[1:24] ..." waffling and just say right. I don't care what you -- anymore Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback and seems like they took that position. The day his tears dried after that press conference finally dried. You"...

[3:56] ..." understand that you just want to move -- the ball Aaron Rodgers right the common sense is this. This guy is good enough to be one of the top fifteen quarterbacks top sixteen. Quarterbacks"...

[5:20] ..." this old dog new trick but what are you -- to teach Aaron Rodgers. Is Aaron -- going to get you to that point if you if you say last year police don't really say yes or no okay and you I mean he's going to go out their legs like me the story can it is very unlikely that Aaron Rodgers is going to get them to NFC championship game in his first year as a starter. Without a home game. That game"...

[6:05] ..." game in Green -- I don't think though although I don't think Aaron Rodgers is going to get an NFC championship game I think you'll have a shaky start. And a pretty good finish up to"...

[7:56] ..." at this point is better than Kellen Clemens in New York. And Chad Pennington in New York. If he would not to get the New York Jets. A division title now. I don't think you I"...

[12:39] ..." don't necessarily 34 personnel that I need. So he's getting rid of Dewayne Robertson he's getting rid of Jonathan Vilma. Now he's trying to bring and Calvin Pace he's trying he's she's trapped in Vernon Gholston."...

[14:48] ..." the offensive line that they they -- and all the beat the Damien Woody. -- Faneca -- I'm gonna go back maybe it would be that name roll up David what regularly matchup for all this"...

[15:52] ..." say this this far trade. Opens up something interesting for Chad Pennington and the rest of the AFC's number. Felt Dickerson talking about Chad Pennington how he might be good back quarterback for the Patriots. I don't think Japanese in the going to be back quarterback pay I'm Chad Pennington. I see a match I see you match for me you can get your revenge if you want. You can get a"...

[16:46] ..." he's perfect capsule this is this is -- tailor made situation for Chad Pennington at this point of his career. It might be nice -- it's a great idea of imagining him at the back --"...

[0:00]" Were you surprised last night when Jay Glazer who will be on the show today at some point we don't know wake is Jay Glazer -- a mover and shaker the guy gets up at 5 o'clock in the morning. Makes 500 phone calls before ten. So he's in Carolina today or he's with the Carolina Panthers had no holidays going to shake out you will be with that at some point he broke the story -- far. Going to the Jets when we surprise when you heard that last night."

[0:25]" I was a little surprised but I knew he was going to go somewhere and it seemed like he was going to go either the Jets and the Buccaneers didn't want to go to the Jets went out there. Now but did you think the Packers are going to send them -- wanted to go in the you know. Acquiesced to his wishes and well."

[0:39]" We're really wanted to go was Minnesota right so that was not a long time ago they -- up up Minnesota at this whole story. Has just. Has just confused me along the way I don't understand why the Packers didn't do this what they did yesterday. Why did in this report months ago. I don't understand. Why the Packers they felt like."

[1:02]" I think part of it might have been Mike because Brett kept waffling back and forth and I would think they'd they'd probably but each time he said hey I'm not going to. You know come back and I'm done and and but what I'd heard is privately behind the scenes there was back and forth you know he changed his mind like the reports I'm sure."

[1:20]" Maybe changed his mind three or four times that's on him not on news you get tired of the waffling and just say right. I don't care what you -- anymore Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback and seems like they took that position. The day his tears dried after that press conference finally dried. You know all good things must come to an end. When he cried when after the final here in March. They were committed to Aaron -- so at that point. If Brett Farr is making phone calls saying you know I'm in second thoughts on all that retired after all -- just say let brad. You were great for the Green Bay Packers. Your legend -- streets named after you here there are lots of threats in Wisconsin in the last fifteen years. Since -- game became a quarterback yet you have a legacy here forever but. Now. You know if you want to play football somewhere. A next year is not going to be in Wisconsin. We're going to --"

