they might do a nude slash but if Joe will wouldn't campanella and preemptive soap operas for some crime. But -- court when he held the all the cable news channel to do routinely people think -- into -- however at least to a."

[11:49]" Professor -- a final question for me and it may be an un answerable one law enforcement officials a slight stats and they and they keep them number of murders per 100000 population so on and so forth if we allow for the factor 300 million people in this country do we have any idea of knowing to researcher or projections how many individuals in this country have the potential to beat this deranged and go to work showed did do do we have any idea what percentage would be."

[12:17]" No we don't have we don't know how many people have the potential and and it when it potential everyone has comparing number. -- elected one group that are the potential for them the other group that that art. But what we do know. Is that it is a rare today it is that they actually carried out there are. For example college campuses the chances this thing happening one inability to count how many homicides occur on -- here and how many school on the college students for which there are millions literally wanted to million chance of a college student. Died because the drug overdose. Alcohol related -- But felt much higher so there -- lots of things we can do to make ourselves -- make our kids safer. This is Billy will lead to our concerns -- it would -- is disastrous it has wide ranging impact. But there's not much -- can do to two -- would already is it is very small risk we don't want to turn our. Our campuses into fortresses we don't have security check points in every class from. What classes would never start given the -- Q we don't want to have a cameras everywhere. The students what kind of free environment -- And indeed -- kind of tragedies occasionally try to pay for our freedoms"

[13:40]" a year from now five years from now ten years from now what what will be the lesson we learn from this and what what should it be. Professor talks."

[13:49]" That's good question I think time will tell what do we allowed this guy he's to name 22. -- often oblivion -- to -- heard from again. That would be good -- or Jack the -- on the other are exactly are every every. We -- look at for example the Columbine every anniversary which is today by the Columbine every year since 1999 we've had tremendous amount of -- coverage what they replay that footage. But people Paris you know top well we have to keep pictures of people would have -- they deserve to be remembered by all but. We shouldn't let these become these these people -- monsters. -- let's talk about crime talk about the victims talk about the suffering talk about the recovery. Let's stop talking so much about the perpetrators display of well example what networks today a special night very effective special. Right before anyone on the air at the name of the -- it was released they changed the title it now what a killer revealed. And so much of the show that focused on him as an individual. We can't continue to focus on the perpetrators if not the one that deserves our attention."

[15:06]" His name is judge James fox he's a professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University coop that book extreme killing -- box thank you but for the time and information that -- we appreciate her. Professor fox with that awesome talent."

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