[8:28] ..." surprised they'd gone through this offseason training camp. Convinced that Ricky Williams Ronnie Brown would give them some substance and and help prop up their their passing game with that lacking. And then you're still leaning"...

[9:22] ..." And how he approaches things at his young age compared to a JP Losman has done I'll go this far say that's. Losman. I think it's actually look and learn from watching this younger kid and"...

[12:48] ..." it's not the surfers guys it's it's boiling underneath. But -- Laveranues Coles. Issue with him. Being unhappy then that his good buddy trip -- get shipped off. And in -- there and and and"...

[15:39] ..." grown up as a team I think they've put the pieces together Marcus Stroud. As has become such. -- an incredible impact guy for them. And I didn't know that he could be wasn't sure could"...

[0:02]" Back yeah NHL beach low with the odd jobs Garrett and Freddy throws right back -- phone -- just a minute -- number 61777. Sides theory that the hated five U fives -- privilege. Usually each and every Thursday when. A -- or coaching a bye next for an R -- I'm sure I'll stop his that's awful. I -- about on the roster picture arguably is great -- stuff off first ball that wasn't even me there was somebody pretending to be me and personal with -- But the -- what happened and you staff Friday. But the -- all have felt how. Isn't on all the time since Mario. But I figured I had who has leverage it would go nobody bit network can act and Vick telling you if you are lucky enough that on a Tuesday watched Buffalo -- that the medical converted in this week the chip the world want to bird in the screamed out some. You could call you wouldn't. What do you look at my -- That's that this suggests that my -- going to be in Lambeau Field and and I -- him I was I was in as in Minneapolis last couple -- this season what's up with -- one and one Colts -- just or -- and -- seems like whenever you're reading that Saturday. Of Dallas -- will be coming back this week which is a -- it -- it -- he looked lost that first -- three quarters on on Sunday against -- Minnesota --"

[1:24]" Yes he did and you know you can really sense now off kilter everything is over there when you look. I spent some time in in the office of bill poll Lehman and he's got the point called GM's get the big grease board there with that the today my note -- With unbelievable threat -- I realize not on Fridays anyway that. It wonder whether it's -- the lineup but the team agreed to he's just going through and and he got to like a dozen names of regular players. Who who weren't playing for weren't -- of who we're playing for the team -- first points -- about lineup. And and just sort of you don't seeing where this team is now. Who says sympathy for the culturally nobody goes corner through nobody in Europe is exactly and there you go you keep you can't go down that road. Very -- but I think it makes the point that Manning. As a look like Manning and for obvious reasons I don't have. Manning without receivers. Then receivers and all Manning which is what we have here that's you and an inning that you took my next point that's exactly -- and I don't know exactly I think. I think as I said very few teams Buffalo had seventy guys I'm injured reserve last year. You know -- situation Goran in the ointment and you see the Colts and and and the team their -- in this week. I mean you -- your circle we circled this game right in the offseason Colts Jaguars they picked -- it's still. Still a big time game -- in in arguably one of the best or -- best if not better divisions. In the league AFC south. But it loses its luster -- to Jacksonville albeit open their offensive line -- garage not quite like you -- injuries of the story this and I think the lines that's on the -- that I was -- injuries the story of this early season obvious. While we get to thoughts. On I recessed Matt Cassel has performances didn't look like someone starts by school committee very very poised appearance on -- against the Jets. No question he hit -- enormous challenge I mean look at some quarterbacks in this league. Who who are overcoming a lot to it to try to do what they're doing one of them being Aaron Rodgers who will see Sunday night but. I don't know that any challenge would be or the next greatest challenges if it is an equal. Where is replacing Brett Favre is replacing Tom Brady and and under the circumstances. You know doing so when that was the last thing that was expected there was sort of this this long. Transition kind of going on green day or released through the summer and this came on so suddenly. So a guy. Holds that holds up pretty well I I still can't see make myself see this Patriots team. As the Patriots team -- I've known for -- I I I I tried but it but it specificity how else hopeless."

