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Thu, 15 Oct 2009

NFL Senior Writer Vic Carucci joins the Big Show to break down the Patriots and the rest of the NFL.

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" It's not for weekly each of the NFL insider know put down you drag I don't know I don't know not at all when he and a cover accurate -- from the NFL dot kind of film network and expect -- obvious -- Almost as he has -- elevated CI guys are you. But with the iconic -- cars one of my favorites in the business journal really confident and I -- After the show is when it Davidson of -- yeah this is my boy cargo back and congress. Now it's called earlier about their Braylon Edwards and whether other teams were interest is specifically the patriots here about that'll it would situation. Where was Cleveland going in what were they trying to find."

" Well where they were going who was any place Braylon. Wasn't I mean date they wanted but they wanted to part ways with this guy are pretty much from the moment that occurred Mangini -- showed up. And I I have going to be at their their mini camp spoke with -- For whatever reason I've got a chance to know this guy for awhile Braylon talk with them and and and he would. Again I'm not sure exactly what the reasons but he would take time from the became in the rookie symposium and just. Got to know and and -- he's an iron works he's a guy who works the room he's he's right he's the he's very much a a means he always looks like he's running for office everybody you know he makes a point of you know make remembering your name and go on through all the stuff that makes you say this is this is good and this is there is -- How much focuses there on football it seems like he enjoyed being a player more than he enjoyed playing. And and that was my suspicion -- I think that's what one of the things among others. That was bothersome to the browns I talk that the new -- administration I talked with some other GMs around the league. Who said. Lot of baggage here. The browns have been trying to modem and a lot of teams were saying no because of concerns over baggage they just said this is not a guy you wanna take. So they begged off it. The jets were takers because they do have this kind of cozy relationship with the browns and and it led to them getting their quarterback and the other moves they made. -- draft day but in general this to me looks like a case where first of all he loves to be in the spotlight market that -- and and then to. Rex Ryan believes that his locker room is kind of strong enough to handle whatever this kid might bring to. They talk about another wide receiver who could actually be on the block that you might be familiar with this is there any chance to win the barriers to Toro wants. Perhaps be treatable poetry and Atlanta Tuesday I I don't really see it -- Tom I I do think. The speculation. That's been out there is logical and and multiple people. Who do what we do warrior going opposite. This trade we don't know anything for sure but while it does it seem to make the most sense of any trade that can be made right now teams that need receivers in the team going nowhere with the this investment that's been paid to six point five -- I just -- to somebody else you get something when you're gonna get nothing after the season when he does move on or whatever happens to him. And it is it's it's all adding up to like a trade that should happen but the reason I don't think it will. Is because number one. He you know who wants them first of all who really wants a -- are a market right fourteen years doesn't look like there's a lot their and toe. As bad as the relationship is between the bills in their fan base guys and I mean it's Fred this is take harking back to. To the to a fourteen days of paint ball yes really feels like that it really really feels that that in my coat and an and they hate it it and here's the other thing. There was this hatred feeling toward -- The feeling Dick Jauron is much more akin to Stevenson right personality likable guy that you look don't be your best buddy. Zero personality but not a bad you know not a guy that -- That you have a problem -- you do like -- a lot of other people that -- K he loved but -- had you know like you -- the bottom there today so there's no -- but people rip -- him to -- like they're doing -- so my point is with all its. The PR it is so horrendous in this -- that was built the now that was that the goodwill that was built by signing him taking people's money putting it in the bills bank account gaining interest. And the tickets were sold them merchandise that were sold and all the things it was sold -- related. I turn around and and ship him off it's almost like the double whammy but -- it was a circus. That's ridiculous -- and you know brickyard virtually not to talk to some video room league record of slavery had nothing. I there was no there was absolutely. No sense that he could be -- help to this demon and you know I -- have one Tellme and you might be able to guess who might have been when when he. When he signed and of course he was tied with Andre -- on the -- for third all time receiving analyst. On the thought it was kind of disgrace that the bills would allow. Him to where -- bills uniform while he surpassed foundry which."

