[1:12] ..." continue things dusty wrong and that dusty remind -- with the catcher. AJ Pierzynski. Don't talk about it all the Tigers are. I know Pierzynski. -- the games some baseball knew at which no I don't"...

[11:03] ..." would play tomorrow is that right against against the twins yes and Joe Mauer goes over four. Dustin Pedroia by with a better."...

[26:24] ..." right hand early and played and Hagler was really shaken yet. But Tiki Barber for right Beckett could that you wanted to know. You do lose our guys didn't hurt but he are Kearns hit him"...

[0:00]" Like Joe. And to anybody tonight call it's -- to run militant. -- Danish he would like Pittsnogle -- life. Mikey show. He's been -- showed -- opening. Joe this is the music that cheeky after the question we'll show. We're almost the puck when Mike starts in the dark that it will be -- and my shoe."

[0:31]" Sports. Yeah. -- planted your body clock tonight and -- when it but oh yeah here. Everything you -- those of you wondered about the White Sox Tigers two to bottom of the sixth. Sox have been on second base and -- prolong their season. On the other pitchers as the pitchers have a hard time a lot of passed balls or wild pitches throwing error. This guy dusty Ryan the catchers haven't knock knock it down any of these things for the pitchers -- but with. But Mobley were along pitcher throws -- joke there. As the weights trying to continue things dusty wrong and that dusty remind -- with the catcher. AJ Pierzynski. Don't talk about it all the Tigers are. I know Pierzynski. -- the games some baseball knew at which no I don't at all in fact not just and it. It is the regular and it. A good friend George Kimball steered towards as a guy who wrote for The Herald for dot. 217 years -- summary Chargers are at the arrows over -- by only 25 years. A fixture 'til 2005. That would have more at the Phoenix before that in the Boston Herald even and kicking around a bit in Georgia boxing guy knows everything there is to know about boxing especially. When it comes to the subjects of his. His latest book which is called for kings and it's available now right George yup."

[2:02]" It's available to our food if you're stores that sold. They sell a lot of yeah they've been felon and it's it actually is not even officially published until Wednesday when on sale last last Wednesday -- just you know sort of -- quarter that yep. Amazon. It's -- got home last night from the of the book party. And Amazon respected navigated at the pre orders right immediately got on the other you know Michael Jones of what the hell's going on there isn't in his -- exchange of emails today and thousands of books -- the --"

[2:33]" has no interest right now as we speak. Well it's it's up book that you know certainly needed to be written and it's a good thing is written by you could your fully aware of all of the players in this scenario in. At basically it's a book about four. Champions."

[2:47]" Well it's about it's a book really about an error if you know I could discipline and -- great era of boxing -- and I think you know between the for these guys. You know that you they all fought each other each what at least. One of them beat at least one of the others one of law due to laws or at least one of the other ever talking to ran -- Hagler and one and they they had nine fights over you know over that decade. And you -- if you don't see sustained rivalries of that. Quality of that nature anymore and and probably never will again it was it was a special time and a I don't think we realize how special it was effective but we certainly --"

[3:26]" Well you know it's hard to it to to determine too big based on the -- these guys did have a each other if you I'll ask you who to rethink was the best."

[3:35]" Well you styles make fights and they might my cop out answer is that -- SS that that if to wit the the the best of the four you've got to say it's whoever you think one -- Leonard the Leonard and I California. And and I already won it -- that's and that you know that's a question that that to this day. I think you know people are probably split 5050. If you walk in -- were not around here of course there you know it's a little."

[4:04]" You hear about aren't -- I think to classic sports would probably love to have that fight and show that fight on I don't know how many times they've shown."

