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Tue, 10 Nov 2009

With the GM meetings currently being held in Chicago, Dale and Holley break down the moves the Red Sox have made to this point.

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" You know it's usually helpful for me every morning at 730 we have a little conference call and the producers for the program and Michael Knight. But gonna get together on the telephone only kick around stuff and it it helps me. -- get my mindset. For the topics of the day and get my mind set about about you know how things are going in the sports world. Unfortunately today I think it helped as much as I needed to because. I was looking for my partner in and our producer friends that that help explain to me. The moves that the Red Sox have made here already in the in the offseason now. None of us probably have any issue I can imagine you have any issue with picking up the option on Victor Martinez. Smart move cents an -- what you can -- not even a question. -- I don't have a problem with the -- the option on Jason Varitek we thought that's what they do. To meet Varitek either accepts the the player option at three million or money and think about Witten at this point but again. The move they made I understand completely. Alex Gonzales. Little less okay yeah you don't wanna pay -- six million. Right now jet -- only shortstop on the roster you've talked about the possibility of resigning Alex Gonzales at a reduced rate. All right the and loan money is money in and that's fine. And we get to the Tim Wakefield thing and I'm thinkin'. I think that badly in need of money that. That bit you know they they wanna reduce the the rate of pay that Tim Wakefield gonna get I mean I understand this the questions he's had back surgery and all that stuff. It doesn't look like just the money will. Just a way to save a million million and a."

" Half dollar dog got a theory the theory on the Red Sox. And and what all this -- all this means they are gearing up. For the big purchase. Come on now -- please me here for the big purchase I don't know what the big purchases but they're gearing up for it's like. When you when you try and definitely trying to cut corners you're you're trying to buy something big maybe year. You gonna buy. Namibian about it the mansion next door you'd rent them -- down -- dead yet it is gonna pondered how to do that John Henry thing yeah all right but this property just scared now. Because relic. So you're trying to do that. Then maybe. And maybe you don't pick up lunch but the deal -- crew you know moment coming on it's it's not a lot of money. But I'm gonna save little money here. Maybe I'm not gonna go shopping. You know forum for my new gear save some money there and then you start cutting some corners and after awhile he got a little nest day. It's you can apply toward this big purchase the Red Sox are doing the same thing a little money not much for Tim Wakefield but -- million dollars this statement. They're probably gonna save about three million when it when they work out a deal with Alex Gonzales. If they do work got to deal with them they'll say three million dollars air there's that cup million dollars Jason Varitek. They put it altogether. Not good looking -- you can buy back up in the election on no no because this is what we we have we we keep. Forgetting. Why the Red Sox have fallen short as opposed -- last week. Why did they fall short for Mark Teixeira. What they falls short for Alex Rodriguez back in the day. It all comes down to two or three million dollars this season over five years."

" Which to be very honest with yet. And and it looks a whole lot of money you would -- everybody listening to us in that world it's really short."

" Okay maybe in their world it's not maybe they'd like we can only do this weekend we have reached our financial limits. And I'm sorry the fans. If they say -- two million dollars a year for five years or six years you can't. Come up with an extra 1250. Million dollars. I think they're comin' up with extra money now. For purchase later I don't I I don't know I don't know who it is I think that's what their."

" Well I hope Iraq because and and look I'm not trying to beat this horse to death as we've Marty Donald witness. Losing out on Mark Teixeira last offseason. Is gonna haunt this franchise for the foreseeable future it was it it was a huge move. Both from the Red Sox perspective because they didn't get them and from the Yankees respect because they did yeah. And and again and they -- world it was relatively speaking over not a lot of money if the stories of people. Jason day let's use him as the example right now to try to get Jason Bay signed okay. And and they they either don't want -- thing you know Matt Holliday is priced way out of existence and from what I've read. You know the Mets might signing for a 120 million bill thank you miss -- later that's gotta have bright out it so it's already about Jason Bay and and let's say it's. Sixteen million dollars a year. For four years. Right so so you decide it's a little too rich for our blind you know we just -- deal. -- a lot of -- yet you get some plan B or C your teeth. Like you did last off season would Mark Teixeira and and -- kicking yourself even more down the road it almost seems like they're nickel and dining things here a little bit."

