Jose Canseco

" Suddenly Jose Conseco's -- black -- thanks to curt Schilling's appearance on HBO last month with the Bob Costas. I've -- right now hello. The -- as Curt Schilling. He changed his entire career I think it's everything you wouldn't be likely that -- MVP should go back. And should go to runner up."

" I think. You got a -- perfect Garrett every open up is out of need. Or congress he completely lied to then he's the biggest it occurred -- he he he. One story that doesn't actively create those story I don't know what what the problem -- I think it might be arsenic greatly."

" Why do you think he was asked to testify before congress anyway."

" Well ironically I congress had him on the so called task force against notre. They're still -- Major League Baseball but -- and the testimony understandable reprimand him. Because his testimony was just sort consistent based -- Percy said that. You know put the players in Major League Baseball an article came out on the court Jews and they -- all -- heads. Then from the congress he says it is not a big body and even the -- what has have a problem. So I mean that's just ridiculous that guy is to meet have been the biggest target the biggest liar -- reprimand completely on a congress that he -- Yet no validity whatsoever."

" Do you think that somebody who does admit to taking steroids or is caught taking steroids should have. Some of their statistics taken away from them."

" Well but the problem exists -- it. How much of this basics Arctic away and if you get a -- away certain stats got to figure out what he's started using him when he stopped. Or got a drop all the other players that we use steroids is different possible it's an impossibility really gates that you just."

" I remember you admitted to was you know one of the previous interviews we did with you that it made a dramatic difference. In US the ball player that you would not have been the same ball player. Without having some type of the performance and answers if that's the case. Then aren't those substances in some way responsible for a lot of the statistics."

" the only -- to admitted that I've been using steroids my whole crew we hear. But for -- medically what out of high school I had a post describe what you know just disease Julio citizens and arthritis in my lower back. I cannot remember being -- school where old Kendall picked something up post a lot an actual up like five minutes so for me basically -- needed it. And yet I use just for my contact personally Europe you just hope they can -- is completely based on quality."

" I Jose optimistic about what coach. I'm going to stick Mike -- well in me and reading exactly the play devil's advocate in stick up -- in this part. I didn't want to congress and all the sudden I get nervous okay."

" Oh about the European big chilling it's of their respective look at it can't get mouth -- he's constantly talking currently wasting your opinion. I mean he loves it he I think you can."

" Jose pretty fair about this. You were unwilling to go before congress on the oh are you wanted immunity before you testified."

" Well that's because I was the main topic I was the world -- all the information on the won the world the -- so my information was much more devastating much more important. And much more definitive but anyone else."

" Well but you've had no problem cashing in as an author and selling a lot of books but when you were putting yourself in the cross hairs in -- legal sense before congress under -- you wanted to immunity so it was and that being a hypocrite."

" Now I also bought it and want to wait a minute what it's -- it's -- to say well no but explain your answer that's pretty hypocritical to. Well try to -- I think it's at oh. I understand that he interviewed carpet that would 20 some odd years -- I human relation you cut me off I was doing okay well I played this game. -- more expert -- giving you our leader. The reason being -- because obviously you know I had more information anyone I had more to tell. I don't -- this wouldn't ever want the reason why congress. Put this whole -- Together that this book is what they needed to move forward on lately based congress had been doing -- the best -- on the QB awful poetry in years. But they had no one on the inside to validate all the information almost. An Odyssey I mean I benefit from -- actually -- the number one reason why -- wrote this book. And the only number one in the world is to help ensure Major League Baseball. That you could not black ball you could not take anyone's career and it was like there."

" Actually it was a revenge Q would get revenge Madden definitely opt out I -- any major corporation. Major League Baseball included a one person can make a huge yeah said -- person want Ortiz said that what support can rattle the world."

" Is that you said that in September the whole world now and sure enough he did he call -- called Schilling a hypocrite. How your body McGwire come and stand before that before congress how about Palmeiro point of the."

" I'll be honest with you I expect McGwire and respect palmer not least okay that explains more Warrick up. -- very nice man and we were friends but -- lark very bad advice what look what -- should do is actually -- attorneys. Because all Mark McGwire had to do was English. So what I used steroids. Do what you steroids it was not illegally that a big thing of the world we want to we're really help I want no it would not -- lately at other. I want to society and I want it to help the organization. I want to ask the other expect that all he had sake. What is the target apart so -- you know what the war you're an American icon tellem I don't know what went forward. It's bad legal count."

