[8:50] ..." in a -- if something happens and you know we've talked to Chris Simms -- we've talked to Tim retire we talked to Daunte Culpepper. He didn't visit by the way I'm just saying not just for example you do you're due diligence okay. Or was -- that they weren't that -- hammered of the person who was going to back up Tom Brady worked impression. They weren't sitting -- Saturday saying you know could happen here tomorrow we better get somebody in here. What's at that they just weren't comfortable with the fact that if if Brady did go down that Matt Cassel was -- well."...

[9:41] ..." that's almost ten years ago yeah. At this point in his career Matt Cassel is just as good if not better than Chris -- Chris Simms is not the same guy and everybody knows it. Consider this the Tampa bay a NC double -- the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Have four quarterbacks on their roster which is a lot. Most teams don't gold ninety and Chris Simms is not one of those four quarterbacks what do those quarterbacks is a guy you've never heard of named Josh Johnson. The other quarterbacks you've heard of obviously Jeff Garcia and Luke McCown Brian Brian greasy but Josh Johnson haven't heard up Chris Simms could not make. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Where Jon gruden is the head coach and he's a pretty damn good. Quarterbacks coach he has worked with many quarterbacks --"...

[15:13] ..." red tape and yes there teaching. Not because you want to replace Matt Cassel. But you're looking at the realities of life in the National Football League got forbid something happens to one. Down the road"...

[17:20] ..." So life is good for dark but think about this scarier than Matt Cassel. On vacation known."...

[17:31] ..." Even scarier than Matt Cassel. Starting games two through sixteen."...

[19:38] ..." can play not a bad situation to be -- 41 year starter. Matt Cassel I don't know if he can play he might be able to play anonymous and they might stick I don't know yeah"...

[21:41] ..." maybe the Patriots didn't like Tom Condon leaking to the media. That Chris Simms -- now as we present the Patriots leeward gate that the Patriots were where they can about signing him and and being"...

[0:00]" Well I will say this having now experienced it for myself. 95 point five FM and 95 point nine FM. Art to frequencies in southern -- our flame throwers. They can pick you up on their toaster at home with they want to now Michael -- I mean everybody from. From Augusta south can hear you fine I I talked a lot of people who were down from the bank or or no -- And they said it's -- and busters up in Bangor the folks in Maynor Barry happy to now be part of the WE yeah sports radio and."

[0:35]" Well let me make a deal with since you tell me about 95 point five and 95 point nine and 95 point nine in you have heard this for yourself you've had the pleasure -- the privilege of experienced -- it. And listening to the dale and Holley show I didn't hear -- I got here -- go to -- about this you know I do Virginia to show tomorrow with Felger and I'll listen and 95 point probably got a five point nine and you know hang out."

[1:01]" I -- it. Was very nice -- you do that."

[1:06]" Make that deal. -- okay. I don't want to say yesterday. I do want to apologize. To the listening audience. I'm not going to apologize for anyone else want to apologize to myself. Even though. Management forces us to work with people clearly don't have respect for the show or have respect for what we do. Clearly since management forces us to. Deal with people who throughout misinformation. As fact and celebrate themselves and pat themselves on the back. Even though that happens. It is our responsibility my responsibility. To be a professional. In not to lose my composure. Yesterday I lost my composure in the first half hour hour. Dale I left after the 1030 break. We're back to the office. My throat was sore. Throat sore it was on my getting sick. And then I realized that I'd been screaming. For about fourteen minutes straight try to screen for fourteen minutes straight."

[2:10]" and -- who -- well -- throat with soreness that I didn't realize. That I was that was yelling. For so long I I don't show I don't think that's enjoyable for anybody wouldn't want to listen to a it's how well. I wouldn't expect you listen to and I would listen to myself so I yeah I didn't hear it I hear about it Roger's head pro ball but -- looks up and Portland forearm that was. Send me at one point he said he says you know maybe -- neatly -- all now. I mean it does coming players develop there's a lot of folks who were there. As they were driving in to prepare for the nail on the wet there on the golf course a lot of folks heard the beginning of the Shell. -- deal about it but I didn't. Course but the time."