[4:09]" I'm back I try to before I got on the show I kept look at I try to work picture Brady over the Kona Hawaii until their head. Yeah I did everything apart and -- all the factors that work. Well."

[4:21]" It out and whatnot what do you hear the dirt around relief than joy reports on them count them on yep yep -- after. Of course every most of Tuesday I don't think he's going to be over the read the blitz and roll over. Have you heard any scuttlebutt through your sources that you feel like. That he's vulnerable of that situation definitely that is the sense I get from a lot of people like talk to and it hasn't changed even. And to know and seeing that you know this guy. Again relief victory in the I'm starting victory. And you would think you get a little credit. From a lot of from from people in general and and -- and the response I'm getting is. Talk to be one and he leads them to win. And they and every -- beat somebody and and you know they don't they don't even get the chance to beat somebody this week it's Miami the other great but. But if they don't. That that'll only. Raise the level of second guessing or it's not even that -- the race it's not second guess he raised the level of the I told you so factor why -- know -- the people would be our soldiers -- would mean that's it's so it's kind of Milan. It's -- it's like it's like. In the -- would long about we're hearing about the objectives of the coach and operated Brady's quarterback -- checked he will not looking at the big picture I don't -- team compliments. You know all three facets of the media about the for a special teams. And the quarterback and the coach -- again about my doctors to order -- Brady Cassell doesn't matter this Miami team with twenty races held up the Patriots -- that it it before but I think it's going to be. I think it's going to be the one game the year were there might be a law. While it and that's I guess that's the other thing that would we were back to. When you look at this Patriots team at least one I'd do I still have the highest regard for collar coach that still have the highest regard for other components that are in place. However it's that ability to have the knockout punch that thing that that they'd been built to do. From western this year that that's so different from there the previous Super Bowl run is -- what I don't know that they have and that's because of the guys quarterback now. But you're right maybe this weekend that opportunity is there just in the circumstance. Could create that based on what the Dolphins -- don't -- you know. When I say that to I would hasten -- I think the I think that's -- team. Is it more disciplined club. Then it had been in terms of how it's just perform the talent is in all there but I still think that the -- the partially -- Is is is counting for something. It's still it's stolen tow so I don't know how much is out four but I you don't do you guys agree there's something more there than -- a -- Dolphins."

[7:04]" This matter -- talent and they have Porter and they have. You know was outside of holidays holidays and have panicked and and they have all they had a crowd errors they got out along with playoff. So that it but it hasn't match I think when it matches are going to be decent team right now the getting beaten spot last week goggles. Through some bombs against some and hit him as a try to blitz -- it could be -- veteran that was looked to pass that beat him and yes yeah that's -- sane agenda and here's an and that."