" That's that's a negative way in the commanded they okay legacy that's my fault homage to the positive ultimate. Say you goats you. Go to San Diego and I know it's unlikely because the Jen Boyer and can you really make a deal with. The Red Sox when he does that hard to picture and let's they'll say you got up for something like this you go to go to San Diego you go to Seattle. For San Diego you say you know give me Alex Gonzales. Not alaskans -- Adrian Gonzales and Adrian Gonzales and you sign him. To a brand new eight year 134. Million dollar contract and say -- you're gonna be a Red Sox for the rest of your. Or you go out. To Seattle. And you say I know what you said publicly but privately know we vote that was going on here you don't have a lot of money I don't loses guy. And and we're gonna give you a great package that will help you replace king Felix you'd trade for Felix and give on the 21 century. Contract that's when he read than the version right all right what Pedro Martinez got when he was signed. When he was traded the Red Sox back in the day you do something like that then that's why you offering up extra money."

" Michael as if it any of those things happen. Then your right nominating OK if any of those things happen. So they don't happen in your right -- well. -- have now and I didn't mean at that time as a non Arnett and also reversed the no I don't at all and it it if what we find is more of the same. You know sorry we know we just couldn't they Jason day that march that Josh red X gonna play left field are. Who ever yet by Jeremy Hermida is gonna be the left field and -- don't sleep on their heads in because we just couldn't pay that kind of money you know. Same -- a couple million here we saved a million there. So so now were able to blot and get. The -- the backup catcher that were looking for. Is just. And I understand this is real money in real world and all that stuff but it seems like this team. Has been nickel and dining a little bit now I've already said they can't compete. Financially. Would -- the New York Yankees aren't they don't have the revenue they can't compete salary wise. But it seems like they're they're missing out on stuff if this if if I'm correct in -- not make him one of these big moves right there missing out on stuff for for what. In the real world in them is not is not much money."

" And here's something else says I was thinking about this the other day. And and I know if you're the Red -- you can't control all of the information. That is put out there about your team. You know sometimes you know you'll drop a dime to throw a bone to one of the reporters covering the team and they cannot stand. A message out there to the fans at the Red Sox may be thinking of fill in the blank right and that's come from the team but sometimes the government to come from the team. If your reporter. You got you gotta feed the beast in your your editor your news director is looking for something from got to come up with something -- sometimes. -- throw things out there. I say that to say this how do you think. Last year for example. The information got out -- Mark Teixeira that the Red Sox were enters the market share where that comfort -- that coming from Scott Boris was coming from the Red Sox who put that out there."

" It it helped the Boris can't Boris camp more than -- did the Red Sox can. I mean -- wants. More teams to be involved wants other teams to think that this teams involved in that teams involved and pay we're gonna have to up the ante for interest that. The more the more -- Scott Boras has that are interest in his client the better off the."

" Yes you know it just seems to me and I know the Red Sox have well some people on the Red Sox think -- The baseball operations group they have pretty good relationship. Scott bores me make it work with the -- right they were right many times before. Other people."

" Not so much. Larry Lucchino not so much -- force John Henry apparently not some not so much. It's with the Yankees have a better approach with Boris and I know it's a very dangerous game."

" Let's say it's easy to because they just say okay bring us what their best operas we'll top it can't get it it's a dangerous game to play. On one hand you wanna let the the guy known the -- known that your interest in his -- on the other hand you don't wanna be used you've been used up. You have been used in any any embarrassing way twice. By the Yankees won with Johnny Damon they used. They -- okay. You know what didn't want to give them for years anyway yeah but it only kind of got away he got away when. In the Red Sox thought they had one more negotiating session with that with him right and it was -- no he's he's -- with the Yankees. He was they were used again. What mark to share. I wonder if if it hurts the Red Sox to be throwing. Reporters bones. Corporate hurts them the kind of yeah VO he'd he'd agree with the -- lately to put information out there -- today talking about the Jason -- thing."