[2:18]" You think at some level maybe the team won it was obviously they were hoping that he would just retired and kind of come to that you know way of thinking in the very end and they wouldn't. They they would have to alters sort of you know what he'd done with the Packers in what he built up as this you know football -- football figure. Playing with that one team and that you know. That OJ Simpson and I asked him to go 49ers here at the very end of his -- your name and put the -- exact Franco Harris at the sea -- right in front doorstep with the Bronco -- Marcus but the -- even -- he was -- still wasn't named -- how about this and -- Smith current cardinal absolutely not -- worse. And you know they're probably hoping that he was going to finally come to a -- in their mind thinking and deciding just want to stay at -- forever not go to another team. You know and there -- they were hoping that common sense was going to prevail and that he wasn't going to push this army think about it Mike -- said no. To 25 million dollars to just sit on the couch have."

[3:16]" I haven't watched foot problem by ham I don't think I figured regardless -- an -- I don't -- you know what. A lightning round -- of -- field that's your approach what I -- and I let it sit. That's what about me about a little off -- and I go to anywhere there's no waffling let me know and give them credit that it and."

[3:36]" Credit for saying no 25 million dollars and -- he's rich already. And -- not but he needs the money to pay the bills but it just tells you how seriously he was about playing football is that you hope. That the Packers were hoping that may be common sense would prevail common sense. Is that -- far as the best quarterback for the Packers even though you don't want to go there -- understand that you just want to move -- the ball Aaron Rodgers right the common sense is this. This guy is good enough to be one of the top fifteen quarterbacks top sixteen. Quarterbacks in the NFL. He's not he's not number seventeen. He's not number one he's right around thirteen to sixteen at this point of his career which ain't too bad. I mean we we thought Derek Anderson last -- have a great year for the Cleveland -- Derek Anderson a better quarterback and -- are no. -- no."

[4:27]" Past performance he definitely isn't but Brett -- is at the queries trending downward -- Anderson -- up Hewitt and maybe maybe he's trending toward the had a great year last year right you're you're making a little bit of a -- with the younger player at some point if your sports organization you can do that with guys that you think are going to make that that step up but. The Packers. Were before the seasons in phenomenal shape when he started the year is making the right decisions he was he was managing the game was doing a lot of the stuff that years at the -- done. And doing it by the book exactly fast and too. And then win at the at the most key pivotal moment in the season. Where they needed him to continue to be that guy to go to the Super Bowl he reverted back to that that the Rivera gambler in the Brett farm vault. And I think maybe at that point they look at -- you know what. We can't we can't that teach an old dog new trek okay lake."

[5:18]" You -- you -- he can teach an old dog this old dog new trick but what are you -- to teach Aaron Rodgers. Is Aaron -- going to get you to that point if you if you say last year police don't really say yes or no okay and you I mean he's going to go out their legs like me the story can it is very unlikely that Aaron Rodgers is going to get them to NFC championship game in his first year as a starter. Without a home game. That game on the road that bitterly cold game against the Giants won that game they lost that game at home to the Giants. -- home field advantage this year now of course. Part of the reason and a home field advantage because the guys when Dallas knocked off Dallas and Green Bay with the fitness and it will take we beat Seattle. Divisional playoff. Will play in the NFC championship game in Green -- I don't think though although I don't think Aaron Rodgers is going to get an NFC championship game I think you'll have a shaky start. And a pretty good finish up to a -- Ryan Grant. At running back. Greg Jennings one of the receivers Donald driver one of the receivers James don't -- some talent some receivers. Who can help -- a young quarterback. He has been in this offense for three years now. So it's not like -- unfamiliar with the terminology. He has a rookie in terms of game experience but he knows these guys he knows the coaching staff. He's got the full support obviously Mike McCarthy Ted Thompson general manager. Yankees and a pretty good spot. For a guy taking over team in his first year pulled out."

[6:52]" Yeah and I think going back to we're talking about before I think at a certain point maybe you don't agree that it was this year maybe. People with in the packers' organization do agree with this year it's at some point. They had to cut the cord and they had to draw the line and say we can't keep hanging on. And and you know one more year one more year while Aaron Rogers getting year older and and at a certain point they're going to have to start look to our other quarterback of the few I -- that -- unselfishly Mike. I'm excited because that's two more days and of circled on the sports calendar than now I want to watch -- Jets versus Patriot now we five. Against the Patriots and I think that's the best way it affects."