[7:32]" Was part of at least from my standpoint what. Doesn't necessarily make the Patriots total record resonate so so well is the is that. Okay went win one is against the Chiefs and we saw them going -- to the remote pathetic teams in in Oakland. And then -- and then we see. The Jets barely escape against Miami you know how how good are you if you can barely escaped. If he can't escape against them what are that the numbers this week about the Dolphins that themselves that -- six for 25 on third down conversions -- that is -- And that and that speaks to their biggest issue which of course is quarterback. It's it's it's set -- defense is going to be Saturday as -- I mean they're -- now they're -- they're going to do the -- generally the right thing and I think spur on Tony soprano. Will will have some of the core elements although one of those elements had better be. More consistent running and and that I think that's where -- surprised they'd gone through this offseason training camp. Convinced that Ricky Williams Ronnie Brown would give them some substance and and help prop up their their passing game with that lacking. And then you're still leaning on marginal quarterbacking talent gets out of it Williams's -- raffia to carry and brown two point eight that's -- tomorrow. A decent run they're going to your coordinated but predicted predicted as a quarterback that if you're in the game you can dink and dunk yeah. Right now mortified at this juncture I would say an Edwards is the best quarterback in the AFC -- yeah who who would have thought -- his right that is completely. Amazing to me -- and it wouldn't be the case obviously if if if Brady -- but. It is true he's come into his own you could see a confidence level in this kid -- I always like -- and he's wrong there's such a difference between how he handles himself. And how he approaches things at his young age compared to a JP Losman has done I'll go this far say that's. Losman. I think it's actually look and learn from watching this younger kid and it's affected him he's -- he's changed some of his. Attitude and approach to things by by. This can rub off the Vick what about the Jets I mean what are we learn from them last week in these two weeks and when they go from here. Certainly people here expected them to be. Yeah I I think better than what we saw on the field last we will they be better as the season goes. I think what we've learned is is one of the things I suspected and that is the difficulty in getting. Brian Schottenheimer is offensive scheme to match -- Brett parts skills. They're there's there's going to be I don't know that there that there will ever won't be a disconnect here. Just because it is not as scheme that is comfortable for Favre and in when you really chart what Favre did for the better part sixteen years in Green Bay. It was very different than the type of thing that that Schottenheimer. Would run -- full package he's he's limited things and and that's hurting because he can't. Give him a full exporter of I think what he what he Schottenheimer feels is needed to take advantage of of that full talent. Around far but as far as Favre ability you know to get into those red. Goal line situations and have him handoff rather than throw. You know that is killing far and you know that it is an indication. That -- that this guy this coordinator in this team in and -- Mangini and -- to a great extent are fearful."

[10:56]" That it did the mistake is going to be but what would they bring a guy in Leicester going to pillow he can't disguise. Through forty years old would do the same technology. You hit. Change your good comedy game played really after the game and accommodate him he's going to do some great things. He's got to do a roll -- behind a back costs right spinning and historical someone who watched Marcus -- That play an extra that the maturity as usual there's."

[11:24]" You're you're out of -- you don't have to be. A packer fan or packer follower to know farms game you just described that in a nutshell -- you just have to follow football. And you've seen enough for this guy because the because of the exporters that he's gotten with that record -- But having said all that it's why IE. Did law of this whole transaction in the first place. Remember for the Packers standpoint it was just about getting him out of the conference it was not about getting himself where oh where his career could thrive -- yeah. Right and they didn't so they made the best trait they could make and and it's his and it's you know it is is as good a trade is to get a fourth that you become much better he does mark. But it but when you really boil it down. He its -- its a bad it is it is the square peg round hole."

[12:11]" was 3. It's who's the better defects is this is at Detroit. Oh this isn't Minnesota as a run defense -- on past events this is no the Patriots Miami -- good defense and bills bills are miracles are very defensed this is a higher grade of competition it's going to be more pressure on its we've been read the defense mark -- it has yet sort of come here is all smiles at -- but. In the game you're here I'm in the game in India it's let's from the same player last -- three run. Right the players like moments as an old enough -- an."

[12:41]" They see exactly -- they you do that you you do hit the other issue that I think is going to continue to at least Boyle if it's not the surfers guys it's it's boiling underneath. But -- Laveranues Coles. Issue with him. Being unhappy then that his good buddy trip -- get shipped off. And in -- there and and and ultimately farce or rivals the reason for that he's ever going to embrace Favre and and if you don't have that chemistry effect continues to lack. In a in a big way I mean are they got it is far to throw passes that this guy catches yes and in the course of the season I mean that's who's got to throw to. But I don't eat if you don't have that real special quarterback receiver connection that growing chemistry -- you."

[13:24]" You've got a problem. While you think though Favre is going to have if they lose either going to lose in San Diego this week maybe a closer game but I think the rumors and if they really get off to -- one and 52 when seventh start of subway that. As far mentally going to be able I know we talked about us in the past that -- of people. The most fans of war farms all you will be able to handle adversity -- they would have been handled you know Big Apple adversity be. Before -- if they go into a huge flop is -- to be able to handle. A depression it's going to be on it was a those stub born next week or two week you're back on you right at you bring up -- such a valid point he's going to -- because it's."

