[4:32] ..." Then you get to Saturday night and you have Josh Beckett going with a mound. And most of Red Sox -- a topic that all of Red Sox Nation is feeling pretty good"...

[5:53] ..." what they said is that he had -- swagger. You know get Josh Beckett had a swagger you can just now walking around the clubhouse and it's not that confident. Basically it was a nice little way of saying well reading his body language he that it would would doesn't mean a thing. I'm sure -- Darren Oliver has great body language too -- I thought it."...

[6:23] ..." and then how he was lifting in all those things that. That Josh Beckett normally does. And they didn't think about the injury going into Saturday night the previous injury because in their mind it was"...

[7:15] ..." works I'm not saying but what my point -- he hasn't been Josh Beckett all year. He was twelve and ten. He was you know flat but you're all season long he's been less than than"...

[7:45] ..." But that this is this was not. Josh Beckett regular season as a -- Josh Beckett regular season forget about the final and you win that game he 'cause he had -- he I had -- in the way we talk about Beckett was supposed to be clear. Josh Beckett. Won twelve games in a regular season spent some time on the DL. Had an ERA of war in the American League east where you had four teams who were really good right so. This this poor season from Josh Beckett by his standards yes by any other standard. Pretty good. Josh Beckett in 2008. Was better than Paul Byrd the guy everybody was screaming for in that game -- when Beckett didn't happen so I think something else is going on with him. I don't expect Josh Beckett to give up eight earned runs in any game at any time lefties are no I don't expect any dad had a"...

[10:56] ..." where are ones where I was thinking. At that moment I said Josh Beckett you've just been given a reprieve. You've been given a reprieve. Let's see if you can how many how far can you go. In the fifth. Before you get the trouble and -- didn't through five they're filling great about themselves that's what I was thinking so bottom of the fifth he strikes out he Lamar. Huge out. He might happen and I think it Terry knows more night his career numbers versus BJ couple BJ Upton career numbers versus him. A three for twelve that's at 250 average up a double six strikeouts. They probably like their matchups"...

[13:45] ..." step up and and form and -- out play out -- and Dan Wheeler did. Dan Wheeler perform latter role likely."...

[0:00]" Let's talk baseball for a few here and a I think when when most -- got a bad as I said early Saturday morning in the immediate aftermath of dice -- to nothing win. If you're Red Sox fan you're thinking wow does this sets up great. Daisuke wins -- game one on the road. And you've now got Beckett Lester pitching for the next five games. And you're thinkin' this couldn't get any better then than the way it's set up."

[0:26]" Where I think you're right let's go back for a second before we get to the nasty stuff. Of Saturday night Saturday night the long game and the game that has a lot of people angry to this day of actually. Seeing two words. Next to. Terry Francona -- name recently. And those words are McGrady and -- and a little I think that's a little much I think that's little much I've seen that I've heard that but before we get that nasty stuff. I -- Friday night was fantastic. That is that is. That's the playoff game you have in mind -- the game you envision. We think of the championship series it has happened to be the Red Sox and race but if you're looking at the Dodgers in the Phillies. Or anybody else whether it was -- the Yankees and the Orioles. Or or the Orioles this than me please let's say as the Yankees in the Angels have somebody like that. And you have a two nothing game that goes along like that too good pitching performances from a from the starters and it comes down to the end. That was terrific Daisuke blew me away. Because I didn't realize I know you get -- during the broadcast. I didn't realize you had a no hitter and the -- that."