[2:58]" Yeah oh yeah we well we went back and forth for a long time. And and really couldn't seem to understand each other. I'm probably as much to blame as as he has. Because he didn't seemed to want to listen to what I had to say he had his agenda I have my agenda. I came in prepared for some madness and probably over prepared. For some madness and I got so it may be with the self fulfilling prophecy. So. My bad I perhaps you have to be better and I will be better."

[3:32]" Op -- you know I appreciate your your -- everything that I am feeling probably handled yourself reason probably a lot better than you're giving yourself credit for. The first half hour I thought I and that's sore throat. Tells at all well real quickly before we get into all the meat and potatoes in the stuff that we normally going to want to thank. Governor John ball not -- from the great state of Maine. I am I had the pleasure for the second straight year to be apart of the ball by chief Stanley. Paul ball Dutch he has one of the governors Brothers who passed away a few years ago they put the other race scholarship fund in his memory. At the University of Maine and raise money to send kids to school might not have the chance to go to college otherwise. So a lot of people down from the University of Maine and yesterday for the second year I had the pleasure and I mean that sincerely it. To -- a golf cart for a lot of hours a lot of -- hours yesterday with the governor of Maine and we we had a deal go on he could talk sports with me if I can talk politics with him and and we had a great time doing it. I've played with governor ball -- I've played with the legendary basketball coach at the University of -- skip -- no relation. He has -- not not not related to Dave Chappelle at all but he is a legend in the state of -- And Casey Jones. And -- and Casey had a great day yesterday with skip and Casey and the governor. And and I want to thank the ball back to family for allowing me the opportunity to -- for the second straight year and be part of it. We have a wonderful day yesterday although it was a little points for a big -- who won. We hit it and I mean at the you know -- the governor in heavy and all week so I'll pass laws so -- in -- case he was Hawks are -- this out he was the -- you have your regular and -- group Casey came alive. You know once the rain finally let up in case he wasn't quite so wet miserable. He just came alive and it was a scramble but he eagle on a par five all by himself. And he was he was our -- and by the way skip -- pretty good too but they with a two horses. And and you and the governor has -- we -- all hit Rockets. Back -- talked about Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and mullets and but we had -- we had a nice time in although it was a miserable day folks sable to bury. Pleasant experience. I got a chance to home for a night then you know listen to our radio station I checked into the hotel in Portland. Monday. -- hit the radio by. And the radio had already been -- Webber had been in the room before me -- sports news lyrics five point finally have -- I want -- I wanted to hear Belichick. And and I hit the button think and I'll I'll find the station it was already on. It's like atlas and they'll ballot check on the big show on now on Monday and and listened to him. Just won't."

[6:21]" They look what you wanted to hear Belichick UN everybody yeah and this is all. People want to talk about I don't know that's the case today but yesterday. And granted we didn't start talking about the Red Sox we didn't start off the top so the tone was set. With football. What the subject to own the content -- and the -- told -- of the program that's out in the first hour. But most people yesterday wanted to talk about base want to talk about football even though the Red Sox. Have come up with a pretty strong win over the Tampa bay rays so maybe that won't change today since the Red Sox lost that game in the ninth inning but. I still think there's some uncertainty. With people. They believe the Patriots they believe Bill Belichick but they just don't know. What to expect expect from Matt -- He can be great he can be the next Tony Romo I doubt he's going to be the next Tom Brady. He could be it shouldn't go to -- in a that they will be one day he could be the next. -- struck. Don't know who is. What morals but there is. An entry in finding out. What we're going to see from -- yeah."

