Ortiz Debate Goes On

" Bill thanks for the call victory and speaking of victor victors in Boston victor."

" Little letting -- White two story Gary thank you don't know."

" The victor goes the spoils."

" It is okay like a great job with that you always get other man of the people would you charity work Bernanke of the great work I'm not gonna ever give up on that. I know you I got I'm going to pull logjam in -- great guy let me keep faith -- I don't that we initially it was demand by you know -- Taiwan I can't happen. And not explaining and then they'll people who are beyond image want to let you know that president thank you. And it you know I I you don't want what you think their Red Sox Nation can't get any lower and god -- I think it is low they can be by. -- this feed them give David Ortiz a round of applause and camping yard in about a class split. -- act -- a -- form in any sport idly and now."

" I read all you're an Orioles fan and just just beat truthful about it pisses you off the people that lets us get better probation in the Orioles."

" Are not you know I edit because you don't -- this troop Baltimore has dug up the place between albeit it it what it is. You know a lot of Red Sox hit -- Mary and have a good time that a real ballpark the only well that's bilateral problem -- block I got a problem back. But you know at this and I think it they -- keys as Billy you there. All around the block but it at this -- they turn around it criticized lifespan. Brought here in our -- world everything -- many Ramirez and hypocritical I mean they're a bunch of hypocrites going and that made it big you know it's about it's about. But it stopped that's what you -- that was -- about it -- commodity you have -- I know that the debate and opinion because -- like it hypocrites when he's."

" That I mean yeah right in that I was here. Thursday night when the story broke -- and we were talking about you know upcoming road trip and I said when they get to Baltimore Friday night him."

" And -- have. Been a victim of me ask you something really yours -- right. James James -- wife right yes and does he get standing -- and use fans. All right out our audio only as he does when he makes played so they're hypocrites to."

" People don't make it -- it that you -- this question before that you any any player that does anything. -- like that -- desire to be a lot of Iraq and imposed it in particular date hasn't."

" He's a great linebacker. Not that I'm not gonna. I'm not particularly well I'm but it cultural advocate --"

" I tell I you may not chairman Abul budget under -- farm exactly you want this still has to when he's got to make right."

" You know but but don't tell now."

" But don't go out at the same breath and it criticized LA the end and I got into them."

" I -- it's one thing to be criticizing -- but. -- have -- a -- or go to butcher for Ben Roethlisberger."

" Actually no I'm not I'm that you put any particular brought about the leak."

" It helped that allegation that they admitted that they've political -- pulpit to -- complex until until -- that's not guilty."

" stroke that is what the president's. National wedding they've -- obvious being out of it but it is. I'm extremely disappointed with big bad."

" Budget always -- want him at a crowded round draft. Yeah they don't want to be your running bandit Brothers shot at stop and I thought. Wow okay but he can't win and -- the -- that you want like he's found not guilty. How are against what happens they'll have a Red Sox. Put it. Out the tape flat."

" They came out about Friday night ball most as I said this before we left there has ignited that the Red Sox fan will be tested they will apply adamant all along like they always do but the difference wives. The abolish -- fans who while we still a B plus for Ortiz goes eight couldn't watch it anyway. They booed and it would heard loud and clear and to be -- and Clara in the dark."

" Only the -- at this station and looking at to criticize that throughout the world limit demonstrated an -- as you -- describe -- directly ability to fight Al. This mystery. Supplement that he would take I want that we went to constantly put oppressed depressed property without opening up a well known that long."

" Well let let's say if you find out before they hit New York. If you -- come come forth and say we I took this this this in this now he's what he's saying he said -- my cousin David Anderson that it."

" And yet it is constantly repeat I thought -- address this question -- but the exit question if you -- I think that it."

" a guy right now in Boston they got that it probably real good athlete that the towel. In my opinion like David Ortiz. "

" If people -- compensate by yacht it was fitting is getting it is taken quite. Major League Baseball has really well we're just this post directing it let export up."

" This guy in general and I -- that you Mikey. Last week. Tech critic came out and he knew it would get it'll probably supplement that control and a debit and drove every. He couldn't get out of that you know what guys. And in 1993 I took this."

" Isn't what I took that they admit that -- politics."

" I reps so they can link media emboldening it will plow it back that rob anyone but don't -- expect -- out and beat on it now. Now he could be reactivated a situation now despite not thank you blinked and looked like more like a lot here and I never put a Nobel peace and I -- to be good guy. I'm telling you that I. That's pretty good or bad I predict that he that we believe and am I couldn't let it."

