[0:00] ..." Every Tuesday at this time. We make connections with -- our baseball insider from fox sports. Foxsports.com and the fox baseball package joining us now on the AT&T hotline is Ken Rosenthal they -- you"...

[1:36] ..." are many guys in the history of baseball who have won consecutive World Series titles from about managers. Or not considered great were very good you know gassed and is not considered great -- very good"...

[2:15] ..." managers throughout even a good team like that. And one of Terry Francona restraints with the Red Sox is that he doesn't screw it up in in the way he. Sure he manages he does we need to do but there is real skill to getting the most out of the good. Ask where there's -- in New York Mets -- So it was a bad rap for quite understood quite get another chance but here it is in 64. From everything"...

[5:58] ..." He has he has won as many World Series titles as Terry Francona. I don't buy. -- our -- are so you don't have to so let me get this make you. Okay you don't have to do what you have to win -- World Series to be considered great or is it. What what what makes a good -- I guess I didn't plan ask you this"...

[7:04] ..." as good. That's why am reluctant to say hey this -- World Series title by that Bobby Cox great example. One World Series title now. He perhaps -- want. But the fact is those fourteen straight division titles decline."...

[11:09] ..." it is at -- that. This team which most of us the World Series they've had real issue which was. In the question I have is who starts game one of post season series to put"...

[23:18] ..." on his team. Sammy -- EC split the post season MBB the World Series MVP with Randy Johnson. He's on the same staff as Pedro Martinez is on the didn't he -- but now what you're"...

[0:00]" Every Tuesday at this time. We make connections with -- our baseball insider from fox sports. Foxsports.com and the fox baseball package joining us now on the AT&T hotline is Ken Rosenthal they -- you know. I'm doing very well thank you I'll do any good to hear from him and I -- AM we both like JP rich RD a lot of Massachusetts guys yeah hockey fan good guy all around. Much longer going to half for the his job with these higher people like pseudo gassed in the -- manager."

[0:33]" Well first question is did he actually -- what was that made and while I cannot prove anything. It certainly appears that it was made -- game that would indicate that GP is authority rapidly in it would the real problem for him obviously been that type of situation. Best people about this I've been told no -- there was JP he's guy but still there -- of people say the opposite. These great questions. I don't know -- think that he would be fired during -- it's certainly possible. But if this team is not round have to be control think in the off season because. Going back to -- rate which is his second year at a 52 in ought hero -- sixty. Since then if you double the payroll and really can't say it any better off there were."

[1:36]" Well can there are many guys in the history of baseball who have won consecutive World Series titles from about managers. Or not considered great were very good you know gassed and is not considered great -- very good why."

[1:50]" Like on another reason that. At that time the perception was and perception accurate. That he was more caretaker for the team so talented remember now on Carter and when they had. That they can ovals on the -- I never thought that would spare in fact it is not because we've seen many top. -- managers throughout even a good team like that. And one of Terry Francona restraints with the Red Sox is that he doesn't screw it up in in the way he. Sure he manages he does we need to do but there is real skill to getting the most out of the good. Ask where there's -- in New York Mets -- So it was a bad rap for quite understood quite get another chance but here it is in 64. From everything you read he is in really good shape gained. -- had a heart procedure few months back. He seems to be kind of rejuvenated here and it'll be really think to see how he fares. I'm very skeptical this simply because you'd been out ten years. That's really hard thing to come back from went out that -- out of Bob gave the bases and suddenly. Thrust back into that team without knowing the players but -- in its special thing if you can do it again."

[3:19]" As we know -- and some guys are so good with the media they can be good managers and they are seeing is great managers because. They have guys take care of them guys who say oh man this guys so Bryan does some things behind the scenes. -- single gassed in one of those guys is part of the problem. He and maybe Iraq used to strong but maybe and and different relationship with members of the --"

[3:47]" Michael you know what I don't know the -- that haven't been around much he's been out. Quite awhile and it was an Orioles beat writer Tom while it was. So the only thing I remember writing about it as but he didn't use like -- seen in the 93 all star game. And I -- that that was kind of -- consequential. I really kicking your parents has his relationship with the media I'd never heard it was bad gained. Perhaps you know not -- to some managers are. But I would dispute what you're saying about. Certain guys get a better break in the media because they're good with reporters I think those these largely on. Managers judged I would did you have achieved -- and not because there is that's."