[7:36]" I gotta be honest to India I am I am somewhat baffled. By the -- back -- quarterback not. Not resurrecting. When I have a feeling was yesterday's. That's what I mean at all here's here's the point I'm talking about. Bill Belichick. You know played little semantic games with -- everybody on -- okay. Now he was technically correct they had not worked -- despite what you read we haven't worked out any quarterbacks. He was sort of play and fast and loose with the truth he had he had both the men. The fact that they didn't work out he was right -- technically. Right was correct he was playing fast and loose with the the truth of the matter is that they were both in there and both. -- somebody talked and he said he didn't but somebody presumably Scott pioli did it. Not -- show after reports. That these visits for -- today were not in reaction to what happened Sunday afternoon excellent -- and apparently were planned on Saturday. Faster now you'd get. But would be a very legitimate question is this the normal due diligence process. You know let's let's make sure we know who the quarterbacks who are available are out there let's. You know let's make sure we've got our ducks in a -- if something happens and you know we've talked to Chris Simms -- we've talked to Tim retire we talked to Daunte Culpepper. He didn't visit by the way I'm just saying not just for example you do you're due diligence okay. Or was -- that they weren't that -- hammered of the person who was going to back up Tom Brady worked impression. They weren't sitting -- Saturday saying you know could happen here tomorrow we better get somebody in here. What's at that they just weren't comfortable with the fact that if if Brady did go down that Matt Cassel was -- well."

[9:20]" I I can tell you DL I think it is them it is a matter of doing. Due diligence of -- as -- to Michael Felger yesterday. Just pointing this out. At this point of his career. As little as we've seen from Matt -- guy who hasn't started a game any game at any level. And almost ten and universal right that's almost ten years ago yeah. At this point in his career Matt Cassel is just as good if not better than Chris -- Chris Simms is not the same guy and everybody knows it. Consider this the Tampa bay a NC double -- the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Have four quarterbacks on their roster which is a lot. Most teams don't gold ninety and Chris Simms is not one of those four quarterbacks what do those quarterbacks is a guy you've never heard of named Josh Johnson. The other quarterbacks you've heard of obviously Jeff Garcia and Luke McCown Brian Brian greasy but Josh Johnson haven't heard up Chris Simms could not make. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Where Jon gruden is the head coach and he's a pretty damn good. Quarterbacks coach he has worked with many quarterbacks -- and done some good things with -- he -- the guy who can resuscitate your career. So. The Patriots are not crazy enough to think. That Chris and somehow they can bring back Chris stands and have him beat Tom Brady's backup quarterback. And also this is important. The Patriots work -- players all all the time sometimes they work out players because they're dissatisfied with somebody on the practice squad or on the on the roster. I have to just work our guys they worked out. Ten to fifteen receivers in the past couple weeks and I think they're pretty happy with the receiving."

[11:00]" I understand your point but but and I'll just ask your opinion -- I don't all the -- when -- down their receipt wouldn't work out or not we think it's unusual but they have quarterbacks and I don't normal course of events over the course the last 67 years do you think they have had quarterbacks and yes relic and I just can't."

[11:19]" Actually they've -- a quarterback. And let's see you working on a lot of guys -- are -- working out. You know seven running backs -- you really like a guy what that means is a bit in your practice score. I don't work somebody out especially after the season has begun -- not going to work somebody out and and put them on your roster -- if you weren't happy with Matt -- or Kevin O'Connell the kid was -- be good one day but probably -- a year or two from being ready. You're not happy with those guys you know it. In the pre season and what you do is you take a fifth round pick or sixth round pick. And before Chris Sampson is that your guy for example before it gets cut. You try to --"

[12:01]" Well we'll -- amend the question in this regard do you think that they've made it. I understand that they may have had you know some young undrafted. Unheralded quarterback in year. You maybe disguise better than our third quarterback I I understand that do you think that they have a normal as a normal course of events. Had. Previous starting NFL quarterbacks in here working out. I mean when when they go out and grabbed Vinny. Isn't working out and yeah exactly game physical on this I don't well an in that case I mean you don't have to work out Vinny you don't work out that the -- including. But you probably do have to work out Chris sense because it had players like sims and retain year. Over the last few years as a normal course of events because my guess is it's pretty mutual."