" All right -- aren't -- when this is over -- might put that with the with Ortiz and again picked us right I mean that there's going to be some more coming forth yet. On his pot I mean he's just buying time. For to get the information he says eventually that's not gonna best -- in the sales and he's gonna have to be little more definitive. And we'll get we'll get to the bottom of this."

" When it comes to the the the Ortiz in the steroid thing. It's now at the point where we know that a good many if not all of the big stars the last ten years. -- You say well okay so there are going to be liars about it you know in one form or another either by not telling. Or -- giving some misinformation down the road we also have in this country. Politicians. Some of them are beloved and some of them are hated there all liars. You know every single one of them is a liar stuff. But you'd like this guy is he's our liar or he's -- on your side of the table instead of lying on the other side of the table so you make a choice."

" I'm that's not -- you know of all of people like her it's batting actors and I would cross that this nation. And then running about it -- and hearing people in the street in and friends. You know geez I'm -- about I love the guy I love the guy right and I'll always love Lenovo lot of that I'll always love us but you can always love them. But in the back you mind they'll always -- that stigma. All of."

" He did steroids -- statement that -- bonds and McGwire. I thought I was dead for probably pujols avenge they all that they're gonna have that so and look -- as I said yeah that myself there's no more disappointing steroid use and I could get. Now than David Ortiz being guilty of of of -- This bill is by no worse baseball Red Sox fans feeling back and have in my gut that knowing that however. Because it's not a -- and his -- as they run QB or or Barry Bonds because it's the more -- of all the characters we've had here Boston. Then you say well okay it's still hurts but what do white dude right through it just hate this sideways start when this guy after all he's done here boss."

" Well Mike if if he gets -- on this in the party seems to have been right you have to hearken back that little speech that little di Leo I've Bakken in Florida in February right you know -- on and on and and and ended up with if anyone does that never mind that the game suspension they should be off for the whole year right I mean so there is that deception to. Or is that the deception and for the fact well unless at that point in time he wasn't doing it anymore and he decided well I'll find out there are now I can get caught so let's suspend how Oprah yeah let it get out I want they'll play out."

" My point is that he might be dead set against it in baseball himself. And not be you know versatile way everybody else feels about it as well at that point in time when he said that you know to 2003 to six years ago when that thing was two years ago. So and he could be changing -- and as you know what and that it OBP was there will be statistics that -- that a change of opinion. Are evident you sound like you're auditioning for his defense turn. -- writes I've been through a lot of talk and talk and myself and other people I know lot of these so bad personality traits that I had in my own life. It out a rationalizing my own existence of Dartmouth we go from victor in Boston to victory in southeast which is actually South Boston."

" Eight Nike was going on first and long time."

" Where you admits this I haven't heard present -- acknowledged that I'm actually brought in. Here call it. It was too -- I don't I --"

" Question do you think of Red Sox beat that the potential treatments you needed in the deal -- for piper -- but. Did state that the groundwork maybe laid down a potential -- off."

" And and by any chance you know what in the area what prospects we talked a while. Which were offered in which -- off the table -- we are getting it back to them."

" While since we've now with the prospect where it's not all over again with usual suspects at present while I mean they could be on this I mean obviously and and -- would be great. You know Halladay -- you know that talk with that up again in the Nazis in about a trade. So yeah I mean that planet they know I mean obviously they need another pitcher right now."

" They're not gonna get now. -- Aren't so what he's and you want to get him is that he it's not the way. I am and I know all about he's pretty damn good I get the points -- what do you want Mike and privatize what prospects and give farm we don't yet and always don't deal with the Seattle jail manatee doesn't Collison immoral because when -- we never talk about based."

" If you look at it thirteen -- all but usually that is what I think he's gonna get five team's. I don't know what it was estimated nice five team swap. You know that includes everybody their mother."

" Right -- they will you know again it's not about next -- five blunt talk about next year but it's all said and done pretty much and you know and there was something really -- like it's only gets like in the waiver -- period. But that right now I -- make about next year -- they will explore and have a pitcher smoltz won't be back. You know you don't help you don't know about --"

" I'm offer than just going nuts trying to win this one I think they're they they gotta get one more become the team of the decade you know make it one more World Series championship in oh -- Ever given three in five years now it."

" They went this year without too much contributions and mayor needs its spirit is is keeping the won't be paid to -- championship we make it."