[7:29]" There you go now we're getting down to the nitty gritty Brett Farr is now in New York yet not obviously there were two franchises out there. Who thought Brett Barbara's better than -- guy we have and that's significant we think about Tampa. Tampa ahead Jeff Garcia last year of course had a good year for them a playoff team -- their -- they had a home game against the Giants the Giants went in there. And beat them. Brett -- at this point is better than Jeff Garcia judge a -- part at this point is better than Kellen Clemens in New York. And Chad Pennington in New York. If he would not to get the New York Jets. A division title now. I don't think you I don't think he's active. But."

[8:10]" Is enough to get them in the playoffs though and make them a team that's going to be competitive against the other teams the AFC -- I --"

[8:16]" I hate the spoiled the script like him on the play along is that you never know like -- on you never know what might happier about our raid on Mike and an outlet that's what an strategies Brunell. A AFC. AFC's. If they acted. The Steelers. Teams last year worse the worse. The Jaguars get worse. The Chargers get worse they lost Michael Turner the best backup running quote best backup running back in the league. Worst. Texans got a little bit better. The Patriots get worse. Market a Browns didn't make the playoffs -- won ten games although it didn't make."

[9:01]" Get your man Ellis Hobbs doesn't do the job and in the secondary you -- make the argument that maybe the Patriots get a little worse about a sent -- Samuel you can. You couldn't you couldn't make the argument."

[9:10]" Anybody's got help it though he's got help they don't have the the this number one supposedly. That Asante Samuel is. But they bring in a guy like Fernando Bryant. Who's good stays healthy the -- advocate Wheatley from Colorado who's good. Good second round draft pick that they have more depth at quarterback they have this dark corner like it at Leicester now."

[9:33]" If things break right they'll be solid but if things go in the other direction as they -- in -- sports they could be a little bit of hurting and a but they also have for the first time in two years that help you Richard Seymour on the offensive line. And they added the rookie of the year right down with today. With today's date the seventh 7 August 7 2008 your rookie of the years and seventeen a answer rod may. I'm -- tree and I felt you left are ready act on its own time I've felt in. Yours and the degree in -- ago you know cotton -- college I like all I care -- like ten hours -- his -- column here that is not my place to be totally out of my jurisdiction we call him -- you know if you are -- working with of that -- would almost be like husband wife at a relationship wouldn't it you don't ever drop a line somewhere there -- boundaries in any relationship. But I always tell felt he had those guys on sports tonight which just shouted out before that."

[10:28]" The thing that ever played back to -- I give them all this knowledge that try to help them how to try to educate them. And they never come back and say you know what you told us --"

[10:37]" Ago even speak into the camera for -- as you point and you just stipulate to look at every like look -- to make -- point -- try to tell them. A Gerard Mayo is going to be your rookie of the year yeah. This year don't worry about it really lock lock of the year for rent I don't know so."

[10:53]" If you have if you have a healthy Seymour you -- defensive line that is still young and and in its prime right. And you've got. More pressure. Presumably on the quarterback. The secondary issues. Won't be as big as they could be if you'd have those two you don't -- rod mail. And you have Seymour -- kind of going along like he's been the last couple years on the field just because. He feels an obligation to be out there but not really. Physically. Capable of doing some of the things that we're used to seeing from Richard Seymour. Changes everything."

[11:29]" You my point being going back to a though the Patriots could be -- exactly where they are last year or a little worse because. You know Stallworth wasn't a huge player all the time for them but he. He -- in game breaking abilities that gave the defense something -- think about I think they lost a couple of pieces here and there that could make them. Like I have to step lower than they were so basically they're not going to be steam -- every team in the league which still got our house but. But the point being the Jets. Not looking at every other team they have their quarterback situation and the offensive line situation and I think their defensive situation -- a lot of stuff in the offseason went about improving improving their team -- but you know they expect you really got them watch them on the field a couple times before you see if that's. Are going to mix together I think this playoff -- and."