[12:46]" I don't think it's unusual given one who they are now. I mean you're talking about Chris -- 2005. It would be unusual. To bring a guy like that in -- and retired aren't. Yes I thought even with the Patriots knocked about right -- those players are now coming now -- without -- without ruptured spleen it changed him as a player and and -- that's not a criticism. -- he plays a a demanding sport. A demanding position that happens to you know of course. -- put -- perspective Tom Brady's injury -- season threatening in season -- like -- was like -- that -- serious -- this is a ruptured -- which can -- And and you know they remove his spleen and I remember reading stuff out of Tampa there were still questions about all. What happens if he -- like that again right you know what what do they do if if if god forbid he takes another shot like that."

[13:39]" And they've they've been fascinated with tamarine today for a long time today. He's one of the guys -- the late Dick grapevine let that that was one of his assignments find us a number two quarterback Drew Bledsoe obviously -- some place. -- he went to Ann Arbor to check out. Tom Brady went to Louisiana to check out -- today and he said both of these guys can help us but I really like Tom Brady in the by the pick Brady. So. But that was a while ago. Are are they in three Super Bowl logo and an eight years ago right is is. Tempered today. Still a guy. Who the Patriots feel can help them at any level number two number three quarterback because it's not going to be the number one quarterback number one quarterback here. It's not as is --"

[14:25]" Well let me ask you another conjecture question and again we're just giving opinions here because we don't have facts to base it on but but. Do you think. When when you look at the quarterback situation here do you think they feel. That while he's the most competent right now to dubious. You know that you can't get a guy ready to play quarterback for you know week. Probably not two weeks probably not three weeks right short guy who's not in your system human right I tonight -- outside -- I don't know where -- Rams. You know you can bring Gutierrez back here and they may well by this weekend yeah I would think I would think you're you'd taken -- real chance I'd be surprised -- I'm back quarterback somehow. So so you do that you bring guys in and let's say retain for the sake of argument has since signed with Tennessee you bring a guy like red tape and yes there teaching. Not because you want to replace Matt Cassel. But you're looking at the realities of life in the National Football League got forbid something happens to one. Down the road nor -- you comfortable with Kevin O'Connell being your starting quarterback. Not forbid something happens Sunday. We just horrible one blue kit can do I mean god forbid he twist an ankle Lee takes a helmet under the chin gets days. I mean Kevin O'Connell your quarterback Sunday."

[15:41]" That's the -- yeah as you said not surprise all the packer quarterback talk. In general I'm in specifically where we're concerned about the backup quarterback because the backup quarterback is now the starting quarterback and so. Now you you're trying to figure out what does this mean that he's he's starting quarterback in general. You want your back quarterback you have that guy there because. You want him to get you through as a scout that was they just get us through it can he get us through again. Can't get us through three games. Three or four games is generally the maximum when you're when you're talking about your backup quarterback being the starter for the season. Is usually very problematic that problem. Okay now. Where are ready at that second level that no where where nobody wants to be -- at the place no one wants to be. Back -- quarterback I've made it to New Year's -- game to your backup quarterback is the starter going for. That's scary. Because -- the unknown."

[16:39]" And by the way it would be scary in any city don't tell me how good you think Todd Collins is or how good you think Jim Sorgi is. In any city in the NFL game -- if you -- game two. And Todd Collins is your quarterback for the rest of the year or -- your quarterback for the rest of the year. Or or match job or whoever you want to act even Trent Green press at this stage of his career you would be you would be feeling. Similar to what Patriots are feeling right now as -- boy."

[17:08]" Okay okay that's scary but I takes -- an even scarier trying to depression here. You seemed to be a good mood he just got back from Maine you're hanging out with the governor you heard WEEI. And asked them. So life is good for dark but think about this scarier than Matt Cassel. On vacation known."