" Course he's done on mail them to know what your -- guy we talk about it was in the teams look at how well he'll -- and how much old what what's an upset what's the downside the judge Ronald academy behind and they lost a couple -- and -- would -- No one knows what the jets out right now and that teams is there enough leadership still like the patriots have a good cool bills have no pork that's labor and nodded. Right who's got a call about who's gonna direct to you nobody so your player Tiger Woods at the jets. He made -- disrupt that you bring into the patriots. They may have an after. As drip -- com guide downfall was some but eventually phased -- in the -- this -- goes off the wall causes not focus that's the downside really."

" Tell the guy well no one else wants it can it can be I I don't know ole. The make up I'm not sure though that your your assumption that the old jail locker room can handle it is right I don't know it is like this that we don't know we're learning more. But I but the way I see it coming together their guys like parts guy guys like Chris Jenkins. I think there's some -- Kerry -- I think there are some people who sort of sort of have a decent handle. I'm what they are in what they're about you know it's if there's some. That's I'm not comparing it to because they haven't had the success which also breeds this over periods of time where where people believe and planned. That like the patriots have had over the years that obviously isn't in place with the jets but I think Rex. In his own way is is sort of you know I love it. I know like I believe it might think the guys couldn't I think the guy's gonna -- drives people crazy for and I know they think it's just he's a younger version of -- of his dad and -- for his credibility is is challenged your but I will say that's. And and look from Sunday says at all they lose three in a row and lose to a very bad bills team. Anything that you could say about Rex is over I mean I don't expected to happen but then then all bets are off his first. And I'll give you two cents on. Tennessee team at the best record in the AFC last year's off to what to do an inventory and problems is is can this all -- know Albert Haynesworth and affected Kerry Collins has returned to a pumpkin -- that is that it's. Or I don't work so. I think there's more to it I think it's a team that's left itself woefully -- in in other areas like secondary and and their secondary. Is it is probable I mean they they really can't stop anybody which is why this is going to be a get well game. Certainly for the patriots who who would needed afterward happened in Denver. And I think this when I look at -- their absence of Albert Haynesworth. It's hurtful but but not as big as bad as far as Collins goes. I don't know that he's completely turn into the pumpkin he still they're still limitations on what they have around them. And and you know there's no other answer of course the -- and there was Leo for three last week in in kind of garbage time right. And I think there's an absence of threat anywhere defense -- have no problem deal with these guys because they don't have to fear. You know at at and really -- don't think it was different last year but the head to the."

" Is it different from last year. When I watched his team one of the stone to -- similar to the giants. Ever fought for to doing. You put that front four octave make you put pressure report about -- first game against Pittsburgh -- I think yes it was like a jealous of -- don't. Where it was slick spring offensive line was you I was just said he was a function of of the Steelers Pittsburgh opera is as soon as we as a -- last year but. So what when -- there the other guys he took up a bunch of guys. VO today and outside brought into much once I mean they have supported guys now. Today on Pedro was put on active. Two -- applies to us who aperture as not to let the free. But like healthy healthy scratch last week I guess what he left it has on site I don't I don't stress and everything revolved around that that the defense and the ability with four guys shut down most things put pressure -- the package won't guys incorrigible linebackers -- runner up -- the -- they have -- bring people now the stop the good guys -- Guys who work covered -- and also our health."

" Yet -- down and quote when fitting it's doubtful ones down C recorders and safety and guitar that's correct hey what happens with. Of Vince Young salary cap that is fourteen point two which if there is no salary cap doesn't matter isn't quite right and -- three Ellis wrote ten million his way between salary and roster bonus right next year. Do you see any way in which but Adams signs off on his -- spending ten point six million."