" What about little shuttle -- and what about Palmeiro."

" Palmeiro what exactly what happened Pomeroy palmer wrote in the catch 22 Palmeiro Major League Baseball basically colluded. On a story against me very simply palmer has the pot to be forced there was 41 and the congress."

" And do we know -- I remember you tell me this so he'll be Palmeiro goes to congress he already tested positive for steroids when we didn't they didn't pick up positive test would -- get out."

" Well because in the Major League Baseball constructed story that you need to -- together testify against the pitcher in Major League Baseball. Palmeiro tested positive that you -- as a result all Major League Baseball. -- they knew that might book was long lost to make it based ought to -- that we typical Palmeiro. We know. It is also as -- that you're older sister what we do we know that you were very close to hitting I went home run 5000 basically I think -- but all we want with this exchange that he testified that. Why he's so perfect -- perfect. He'd better well respected has never been in trouble very quiet man you'd you'd been more like our area but incredible stats. So he testified before congress not just fight. And any -- whittled Apollo I didn't -- use their what pointing act -- of old like god what a wake clicked."

" Shot put will they hold on hold on hold -- that were you shocked when he said that."

" I would -- but dedicate to me and I said no individual is gonna act like that testify unless he's got back. And Palmeiro had Major League Baseball actually looked a little -- well okay well I don't but congress got smart card -- you know what. I'm going to subpoena these laboratories. -- these results came from and number subpoenaed Major League Baseball result what I want to tightly to get -- what happens. What -- the baseball all like got we got that smoking governor -- we're going to leaked this out but it won't -- old Palmeiro guilty. That's exactly what you look at what the book only outcome indicated it's Albany in the."

" What -- Palmeiro due to two. Put the spotlight on knew what did he say in congress that was part of his quid pro quo with -- Major League Baseball against you what damning evidence that he supply. Congress about you."

" Well not not and the Everett I think she testified against -- vehemently testified aggressively putting extremely -- Never used their right to -- obviously."

" So wait a minute it was that you say that's the quid pro quo here but they were going to hide his positive in exchange for him rolling over on you before congress what what did he say. To roll over on you rely."

" No doubt he -- HTTP Texas. I'd that he never used it."

" But what we're we're getting away from the -- say there was acquit broke two point -- did you poured out palmer -- took steroids. That's what happens and he pointed out that -- I don't know he's. -- checked while most current I have I have sans a diploma says he never thought -- Absolutely Jose what I want to you to explain -- you said there was a -- broke blow -- all the -- Or don't. Why aren't doing this a little longer than usually flattened -- so I can do about it just. Which are right -- listen you know wild shot I -- I said there was a youths are already out. At a razor here we tend towards that their president you said there was an understanding and agreement. That that Major League Baseball would not release the positive. About Palmeiro in exchange for him. So providing damning evidence to congress about you I don't remember him talking about you in his testimonial he lied about it don't units."

" Debbie evident in yourself -- despite that he has never used steroids. Meaning he tried to destroy it might my truthful."

" You know you. But anyway the and they don't imports Jose's pointed out that that he took steroids and palmer both point at the camera saying. I've never taken steroids I mean that's all -- think it's cyclical -- I like dominos yeah right I get on the legal."

" Let me go to another era direction yet another they started testing you brought this up to us a few interviews fact that you said that. They're always going to be one step at a Major League Baseball and you should just going to want to human growth hormones -- eventually on the something else. Com do you believe right now that players are. Using human growth hormones and clearly find finding ways of working around any testing system right now."

" Well yes I believe -- maybe small percentage of individuals maybe you think you -- go -- because it will test -- or I truly believe. That where there's large amounts of money to be need. That individual look at every angle possible -- every possible to try to get an edge absolutely weather -- now maybe there's some. Other individuals -- stopped are trying to create another type of steroid that's not detectable or maybe you -- bat which I think in the in the near future were going to do you know gene doping. We're going to genetic enhancing I mean that the next evolution. Connecticut --"

" What it is she tell what you think about bonds he -- obviously to break this record what what do you think's going to happen here."