[17:27]" Okay I didn't."

[17:31]" Even scarier than Matt Cassel. Starting games two through sixteen."

[17:38]" gets hurt. That's the point it was yeah I mean my outlook that's scary her all of a sudden Matt Capps takes a helmet on the knee on Sunday. Where you. I read your backup quarterback guys some at that point Kevin O'Connell starter. So Randy Moss is your back up -- people around Moss or Kevin walker you know that all of a sudden you're back up quarterback short term. And you try to get maybe not one guy in year but two guys I think yours -- and."

[18:08]" Yeah I mean there there -- a lot of questions there there's a lot of uncertainty. And like like any backup quarterback. That we've never seen before. You know you just throw out. You'd you'd throw out your opinions based on some. Little glamour you saw somewhere maybe you saw. The way he handled himself in the huddle and he said while like the way he commanded the -- maybe. You look at that play on third down. When he got the ball at its -- two. And was backed up by it in on injured bird or six inches and still got the team out of that and then eventually led to a touchdown maybe you're impressed with the way. He threw the ball Randy Moss and the chemistry had but the bottom of in his. You have no idea what to expect from the back of quarterback but with that said if you do have a backup we don't know about. What you want is to put him in a good situation. I argued a couple examples. Even -- Aaron Rodgers is not the -- green -- a starter but. He's never started before and in the National Football League until this year. And I thought if -- Aaron Rodgers. This is a pretty good situation for you if you can play a little bit because if you can play. You got Greg Jennings and got Donald driver and got Ryan Grant you got a head coach who believes in you got a pretty good offensive line. Got a team that went thirteen to three last year if you can play not a bad situation to be -- 41 year starter. Matt Cassel I don't know if he can play he might be able to play anonymous and they might stick I don't know yeah but. If your quarterback. This is a pretty good situation for tell me a team the National Football League. It has more good. Has more quality running backs. That the Patriots enter your team has. Two good running back a couple of those Jacksonville would would Jones Drew -- and and Taylor. Minnesota with Chester Taylor and Adrian Peterson. Atlanta would Jerious Norwood your boy Michael Turner. They're some they're some teams have two very good exceptional backs Dallas Felix Jones -- rookie. But you talk about Laurence Maroney Sammy Morris Kevin Faulk LaMont Jordan. I Heath Evans in -- pretty good backs yeah. And he got Randy Moss and as general Wes Welker if he can play it's a pretty good situation if we candidate to make -- different --"

[20:43]" One final conjecture and and again misses were just guessing here 'cause we don't know but one final conjecture before we go to the break. Why would -- bring Simms in Italian. Look. You talked to him I mean somebody did again bill said he didn't but presumably means Scott pioli talked. Go through all the hassle fly and -- appear. And talk until I mean to pick of the wrong answer to a question somewhere that you know some buzzer went off on Scott pioli -- out it doesn't work out."

[21:12]" I think they gave the wrong answer to a question I can't speak for today I think in the case -- I think he was upon. In a any chess game and very hot style chess game. Between the Patriots and Tom Condon who is agent Tom -- Is one of those guys who can get under your skin every now and then I think players like him because he. You know he's he's a tough guy he's got a hold out -- that last dollar. And maybe the Patriots didn't like Tom Condon leaking to the media. That Chris Simms -- now as we present the Patriots leeward gate that the Patriots were where they can about signing him and and being an opportunist. Dropping that information. Right around the time that we find out that Tom Brady's going to be out for the season."

[22:01]" I'd even if -- grant -- so likely only that was probably guns broke I don't know what happened with him with habitat just don't figure it out I mean beauty shop and say. Scott it hurts when I do tennis -- the throwing arm and Scott have that. Okay thanks for coming here we know can we get your -- open for the car right back to the airport until he joked that -- and I laugh like you know right here in my about it but it does."