[1:39]" I'll tell you what's funny. And this is inside radio stuff. At the end of the fourth. And we went the break. I turned to joke is Joe does that. I turned to Joe and I said well I've run out of ways to say. That he hasn't given up a hit. Until looked out of sports all. He has given exactly exactly concede he was so wild. You'd you'd never think that a guy who is that wild early. Hasn't given up -- it you're just concerned that. He's not going to make it through five or make it through six here four walks in three innings you wanted to wring his neck immediately use that to yourself here we go the same all Daisuke. And right around the fifth inning I said Mets have always -- He had given up hit. And when he hit ghastly got hot you know Daisuke Dice-K is not like a pitcher. He's like a basketball. -- and sharing strike them Daisuke as a basketball player but he he's he's Allen Iverson okay. When he if he can miss his first six or seven. Throw a couple of air balls and you say oh. That's going to be a long night and then he makes to a 32 -- when he putters in a row you know and you Billick can't stop them at one point. Can't do what they can't talk jump. And and I think we ran it to the same thing. On Friday night that we did on Saturday night on Friday night it worked out on Saturday when you're surprised that he brought him that it came out. But we've got to figure out how we feel about this thing you know I feel about it. I know we're not going back you in 1965. I don't want to go back to 1960 for a understand that they -- evolution of sports evolution of pitching. But I do respect guys who can throw it. Who can give a hundred who can throw 14550. Pitches in a playoff game I think that's great for typical point. The the White Sox won the World Series like that in 2005. Just -- I think most of the time it's counterproductive. To do it that well but I mean I respect I respect the effort I think it's counterproductive I like guys like Roy Halladay unless you're talking about a seventh game and there's no tomorrow type thing and then. You know Garnett Roy Halladay and Curt Schilling in the past -- anymore Jack Morris back in the day yet so. What we've got to figure out what we want on one hand we say stop baby these guys. You know he was strong. Wide wow you know what why take him out after seven innings seven innings this modern baseball thing drives me crazy. And then we fell victim to our own critique. Win. Daisuke comes back. For the eight fittingly they do not do went out there -- seven innings than nothing got you through seven that's not the job. He doesn't look at it that way. He obviously didn't had it haven't yet to be taken out of the game the -- opening comes and other great job itself."

[4:32]" Then you get to Saturday night and you have Josh Beckett going with a mound. And most of Red Sox -- a topic that all of Red Sox Nation is feeling pretty good about. After Daisuke one game one. I don't know anybody back here who was saying should be Lester pitching game -- Leicester should be again pitching game two not Beckett because after you in in in many people's minds stole wanting game one you're fine with Beckett go one of them yeah. I was fine with -- you're fine without Gerry Callahan was fine with -- Saturday before the games start. He now. I mean I'm not telling tales out of school here nobody bulletins know when sports news breaks he didn't have. You don't know -- had goin' in and I'm talent -- I talked to Terry both for the pregame show on Saturday and even off the year. They said his between start routine. From the Anaheim game to this game. Was totally normal effect -- phrase was he wasn't trying to pitch coming back from injury he was just getting ready for his next start."

[5:35]" Well if it was it was surprising. To them it was surprising -- hear this because you were doing in the game. But the Brock grabbed the broadcast crew. A chip Carrey and buck Martinez and Ron darling. They also dad and I hate this phrase in sports but I'm just going to repeat what they said is that he had -- swagger. You know get Josh Beckett had a swagger you can just now walking around the clubhouse and it's not that confident. Basically it was a nice little way of saying well reading his body language he that it would would doesn't mean a thing. I'm sure -- Darren Oliver has great body language too -- I thought it."

[6:14]" So -- Out I would say this Terry wasn't talking about body language when -- talking about between our target a lot of swagger was talking about how he was thrown the ball and then how he was lifting in all those things that. That Josh Beckett normally does. And they didn't think about the injury going into Saturday night the previous injury because in their mind it was not an issue. -- I keep saying and that but they wrote about it today Beckett keeps saying nobody believes. That I'm not her right he keeps saying I don't know how many more ways I can tell I'm fine I'm okay yeah I'm not hurt he just didn't happen Saturday night. And."