" All it can't really don't know I really think it depends on where people exit. Arm and their -- and San Fran thing. Well hopefully breaks -- frank I think vocal deputy area almost all of it back the only player that he's the only place you can write. Well he's got what six games like that to do what. Got to you know he's a blankets weren't structure right okay go on the road after -- it separate should be a ruling liberal. -- from split their. What it is clear the record there."

" Do you think do you think they come down on after -- breaks that record do you think it's possible that's when the feds will come up with a enough. Stuff on him that that's when they'll finally --"

" No nobody that it it it's too long time you can do they're then they're actually not I believe that -- down and yet it will not. Alas the individual I think -- treanor -- in jail talks. Which if it hadn't talked to by now he's like going to tell me. Great yeah I don't I don't think it's gonna happen at all it will be extra -- leaning bad timing. For any one or -- legal whatever category and that's something against bought after domestic -- Gary."

" And yet. This whole period of of Major League Baseball period in which you played -- you admitted taking steroids. Is now going to be known going forward as the steroid era that people are going to question. How good players wore during this year that the people are going to have difficulty in making decisions on which one of these guys get into the -- thing."

" While I absolutely each each you know error -- each time in. And in healthy you know human existence the evolutionary pattern is going to change. He's 60 years now it may be a completely different it may be that all they had eight and attached molecule to the mind. Back and read although individual's mind that -- you know pictures that were common Becker re dot. -- don't know so I mean every 56 feet on ears I mean we're all went so quickly. Which I mean was just you know chemicals thought to attempt with the weaponry where dusty fall league so quickly that you know what's going to."

" I -- one thing I do know is that the -- of it in power numbers are down in Major League Baseball. Coincidence or not that it all happened at the same time that they started testing out there."

" Albert there's there's Oakland's and Oakland's is what were not a people would fool themselves. To say no but it it is a fact I mean players skipping -- about certain chemicals. Armed just not physically not strong enough or -- that it did before the confidence that -- certain chemicals. No it is it is safe fact that I -- the belt and."

" I've always been curious about something you you've talked about the fact that. You don't think you would have I don't article words in your mouth. What -- you said that without steroids you would not have been nearly as successful or even made the big leagues which of those is your position."

" I've -- a -- crippled rbi with you because since high school like I'd sit right -- to -- in respect to these school tools such writers. And I've had people don't know this but I had four major back surgery -- oh most urgent attempt surgery. And you know some players with one major -- at an all star Medal and so when I'm Isiah just four."

" A but I tried to get to how much of your success you can credit to steroids you have said something close to that."

" for me because that was probably the physical recognize scorpions open them up to what they called a truly believe that."

" Okay did -- ever use steroids. Because my brother is yeah twin brother and I and I and the reason I'm not doing it to embarrass you or your brother I am just trying to get to the issue I mean here's a guy with you or nearly identical DNA the -- and genetic make up. And -- I'm wondering what the difference was if I mean if Ozzie had taken some or more would he have been as successful. As you mean if yours if you're isolating steroids. As the principal one of the principal reasons for your success in the big leagues. I'm wondering just from a kind of curiosity slash scientific standpoint why Ozzie wasn't a successful was you."

" That's like a question for them. Because just because we're twins just as we have as -- sort of the same make up doesn't mean we sure it seemed like."

" No I I understand just and and I respect your. You're you're intent to keep your brothers issues private I just thought I'd throw that out there because it's always been in an --"

" make course it. -- maybe he'll be doing the radio Joe's idea it is you disappointed in la Russa."

" Well I -- at this point in Tony because he again was hypocrite he against said. I knew nothing about our Ortiz and there would negate -- comes -- saying you are people like Canseco was using steroids. Plus you know it seemed like your old person in the world you -- or even -- congresswoman -- this latest statement said. Also what we're saying here that political -- individually steroids in Major League Baseball and it asked it -- came hello."

" Yeah now we're here we're here we -- and we're. He's he's ever done -- in."

" Gotten so kind of copy of the congressional hearings kind of became little comical when everybody was like. Wore a normal double speak English oh it's deep thinker I thought that there I don't it was funny you -- keeping our apartment. And -- certainly could feared very political rubles or non. It became almost like a life -- it's ridiculous infected with lies and hypocrisy. And you know I can't believe that because that people that in the jail and beaten me."