[4:40]" When that would that those days leave. We're what we're really wasn't I don't know sort of resurgent."

[4:48]" I think one thing that's happened Michael this statistical guys don't go on the club out. They -- from a detached perspective and they could care less. Is nice guy who's and I also believe that the guys covered -- regular basis in oral. It's such a competitive environment now both media -- in in the game that. That you Communists of the past. I don't know by issue any points with media and in fact. Said that I was taken back in my opinion example of that because I don't know that there is one right now if you could pick one up happening here."

[5:29]" Okay I'll talk about this I don't know -- you. Joe -- ago when but I like Joe -- so -- pick on him and I gotta protect my own guy here public Tony La Russa."

[5:41]" it is not a great relationship but a lot of people on the media and it's okay. But I couldn't it was a pretty good and no matter how each each writers good bad or indifferent. Anyone who doesn't -- that is kind of --"

[5:58]" He has he has won as many World Series titles as Terry Francona. I don't buy. -- our -- are so you don't have to so let me get this make you. Okay you don't have to do what you have to win -- World Series to be considered great or is it. What what what makes a good -- I guess I didn't plan ask you this but now not Q now you've peaked my interest would think makes the manager."

[6:22]" My number one criteria which Russa it's it's -- Is an ability to keep his team playing part to the record does that. Torre for the most part is done. Game he obviously quite clearly with cars that do that. Joe Madden does very well as well now you can measure guys post season. Series win but. We all know that. When he in the post it is somewhat more random than doing in the -- losing -- first ones best of five. Two best players are hurt you best pitchers ever -- and not going to be as good. That's why am reluctant to say hey this -- World Series title by that Bobby Cox great example. One World Series title now. He perhaps -- want. But the fact is those fourteen straight division titles decline."

[7:24]" Want to go back to something that you wrote senior in your latest column on foxsports.com. And it was kind of and amusing look on the part of Kevin Youkilis and David Ortiz. At Sports Illustrated latest overrated and underrated rankings they -- players in Major League Baseball. Kevin Youkilis was called the fifth most overrated player. In the American League something that Ortiz took exception to. And I kind of curious what the players are looking out myself when the guy goes a year between errors defensively at first. And performs offensively as well what were they talking about."

[7:59]" No idea dale and I took great pleasure on Friday when mr. Ortiz a -- to be. It started give me grief about this -- at L not the writers -- is that the players. Any thought and I think as well then it's jealousy. That the money in the case that Jeter in era eyes so that that players jealous. Can't he tested here or players that are like -- Bought in jealousy. Fact that there on -- deal of time talked about all the time and players perhaps the if we -- to understand what it. He is really good player pulled up and indeed -- and as you hit it in the of this. Volleyed them there than it ever -- in dollar player be overrated and it's true so. It was more amusing things back -- that you guys. I prepare something for the broadcast on this just whatever pace. And Tom Brown and culture which -- well. They were so disgusted by the -- that they want to talk about it even in that well you know what I understand he says the -- that."

[9:20]" All of what you brought up an interest in point where Ortiz was coming to Derek Jeter's defense for instance you pointed out that the players might not be that far off. And and in in mind numbing statistic. They might try Derek Jeter's OP yes. Is basically the same as Julio Lugo is right now."

[9:38]" That don't enjoy the it's now up Jeter at the hands up. It's kind of went out after that though he probably deserves ounce -- hurt. But at the same time numbers are now. He's not hit for power before or after that. You have to wonder exactly where is in yeah I just couldn't believe that I just looked up the opiates -- And I do this -- the time just you guys are actually call corporate right now group to. And -- Jeter because the perception of this he. Defensively especially but also offensively is not a."

[10:20]" How how people out throughout Major League baseball's the Lugo I have I've asked this question before about Coco Crisp. Now what I really want to know about Lugo because we don't get it here we don't get the Red Sox obsession with Lugo but maybe. We're missing this phrase that exists throughout Major League Baseball."