[6:48]" What do you believe that I mean you believe that he wasn't hurt I mean based on the numbers that you that he's not hurt based on the numbers that you seen in two playoff games so far. As as -- Benjamin wrote. He -- his sterling ERA. Post season ERA has now ballooned. To two point 85 because of these Lastings --"

[7:08]" Why I believe. Whole different -- it's all season it -- yes it is no I don't Saturday was works I'm not saying but what my point -- he hasn't been Josh Beckett all year. He was twelve and ten. He was you know flat but you're all season long he's been less than than the guy -- watched pitch last year like but you know could've won a cy young Award. That guy hasn't even appeared twice all season to you who pitched on Saturday mark Portugal all I mean that that's not the way that was really well done thank you -- anybody you're asking you know. I I like that."

[7:45]" But that this is this was not. Josh Beckett regular season as a -- Josh Beckett regular season forget about the final and you win that game he 'cause he had -- he I had -- in the way we talk about Beckett was supposed to be clear. Josh Beckett. Won twelve games in a regular season spent some time on the DL. Had an ERA of war in the American League east where you had four teams who were really good right so. This this poor season from Josh Beckett by his standards yes by any other standard. Pretty good. Josh Beckett in 2008. Was better than Paul Byrd the guy everybody was screaming for in that game -- when Beckett didn't happen so I think something else is going on with him. I don't expect Josh Beckett to give up eight earned runs in any game at any time lefties are no I don't expect any dad had a I am I can understand that but eight runs."

[8:40]" I'll -- I just everybody within that organization that I talked to. Said he's not hurt he had been hurt -- doubt about that he's okay -- In some respects I think the oblique strain was almost overstated by many people. He didn't he didn't actually get to the point of flat out screwed it up. Because he felt a little something right at the fortieth pick to the bullpen session he felt a little something in John Farrell who's pretty smart guy said that's it we're done. You know -- shut it down here they didn't let it get to the point where he had that. -- thing turn into something awful you know what they were pretty smart about it I I. I just watching him I'm watching I watched him throw in the bullpen. Friday. For days of run together your form before start I watch are working out he he looked just like he always does. He's not he doesn't look like he's protecting himself -- doesn't he's not wincing. Not that I mean nothing not running out of bounds like Laurence Maroney as as Francona said after his angel's start he was -- Alright and right and and and I'll take Terry at his word. But he had a lot of time between that start and this start more time to get himself ready. He was okay he'd just didn't have. He was awful by his standards he was unbelievably awful but he'll just bat."

[10:01]" Okay not not tell me they give me your honest thoughts here. -- on Saturday night the Red Sox take a six to five Lee. In the top of the fifth inning. So as we go toward the bottom of the fit. I think it's been 26 minutes. Batting around. When you went to the bottom of the fit were you thinking. Bring in another pitcher right now."

[10:27]" Yes yeah I don't surprise that I was surprised eleventh I was at 65 we've seen and -- Josh -- he had already. Given away to -- that is offensive provided him -- the first candidate right back to not only for it takes to the mound yeah cans at right back in the had a 32 -- or whatever -- right back. Yeah I I was surprised Terry brought him."

[10:50]" I've just. You know like -- said he didn't have it wasn't the same guy well okay not a -- where are ones where I was thinking. At that moment I said Josh Beckett you've just been given a reprieve. You've been given a reprieve. Let's see if you can how many how far can you go. In the fifth. Before you get the trouble and -- didn't through five they're filling great about themselves that's what I was thinking so bottom of the fifth he strikes out he Lamar. Huge out. He might happen and I think it Terry knows more night his career numbers versus BJ couple BJ Upton career numbers versus him. A three for twelve that's at 250 average up a double six strikeouts. They probably like their matchups there. And after -- You've got. Carlos Pena -- these numbers three for seventeen career 176. Average a homer. Remember that homer at Fenway Park out this year. And eight strikeouts."