" Yeah I I don't I I really don't beat for a couple of reasons I think number one. They they are. Alarming number one they hit they have. Shown. Through their inability to to pay for depth I think this is of this is. Looks like it is economic. As a as a move it's driven by economics is any. To leave yourself short if you work something went wrong on the budget list where they didn't address that's okay. Two and I don't think it's because we've gotta save up to pavements next year now that you could make that argument but I don't think that's the argument and I think here's the other thing. Where is this team going to be. With the likelihood now fi signal in six and if it's not already over for them as I think we were all pretty well agree it is. And on six it's really over them -- Where they -- that would who's gonna have a say in -- here and -- we do we just as safely assume that all is well with Jeff -- that goes well with -- don't argue -- thirteen for last year that I I get that he's been there a long time -- he's the longest tenured coach. But but something's really a mess and I and I almost tell you that I am not sure how much he loves I -- they did not want to go go to an extension with him. But I'm not sure how how much he's in love. With everything that's there it's there utilize over what's in his recruitment. No it and how it effects it you can you can replace that I give them and it's hard to come out from under them yet. He knows that that's devastated for so do you think he money you know he may push things to say yeah I mean there's going to be an interest in market already with all -- superstar coaches out there you know."

" In an hour -- further the Vince Young situation by pretty much acknowledging I don't know if you agree with this or not but I think were starting to see it but Michael Vick. Basically halfway house in Philadelphia is going to be closed down they're not gonna pick up that option and let them what we're about. -- Young -- les richter and it's not doing anything right now Nicole -- obviously has proven that he go an area that will be up Emeka is talking about make tablets get to Rush Limbaugh. What happened here was this. The league putting some pressure. On Dave Checketts and his group insane -- or do you think -- just finally said he'd -- it can't work right now. -- in Russia we need to get them out because Rush Limbaugh doesn't seem. At all like he's backing down if anything he's using this is in addition right now. He's talking about suing people yeah that come up with rest quotes. When as rush ever met cause that he couldn't you know Bellagio and he's taken advantage of you guys are okay bush and that's this is now he's a master at that."

" Semester that's his thing. I've yet is -- a case of -- league. A I was astounded by the way commissioner Roger Goodell handled. This by addressing it this is. Extensively as thoroughly as he did and and I thought it was on no uncertain terms that mean -- his message was clear to me. You get this guy out of your ownership group because that we are not gonna you know as a week we can't have him in there and have. Because of a separate because of the -- divisive points you know that he arrest or so it's not shortly see site of the Donovan site. I'm excited that McNabb at. And he you know he's basically saying this this blow hard who's got everybody kind of upset. Around around football. And will get more people -- got the players association upset you're going into these labor talks. It basically were Roger seeing is we don't need this so if you guys are looking to get this ownership. Transferred in and has sold the -- salt. To clean up the ownership group gave him out of it and then move forward and and a commissioner that's that's on."

" Precedent I would never thought -- got the radio that all the statements made that said these racially inflammatory things not to -- along routes and routes and and -- not improvement Ortiz it was his opinion what -- know what he's saying is I have. I was surprised it actually -- sort sort of commissioner George musical group beat the -- site -- I -- about the mistake he stayed with the on the he stayed with the record wanted yeah you know the one that could be supported in -- and -- yeah there there are as -- the backlash that others have been other quotes have been poured out their."

" That now he's challenging he would say or whatever. All that said all that said it's still it's not stunning to me. How however this came down it is is you know it through the history of football you've got all kinds of people. Involved in ownership groups that she would not want not nowhere near the National Football League in our history but but this is one case where. This guy is its kind on the record and he's out there and I'm still spot they still stick -- stunt Tom. What's your reaction to that when you heard Goodell -- they'll take that Iowa State versus just deferring the talk it's -- let's not -- on anything but what exactly."

" I was stationed at seven feet away from him when he when he launched into and and the point that he made com. You know here's the funny thing about the Don McNabb comments if they would sit in them back Q. By anybody else. You could actually have a that's prepared you could have and it's it has beaten -- can't the owners -- and and if it's an opinion that the as a liberal media. It is desirous of seeing a black where they -- stated it was said in a vacuum and it was said by. Com or somebody who's usually apolitical and -- to -- by original statement I would say you. That you could take it on one level. But I think he used that as you say Vick as the one -- was on the record. But it's illustrated about the pattern of speech by a talk radio host who admits is the best aspect of it so pointless though. I think with Mark Cuban actually -- this because it was the danger. Of having him in your ownership group -- you don't know what the next issue was gonna with a macho ritual is not right it's you know we're always gonna accredited mostly as a financial survey every about every all the cancer George Soros was on the."