[4:12]" Yeah that is it that you know it was it was one of those things that. The result could've gone either way and it ended up as a split decision and I actually thought. Leonard. Won the fight simply because I think he understood the whole fight was scored does -- and did he didn't hurt him no we didn't -- of Lamar and and of course Marvin. Marvin didn't hurt -- is issued computer refuted I think he respected her that you -- that was that was sort of an on -- problem when when Marvin for a great writers and sometimes. Guys you should just knock the hell out of he was more courses than he needed to be. He was cautious with the ran when he fought him. And it nearly cost in the fight him where -- I think if you could score another to get a right to -- constructive or you know on the fifth of that round."

[4:57]" Now -- each guy have their own individual set of circumstances that they were dealing with a their personality quirks that. You know about the the boxing world has ever you know short of people like that. But these guys to excel the way they did what --"

[5:11]" The other so I -- there -- third Donald very different stylistically in the ring but there's just you have very different personalities different backgrounds. And they -- they sort of all needed each other and ends at this is the story of you know the four guys and and they sort of all come together and sustain this over a decade and and how. -- they played played off with -- each other. How one -- led to the next how any held held it was all it's all kind of going to Woburn because a lot of these things did affect the other thing. Course Ria we're -- familiar with Hagler. He was originally from Brockton he was from Newark actually right he had moved to Brockton. After. After the riots to other I would I didn't realize. Pulitzer -- is we're going to Andruw comes into a news story of the gunfire through the windows and that his mother -- was making the kids grow around. On the -- on the floor of the apartment so they did didn't get up and expose themselves to go on for through the window and but it turned out like it that a the social worker in the project where we're. -- and his family were living and was. A woman who was. The mother of the man then known as LeRoy Jones though a -- for Rocca that the board playwright. It she's she was a social worker who actually. Helped arrange for me. To get out of there and and to move two bra commercial -- and how old was was nervous like of a thirteen fourteen and nicely and and he finally used the a sixteen by the time you finally ended up taking a boxing at the -- Belgium. And by the time he was nineteen he ended up winning the winning the US national title at the AU tournament which is which is actually held right here in Boston for. I don't think it has I don't think it's been back since it was there was the -- 9073. And Leonard was also boxer in that tournament. Didn't win in his division he was fighting a little or lower weight class. And Marvin. But beyond -- here although a whole lot of the boxers that ended up being part of that store our Olympic classes have been fixed we're here. But Marvin Hagler was the most. The most valuable player he -- go to the outstanding boxer they're our future and so that -- this is one thing do you you wonder and Marvin did you know. And we just got married had a -- did he -- had a job. And he announced ready after the -- turned pro four to go forty dollars for his first right. Leonard stuck around me to the Olympics with -- class written your third five gold medalist. And America just fell in love -- them. And and -- ended up making 40000 for an effort of -- that. So there that it it there was always that resentment. In always that what -- with that that. Rail and Marvin always thought that -- got more than you deserve in and that Marvin never get enough credit."

[8:15]" How how big was the I don't want to called a system why we all know that since Don king's been involvement boxing you know that that is a steering mechanism or guiding. Force behind matchups and who who fights who and I and I always thought that maybe somewhere along the line. There was a a preference. From the judges. Based on. Who they thought was going to be you know the big star and I remember particularly when -- Mike Norman Hartford guy Moochie Marlon starling got beat by -- because he's supposed to be becoming you know after the Olympic."

[8:49]" I don't I don't think you know I think there have been some place like that where you could save maybe the promoter did influence them I don't think. That was the case in any -- that these guys including. You letter Leonard Hagler Marvin Marvin in his first title forward for the Atlanta for Romo. Should've won the fight thought it was easily going to walk away with -- actually. And took the -- getting easier the last couple rounds in ended up with a draw through letter from a kept the title. And that that that soured -- about Las Vegas judges forever into that because he was convinced that -- betting --"

[9:24]" I because that's what you tended to -- you know we all we don't want all of us that are old enough to remember watched that that Leonard Hagler fight. And you know maybe it's because you're watching it through Rose colored glasses or a slanted viewpoint -- rooting for for Hagler. -- I mean I thought. But just based on the fact that you know I I thought he hurt -- never heard him well and I don't -- the poise -- Leonard wood do all those fancy combinations you know --"