[14:00]" It's it's it is the unknown he's he's dealt with -- look the guys dealt with some serious adversity and we -- Goes go back to being killing thing we go back to his wife's. A breast cancer there there's from real life issues that this guy has dealt with. Anyway most passing away implying you know money -- almost things. I I give Brett. It's why it's a lot of reasons why we we generally like this guy or at least. Help this guy is something special. This is a different. Type of beast here this is a whole there's no comfort zone there he's he's come with -- I still think he's operating mostly in a vacuum. In terms of how well does he connect with the teammates how well this you really connect with this coaching staff. He's had to come in behind the eight ball without the fact that he didn't. And it was circumstance that the deal that. The deal happen when it happened but the fact he did not have -- whole offseason to really indoctrinated self into the office and get some kind of comfort going. Is is is making it I think it enormous challenge. -- in all and so many ways the obvious ways but also psychological ways and that's going to add to the Burton when he hears the criticism it says to himself. Yeah but you're not you're not realizing these other factors that are Goran you know like that as you know the media that's going to. Trendy image for the Jets are quicker brought -- very interesting the word could be a very subtle pretty good you don't get this on Friday. And -- and I was hoping that it would you obviously who's who's looked. I think it's the bills I really think it's the bills I think they've grown up as a team I think they've put the pieces together Marcus Stroud. As has become such. -- an incredible impact guy for them. And I didn't know that he could be wasn't sure could be I we knew what he was when he was at his best with Jeff's -- Fred he has arrived. Guys with -- he's yet this micro fracture ankle surgery. He's he's weathered it while they put him through a lot of testing. To be really sure of how he could hold up he's also not caring he's caring Trimmer body but he -- powerful. It I don't know what the bombers -- I'm just talking about my eyes eyeball test he's not he's he's not carrying a gut. He's he's looks pretty creative and and it well and but the thing is he can move he's penetrating he's collapsing things plus they move him around the -- standing up they've had a different you know they've done they've they've. Really pulled out a lot of the Patriot defensive playbook. Warren's out of field standing. Cup before apartheid they've had him outside inside. It and he -- he was just collapsing Seattle's front many did the same thing of course -- Jacksonville's lesser count their a lot of guys hurt but Kawika Mitchell. Is capitalizing this Paul was laws me. Who's healthy now only played a couple of games last year he see how -- and a balanced very. That you have ballots have been offered the offensive and ultimately it's good well the special teams are are playing and extremely high level they did it's gone down on side -- last week a little surprising. But I think Bobby April has this group. Playing as well as is I think they've played just in the court just watching him course two games. And you talk about balanced here's the thing -- Edwards sixteen pre season snaps okay and and he really needed the better part of I'd say. Three. Yet three fourths of the Seattle game. Or to have quarters of Seattle. To finish off his pre season and that and you could see he -- his groove then and he's important as Alex van -- likes to describe the quarterbacks coach for the bills. The put the ball right on the committee in in the way he's thrown. Connecting to Lee Evans who by the way you know wasn't embracing this guy last year -- it was a it was a big Losman guy and was all upset when Losman -- bench -- you know what looked -- along I'll and he wants a new contract and and he's embracing. The un -- or another review -- Art -- ledges or Ottawa I just COT I tricked I think that I -- the fight between -- yeah I think I think your right if you look at it if and and it is. A big FI will -- say that clearly what you're talking about. For the record towards -- team which the Patriots are and a total bills and and those the only two totals in that division. If there is any shift of power and and that chip doesn't occur until all want to until the Patriots lose. If they are going to lose. That is when I say I think that chip could go to Buffalo by the conversations that had the Jets and Mexico word word. Not currently has one thing -- Picture on. Of the opal blew. -- and nobody else they abuzz about bill I'll attract. -- I mean that's yet it's right an edited and right now Bill Belichick versus anyone is going to sound like that the -- catch you know were not just -- like -- notoriety by -- versus -- our way -- men one of -- play god no god but god what -- the hurricane -- that I think -- close -- current things -- what our game -- politics -- that at -- an -- the -- that question obviously is yes I take -- over any other coach. In the late well but I will say and and if that's if if that's what it comes down to a or if what you're telling me I think. -- realistic -- say -- pitcher Fred's close to English dictionary make it exciting usually go to San -- for average. Veteran. Good -- Everything that's -- proceeds go to if everything is equal to that which tell me everything is equal connect as Poland and Trent Edwards and everything else is equal. If the comes down to just the coaching yes you give you give culture -- not there's no question but -- I think is is a better coach and he's got credit for. And I make a little rude about not that big he's improving for -- yeah I'd all right well I he's got some -- it again. They're they're you can't you can't even we can even have a conversation about putting their bodies of work next to each. But -- will give I will say it's gotten better that does that mean though the equalizer is does that offset. Trent Edwards versus Matt Cassel right now in your best we have quite taken most who sat beside him taken."

