" That would have to be real the short term deal because -- angels right now thirty sick yep but I'm I'm saying. 3738. Years old next year. Then you you obviously year ago on another one year deal do we all agree as the numbers you guys said point five outfielders regional field and only once in -- name's Jason -- That if Jason Bay is not with the Red Sox action yankees overpay somebody else gives a mobile order money ends up and I -- goes to Seattle or anybody that's that. Pleased to shore. If we agrees not with them they've got to get creative. They got to think about other stuff from middle of the lineup produced. I mean we already saw. Whatever -- categorize David Ortiz -- Saudi effective I'm amazed. With Michael's hip problem at the end here and -- David Ortiz struggles at the beginning. That they 120 games over 500 at the break at tells you pitching means everything we just back to reality again I mean please -- alarm on this than that to me you may."
" I have argued that -- in the Salina probably challenge. There's only one on holiday and now back McCain on him just getting confused because. Call one doc let it called doctor -- duck whose column I'm Natalie this in the -- so if you're confused with. I'd love to have documents are and what the the but the problem is that you've got. If if what I'm reading is it's true that. A one Toronto wants an awful lot I was surprised to hear that Tony minister of this piece yesterday. You -- I'm so we're not willing to give a window for that other ball -- to negotiate. I would think it JP charity is now limiting the package he can get in richer and for dock by doing well."
" I think. I think that there's enough work to be done here in a little over two weeks mean. Let's assume that any deal asked to get done before the trading although as has been pointed out they have two more opportunities to trade him after this. They can move them in the winter or they can move them at the next -- Realizing that. As time goes by is -- decreases right because you're getting less of him in terms of what's left what you are saying is the optimum time trading well yeah I mean the early you know would the more time you have. In in dealing a player as a new team getting him under control. The more in in theory the more value he -- I think in this just a -- that talk GP about it my guess is that. This going to be difficult enough to pull off because you've got two weeks to have your scouts go out look at systems have now you weak prospects get together okay. Then you've got to go to holiday would you go to Philly would you go to Boston would you go to Saint Louis would you go to Milwaukee would go to New York. There's a lot of moving parts and I think if you introduce the 48 hour window to try to get a deal done you're making. You're you're eating into your own time and making it even more comp."
" Can give -- something have to listen and holiday yesterday listen there was whole press conference. This is just my guests and from a few phone calls I've made nationally now. I think it's just an idea. I think that Halladay and JP have been on the same page about this since the beginning -- thanks to their I think there are close and I think Halladay went to just just my guess -- went to JP DB -- years does it look. Let's talk about and they have an agreement that if they both agreed that. You know that they at least who's gonna shape up the way it usually does. It's somewhere on the and it was -- idea that he presented it to JP instead you know and JP he's taken the bullet so to speak if you read his comments so we're gonna listen heart that we never listened. --"
" Still not at a point where get me out of here you know I I think the I think that what's happened between JP and and and validate is some sort of accommodation agreement that look. If weakened get a deal done that we think makes us better long term that gives you a chance to go win somewhere. Do you wanna consider and I think looking at the standings looking at the map. Holidays look at that thing and you know now might be put a short -- right. If this is the case and it happened at the beginning of the year or somewhere along the line product I don't I think it was more reason I -- there was a sort of sitting down. In early July -- saying you know what. You know -- fallen back court and were 9/11 games out we -- three teams in front of us. Chances of us make the playoffs for a premier -- not agree. What he wanted people would let me thinking about is if they've known about this for whatever period of time if this wasn't just a revelation that he walked in GPs office a week ago whatever. And their scouts have been looking around a lot harder for awhile now I don't think so I I don't think that they've been. I mean you have regular coverage that we but the division for I don't think that I mean as -- regular regular coverage where you have and I happen no a couple of blue jays got very well. And I know that they're out there are evaluating systems as a matter of course so it's not like you Kate he says. What do you know about Casey Kelly. He's gonna get three blank stares from scouts were out on the road they already know but now you start focusing. A little bit more if he. If I want -- sending more scouts out or you you know you wisdom for a longer period. You know particularly guys in the lower minor leagues are tougher to project because -- farther away. You couldn't I mean anybody look at Clay Buchholz and say this guy's going to be pretty good Major League starter. You know less so with -- Anderson -- double A even less so with Kelly in Europe high school we have more work to