[9:50]" But he actually if only Dunlop in the corner was actually telling -- when there were thirty seconds left and around so he he would know when to put on a show and and he could -- to steal some closer conflict that yeah. I think that if this had been the old days before you -- judges with the -- the soul or provider of the fight. And you have to do it decisively defeated European to win the title there's no question that the refereed holes -- Iverson and a but under the under the rules that they were playing by -- each round is scored as separate entity to judge turned to discard can't go back to it can't change it on this guy won this round this guy when -- I think -- just -- earliest it."

[10:28]" We got a phone calls coming in to talk to George Kimball written a book called for kings of course short Somalia's former herald columnist for 45 years I -- tonight it was. It -- it only seemed like forty right George. Telephone number six point 7779850. 888525850. Is that is that toll free number -- beat before before at the phone calls -- it looks like somebody from Chicago. I couldn't see who has said just hit."

[10:55]" One out and you know might Red Sox fans should be pulling for the White Sox in this game why's that because if they force a playoff. And they would play tomorrow is that right against against the twins yes and Joe Mauer goes over four. Dustin Pedroia by with a better."

[11:11]" That's right that's an -- that's okay I'll call it back -- it if you want to we are river Alex Johnson yet as in 1970 winning my third report after each set and out. He catches in Dorchester cat sale owner George Kimball."

[11:23]" Very good -- actually got shot and it is Milan will delicate. I I I saw Sean -- well -- a few months ago I see him in Ireland if you judge retarded. That's why like after the barely it is that the other have well have been but. I didn't read of course there was the truth it's like that my family and could expect that. But I like called what actually excited figured I'd like a baby is entirely."

[11:52]" No well. No I don't I think you know I hit it and I think everyone applauds the wisdom of the decision at the same time I think. That. There was a certain petulant about it we're going to. Yeah he he really. He -- if he really thought you if if he really thought he won that fight there was money on the table for rematch and if you have made things up with with -- And rather than do that he just walked away you wouldn't do it because he was willing to deny himself. What would have been the biggest -- what is life -- chair to -- learned that it's -- a paycheck so I mean there there was a certain. That's -- about that yeah but it but no I I I'm really I'm glad you know how many of these guys DC fight beyond the time that you retired. But most of them yeah and and they retire they -- retire they retire you retire quiet I'd actually. I mean I've followed Marvin I was covered all of instead of right from the time -- won the fight with better he actually improved in every one of them went up to the the -- to list them. You know John -- before right. And letter was watching the same thing with a -- Marvin missing punches never witnessed him getting equipment that would. You won the fuzzy undertrained at that is no uninspired in the ring I think you question you know. Yeah it's sometimes they get old overnight some guys it and agreed to put him but it to slow enough reflects. There that that I wanted him to retire that. And but of course Leonard -- looking good thing for and I was that's why when it finally just that he would fight yeah yeah some people's stories. Thanks for the call."

[13:32]" Oh what they've got to think like it it in like 84 like -- could be any other. You know and it investigate any other you know before that."

[13:42]" No I -- over. Certainly he would've had the best chance. Against any of them. Against Iran at a 154 pounds because it's not for a Rivera would not really comfortably settled into that way yet I think he he did later on."

[14:04]" At the time you know doing and that it's just won the title by beating Davey Moore. And -- on would have been. Second in line for mandatory after Mike McCallum. And then when we're doing and opted to go -- Tommy -- that you can unify the title. Allegedly unified the WB instructive. And that's no McCallum and -- on ended up fighting for the vacant."

[14:28]" Yeah. What are -- probably still young intent. Thanks for the moment and appreciate who's going to show on the car next -- excellent."