" While also borrows -- what else yeah what I was gonna say and do what I wanted to say that we don't. But what. Nationally -- what we do all what we don't know what we don't know about and I would sit here and I guarantee if all of us you Portman can connected with sports and and in the NFL's long as we have all of us now talking. Could could we honestly say. And look at let's just keep it to the NFL forget about other pro sports keep in the NFL conversation go down that list of 32 teams. And tell me that we know tell each other told -- audience that we know everything. There is to know. About these owners and everything is everything's cool and there's no reason to be. And I I would say the answer is we don't we can't we be lying if we said we did it have that kind of we know some of the Philanthropic things whatever we can -- that but truthfully. To say that there would be things that we could fine if we were able to find this out not even know how you go about that necessarily but if you if you did if there were things on the record. Of existing owners how would that play with some of the players current and former who have been critical it would not yet -- fifty enough to upset the commission."

" Get a fifteen dollar weak form in which you generally know what it's it was going to be that that's the difference is like without you know of this of people I was born I don't as a society all right we're past them higher because ultimately. And the central bite back at this hour say you know if it's gays in the military I mean he might -- he's assuming and as we've got a hold on hold against the one thing that startled me about this when you're talking about the commission and that's why I think you can on it it. Is it has an awful lot to do with a collective bargaining agreement that's gonna make it enhance -- almost everything in -- the guy it's always."

" It always comes back problem comes back to business and and and looked the commissioner is about. The league being successful going through very tenuous time right now. And this could truly truly impact the bottom line. It was -- that way. For a believes but I don't -- I think gets -- I think it's irrelevant what he says going forward more concerned about. What's being and what his established. Reputation is in essence this is. This is reputation and image being brought into play in the NFL -- separate argument you can argue. Whether. What he said. Was inflammatory and much of the stuff he never did say that they are with the president commissioner made up its mind -- so it's not. It's called it's also not his call we will let's remind us also bring a reminder here that. Ownership approval. Is by the other all right available in the world and knowledgeable hearsay was outspoken in saying he would not vote for the guy meeting this week which I think -- to all shirt and they bought the commissioner do you think they got his message -- that -- is different quotes in dollars -- Does. It differently okay. But -- either way channel gyms are there Jim is is out there Thursday saying he wouldn't he wouldn't do it now what he would actually do who we don't know. But the point is it's not -- so it's not going to be brought to a vote because the pressure was applied. Who Dave Checketts group. And now this group is doesn't have -- degenerates Smith made a big deal about it met with the commissioner no question this is business idea that commissioners looking at say at the other owners -- Our agreement is actually gets more and he's telling you must tell the other east on the other owners. About eight to more Smith as involved as the which is divisive and what -- divisive speech but that's a legitimate it would turn him down as players. And former and current were outspoken about Roman Oben wrote an editorial for of the Washington Post if you saw that --"

