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Thu, 22 Oct 2009

Dale and Holley begin the show talking about the MLB playoffs, JD Drew, and Adalius Thomas.

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" Out of the way we look at don't look at us we don't make -- the rules exactly I -- is that -- we go where they tell us to go we are they tell us to -- we're very much like at Ellis Thomas. You've got a question asked Jason -- operations got all the answers as Jason. Like yourself yesterday afternoon and early evening wondering if buzz this -- had had exploded he kept. Has the as the old stuff with dad's bed with -- that yesterday afternoon and AJ -- Larry -- I was picturing buzz this feature being medicated for him being strapped to a Gurney wasn't a problem -- will Leach. But he eight page -- area to EI he would hold debts hit everybody that the debts in culture they. The whole. I I guess they did do part of what they threatened to do. I think some people but there were gonna go even further than they did but. But they -- some warnings yesterday afternoon they -- it's more people's lives miserable yesterday afternoon."

" And that's what really comes down to making people's lives miserable because. That the people they mention okay Sharma Boyer I checked it out the people that they match it."

" I don't even care about you don't know if people you know Williams anchor silliest but that got it to about -- yeah kind of -- is sort -- kinda you know they they don't they should understand."

" Why why dad's been works in the first place it it works because. Famous people sports celebrity so to speak are are exposed are taken down you know you get the behind the scenes. You know smarmy stuff about people that you see all the time on TV and that's why it works because people we -- And it's now -- to -- people we are obsessed with. Other people's lives celebrity's lives. But."

" If it's not a celebrity. I kind of loses its punch you bring up my one vice president of marketing program they would care."

" glad she had sex and Evans dinnertime working on the job all the time. Am I am glad she actually does something. I don't know who she is I never see here on TV and never think about her."

" Well I see your your greater point is exactly right on the other hand. If baht if you wanna talk about. About sexual harassment in the work place in the larger issues she matter -- I got -- and get down that if you actually wanted to write about things that are geared that are important and you develop principles must have rightly. Eight does it doesn't matter what -- got boring to talk about Brill well okay fine now she does that matter the overall premise does matter. I've never written by a person's name brightly as and you want I and I won't irritate him three days from now. Somebody will say that name to -- and you'll say who knows that. Yeah body retain an actor probably right. I assume like I did you listen via this morning I thought it was great. -- is usually that's funny he -- and you know that's why trying to to talk because people take what I said. And they did it again today with the J. D. Drew stuff he's right people do take. Bits and pieces of what he says and they turn it to their own you know their own means and their own but I don't think that happened that day I mean he said he was pretty effusive. When he was talking about J. D. Drew. And and talking and he caught J. D. Drew over the last three years. One of the top players in baseball one of the top players in the Red Sox and it as anybody twisted when he was trying to -- I don't know. All but all the people who followed. PO basically kill them for the -- with say I think the thing at the outset which by the way it was true but we don't wanna hear it. Is that is that basically we're all living in the past and that we haven't yet caught up. To the to the more modern -- bricks of judging baseball skills and abilities. You know and -- told the story about a we have if we -- school and and learned that the world was blacked. You know and and we went on got a job later on as a surveyor and we ultimately learned that the world was round we change how we looked at things. And he is he is correct. That many baseball fans are still locked in the whole idea batting average you know runs batted in and in and they and they and that's how you judge a player are disagree but."

" I disagree with that I think I think most baseball fans if you're if you are hardcore baseball fans. Then you look it you're looking at. -- lots of other things outside of batting average and runs batted in that we. You know there there are tons of of web sites everywhere out that there aren't that there's tons of information books articles. About. How to judge a players opted to production so. This this is not something that developed in in in 2003. I think that's the money talking about with the release of money -- Bill James is talking about the stuff in the seventies and early."

" Hey you know what a lot of fans still haven't caught at an end in mattress I don't know about that on I don't know feels right how many times we hear people talk about batting average. And at a player's batting at what it hit it as -- hip -- David Ortiz carries it to third well but it's not relevant though it is not the most important is edited out of Ronald nearly irrelevant well among among modern baseball general --"

" KS it's irrelevant just take it out of any type of description take take it out of any type of analysis of a player it's irrelevant now what what. This is what what money ball brought to the mainstream but it brought the mainstream is that these these averages these things that we've talked about all of our lives. Batting average and runs batting it runs -- Very important. But we've we've placed too much importance on them and ignored other things that are also important. So I but I think I think you make a mistake if you go the other way is extreme and saying it's not important at all."

" No but and and again I think what Theo said is true but people wanna hear the general managers say that what. In a roundabout way what he's saying is. Leave it to the people who built the best organization in baseball you know leave it to the that the general manager what he's basically saying is you don't want to go I don't what I'm -- Some of you don't understand exactly what you're talking about and and you know you gotta trust."

" Me on this list and I think it's fascinating some of the stuff he was talking about today rilya I think it was a great interview John Jerry asks great questions it was good it was good exchange back and forth. The information was put out there and and we're better -- regular players okay. He's right. He's right in a sense that there are our baseball. They're baseball stats there there are baseball analyses that everybody is not up. And if you if you take advantage. Of extended analysis. In advance statistics. You'll be able to see some things that maybe you don't see with a cursory glance. That is a fair argument. Arnold that argument applies to J. D. Drew."

" Across the boy he sure thinks it does now and and Eric. And it is it is probably the one thing when he talked about I don't like to talk publicly as people think one little thing out of what I say and and what they're taking out the entire great. Almost thirty minute interview they're taking he thinks J. D. Drew good player that's what what I her caller caller after caller after caller."