" They're up they're all tainted only to the agreed it what it is really victor and many. I think it's it's more about the individual numbers are tainted -- than the championships because. David Ortiz biggest hit in 04 was a blooper right they had nothing to do its steroid power. You know you gotta make contacting clutch situations I don't care who you are -- not. You know you gotta gotta be able to hit the ball and -- doesn't do in the playoffs and -- and David Ortiz does and they both have. At the steroid --"

" Yeah well we talk about -- day in -- and also in what way amid a great point about well. You know how many Colorado Rockies were doing steroids that we don't know about I -- not I'm just saying disarming it may be steroid use is when a ring and -- well also with steroid use -- go back to Saint Louis -- you wanna bring that up. So you know that's that's just -- but never gonna. Totally get to the bottom of this right but it would just take the case individually and and then latest wanna -- seated big."

" Poppy hey victor tomorrow night Matt Garza's pitching do you hate him as much as I do with the spitting in the snakes face."

" Are you might evening Asians sit together and just happened is that I got my I mean. Guys thanks victor yeah have a government we'll --"

" Hey we're gonna take a quick break for a slash connect kind of junk letting you know are gonna -- was -- male female covenant. 830 OK so until then send your emails effect after that two to planet Mikey at WEEI dot com."

" I think I don't his -- the big bag on all of that crap. -- that -- really high schools. --"

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" The advantage Case Shiller. That -- beat now. It ID. ID you know tell the best -- lifting. I can't do this -- back. I'll say that. Don't ask me to take your sister. Let me down. I'd -- and -- musical community it's like yeah the episode where he -- the that. Okay mine gonna make it -- you're out there and by its related CO RU yet. It doesn't make rounds it sure you're just asked my wife. If there's an excellent attention that's. -- event."

" Marks in Somers Connecticut a place I frequent it will hold on Jennifer's first -- OJ Jennifer in Somerset mark and Summers were river very confused here that."

" I like you have Jennifer I Jennifer pay how I am liking how Lenny I'm gonna. We're talking actually and Hendry and Lou I'm like that you were able to do at least somewhat better candidate as well."

" 42 miles I set my goals high for next year we're doing 80s84 than the next here I'll do the whole thing."

" I can need to do -- spin constantly but apparently. He actually didn't."

" And what it -- at least four hours four plus hours to get two about four yeah about four hours ago 42 miles and a benefit you exercise at all. What we do a lot."

" My -- a lot and no we're currently."

" But you're gonna use you sounded healthy. Why can't she sound sexy."

" Making it -- at another point I have after a quick comment the first thing I doubt that Ortiz city wine related. Well -- an hour before the game. -- after he left to be with his ill daughter in the hospital. And kind of you know it occurred to me like. I don't know the parent to say hey you you know he kept popping up but. That was my first like -- saying how like how can you apple -- likely now he can conveniently download. You know how you -- and."

" Well offer a -- Jennifer the story was out there he found out before the gain I -- an however let's start and we talked about on the show that night -- army is better -- let him know I'm sorry that his daughter was Zell. I mean I'm not I'm knock and you know play that down -- priority but it's still he had to hear that. Before he hit it on the nose or something like that you know I mean."

" You know look I mean are backing Atlanta -- Roberts it A-Rod gently you know like well -- record kind of me and I don't I. The second question. Talk while back when Mitchell report came out that you know there's nobody on me on this report except for what was the time being very. It was they -- recent acquisitions. And there was some talk about me in question. About Mitchell committee prior ownership. Without like why didn't repeat not a natural -- me up."

" That's another weird question to this whole thing you know -- on the list but he's not in the Mitchell report. And they spent how many millions of dollars trying to research who did what."

" I'm there was there were rumors about the Red Sox getting preferential treatment and I and I write it."

" Well judgment -- was it in bed with the Red Sox. -- you know Lewis yes yeah. Not only still I believe he's still -- advisory board part of their board of directors is of the you know. And I but you a again I guess at a point that we should just get -- stunning Mitchell report they did even last the Hitler's. The names out I mean and said and I Barbara had a great line was squeezing these names out late tooth -- you know. I better analogy."

" you know I mean look. At an apparent that I had 300. -- yeah. -- Hank. Kidding that's right."

" Jennifer thank you at a cost -- later. Mark is his Somers Connecticut which -- lovely town along route nine DO and 190 in northern Connecticut to cubicles beautiful town."

" You -- mark take Mike last comic book you with thirteen years ago. It when you're at your late night show the TV show yet a TV show bill Pete go and down your board operator went article -- a joke. I don't wanna -- a weapon on air. -- note to OG."

" Say it. -- Yes -- it out and about it you know I've got about fourteen jobs since -- march so undoubtedly knows how to market it around -- led to away from things and you're. Driving in a -- isn't on the landless."