[10:39]" No you're not missing. Michael and there's -- session. On the Red Sox part ago but there -- contract. Well out there yeah there was signing I guess they are pretty up and shortstop to do some things speed but the problem. Next year and the year after. While we all did great read our depth it is at -- that. This team which most of us the World Series they've had real issue which was. In the question I have is who starts game one of post season series to put Lugo out there. Probably going to have no choice. There's Cora but Cora is steps forward used to be out of -- solution. There's get Larry but just Lowry not anything quote from major leaguer and I don't -- established himself that have to get to the point we trust the Webster's at shortstop. Someone mentioned yesterday even -- if the Blue Jays all around -- certain players. It but in -- the issue Lugo and also next time the players so. You look at the whole picture here actually disturbance in the -- that's perspective can overcome a short. They largely overcame that last year but Lugo wasn't used this bat."

[12:16]" in today's Providence journal writes of the premise. That -- may be in the market for starting pitcher before the trade deadline and he talks about some of the names who will likely be available CC sabathia Rich Harden. Erik Bedard young guys of that ilk. Do you agree eight that this that the Red Sox may be in the market if they work would you like them there. Turner an eye towards."

[12:40]" Yes I think they will be in the market at least from the standpoint monitoring it and make sure that. But you know. That they think might have you dealt well -- want to make sure that if they get a guide for these rights that although that possibility. There are not him and will be. Part because the Yankees are -- that game works but. There is some logic to suggest that the active for the Red Sox or any other team. People say oh my gosh -- tree top prospects. We started to -- region in the year we all understand that argument. We don't know that teams value players like never before been used -- think. It is the Red Sox trade prospects sabathia. You'd have him for the rest of the season and the post these. If he's free agent which as soon as they discussion of the Red Sox -- want -- that. Well that happens in these -- to draft picks in the draft takes. -- while -- proven prospects certainly not to think or either in the Red Sox. Value that I would offer -- would be which certainly take that generation for Bedard. It's a different story he's signed next year I would not -- that time off to not attend. He has issues that the media not be -- I stretch the imagination and -- real questions about its. Which are fascinating thought but the injury questions certainly is a book for awhile. And then Burnett. They're -- really I don't think high level so they're all these options out there did you think it was sport these options they should. They -- better than Jon Lester in the two spot."

[14:51]" I can't let let's pretend that. The package for Johan Santana was a nine the package that the Mets gave the twins to get Santana. What's that rating going to be four. CC sabathia --"

[15:07]" My good apples and oranges okay is it and a Mateen had acquired it was going to negotiate longterm deal -- condition of the trade yet the -- gained. In order for that that happens there going to have to get a bigger return. So you have that bigger return. You factor all this in with about yeah. Potential creation two months' rent or remote -- it's much right."

[15:37]" So what what are we talking about here for the Red Sox for example is not going to cost you Justin Masterson. To get CC sabathia."

[15:44]" There might by threats that were necessary -- that right I would think if I were the Indians I would want. Masters in perhaps someone like all. Perhaps another prospect as well they would ask for a high price and keep my competitive fire. You have a number of teams that. Can look at that as an option. That would that necessarily look at it at -- option because they could -- ripped the brewers. I don't want to read about it but they could do it at the prospect book yet. Which costs in financial terms would be that it sort a couple of months. So there's a greater cup -- here forced to bat yet. But the price will be lower than what."

[16:34]" And just -- just the final point there isn't realistic if the Indians. Went into the Yankees and said look we have a lot of competition for sabathia so it's going to take Phil Hughes and and a couple of mid level prospects."

[16:47]" They may indeed -- expect that would probably destroyed. In all these teams have to decide though at what point is it worked out it's beauty yet. The price two point eight he'd be great Red Sox if you'll -- mind that you won't. But there are physical questions with him because side. Other things as well let's -- the you'd say okay we predicament but -- just to the two month period but do we have here and -- decide. We want to keep -- long term deal is not the that the two draft expect so it might be more. Tolerable for them to pay a higher price though we've certainly seen from them enough. Squawking in balking about giving up prospects to make you wonders there even be that heavily involved."

[18:04]" If Curt Schilling has indeed thrown his last Major League pitch big if but it that if that's the case. Are his 216 lifetime wins boosted enough by his post season record to consider him for Cooperstown."