" You know we're gonna be doing this under the radar doesn't do us any good to be talking publicly about any of -- I."

" Think that is really I think that is really hurt them yeah. When it comes down -- the last minute you gotta say he may be got to play some poker was -- got a good working relationship with them you killed him on the Daisuke contract. Some. Guy I mean I did it and I like Daisuke big they got a great deal. I'm not talk about the posting -- right and about posting via separate -- about the negotiation with Scott -- you know bourses mechanism like. This guy was going to be one of the best paid pitchers in baseball and he's not he's look at it now look at what pictures of -- baseball. And Daisuke of the bargain if you think he's a decent starting pitcher. Who can give you some productive innings and you -- nine dollars a year that's that's pretty much a bargain. I know you have you have had successful with -- boards before but now he can play a little poker with this guy because of their somebody out there that she won. You can't be first to Boris. Yet he can't let him go to the Yankees it's a balancing act I understand it's very difficult but they're gonna have to change their approach with him because they really want somebody. I feel like Scott -- is gonna use their interest in drive the price and that players don't have somewhere."

" Jason Bay's situation I don't know much about Joe urban I don't know what is negotiating style says. As the us said in the papers today you know you get to this point of your career you've earned the right Tenet to blot test the free agent waters. And he didn't say this I'm paraphrasing but you almost be stupid Nazi what's out there which is why none of these exclusive negotiating period things ever get on the don't. Because you've you've got to at least see what's out there."

" A Bobby Abreu would happen for him. He resigned with the with the angels right. Let's get on -- generally generally an -- if you got your eyes on a huge contract you're you're playing the entire seasons and I'm just -- waiting for the deal expire I can't wait to jump in the -- and can't wait to see. I can't wait to see these general managers of these owners make -- green."

" It wooed in you get wined and dined but. You know what I what I feel ultimately it's gonna happen here. Jason Bay's gonna end up in saint -- was sore. I don't think New York but Seattle someplace else and you know what it's going to be it's gonna be the same thing Pedro was going to be the same thing Johnny Damon was its economy. We remind them money but it was an extra year and now it's now -- we always hear you always think Pedro is going to be good tool for two or three years it's that fourth year that."

" Week but you have a problem with that. Com. Because it 'cause nobody had a problem with -- I won't tell you this oh yeah they present case they were right. -- Johnny Damon's case they were wrong I don't know they weren't all seven nobody had a problem with that -- man amen. This is the model. Franchise -- baseball they have caught the Yankees they they don't lose any better than what don't we though that's what happened with Teixeira to."

" Was years it was a -- of money which is money but but you know it was years and and look in as I said in in pay gross case they were right. They were exactly right and and fine you Johnny Damon's case they were wrong how they were wrong. He was he was a perfectly functioning -- Major League player during the entire term of that contract they missed that didn't didn't well. Because they had gotten trade for a guy I mean they traded Manny. You know they've they've they've moved parts around my my point is there. Went they went -- at Coco Crisp. The play center field because Johnny Damon laughed they didn't -- it wasn't that they knew that. You know I mean they hope Ellsbury was gonna be right over the horizon but outside in signed Coco Crisp due up what prison where your video we're."

" But a lot a lot cheaper. Then getting Johnny Damon right is always just money."

" It's just not not just money. It could have been -- we don't think Johnny Damon is going to be a viable center fielder and he wasn't percent of total for the you have no viable and popular for the Yankees right there right. It was not a sort of humor. Left fielder."

" He was a viable player during the entire term of the contract viable hitter his position changed I you're you're exactly -- DH here. There Iran. You Johnny Damon as the H."

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