" Now you're not they're not that respect you know I the way to world before they get me you know you can be speaker thing kind of like you know. Well anyway thumb like -- and I'll I'll I'll preface that by they I love this OPEC member army yankees fan yelled back are you expand. And -- Frederick and his stuff like that being its its -- and that neither speak live but. You know I -- he would not be. -- That list. You wanna talk about eleven."

" Poland before you make any crazy guarantees and I figured he would keep clap waving your brain you're just using your opinion not. Factored here McCain -- he'd do well it true. -- I know you in jail hasn't itemize or -- camping together on -- are you so long daylight time men's department way to second Roland you say. I guarantee. He's not that list now is ever a time in your life and beyond his. Where you said I guarantee a -- that list non not. There was at all and all that was or overtime abuse that I -- to see independence. Or any cardiac. -- Raphael Palmeiro. Now -- About Roger Clemens. Now I'm not have thought I sheer lie to me."

" On the littler and Andy -- okay that's not. Would be guaranteed I -- he would not be about where our favorite New York Yankees -- agree to New York Yankees and Yankee."

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" Yeah I am kind of you might be across. But on the London crowd but you don't want -- particular piece."

" It was a small crop. Small small -- about medium sized -- Zahn now. -- killed immediately you killed maybe you artillery and everybody now you know I don't know exactly other I don't Ortiz to join it. Your boy or even if your rebuttal if you."

" I Saturday at 7% shooter what can I tell you I don't like the guy like come on as a cheater just like the rest of what it is."

" The phoney and if with the fact that he said anyone to get -- to -- a year expecting absolutely accurate yeah yeah it's that it probably Elliott looked."

" That's unavoidable my hardest match and that five retirements go -- that little speakers down right now yes Michael Vick he's probably talking bad about anybody -- mysteries dogs -- I mean it's duplicate it if if he did the stuff in 2003. And he did it go for -- and O five and ask a little seventh when he stopped noted and they started testing. I think they should make it a bigger penalty but why isn't necessarily lying about that."

" Well let them and on John McCain picked it is it's -- parker the it that you don't seem Elliot -- remember him -- the fact he prosecuted people -- according you don't the same thing court knocked up it's not the fact he did it. You know yeah well we are having issues with -- alcohol and prescription -- for a canard and I've addressed though. But that being and it is that a the people that always -- so loud it you have of being."

" you know what Marc is also remember this there's nothing in the world these -- words to remember. There's nothing more self righteous then -- reformed. Blank you fill in the blank doesn't matter what your reformed that you're gonna be so where it is a very long and I spoke on -- eyes are. Have a similar to quit smoking a year ago and you're not all there are so self righteous about the people were still spoke. Drinking the saint. Religious zealots if you haven't to why you're reformed that you're going to be -- on the soapbox scream and allowed us about it in the hypocrisy is apparent."

" I've always felt there's nothing more self righteous in -- form nine."

" no idea I know I do I know all about that once they really what's you know it's a hard habit to break towards you break it. You know you're all set Burnett but what do you the cut. Shoot you got I urged the government can I -- enough and until. I did that everybody did this. NAFTA and now I'm not -- everybody. Yugo he might be you that everybody. 34 times a year and that's the book. Do you do what you. Yeah whatever whatever the bang for the whole year."

" Ago okay. So that's going forward though because you -- honestly can't go back -- and and retro. Punishment on people who were due back in the prohibition era when people were drinking. And a prohibition and educate go back and say okay you're drinking and that was against the law back end so you gotta serve that now it's it's not retro. By the way -- and done it it's just that where it's -- That was Steve Buckley -- him I think equipment I know that that's so cool. And so we we should thank buck for a exposing what he is -- if nothing else journalist. I've got Steve Utley bus girl -- in the car. It's in the car."

" And I are honored to recognize what I've -- I -- you. You know outright and what's the problem welcome. Well you know we will be a big practically the General Motors got to work cut it would vote for it and I would and faithfully now heard Ford's sales there up. Yeah you know what -- some. I didn't hear that today actually. Had a bit than 200 well actually caught between GM which we had a phenomenal you know. -- We Atlantic does it feel to be working right the president himself. Well you know it added -- might -- indirect carbon irrigate Atlantic that you -- you know."

" That the guy that they had Sam Adams at that. Did you notice that that was right we had Jim cook it here he didn't know at that time that they've -- the at the the beer summit."