do. But you know -- as a matter of course compiling a valuation -- on other systems as it is any clearly none of us know the timing except the people involved in this but what got me thinking about EST when you listen ballot he made one thing. Clear that a lot of ambiguous stuff that he says one thing clean. Is that he wants to play for a winner. And he you know that data because if he's not gonna be on a competitive team he's happy to stay where years if he's comfortable in Toronto. They like him there I don't get the sense that he's a guy. Where it's important to be in you know in a big market he use -- kind of a private guy that doesn't mean he can't pitch in Boston or New Yorker that he which I away from the pressure. But I think. You know be his personality is such that he's very happy in Toronto doesn't have to be December 10 career -- to an Emmy everybody's right every spirit by five story just it with the San headliners sub headline. Wants to pitch for a contender in the nationally because of his wanna answer. To a question was so sure I'd rather original lineup to Peter -- did you -- leaders broke billion nationally contender. Automatically let's call of Phillies even a -- and I also don't believe. Technology he would not treat him to a team in the division. But I also think it's natural that he might look for a little bit more. If he'd trade him -- you know. JP if anything it drives the price why would you eliminate the Yankees in the -- and ended that is -- not only do you want them going back and forth against one another. But you want them. You know raising the bar and everybody else."
" Absolutely so that gives that forces filly to put it better quality players -- In their packet. It's."
" Call. It one of the -- about production. You -- in the -- is that you're for the should be the only thing not the only passions it shouldn't be -- it mattered most yes in any of these discussions but let us. Yes just look at Jose offerman looking Julio Lugo look at Matt Clement. Now look at Josh packet. Now look at Mike -- Okay at the same. In all you can argue given appointment Ramirez was prohibitive for Josh Beckett ethnic Michael's money and I asked this question. Would not be smart of an organization and disorganization early early work. Which makes sense. If you look at the landscape here and obviously may provide more production he's done right. -- in good. Albeit. Most of the production has been done in course -- you could argue that point and now he's playing in one held the worst it is ball you know. What makes sense to try to will evaluate say it one archer."
" I'm what does he. You and I -- how reliant -- how does it I pitched or how does it work. I'm telling you and I'm not I don't -- an uncomfortable coming up with a figure to go up -- look at all. You're gonna do was look at numbers it's okay I'm great debate numbers right now are. No question about it. We're not talking about in a holiday. Anywhere close to what you may depend on seeing if you can get holiday because he's on a -- sale right now he's make it. Thirteen point five million and right now he's careers going down the the -- and in the end the year one thing to consider which. -- Clinton surround sound about as the Bruins know we can take -- aren't -- this umbrella genre ma at all although on all the the good news is you'll be available February 15. Right I'm in -- and work out try to get a cheaper at the wake of -- of but it -- that there. -- bring in doctor -- into the equation too when you talk about production. And will go Matt Clement. And Jose offerman I mean money ill spent as it turns out in hindsight I -- well. If you give but I it's gonna happen if you if I notice the money. And granted all the comes along with you set the bar which -- payback it -- and others. You get the money he produces. Like he's been he's still the same -- it doesn't matter if it. What you -- take -- consideration here if you read in the way you built this organization right. And I'm left out. In my rotation but the problem that you there's. You have to give. You've Sabrina the diversity question. Because. Only give up to those prospects onto it at the apartment we are really gonna have to give up every three prime problem. -- ultimately they elite prospects and one other field while we are -- let me finish so you'll. And that you have to play him. In the -- but CC sabathia money but maybe slightly. Used. It with both. Use this mine Josh Beckett extension by the way when opera based on what you. One one's gonna affect the apps because if you don't. Continue with a packet that you didn't bolster your your pictures and you replaced. And and good is Roy Halladay has been and consistent and durable and all those things. Three years older and one unanswered question. October. That's not an issue would go out they got any questions about him in October as Donna back and it's my original question like -- you're right I can't answer that question. But if you put a gun to my head out but gave me CC sabathia or Roy Halladay in a playoff game but think about is not part of the equation is it might be bad or -- be better -- If you can only go forward would one. -- to back okay I understand that argument but. So why would you give up -- and answering new production. You have to pay -- as well. Production if you like all although it did not rise is your -- what. This -- a lot of props ultimately it'll be on the line both those guys now -- that now you start at about opening that Matt Holliday is a bargain. Not at all that money plus it's early. Replace David which when they won the World Series no more talk have we forgotten."
