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Thu, 2 Jul 2009

Michael Holley and Michael Felger talk about the Sox comeback win in extra innings over the Orioles. The Mikes debate whether or not the game will be a trademark win for the team moving forward. The guys also discuss Jonathan Papelbon setting the franchise record for saves.

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" Several -- Rules are models are we don't get in the manager's keys are on the shell out and help our rules are you have an opportunity -- been talking about a guy off the year and in something you don't like in the you have an opportunity that. About it face to -- so to speak and no I asked them."

" I asked them. Back now I didn't know my old and a lot in a likeness. Almost vacation he had a rough night. You don't need that everyday now doing -- excuses here that art how -- kind of dog he's back in the mix today it would get played talk about. A -- stuff on the table will get the baseball on the second a big win last night yes him I was up in -- win not I was gonna say it will get. It's -- that July -- but I thought that was a big -- I misspoke here. I get to another story and second let's start off with baseball. Because there's another story here and I think we both agree there's some. There's some -- to this story a look at that second I want. I want you to tell me why you think yesterday it was a big win."

" It's just. As big as the July to July 1 sack of the divers just -- as -- as -- July -- yet but that was at you know when you. If you would panic ego deep in the playoffs you usually look back at the end of it and say. Remember that one in May remember that one and August remember back come back remember the outline what we had two strikes and down two runs in the ninth and that was one of those winds that send you wind your way. I think every pennant winning team has a handful games like that during the course of the year and I think that if you look. -- at the Red Sox become that team which is acting well you're gonna look back at yesterday and say. While there was -- or ball or Baltimore on one night table and nine run lead with the best bullpen in baseball. They come back and played gay game the day after. With their ace on the hill -- gives up five runs. Down four runs in the ninth inning going into the ninth they're down two with two out and nobody ion. And they come back and win that game you just say -- that was -- checked out one."

" I think I think fans the -- the other way that they think about the ones that got away more so than the ones that. Sent them on Iran and look at one game and say okay this got to the planet unless you unless you have a series of games down the stretch you know in 2004. The team had then -- can play 500 ball for two -- three months and then that last month and half of the season I am took off. And and supposedly. Carried -- run into the playoffs. Right up to view of the American League championships here."

" I just it was a big way this the stretch of the schedule whether it's election be separating from the Yankees they're not it's what two and a half. I think he's won seven straight okay. So the Red Sox they've been there and a stretcher of like six straight series where they've played only one team will play only one team with a winning record at Seattle and our capital based totally record the right around 500. The rest are just the dregs of the drags. And if you lose ground during the stretch well I."

" A big -- disappointing so it finished their road trip sixes and three. I game yesterday I think. This was the reason I'm kind of step away from the big win thing I'm looking at the big picture that it. And big picture is without a doubt after -- looking yesterday's game at the season. At nine run caught up that was absolutely without a doubt. The biggest -- maybe the biggest look at the season and the biggest look at the last five years it would just yesterday. You saw Josh Beckett struggle early. He set now lot of hitters and -- And then overall they and it's a game setting down 24. Orioles in a row this is what this team that scene. It is built on pitching. And it's awesome impressive performance overall was impressive opera performance aspect not really overall but in Chile -- he was they would call themselves."

" Down like he went seven innings right away game don't they had in a game where he can have his stuff. On he settles down and gives you innings because that bullpen was rather had you couldn't use the bullpen I'm telling you -- even if he had so it -- gaudy win and that's that's the gutting -- away if given up seven runs. He would have been in there for seven innings there's no way he was gonna come out of the game in the fifth to what -- perhaps that's what I think that's good stuff you know you've got a starter who. Is not his game but got to do that sort of old sort of old school showing where. You know he's not gonna have -- best copies get some runs early Republican committee is gonna keep going out there aren't doing his job Beckett did his job in the bullpen. You mentioned for clean innings war. Innings no hits five strikeouts that was the bullpen yesterday -- bite twelve hours. After imploding but Papelbon on top of that list on both nights -- the ball to say that I before he comes back out. Third straight day of pitching like -- my first time this year now I've got Beckett gutting it out you got Papelbon gutting it out you've got the team not giving up. When they watch whacked in an embarrassed the night before I mean. Again the team coming up -- to Matt Harris and embarrassing night the night before they're way down going into the night. And they dig deep it's a cliche I know when that game."