[14:36]" They guys without knowing APEC all I can remember it about a pile on the -- ray Leonard Chad. Now my article with the spot up a -- that they let them down. A bit like the adjustment that you do. You know the panel had long been known him you Yugoslav but -- protect -- because there was just try to protect those guys. That was and I didn't watch box for another 23 years that that call it was but I'd I'd pick -- and want."

[15:06]" Play you know -- you're you're certainly not alone and be beginning that night of in the Flames stay celts in Las Vegas about 2 in the morning after real -- stories. Or is that some of the foremost boxing writers of the world we're -- knockdown drag out arguments about this and and they and you're forty years later they still aren't sure. That's it you know I know I realize a lot of people around here there's probably preponderance around here. That. It's still feel very strongly that -- one which you can walk it you can walk into pubs anywhere in the world and start this argument you're gonna get half the people lined up on each side."

[15:40]" Now well I guess we're elected that brought."

[15:42]" Oh yeah we it was no it was a very very special time. -- if that's a -- is that is that we're still argued about it the writers literally and you know part of this is due to the -- and I know -- that what -- people liked boxing or love boxing in that era and prior. You know in the group glory days of Ali and Frazier and so on and so forth the heavyweight division. I have long been missing that that kind of atmosphere and that kind of match up and that kind of legitimacy. In the world of boxing yeah."

[16:13]" But -- because it wouldn't happen today I mean you hit it 2 lead just about me Ali fought on after the but Padilla. He US film title. At the end of the seventy he would you know you have a few more Chrysler real to -- verdict that. These guys moved right and took the stage. And the spotlight was on them throughout the decade for a number reason remember. I mean we have to Olympic boycotts during that decade and we had what three or four baseball strike three NFL work stoppages. It's like in plus. You know the Vietnam War was over before these guys started. We invaded Panama two weeks after they stop fighting in the first goal for through the next the next so and less than a -- time for the --"

[16:58]" was and he was a less than colorful champion music news and obviously very. Accomplish boxer and and it and a true champion in the sense that he fought people would beat them. But he wasn't exciting after that we had the Tyson era where it was just disgraceful and weird. So it's kind of like this whole boxing thing has gone people right now like bear and I wish it was well I wish you could come back to."

[17:19]" Is that what was great about about the the four guys and talking about now is is that these were these -- truly competitive fights I mean even. There there was one fight that I suppose you would you have to call mismatch than that was one oversized better which was was turns into ran right. In that was the only blow out of the punched in the other fights no matter you know whatever the result of these things. You could make a legitimate case before the first go. Right and that either guy I was going to win -- could sit there -- you -- wondering what was going to happen right it was a risk there was real suspense there that evenly matched."

[17:52]" And hers had you know Odyssey of the reach advantage while these guys. He is a long. And I don't know what is reach advantage was exactly inches but it was substantial loss at that wingspan with the seventies and ridiculous downs that you. And that helped him for what he lacked in -- or what have you is certainly open against Iran news. Short the short of for a shorter than the other guys and it would come right -- okay you have the perfect style and who is going to replace it was a bureau report the even that had its redeeming value to me. Because if you remember Corey and -- ran to become almost a joke after the no laws but I was that you just horse it was Dillon joked about it it -- at WWF bad guys yet and people credit."

[18:40]" People. Among all the explanations for -- there was this widespread perception. That he was a -- that that is this had been the active a coward. Now when he -- starting at Tommy. Almost narc him out in the first round dropped employees."

[18:58]" And."

[19:00]" They go back to the corner between rounds -- ran through there and I'm thinking and to -- about it. He has got to know what's coming next amused you have dislike of me and -- the departed score them. And he jumped off of that stool and you charged -- he charged into the ring after. And within a minute you know -- hit image means literally plowed face first into the campus that. But I knew that I could furcal then and what I wrote -- you know that that. The guy who got off that stool -- concerns the start that second round -- account was not and never had."

[19:35]" George Campbell wrote a book called four kings. Real lots of calls people want to talk. About the book with George we'll get right to that three of a quick break and flashier on Sports Radio planet Mike each."