" Everybody was ready to give up to our best prospect that gets out the correct me if from the college changed America you still have to replace. Barack."
" We found wrong they're out from under these contract now but when they want the world's original fourth they had three of those max contract guys in Pedro many urban areas. And for. -- yeah so late -- they can do that they can do without killing their entire organization. You're acted like they I've yet to sign those got those guys what did you payroll go to 167. When he does go wars that -- 04143. Something the economy's going to be. Okay -- that. Look they have their line in the sand that the gonna draw my argument with the I just don't think they're gonna go that ultimately may probably not the logic tells you know. -- building. At all well I'm all of Sam make him one simple point. Is it -- he uses at the elite level he's done it all work okay. It's well worth it report calls. -- show okay I'll speak to."
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" Seven. Happier in my contract yeah yeah. Yeah yeah. Beirut and lineups -- yeah. Are -- it's that once that I want you guys. Really. I was reading Joel Sherman's morning. OK well anyway -- points out that. The games against playoff teams that is teams leading their division this year -- Yet yup and know what their record is not -- five in fifteen and -- I was still ahead the -- they're gonna play Little League playoffs and with a bottom -- in the what. Is your whole opening 46. And 22 against everybody else. And by the -- against first place like that was your entire."
" Okay -- okay. When I don't want to get so -- in the age of right. But it might come again but behind the most -- and not -- the bottom."
" But the good news is you'll have to worry about the Red Sox are pulling the angels in the postseason right."
" I. Thought about good. -- I don't particularly want to do you want and I'm like don't you call a year. -- Would they would. -- Thank actually already announced that. He's -- over an alternate shot but I didn't I didn't. Among the highest that you as the big get in on the night and don't count and manager's name correctly frankly to its acknowledgment. -- you got it you got it right in the fourth drive which I tell yeah."
" I don't want to get an emotional out the name again I'm gonna do to -- much more important to look at. -- night. Total capital Ochoa and potential but I -- I can't duplicate ballot."
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" Right. I that we get an extra thirty now denies that three games Friday setting Sunday before the break here the Red Sox won and the Yankees loss. So the Red Sox -- three up because of that but francs on his high horse. Probably the Yankees -- predictable know he's very productive. Zednik and -- next appear to finish by net. Oh Dick oh sorry annoyed at."
" I'm good how long time listener first time caller you're welcome I got a little bit. We're on trade and I don't know what it's possible and it helped."
" Is -- the dock. Holliday trade that would. Not taken Vernon wells' contract -- we're not a good look --"
" My question is if you're Toronto. Which you wake -- on top prospects shortstop for the future. Who's the shortstop the future well I don't know -- he's going outside and thought I hadn't. It into your question yes if you accept. There might be -- I don't know -- there -- actually and let you look silly but the cardinals sure. Okay since apple who -- shortstop pitcher and catcher of the future. And if they did but also would be that -- go to that actually came. Shortstop for the future postage grotto. That the catcher of the future both the red spot and the two top prospect of the red --"
" Good lecture enemy that complicated. Had a no trade deal I I think this is that Dick I think this is complicated enough try to move. Player -- stature. And salary the man try to work that out that -- and I mean if you're talking about involving a third team. -- Say that JP return he says I love Anderson I love Buchholz. But. You know are heinous Diaz who's probably the highest rated. Close to the majors shortstop prospect the Red -- Isn't good enough I need I need you to go out and get player acts from this team that's conceivable -- its -- little also look great for that shortstop and then. Include him with -- Anderson and Bockwoldt but. Eat your your make in this pretty difficult it's already predict."