[12:15]" I think that's what's going to happen with the Jets Joe. The improvement will be seen in 2009. Not 2008 it's an aunt and I'm not saying that to be. You know to be a smart Alec or anything like -- Eric Mangini went in the -- wanted to establish at 314 want to have a report. He ran at the first year. The second year he figured out why don't necessarily 34 personnel that I need. So he's getting rid of Dewayne Robertson he's getting rid of Jonathan Vilma. Now he's trying to bring and Calvin Pace he's trying he's she's trapped in Vernon Gholston. He's doing these things to get -- trading for Chris Jenkins overpaying for Chris Jenkins by the way. Who was banged up. The last couple years in Carolina for the Panthers. He's doing all these things that put its system in place I don't think he's going to happen this year. It will probably happen next year if they don't next year going to be in the same situation."

[13:13]" Do you think Eric Mangini hasn't next year though -- this -- really does. I think there's a lot of good later on in both him and Mike Tannenbaum did get -- year."

[13:23]" They've they've they've they've snookered everybody. They've got the owner in the -- they're in the palms of the hands. You know -- paper man -- when you work of where your boy Mike Tannenbaum wouldn't fire you."

[13:34]" Well but he -- it can't along with a I can't go in and I don't get the job done and if they go out and they spend dollars -- this -- three -- I understand that but it they've gone out they've spent a lot of money this year and they have it's it. Looks on the outside and when you're watching this team like there almost going for broke their throwing all their chips on the table saying. This is what we we have to start making a statement here and they in this division in this conference and if they if if it backfires on them and they don't anything this year. As you're saying I think there there might be some measuring it went well dealt."

[14:06]" Interesting they'll win some games. They shouldn't win. They'll lose a few games that they feel like -- New York media and the New York Jets fans don't like it shouldn't lose. I think a lot of that all adds up to about a six and 107 and nine year for them. Today."

[14:21]" A second -- o'clock in the Patriots division like we might be the end the year well. It competitive I'll have been working on it. It would be more interesting but the Jets who did not agree team and play opting. Just acquire Brett far more interest in. Which is all that matters to them right now -- could be you play with him the -- he along with the offensive line that they they -- and all the beat the Damien Woody. -- Faneca -- I'm gonna go back maybe it would be that name roll up David what regularly matchup for all this now I could do it at Bob -- I mean the only that it might -- my cringe a little bit is that going to put him at right tackle which went very well."

[15:06]" That's that's a little questionable move right there rather than the guard -- center that he's always been. In in his past career but still I think they're going about it the right way now and it's going to be interesting to watch how this team mixes. I think fire might add something to that mix where they can be competitive and they could go for plant and they could be the Patriots -- at least push them to the very brink which a lot of teams and that and that's."

[15:28]" Edwards in. Yet had the ability -- the the approach the Patriots and Mike anatomy -- to make the -- she's a little more interest well right now I'm glad it's interesting too but in terms of competition in terms of being competitive. And terms of a team you have to worry about this is not the team up there might be more conserve a Buffalo. I am that New York yeah now that's -- statement -- say this this far trade. Opens up something interesting for Chad Pennington and the rest of the AFC's number. Felt Dickerson talking about Chad Pennington how he might be good back quarterback for the Patriots. I don't think Japanese in the going to be back quarterback pay I'm Chad Pennington. I see a match I see you match for me you can get your revenge if you want. You can get a starting job say hello to the Miami Dolphins. Would be a perfect situation for him. -- run the ball and try to run the ball and try to be -- pop pop work team. -- under Tony Sparano and Bill Parcells. They want a quarterback who doesn't make a lot of mistakes happening to -- make a lot of mistakes. He has never gonna win a game for you can't say Chad. Well this thing out -- he doesn't have the arm strength for but he does having intelligent and managing game all he's perfect capsule this is this is -- tailor made situation for Chad Pennington at this point of his career. It might be nice -- it's a great idea of imagining him at the back -- quarterback. Of the himself back quarterback right now and if he has an agent worth anything. That agent is going to say you need a starting job because your backup your money is that is the bottom line here that's backup money. Look at this -- starters money. -- huge difference there's a big difference in what you need to get -- starting quarterback much."