[20:22]" Want to ask you are obviously Europe the marquee game for early season game which is going to be great one tonight Dallas agreed that we all remember that great classic last year in -- network where. While guard hurt Rochus comes off the bench and it was just a terrific game I expect more than what we're just Dallas traveling on the road after Monday night very emotional win over the Philadelphia Eagles. I like the Packers in this wanted to sweep this one topic but this should be a really I think I scoring -- very very entertaining game elected -- there."

[20:49]" It well at -- at a hotel right now. That area -- them back although I will be Obey orders that are. Please on Thursday -- a large it was -- just try to be outside the day before it was not on anymore I -- a couple of I then it didn't go to an extent it used to be Friday Friday I have to -- from my friend would -- put -- And at that you know. -- yeah the game yeah I I do see I do see it as very close very competitive route. Very similar to what we saw Monday night between them between the Eagles and Cowboys to some degree. An and Roger. Whatever the Packers through Rogers is going to airports I I think there's something special. There with this guy and it isn't just because. He I think he's legitimately good I think what he showed in Dallas last year this is the thing when he showed Dallas last year was really starting point. And gave us a clue. A lot of clues as to what he's about but this of course is the first start against Dallas and it's going to be different you know wade. Phillips and is Todd Grantham scheming. Differently now for guy who was in the three I think this will be his first start against the team with the 34 scheme so. That's that's a whole new concept form they're -- they're going to have things specifically designed to deal with a guy who moves in those things out of pocket but you know what he's got that that I think was was helping this transition -- he had that chemistry thing with his receivers. They did got through it muted you'll look at those other guys at the other team -- situations. There is no issue with Greg Jennings or or or Donald driver they or all along they weren't saying all of that we we can't discuss its corporate park they they were. They bought into this -- immediately. Vick now that and argue is apologized every man woman and child and ago. I saw the NFL words out of this is this something to be addressed in the offseason and one happens in the wake of of that Colin. I -- it I think it's going to be history. Treaty. As -- to see how this thing resolves itself. Because there's already a fraction that's that's formed the league office that basically says and amongst some lead tutors. Coaches are saying you know we've got to do something about this particular segment particularly the off as long as they're very sensitive to the back. That is it's it's if it's the threatening it would mean that threatens credibility. And and that threatened credibility and and basically when it came down to. Is a six dollar fifty -- whistle. Trump them all time million dollar investment technology -- right predict okay so though there were so but -- ever tell you this. I also and and spending some time with some competition committee members the last couple days talking compliment on. There's real concern there guys that anything that's done that you saw the memo that came out from commissioner Goodell regarding that hit the late hits -- about. You know the it's illegal it's out there warning teams the comments that now. While if you go back to slower Wessels as as one competition committee member said you're inviting. The possibility of a quarterback. Articles -- where the ball comes out of his grasp. And it starts bounce around it is beat what's the quarterbacks Boston though. Offer is not diving for that football card okay so you you've increased exposure to the to the marquee position so what I am that the answer to the question. Is that there will be. -- a real knock down drag out debate that will probably start somewhere in February when they have the first competition committee gathering -- February and carries. Through and and you know I I think there's some real. Focused it has to be part on this and he can't beat -- of ram routed through because it's because it's satisfies -- dissatisfied. By public but guys you also can't have a circumstance. Somehow you can. How to put this you have to have a better mechanism in place that's something that does undermine. The great investment in technology what you keep on on the technology wrote things like whistles that that are six dollars and fifty cents can't -- not real. What they care to a say okay let's."