" There are a couple things going on yesterday. Arguments in the bullpen that's impressive thing. How about your way you love Julio Lugo. Coming up with the winning hit the nice around India and you'll be -- changed the right comes up -- the winning hit in the game. He ran for it was that was it Bailey. I read prepared text in the game -- the parents writer and it comes up in the eleventh inning. Yeah infielders and routine 63 but why he got it -- it gets gets the wedding he gets the winning it. And Rocco Baldelli. Pretty good bet to because can't. Yet -- that it was able to. Adam muscled that ball up the middle. And tie the game up -- the sense that it was com while he really did well at 53 I don't -- well I don't three to 032 pitch. Two outs and Jason Varitek. If your gonna around it was a ball but he may have gone around they get a break there he gets on base -- Baldelli and opportunity."

" But to get to there I mean it's so Lawson -- Youkilis hits a home run to make it 53 figured business nobody out. -- strike out it to him a second or eight Ortiz struck out bull bull obviously got two outs nobody on. Ellsbury scraps on Bailey draws a lot it was just. It's pretty good stuff."

" You know and -- Europe opinion of this. Watching the Orioles yesterday they haven't bluntly going going to ninth inning in this Libya great turn around for them not necessarily even by. Personal thing about of the first game of -- series. It was meant playing. Up through four innings of the second game of the theories it was. Men playing against boys they were able to turn it around when that game and then. Possibly win the series -- no nobody saw that coming most of their fans are actually not there. And the Red Sox fans are written their home park rooting for the Red Sox would have been it would have been an -- two out of three for them but. Ninth inning yesterday. Something to be said about playing in Boston and playing under intense scrutiny. It gives you an extra layer a scare. That some other players and other cities -- don't have. George torture pearl was going through yesterday he was always grab -- majority -- why in the brow and he's -- I mean it was a moment. The moment really got the best on some guys can go through it. Didn't come out of that moment 101520. Times a year Boston economy. 81 times a year at all in New York 81 times LP 81 times. Baltimore not so much I think it's something to be at about go to any play and."

" Loss no doubt absolutely that's a factor -- that's why but -- debate who's. In a real rough stretch right now though but I think what as to his value was affected he's proven he can play here that's a big guys and I just can't do it. And it added -- its -- got to look at Tampa. Always more seriously because they come through the same sort of thing not that they have the whole Tom pressures but they have."

" Dealt with they play with the big boys they go look at him you know at pace of praise him. Been -- I would the Red Sox not a problem as a matter of fact. They probably have confidence in the -- Red Sox definitely. And given the Red Sox out of trouble. In the last two years but again embrace the big win it's the last I can't embrace it the last game approach yet ratified yet."

" Home feeling it as HIV. And Julia I had enjoy. I was with the you to call on just I was right. Tonight's the night victory a nice -- you all. Which are pointed at the end of the year will be talk about this win in July and Baltimore don't remember it well Auburn. You'll -- Aldridge -- not only person of like remember that -- remember that stretch there are -- little checkpoints every season there are moments that yesterday it was a checkpoint but I just hear me out not every game is created equal I mean there are certain moments when you're tested. And a game can -- a certain way and a stretch can go a certain way and I think yesterday was one of those moments. Absolutely last game of a road trip you blow a big one night before you come home for ten straight against some cupcakes the Yankees to win seven straight it's just. Not every -- the same but there are subway -- even if there's a tested as a checkpoint. Others. You know we can -- destruction that direction and yesterday was one I'll just my friend embrace it -- Berlin."

" get to two things before we get the break the first thing is yesterday it -- like yesterday -- not this big win. Michael Felger yesterday we had some people kind of more emailers callers. Talking about Jonathan Papelbon he's not the same. I you can see the decline he's talking too much of the media on and on where's this letter the fastball averaged no movement on and on. You people still -- the same -- really I really want to hear from people who have a problem with Jonathan Papelbon so document file got -- I I I emailed I don't want to talk you are divided iPod is so hard to believe. That you would think that this guy. Who has blown Tuesday's all year. And it was not a big blown save. Since 2006 when he took over the job much from 2006 to the president. If you're at an end of the game Jonathan Papelbon is is in the game I feel like okay stealing."