[18:20]" It's strong consideration question is does it and I victory yet at this moment without having to make this call or five years now perhaps even more. -- things I'd like eventually I'd suppose these record witches which is strike out rate strikeout to walk ratio. In all the -- in total is great to make the case the catfish hunter I. Who had similar win total proposed these -- cy young tactic by. There are all Sabres to Schilling is comparable. Well Jack Morris to his two people wins out Bert Blyleven 286 what you're talking about the profile here. As a head of the protest that -- like actually profile is -- usual. He has resin made that would not look very despite what adjustments if not for the post -- But how do you what he's in also -- the whole thing. He did. His best work at a time in the spotlight shining. Most intensely he became famous for. And -- they've put mediocre players in just is that it but he not a media player -- they in the polls the to me it's close as planned out our first bout most likely but I --"

[19:53]" Well let this is a great opportunity to delve into the mind of -- Hall of Fame -- here so let me. They make -- get this -- let's put him on this on the split screen I'll go -- by guide just to -- cure your take -- Curt Schilling. Verses Bert Blyleven did you vote for Blyleven."

[20:14]" And eventually I came around and I you vote for him now."

[20:17]" Okay so if you can vote for 1287 for Blyleven regular season. Didn't happen didn't have that spark in post season record part of that is. Play for some bad teams. Blyleven versus Schilling who gets that one vote for you."

[20:34]" baseball president executive without after its mystical."

[20:37]" I -- he's got to play in the game -- around -- at a game. I would say hey. But I -- While how about that Tiant Tiant versus Schilling -- why not let it what were -- baseball -- I'm out I don't understand him he has he has a great case. Any -- dismissed."

[21:05]" Well but it was look at the numbers while were on the line here it's mister Wright and certainly had an impressive career but. Is that."

[21:15]" As much as we talk about Bob Gibson's 1960s he's well what's -- at 112 ER a second take a look at that he -- 96 I."

[21:23]" 229 -- short territory three point three easier ERA which in that era was not at the presidential report which it. And I just don't know that he stood out the way also show during that period."

[21:39]" He stands out as much -- I got I don't feel more a more regular season wins I actually less reiterate it."

[21:51]" wins and at -- thirteen more thirteen more wins. Yeah he's also will 11 in two out three in a lifetime in the post season."

[22:01]" It's a different got -- Different caddie -- I just felt you know all of them."

[22:06]" Okay Ann and Jack Morris versus Schilling one vote."

[22:10]" my problem is very clear three point nine earlier and that would be the highest all by quite a margin. And I you'd think there's standard have to Hutu and let him in over the standard for others future. I know the argument -- Morris is well he was about when he eat out ERA but I don't buy it. Part of all paper involved -- And while he has posted do it was one of the -- moment of all time. Need that year rate is something that just prevents me."

[22:46]" I love you original and and I loved baseball writers' Hall of Fame voters but I'll I'll argue that there is no standards we just said. You just said."

[22:56]" But Michael Jordan's worst and I was RA says hey baby Jack -- and after I think as a voter. --"

[23:05]" We'll see you just said a part of the that the criteria is dominance like you can argue that Curt Schilling. Was very rarely talk at the post season numbers he was very rarely the lone dominant guy on his team. Sammy -- EC split the post season MBB the World Series MVP with Randy Johnson. He's on the same staff as Pedro Martinez is on the didn't he -- but now what you're saying. He's got it has he been dominant he's been dominant in the post season hasn't been dominant throughout his career."

[23:36]" On those days when he pitched the post season. -- out of help to step on opening."

[23:42]" Who lives only to Martina best pitcher on that staff. Who -- upholstery okay who is the best pitcher in 2007 on the record."

[23:53]" Certainly was actually no respect but on the days Schilling pitched his individual performances there wrap them so happy you're argument. He penalizes is Josh Beckett was better."

[24:04]" I understand what I wouldn't use them that the word dominant. To me brings to mind."

[24:11]" He's thirteenth all time strikeout rate. That's pretty dominant."

[24:16]" He was dominant strikes -- equipment that you didn't hit it didn't walk guys -- just think it's amazing. That you would play. Jack Hewitt that Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame before Jack Morris Bert Blyleven and -- I I think that's outrageous. I don't I don't hold a total."

[24:39]" amusing from -- here is is -- giving you a hard time about a -- your lack of criteria. But he doesn't seem to have anything more than got -- not."

[24:47]" And let it doesn't think. It if if -- about voting for the Hall of Fame. I would be able to give you my my five or six I'd I'd be able to give -- standard that you didn't ask questions on who happen to have all I'm saying you hadn't."

[25:00]" I had my number one. First of all."

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