[11:54]" And stop right here I'll do the meatloaf on. Right here is -- I said okay Terry. You gotta change okay wreck -- so right this minute. The minute. Upton and Pena got on I said okay Terry now's the time yet so you you you like your matchup there you get you more that you say are. I'll record numbers versus opted not like our numbers. Versus Pena who we didn't in the to trouble. Longoria has already hit a home run off of them. You get him out of there so this is what happens Upton walks. And he steals second base. Pena singles to right center Upton scores 66 game at that point you say get -- you gotta get him out. Because -- era's numbers and and I like I'd love to hear Terry talk about this -- numbers. Versus Longoria. On what Longoria is four for 12333. Double a home run four strikeouts."

[12:51]" So. You're in trouble. He hasn't pitched well and you've got a guy with a good numbers coming up against."

[13:00]" That was the point right there. Even if I was surprised that he brought him out for the fifth and I was surprised that I would and a -- my god what's he do. Ball once they got through Pena I thought okay. He can't pace long glory here. Especially the way Longoria was when in about that day in the way Josh looked I'm thinking this is where and it. You know -- Joe Madden was treating and for obvious reasons they were much more desperate than the Red Sox. And Joe Madden in decided fairly early on. You know I don't know what happened to Scott Kazmir I don't know where he lives now but he doesn't live in Tampa bay anymore. You know and and he went he went into that bullpen early any went with what you thought were his top bullpen guys early. Burned through Howell weren't through Bal for out thinking you know somebody's going to have to step up and and form and -- out play out -- and Dan Wheeler did. Dan Wheeler perform latter role likely."

[13:53]" The last guy you expect to do what did it. How would Beckett I understood what they were trying to do they were trying desperately to get him through five and in and tell -- admitted it. After the games that we were trying to. Get through five. And set up our bullpen and it didn't work right to so and this is where. With with Terry Francona your favorite word would come into play semantics. Use today. I think he should have taken him out. Terry Francona would say I'm guessing. I don't want you to speak for me -- but I'm -- guessing he would say. It's the right thing to do it did not work. Are you saying the same thing."

[14:41]" I don't know I. I mean. What I don't think he was doing and I heard John and Jerry talk about this he wasn't trying to get -- the win. He's not sit there saying and it might get him to find peace in line to get the win he doesn't care Beckett doesn't care. Francona doesn't care right no one cares who gets the win so this idea that he did it just because he wanted to make sure that -- qualified for the win. Is just patently absurd. He was doing it because he was trying to get his -- and set up as he put it -- to do the sixth seventh eighth and ninth right. But but it it just despite your best laid plans at a point that that he left him in the face Longoria on -- okay I understand what you were trying to do. Maybe it's time change the plan here."

[15:29]" And I think though the won the one legitimate second guess is Longoria based on the numbers and based on the situation there's another problem the other one for me was. You burn Lopez for just one guy. I mean has turned out just one pitch. But you've lost Lopez with just one batter faced. And and so another valuable arm in your bullpen you've got a group of guys that you really count on yeah Abbott -- what an -- but I'm looking at it again and that I think we have to do this this is this is something. I never do want to watch and again. I never watch a game and think. Or what his numbers versus this guy. You know what is he trying to do here you're watching the game your -- you shouldn't be doing it. You're enjoying it got a -- got a couple people over it talkin' trash between innings it's fine. Get something that you get some popcorn thinking about what his numbers are versus someone so. So. I think that to say this Willie -- bar and Deion RO DR are Navarro."

[16:30]" are actually pinch hit for Floyd Floyd and it's the guy who you know what what that what happened was they they announced I've bar. Terry went brought Lopez."

[16:41]" But I bars a switch hitter and the -- Nell because. No because no Lopez relieved after all the groin don't right right right -- got Crawford yeah. And then Crawford was out and having an imminent Crawford got a singled in Longoria scores. I've Bart comes in for and I didn't you know I commend Brian they bring in del -- So. We don't know what what Lopez. Has done against the rest of the guys were scheduled to face. That might have factored into."