" The talk of reform to you're asking what you're -- but it but the highlight of that was that Donovan McNabb. And one of the -- partners ESP and dump the guy because of post. Apartment but it was it was opinion. And ultimately but they -- haven't opened by -- lot of people. We believe what he said they want more black -- go to Israel won't like what happened. The voice of that that's what -- but it is. It's different it wants to be seen as the vice. While it plays like superb in the NFL play like the proverbial if you wanted to search that's that it strongly if you believe you're right. It's gonna be the people's right proposal by definition that's the -- Fortunately for the capitals opened its its politically. Politically correct or innocent this mean it's a business guys it's it's not a political entity -- though it's a business and end the first number one. Small businesses. Let's what's good for the business your imagination it's ago. Some speeches. -- I I think if they felt something was a threat to doing a CBA. Then then it's their duty to figure out that's all adult let's don't throw a hand grenade. Ensue into the negotiation it would face I mean you're any businessman would forget that with the -- do what's right or wrong about this is irrelevant what it really has. What's right it's not from the business after it said yet that what they. A lot of people talk. Show right assumed. Comets -- made more 9% wrong all the remains of what. The Apollo in the black quarterback -- one he'd like quarterbacks. Used on him is that as an example and I disagree that that yeah. The -- aggregate vote but the fact that other defective enough others especially the NFL PA. Have been insulted by these comments and don't see it as. I don't know I am not explain it I don't speak for that but I know this this is the fat. No one you know Freddie -- the what I am saying it is I am not defending them -- green what I'm telling you is this. I am telling you today if it bothered -- it bothers the negotiations if it bothers the negotiations. At its head for the business of the end of what we're trying to get through -- and this and I support in the holy by the way as an NFL fan and as someone whose business relies on this. I items fully. Foursquare behind the commissioner ever leak and the voters -- Because of Lebanese are gonna get a deal done by tossing and I possible loud mouth out there don't -- actually program. This action approach. Street is that's in Russia certainly."

" And this -- on Wednesday -- gutless and the issue like this the only reliable those good friend and it wouldn't -- we're talking about two separate subjects here -- and one of them is the protection of the business of the national went right. Which is why the commission ruled -- that's correct that's the that's correct as -- how. An honest answer -- your idol so there were about. Their business of protecting the collective bargaining agreement. And the commission was smart and that's not this site in the listen let me finish the quotes -- for a that still nobody's been able to provide audio or video. Attached to a Rush Limbaugh he was smart enough to go on that one thing everybody -- that is not gonna that is on the right about politics Blackwell. But that's separate issue and that's that's it isn't it it's a separate issue where I think were I think they're making a mistake here. And the opening up the floodgates down the road. Is the using race as an excuse if released politics it really is Limbaugh's politics -- and that's where the issue lie and make them well we we it's a danger."

" I'd hate to start guys I'd hate to start like an entirely new issue with with Fred because I think you know you have to have a marathon broadcast now. But I'll throw it out there you said politics yet what is the politics of fifth -- so I'm not offer to a just got to. Text for Fred bill but what is the problem. That's the politics I just have to conversations want to hear in the one on my opponent. What is the politics of other owners in this league the majority hours of sleep you pick it leans left or right right right obviously -- right that conservative. Financial conservatives him would be probably. Case -- all illegal."

" Also let's -- also understand and let's also orders now that that's necessarily true right now boy I wish I was I was. I would say -- I have this particular problem you have with people in big business we referred to the shift in transit what is Robert Kraft for example. Well what about this in June of 08. He has 25000 dollars the maximum to the McCain campaign. Two months later in August of 08 it's 25000 dollars to the applicant should -- business guys look at their contribution -- in the National Football League these these owners. The job is to protect their business. It's not to express their political -- like you know so that -- this off like that Freddie has 50% of commitment to help people it's not alone -- not doing that or stop a lot of people that Russia was not accurate but Oscar winner in this race because he's gonna have a bigger audience yeah but you're looking at that people that I -- The biggest quarter this this was a great career boost for him I question and the -- smart thing for him. Is if he goes out here now and starts -- legal against the people who have slandered -- yet but they do. And they can't produce other people -- rushers like the AP Russia's although it's. Occasional guy like him because there are now done because he was unable thank you for president -- I I don't know for by the I think -- like that Jack -- character in the out of towners you know a guy goes around your taken names out of people he's -- to -- it doesn't want -- oh yeah he's that he's he's gonna be -- around and you know. And so you have so and you observe it at all because it'll it'll just it'll just enhance you attention to himself I guess he's in jail. You don't want to. Is there a possibility that that's what I think about it they're going there a possibility -- was. He was the one released. -- That's what he's has become. It's not object to developers definitely you to budget all right and zip realty company that is a good business while -- heat certainly -- he did -- identical to that it actually next guest guest list. -- carefully -- phrase to actually write it don't know the names court right back in the village."

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