" Yep I thought I'd -- isolate that was used to it Richard I was B yeah. They can't -- was the over the red states you say well we people -- that -- Irish. What's up Mike. This all into at least it means that really the most I understand you were immediate in your shall it not been doin' it. Equally to get -- and Al in every morning and it it it -- pick -- the next year when they -- in the -- picnic table. I would stick the biggest -- at the coach you are nearly weight -- because it. Not even an -- of light. -- in the editor now. Let's talk about the fact it would -- in Minnesota. Try to track and it was -- it play all the time. Let's talk about in 2007. Pick -- Pete did say I may very well -- something that would -- and how come out that they -- very well may be one of this you are now that it did test positive for over the counter supplement. Every one is just take the guy in Britain at the club you know it's."

" It's not that they're burning amid the cross it's it's a combination of a multitude of different feelings first of all. Is or anything in this marketplace steroids aside more sacrosanct in the Richard David Ortiz. I mean this guy has eight. The the -- should die for from a public relations perspective everybody loves of he's come up with a historical big moments he's been a true hero the all time single season home run record but I but the big poppy. I. A one -- find out did any of our heroes our our human and and it's not even. Look -- spot up -- steroids for a long long time I can't sit here and tell you that I didn't think along the way well what if this ever happened. With David Ortiz or Manny you're ready to guys did that Fenway people know and -- okay. I thought about it and I thought to myself well you know whatever happens I gotta say. The same thing I'm gonna put the same. Basic category. Of anybody else that did it played this game it's destroyed any record of note in in -- history that they are cheaters okay now does that take away from the Red Sox. A championships in 0407. I think not for a lot of different reasons does it take away from David Ortiz is image of persona yes it does. There's no question about it."

" It really -- but at least. -- You do it was all polite not -- poppy you -- not. Kelly is on vacation. -- is a big issue because a lot is the although all all I couldn't believe he luckily he wrote. -- can't hide IDs and let the nasty. He didn't -- yet. He came right out what -- back and you guys it will straight I find out what it is upbeat yet."

" all love that though I thought it was at a -- Callahan Callahan was right through you know in the right to write that. Because clearly I -- going back. Through you know bad -- beats down in down in Florida. You know to say that. And then you'll are hiding your hiding securely get cut and now we get cut and gallon as a right I mean it's Ellis has a obligation right now."

" Where I disagree of them is limited -- when you tarnished the the -- championship -- okay. What about you know -- it would but the Yankees and you know when they won the pennant in 03 and we just talk about this have -- they had five guys who work roars steroid guys they had Clemens and Giambi and Sheffield -- will look -- they were all with guys it's now -- What do you duel race all the records of the other teammates were clean up."

" But okay -- but we've been -- that Yankee period I mean it's ongoing we Clemens obviously and and -- not. But now that's that's that's yesterday's nose and today's knows it's Ortiz right. I -- Yesterday was bidding the day before was it was a right well yeah and I'll be someone else tomorrow. I mean I think they -- they've got -- security guys that -- and steroids now I think they got the they -- they just -- peanut vendors and they -- which is sort of -- hospital -- guys -- category -- is -- me the right to like big -- the steroid user more than like -- register or not and and that's really that's that's the case and in -- absolutely right about that day you just feel worse about look at this is a -- should we believe Danny Davis a lot of text but he doesn't get off Scot -- obviously."

" He got it got really but let me ask you get your writer let's say it does come out this Big Papi -- a positive. -- over the counter supplement did you like that what you're thinking and see. --"

" I got so bad as sticking a needle endurance."

" Right and what I'm saying is not a -- but actually is in the morning I couldn't believe bush last week he's still there. I have the utmost respect for bush it was almost -- more in decal."

" Well that's why we have this opportunity water break give their opinions Mike thanks for the --"

" that now it sounding like everybody's trying to -- in the break as there are saying about if you're up ballistic guilty right. By definition. -- is no argument I think you know ballistic LT OK move on."

" Yeah unity you want one way to -- there's there's along the way we've had so many stories Barry Bonds said. Well -- I think I took flax seed oil would be I gave me his flax seed oil -- might have been literate and I get I didn't know yeah I didn't know is but. Everybody's at a store outlets say yes Ortiz saint text exactly that's that's reported it had its that I did it three times a coma and never -- up -- senate and ordered off."

" Now Ortiz is gonna Tryon and his lawyers in his mouth pieces are gonna try and soften the stories much response from no question about it that it it's gonna seem like. And maybe not having maybe it may be that the -- and now this is what he really took you know but again that we we need them -- fact I'm willing to give. Again I want that definitive. Press conference. He'll go nuts what would drive them walk raises this hanging over him went out to little more information."

" You know again I mean -- I'll admit it you know it is in the and early 1970s late sixties I did LSD. Okay now do I think LSD should be legal -- now. Well I will say this to you too. I have suffered absolutely no. Ramifications of that thing mentally except that the fish are tied to the --"

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