" How he traded by by baseball people you spent a good deal of your life. In the game I've that you can't show but a lot of baseball games it certainly can't go into a lot of club buses these days --"

" Well I never had several book it went back to Major League Baseball game. I taught me obviously these -- the bookkeeping K now eight that the time will try to get the job while. And the issue never came up that -- too -- the talent as a matter of fact. I want to play organizations for free. And even at the major league minimum can play almost good people who donated to local charity -- to ballpark. Each and every once said hell no we can approach I would -- polite. I was the the silent signal to all the players. Stop using steroids we want it without a game seven structures -- control every player knew exactly what happened out struck. And the Everett crimes supposedly being black and I know. Alex and the next day of the quality been like I can think about -- we all knew what. Absolutely all of it even Alex to -- orders because. He was questioned by the -- And set between the -- Jose Canseco you've -- like all agreed that he should know I have no wish XL entry."

" Not while -- and I worked out in my are going to say that night you know. Other stop what you will become I was gonna say that."

" Oklahoma that hold on hold on what's what is Jose I remember when you an Iraq were pretty good friends. And he just."

" Really turn -- back on -- He's your typical politician in the game baseball -- is an -- before he's not least seems to be. What do you mean by that. He's not being clean cut you know upstanding obviously we've seen already with what. What is divorce in which it is and it's cheating in the net slowly -- I'll also say it again. No whatever Major League Baseball is as bad as it seemed in no -- that we."

" And you've got stuff you going to come are you right in the book on erotic what's the number what's in September the whole world now what's the deal they rod."

" Well my new book coming out of the cult indicated that could have probably ten times more information about first of people that tarnished and that I -- that hold back. So much information on first book because all under a bulls -- on probation was it happened so I'd be very very careful."

" So does this mean this -- to going to be form mornings December -- in a it has they were out of -- taken steroids."

" You have to latency."

" Obvious obviously you remember that. -- called -- obvious you pretty ticked off at him."

" Well to -- note hypocrite and I cannot stand it I'd rather individual be truthful. And and back up his wording. Then for whatever apparent reason make statements and -- there's every -- said -- I can't stand -- I just I just. You know I'm I'm not built that I'd I'd like."

" Obviously teasing us with anybody right reason I bring that up is that. Most people seem to be displeased across the country except in section of the fans in San Francisco. -- Barry Bonds is about to break hank Aaron's record because they feel that he did not do it on the open and it's not which. Many ace of the same fans including Sox fans but. Necessarily big fans of -- because he's playing for the guys were in pinstripes you know how that works as they. Many of them are -- they're saying well it's okay because a few years down the road for 56 years down the road. Body's going to break right. Interest."

" What do will be viewed."

" I don't think it will I I truly believe -- you know I don't understand -- I watched panel. Yesterday before I think you'll call rabbit children yes -- five or six weeks and dusty baker was on there got. And I think in the talking about Major League Baseball steroids in the hope of picking one might not on the pebble. I don't want it all the actual information. I'm the one that's not tied to any institution what's -- only 12 to the -- that -- individuals that have perched up dusty baker are you kidding me and make it basically the major league manager how people -- the truth."

" What do you think they don't have you on the because they're scared that you broadcast -- they -- point -- I have no ties with institutions passionately to behold."

" On 12 it it it because I'm an -- finished that thought but remember they broadcast major league games you have already admitted you did here 20 minutes ago. That you were seeking revenge at Major League Baseball --"

" You won the tournament let -- a question about also called up. But I'm going to true I don't know why not I -- For revenge. Only pitcher Luke yeah you don't I don't you know what I would structured this way less panel eight experts that originally baseball most were in -- congress. That connect the public Russian government -- let's see lying -- why wouldn't I wouldn't and it that would not be great."

" Yeah you're right it would be great but you know like Major League Baseball they're afraid of their own shadow let me ask this let me ask you this. Why would A rod like if you if your friend."

" That's what bothers me. That's what really really bothered me when he."

" any -- cannot look me in the face. That's an actual the actual --"

" So you got some stuff coming out this is going to be dynamite. Do do you -- or any guys that you talked to. The did steroids is there any in the back give your mind fear that would you turn 5055 or six. Pitcher going to suddenly be subjected to an awful lot of health issues that are related to taking steroids in the underage."