[25:03]" Review it in reverse the whistle because now the that would like Pavlov dog but I. Plus when we -- every -- we celebrate would've global assault the -- stop -- train for that so good boy and over whistle and that's it let's review it while with a whistle -- but you don't know what would have happened because you can change -- is what's what's -- Edwards stopped you can't blow. It's over them."

[25:26]" Right equipment you also a citizen thing what -- Friday's -- it's shifted distinguish between. I was I think a better example but it hurt whistle is art agent Peterson is -- And you guys who were three guys thing about trying to pull down and looks like he's. Lost a little momentum but that he bursts out of that out of the book put the defenders -- grasp it keeps going sophomore and that. Area where he was slowing down a whistle blows out all right that's and it hurt because the guy the guy was still churning in moving. And then breaks out of it keeps going but you're going to blame the whistle for for the fact it was it wasn't the whistle that stopped the defenders it was a defenders who could handle him. His his momentum. So you've got that versus something very different which is. An open handed you know the -- about opening. Whatever works for a threw the ball well organized Dolphins doctors don't. If there while. But we're gonna knock the atmosphere of Communist the -- that -- that you keep playing after the whistle but there's a what -- guys and you know what's happening to right now and -- you see this in games what what's happening -- compiles it isn't so watch it isn't so much the guys. That are that are diving in to to make it took time you know passion into each other as the good guys go to the ground the ball. I see the cleanup -- you know guys come around -- now people who might go into the pile that's a I think that's happening it's watches anything else and I think that's even more dangerous because your your your attention is focused on -- and now someone's comment from your point side to blow you up."

[27:00]" before that you go wanting want to comment on two other coach in the league yeah tremendous amount of respect for Bill Belichick and coaches to in my -- Jeff Fisher and Mike Shanahan what he did. -- that two point conversion against the Chargers I wish more coaches would have the guts to do that I thought that was a tremendous tremendous call he defeated maker I thought it was. I thought it was the right call for the when I -- was going."

[27:19]" It was it impede you know it's agree it's always great call because it worked but having said that. I think it's reflective of his sense of security there too he's got a relationship. With pat -- contractually. And induced. I think there's a feeling that that goal and has given him years ago. That I've had bought her -- see these very words I was at the the Broncos training camp when he. -- this about -- this is my coach for life now that I've heard those statements being made in all the satellites Pittsburgh Jordan nobody's got us to win."

[27:53]" Tournament. Yeah it happened -- that was -- for what you're used to go before -- remarkable life. I I -- Ira Glass -- there are no fielded the Packers in the Cobb went -- NFL network and look forward to talk with the guys and on Thursday -- I'll spend the money the Thursday that should be for an -- then my next. -- you are in the great -- Via -- team on the -- work. On the on."

[28:21]" During the week -- the game is Alison Graham and watched it tonight that you know the regular while bonds aren't you back you know it is fast and those about the technology in the whistle from the technology. It's a great. Discussion of those balls who -- the baseball as does the -- so far down that technology further than any others. Baseball's just getting on the -- And this is where baseball analyst. Placed the plate. Foul balls once you -- me I don't hesitancy once you open door and technology like he's whistle screw up the technology. Baseball will let the umpire on the right screw up the tickets that are active right now people like other routes on the tape because -- threats are great team out before the picture it's excellent seventh that I'd rate -- You. Guys and girls were -- private workout all of while a compact a -- week."