" Well because. Of that though is it the only problem is if your -- The only problem you have is if you say something. And people. Misrepresent her words twister words taken out of context on and on and it happened. So if you say something and you get reaction. That's a problem. You know you're giving an interview and it's Biondi. The melt those cliches that we get most of the time. I would be upset if somebody took something I didn't stay in try to put it on me. But that it happened people were calling about J. D. Drew and I J. D. Drew fans -- they're -- details -- a and that's okay. They did make up something."

" They are there and and many of them as I've been sitting here listening to them ever since he he left the -- many of them. Were basically you know killing the general manager for being as an attempt to quote our friend Terry Francona for being a dumb -- I mean how can he think that this guy is a good ball player how can an -- disagreeable he even went further than. He said based on the measure measuring sticks they use based on the the things that are important and -- Over it -- and he's worth a tick over fourteen million dollars a year which just blew people's mark it's I'm now. 88 subsequent caller bright it was almost immediately after the BO interview made made a great point. Did you envision your fourteen million dollar a year player batting -- I understand that's Terry Francona is an area of don't you know of you know he he's responsible for that Hank and."

" I'll -- that's going to be a book coming out soon about this is another world is flat thing lineups. Leadoff hitters and cleanup hitters and number threes and number fives and protection. Of our guarantees of -- come out the book if not this army program trying to give -- that somebody is gonna come microscope again today surmise that about the book and say. -- lineups are overrated."

" But I don't think that it's legitimate and and even even VOA admitted. That that he would be hard pressed to explain how J. D. Drew only knocked in 68 runs this year he said it was a freakish. You know weird sort of quality out there and ordered no -- even use the word free."

" Play you know it would be didn't that's that YE that was in his explanation for sixty RBIs. His explanation was he's he's high on base guy he is not going to expand his own go out of his approach. With less than two outs in an RBI situations some players do right Arkin argot."

" He almost said that that given how successful he was offensively. It was freakish that he only knocked in that many -- he thought it was an anomaly. That bit you know a guy -- those statistics. In this lineup would almost have to knock in more than 68. He was in and I'm I'm saying this he didn't say this it was apparent to me that he was willing to dismiss this year is being the exception that proves the rule. Now this was just one of those weird years for him. His offensive numbers is LPS's averages -- says this is that. Would would lead to more runs batted in and he gave them. And and so you know he was willing to almost the overlook that number -- that number this year not. Was willing to he does overlooked he also thinks it's over rated the statistic. Runs batted."

" Said that -- Yet it's."

" I would love to does have a an extended conversation. With him about that about RBIs. Being overrated. To meet the two most important statistics are runs scored and runs batted -- That's how you went. The runs you score in the runs you knock him."

" I almost don't know what could be more important than -- you know even more than having a conversation about. Have a conversation with -- RBIs another over rated what I would like to do is moderated discussion. The two of them on the side a today -- what you think about. -- feel -- have a great time have a conversation with this about somebody who feels the complete opposite. If somebody is on the other side of the argument. And that this person has Red Sox ties DO. Things that RBIs over rated to a degree. I would love you. Moderate a discussion between the left Spain and Jim Rice the great Jim Rice. Who this with the Larry's that was on the Europe that day. Of the militia at the show with DC right and I heard the interview LB John Kerry -- on Tim and Tom -- term care so anyway. We're talking about guys who're -- hall of famers in the wait for the Hall of Fame. And Jim Rice is questioning you know what what are voters looking at anyway. You know why are certain guys hall of famers and there's certain guys are and why did take me you know fifteen years -- this guy. You know what year his first year of eligibility -- what's an impact player and what's not so I said dammit you know for example. Tony -- You'd think Tony Glenn thank you know of the year impact player. -- A very evil laugh poll gives you -- way let me teach at a game here -- in and night. You start -- targeting you targeting -- He started team with Tony. That's."

" That's I. Okay did you. I -- I'm an artist -- review. They drive and -- go on basically. All of it Tony Quinn that guy in the ninety's so that when your other. Another area for seventy with the idea being triples audit on. On based off the charts for fifty. It says oh yeah one year they wanna him to back cleanup. And they demoted him to the top of the line up could he couldn't handle it so these old school guys. Give a damn about on base percentage talked about on base percentage they -- which. And as -- at one time. The jockey didn't pay me to walk."

" And he's right -- I mean it -- but I would also say that in in modern day baseball. In it has changed. More and more general managers think the Wakefield does a source other younger general manage your that you know a lot don't we swinging at balls off the plate. If you're more likely to make -- out. An -- and in I don't wanna give up the outs I'll take the walk rather than take the chance on the."

" Right look I understand the game theory understand the strategy. But you know guys who guys who have done it at a Hall of Fame level they're guys have done it -- fame level both place. Wade Boggs. And Tony -- Grade average is great on base percentages hall of famers. Look at Jim Rice. Good on base percentage not a great. Career wise hall of Famer and there's another guy. Who who who Joe Joe puts nasty doesn't wanna put the Hall of Fame. Because. He has a -- on base percentage but I can't believe that Andre Dawson is not a hall of Famer that never Heil Bates yeah. Is MVP year. I'm -- at 330 to 49 homers 32330 someone okay. Was it a dominant. Defensive player for ten years. And a great a great power hitter. The great stolen base guy and you put it all together no it doesn't fit the formula. Quote unquote modern day baseball. But end in my opinion is still -- thanks to."

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