[19:49]" Your back you're on the planet Mikey -- the Award winning that it -- June. Thanks for listening gotten dominated football committee wait a few minutes meanwhile George Campbell's former herald columnist writer of the book author of the book as a writer. CC that's why am not a writer. And author of the book for -- Now about Hagler. And hurts and Leonard. And Roberto Duran and a great book it is check it out. George has lots of calls coming to people Olson -- boxing Tony George W I I I used to love boxing. And what happened to be at the capital a lot of boxing fans were they just can't follow it they don't and partly unification there's no such thing with the alphabet soup. It's all over the place and nobody knows the names of the guys anymore and you know we all of."

[20:38]" Well and you know it's not just the sanctioning bodies but what's what's changed also is now you have guys you know you always had guys. Who were under contract promoters that. The promoters don't want their guys to fight another guy with a good options on and now you have. The data networks during the same thing and either guys that are under contract -- on the contrary to -- practice and I television in Britain. And they don't want. They're people played the other in losing to the other network well I think -- of main problem is Steve is the affordability of a paper view based on watching someone you don't northern area it's it's one thing we get a ridiculous when we're. I can understand for instance like. Oscar bill -- Manny pacquiao or which is going to be very interesting I can understand that being on paper view television but there are so important. That is absolutely absurd price of New -- paper human."

[21:29]" Right that it really is crazy and I do remember the year went. In -- now Lee you know you you watched it on film at the movie theater when -- got the chance to listen to on the radio -- that are or what that at the lines and closed circuit all you did yeah I area that was that's different too but again that's not. We're not there's no Mohammed a Leo their radio that's the proper calls -- the car next to Robert George dribbles that Paul."

[21:51]" I got a -- what are your great great Q -- I think talked -- fight -- that landed in I'd tell you some then. And I want to ask you this question perhaps they didn't and I hate. That -- championship. By has decided on rates."

[22:08]" Like a year two after that maybe two -- three years beat we got. You know Q do you can't spend stick it to -- and -- should -- eight."

[22:19]" I need him to pop when he took the I don't even know who I am so passionate about this that Hagler prospect by."

[22:27]" I mean -- he went to the should be amateur on them."

[22:35]" Did you notice how we're going to. -- I think there's no question he did more damage to my point was is that. -- with the judges the judges are not scoring deflated an entity to judge you're scoring judges scored each round. On its own."

[22:53]" What -- we did that point scoring system commitment. It took a huge -- yeah it would it would -- judgment call you had to beat me it knocked me out to take my."

[23:04]" I don't know this at this to be going -- for probably I think in Europe that's the the the idea of judges should come in I believe it was back in the twenties when it started originally there would be two judges in the referee would also score. Now that system. Didn't wasn't done away with probably -- Probably the mid seventies I think they were still scoring. The early seventies even that there there would be a run scoring refereed into scoring judges -- title --"

[23:33]" Well I'd think he'd give it my point RB Darren I mean I'd let did not say. To take that title from him yet he was awarded the win. Based on the course scoring system -- I -- not blaming you I'd get -- accurate about this right immediately. Had to do. Did you do --"

[23:52]" What are the judges are looking yet as the score each separate route. That the first criteria would be clean effective punching. And then affective aggression. If those two -- relatively. Equal or for its close to a -- Good defense comes into play to put -- the next operative quiz question in determining who went around is ring general ship. Who made who fight whose fight. Who got the other guy to do what he didn't want to do by doing what he did wondered you."

[24:25]" But yeah I ain't bad points but. Let me ask you -- I would say that had blow up there and let it right in spite but the majority outdoor lounge what ain't finished those who wound up. Given week but could tape to try to I don't know ultimately you -- really good."

[24:42]" A great fight his fighters break and how many. How many slugging exchanges that letter given to him and that might not very many."

[24:49]" Well two at the end he just put a combination of -- yeah."