" Well I don't know I hasn't been any long term limitations following you you're a human subject on steroids."

" Do you -- Did you -- you study an awful lot about this do you ever wake I don't think -- and a little worried a little public concern sudden."

" I don't I don't I'm going to tell you why. Because I truly believe that there are certain."

" Categories that I had used their alleged properly. I don't -- sport ballplayers electronic or at what their main issue is Matt -- Matt about it Maddux has. We categorically put our baseball players. Tennis players golfers and owners but who is that you want to. Because in this sport it's not about -- building it's about stamina building less is. So I unions. Small amounts of steroids compared to my side and what older individuals have been written about using. Much smaller and obviously that -- that."

" Jose at the height of your baseball career you work as you were big enough. To play in the NFL I mean you had a body builders up perhaps too easy I mean I think you're you're minimizing. -- the your involvement here and how much you used."

" No you know beaten because you're not even -- you know what steroids are Dominican structure you can even tell me. Created then why are created and what so. What part -- detachable ideas so. It looked like exciting subject matter you know -- a couple of on the so now I'm 64 actor to an -- pals. For body builder to compete at six foot four -- alone. It would have to be three on the outlook but you had the completely wrong and an accurate and I can't stand people. Try to interject. A lack of information."

" I'm not okay I'm not. Passing myself off as a doctor. Don't put words in my mouth you were significantly bigger. With your upper body than the average baseball player. I know course -- okay aren't but you're you're saying that I only did a little I didn't do anywhere near his Mandy. As NFL players you had actually huge up okay but you had a huge upper body physique at the -- okay well that I --"

" Like I would prefer to be average baseball player yes skippered the average football player you know they're apples and oranges and let's talk fact not perception. I look it would facts and numbers of -- mathematician I hate dealing with perception hearsay and and -- I hate. Basically you know -- the public any justice by not keeping proper."

" I and -- want to -- that's an it's one I don't want to ask you this question. -- you can you talk about money early. How is it that the ones not you money about the money dealing with steroids. How is it that the players that seemed to be asking our minor league players most of them coming from Latin American countries. Is it a matter of we're determined as a race non I want I well. On what it is it is -- let me finish the I don't that's -- what's the point what are your highest point. Or is -- you have enough money out there. Are you. Are you spending time with the victor copies those who -- dealing with cloudy the drugs that can they can mask certain test and if you're coming from Latin American -- in 1920 years old. And and somebody says it's going to help get the big leagues -- just making without any supervision is that why. Young Latin seemed to be the ones that testing positive."

" Well I'm not a ball Major League Baseball don't know exactly boost that all the technically -- many types of steroids and you category of steroids. And many prices of conspiracy for example these -- steroid. Create in the United States a lot more expensive but let's say a steroid debt is common -- in Mexico or Venezuela Puerto Rico. So the price range is incredible. I -- incredible. For example depending on what restaurant in. One called Doug may cost you 50s and -- restaurant same apartment cost -- five -- you know I just depend where."

" Glenn knows about it's our commitment but the but the money do you have a better chance of masking that and -- that. If you're paying a lot more for these certain cutting edge."

" Yes I'll get -- here yet -- you're going Chien you know. Play with the big boys -- actually. Eat in these individuals were obviously you know the clear the clear -- created by -- gentleman's name. And that's called clear because nuclear test that was on detectable. And basically changed one let the molecular structure wants certain steroid sort -- tests but then someone. Belt another doctor they put on the -- beat the chain and the chemical that make it -- be different and Airbus published baseball."

" One last thing what's your message to -- Curt Schilling."

" I don't like -- I think guy. Forces and to me you know what it's it's his opinion that there's really no stacked behind what he says there's there's no thinking there's nothing I think he just likes to -- opinion he likes to talked and he thinks bad. He made the you know get away with whatever except I in the aren't unusual to me because. Most think he has no salvation and the patience to. So I guess and that of the freedom of speech and so -- applies."

" I was the book coming up the new book. Thoughts on the September"

" you know what I used to seeing but we're working on it a good deal now and the second book was going to be. It's ridiculous it's going to blow the first."

" And an A rod might be featured in chapter will especially in the interest level what -- those it's always great talk and he will do it again down the road. And I details like Jose Canseco"