[17:18]" Take a back of job at his age two with his experience you start to get looked at by the rest that league as a back -- quarterback and becomes that much harder to go and to a situation become a starter right I think that's right that's a good fit for him in Miami and that goes back to what I was saying before. If you know far comes into New York and in stabilizes that -- brings a little bit of flash and dazzle of the jets' offense. Pennington goes to Miami. Along with Parcells and everything else they've got -- on down there and brings that element the one thing they -- really missing from that offense more than anything else. You've got a pretty good division the Patriots are going to release it competitive it got -- that if because I think most people myself included probably through. At at over the summer you look at that division you say the pictures roll through everybody go to they shouldn't lose a game."

[18:02]" Is that you you don't sit at -- anymore this -- yes you deal this month okay I -- two dollars and a couple of those let me ask you some ask. Before this trade went down how many games did you have a New York Jets when -- mean does that mean we're all wrong. We're gonna say it we say seven in my -- we say to it might be."

[18:20]" Rod I had five or six before it -- six reds are bred daughter gives them. At least a couple wins I think they're at least 889 and seven with Brett -- Nab him at five yeah not adamant nine. I had five or six. Between five or six or else it is thought that that it was higher at six let's I don't know half okay let's go six -- to give them two to three wins extra added Brett five brings that team along with not just Brett five. But him -- and everything else I think that goes up to three wins."

[18:50]" And you know what I am -- I'm nitpicking on this. This is something that a head coach really have to think about in Mangini. Can get himself in trouble if he doesn't handle this right -- handle it right. All off season. After this dreadful season they had last year and they're losing some close games and getting blown out of some games. All offseason about Eric Mangini is telling his team. You know like guys -- we put the work yen in June and July we have a good training camp that will show up force in November and December. Remember we wore down in the fourth quarter last year remember we inhabit toughness that it took the together and it's that it took last year or going to work on this now. So you're going over that your brain -- these guys you're trying to and that's what they do they really try to -- athletes. And then. On August 6. You bring in Brett Farr a guy who hasn't been part of a guy who haven't been part of the brainwashing. Who have been part of the off season."

[19:48]" Activities."

[19:49]" And you got to hand him the starting job it is really it's a mixed message to your name I'm Mike you can break at a guy like this -- he's early."

[19:58]" If you're a wide receiver at tight end of the New York Jets and you have a choice between Clemens or Pennington or Brett fire commitments slowing in the ball all over the place you going to be happy that Brett -- is -- why."

[20:08]" Receiver yes targeted yes right but that's how many yards to what I've got this victory doesn't I think my point being yes you're talking about them."

[20:16]" I think any everybody on the team should recognize. Unless they've been completely brainwashed and there there there's spewing. You know the mid -- babble right back into his face that. This guy is about to be as -- guy to them about how this guy makes them a better team -- don't think every coach says that. I think the proof is in the putting when a management team like the Jets go out there and they spend money and they bring in talent and they decide we need a lot more people. I think the players look at that say they're bring in a lot of people here because they know that we needed help their helping us I think a lot of athletes look at that way when management brings in players they don't look at it like they didn't believe in us I think a lot of times they look at it like they're trying to help us win and they're doing everything on -- and just like we need to be doing everything they are Anderson that'll."

[20:58]" Joe -- on some more a quick let me let me keep -- on -- you -- are. I talked about the receivers. In Green Bay at first taste Hendry -- opponent I think it was done -- okay go. The receivers in New York. The better the better personnel offensively the New York Jets. Where the Green Bay Packers. While the Packers the Packers. Brett -- has been in this same offense for fifteen years. You know at the study that playbook now."

[21:32]" It's like he did he quote the playbook if not then I'll absolutely it's easy for him they exchanged some terminology I'm sure Mike McCarthy came in. Then Mike Sherman had some different terminology. And then of course Mike Holmgren. Mike's okay and think hey he's only played for bites in the in his entire career so Mike Holmgren had something now."