" So you've come -- thing which you start with yesterday that why cant he keep up the level production that he did early in his career. You've come -- that I haven't come -- And the -- the Arctic about yesterday and -- that you had long. Sleepless night a -- thing I applicability until that thunderstorm completed it would wake up for the one with the thunderstorm. Whole week right yeah not your old thing that could make. I haven't wrapped adultery has to -- I was under the bed I haven't irrational fear of like -- and outlawed while that was crazy that got me up but nothing from yesterday obviously over the stuff like your time it's. Michael why not I don't wanna rehash the argument yesterday but this volume that volume to. Thank. What makes -- a guy -- only player in any sport what makes in the production. Production able to replicate. -- duplicate that production season. After season that's what makes. A player. Would make Michael Jordan only makes Kobe Bryant for some people LeBron James they're able -- certain level. Expect him to get -- here so then solidifying your opinion for me you're saying he is definitely closer job at the top but I -- audio as there's. Numbers significant numbers have slipped off his first couple of years -- the only sign of decline or do you think that that is. What is it to find out for me that well he's -- or that acceptable over -- reject Garrett I reject and that explains. -- and look forward to my baseball tutorial. Coming up I've yet to teach you the he felt a baseball lesson of the day look at surely come I don't government at some point I've been looking forward to. I reject that did that significant. Numbers have dropped offered on the -- average walks to strikeouts. This year yes okay this year and this season's not over. July -- to talk about. Already you wanna say he has slipped off from 2000. Well used to -- yesterday and you said white -- slipping actually I did not on an optimal weight easily slipped from here thousands X of course. Just that was my point so I -- that was that's one year that is his rookie year. 2006. I was at yesterday 20072008. Are you telling me doubt about -- said almost verbatim. Please read verbatim almost -- an excellent 20072000. Telling me Jonathan Papelbon. -- Repeat those numbers all I said the -- not really so -- get -- aren't that you it's almost exactly. You ordinarily defied opinion which is good because anyone expects him to be the same guy he was that very first year I think it's unrealistic and it doesn't. Yeah he's declined from -- but Tom Brady. Is gonna decline from its fifty touchdown -- and it's unfair holds what -- standard of a record year did you write that email yesterday that you know yesterday. Talking about operating -- on and it is really terrible terrible. Analogy terrible example why. Because. Operated it's something nobody in the history of football quarterback has ever done jump about like John lowest ERA in the history. A Major League Baseball to a fifteen innings 250 innings. History of Major League Baseball the lowest ERA. -- Ever yesterday to me what that -- matter what don't hear about on saying lever to -- logic here you -- out -- about self mr. But it's the same point. Like you need to make up your model what you say about that you really do. I've declined off his early years and that's why don't I'm not no he's not decline -- is -- early guy you heard five. Any -- he's not the same guy he was when he was 25 years annual. It's never give you. There may be quite a -- a year to its most of that but I think that's an epic year RBC. This is this is why --"

" And yesterday but it wouldn't you know it. He's -- early want to strike out numbers were ridiculous you're ridiculous meaning now but now I don't know its meaning for you you'll you'll take."

" What you wanna hear that you put -- on it I can guarantee you they. Don't did not look at the say what you get because at the beginning of his answer."

" He said I don't know about that Michael. Wright because they said that as well what you're thinking she. I'm glad we did we got to recycle it -- with at least one argument that was a little -- well here's the problem and I can explain it this is where the issue. You wanna go between you hear a single year in years if you say Jonathan Papelbon cannot match is production from. 2006. I agree with that but you state Jonathan Papelbon can not matches production from its early years. 200620072008. Then I'm not sure we're talking about half three years from which to choose. And -- tend -- think that. Jonathan Papelbon can't do what he did last year and 2002006. Maybe not. I won't amount."

" I think fans -- all goes back to I think fans play unreal as unrealistic expectations. On him he was a lack. Lights out. Shut down one of them 123. Twelve pitch. Closer for the first couple of years and over the last couple years Mike. Broadly he's not quite that he certainly not that this is putting a lot more guys on base I think can't look at that and say Huckabee knock on 123 anymore and are saying he's slipping and declining. And I reject that that's my opinion I still really can't figure out yours."

" the -- is also about a bad bad nobody's ever. I've used these every."

" He looked -- hockey. Obviously doesn't respect. You -- your hockey knowledge. Mike are you probably don't realize that you just said. Two -- three different things. In the last three minute athlete not as a purchaser of fans have an unrealistic unrealistic expert yes and I figured it out on. Then you said he is declining and then you said. Thirty seconds ago that he's -- declined he has some numbers have declined off the peak but I don't consider him in decline to a concern will be closer even though is not to be as dominant as he was. That crazy -- all sorts and out very simple and -- don't blame the fans were having unrealistic expectations habit and these. Expectations of Jonathan Papelbon. Because they've seen what he has done and not just for a year. It's not like he came back in 2007. And fans said well happy about the same guy he ward 2006. Even though the numbers. In 2006 were better than 2007 overall is this guy is a damn good closer. And it 2008 is that the damn bit closer to -- of some people stops and I don't know they're not they're there crazy. I."

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