" Also look at what we know of two trades that were three team trade the Manny Ramirez trade in the Nomar trade. In those situations. You ended up with a small market team and a big market team involved. So. Ronald in the middle. They have the commodity they're the -- trade I find it hardly they're gonna need a third team and less a scenario like Sean. Just said creates itself unless some other team doesn't have. But other prospect and he's trying to get the best of all worlds from three teams and then you add in this factor. If priorities not ended up with the Red Sox why does he get the Red Sox involved unless you want to -- their prospects. Well okay well. He does want to a shortstop and deal correct that's what if the Red Sox aren't getting how and why -- given up a prime prospect for the catcher of the future. I mean you know it's tough to think about all that right now but it has happened deals done and he did it -- he did it would -- any last year I think I think did it's more likely. That the Red Sox are getting their names involved in this stepping into realty to play more of a defensive role. To try to keep the -- fortunately the yankees' ticker -- I took -- out I don't seat on -- were easy."
" I don't I don't advocate it up chamberlin a used to -- out but that ballot that the Red Sox. -- in the mightily right now -- Major League it's very very. That if they give -- a short window. For all illogical reasons that it's not gonna happen. If in the Red Sox do you know push everything to the brink we have to deal to accept that turned down. When I don't necessarily -- I think Q you've got like it becomes available I think you have everything you knew that I'd give money you know political. It just make sure. To make sure your constantly in the communication we -- So you can make sure you know where he's going and hopefully you find his way to the nationally and stay away from the American League east that's I think it'll. Because -- the Red Sox all willing to do RNC goodbye see you later with that judgment that's the only way you can. It'll probably emotion aside they look at say. Packets across the supports what the and the obvious when you made that anybody would love them in your rotation it's the mists of time commodities days. Top of the rotation east and quality is one in. I guess we agrees in the back into the prime of his careers at best reported at least it'll delete your extension that you have to age 34 all that is a fact on Spain doesn't want look at what it cost you and I heard people -- a few days about what they went -- prospects. Including your best prospect Jacoby Josh Beckett -- 26 -- right. You'd understand if it is 26 which all the promote. Them -- all -- it up all those guys. -- of the you know my I don't know about him next five or six years. My point about the commodities we all agree that it's it's prohibitive to trying to acquire or develop. One of these guys they've done both. They're required Josh Beckett and they've developed Jon Lester that the Red Sox if it -- I am more confident of the fact that you don't want. We can develop young pitchers we can develop curriculum pitchers and we control the whole list of fiscal -- at the -- Why would you not why not because you're all -- because of all that development you hope. Somebody achieves a quarter or half or two. Three quarters of which right -- has got to show the only way they become the only way cigarettes -- to do is if they did not. A real opinion. Off -- buckled which obviously. That's not the case by their actions it is -- giving him -- returns right. And you know what they were right about Lester with -- started I was wrong about that I want. But you know what and I into the but it don't get me wrong but in the long right now is well. You know the -- Lester pitching that's a good argument that's a good argue I mean if you go from. Last may to right now and take away. April from this year. You could argue that Lester is every bit as good in new England and you're not again this is where people wanna say it's not about the money is about the money -- Value they get for Lester. The him. Double digits until -- how you'll probably in my point and I thought it might only thirteen of 142004. -- but now you're making a high point and I know -- my items -- because you're talkin' about why why mortgages why you're talking value would Lester."
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