" Boston Red Sox before this last regime I'm sitting in the meeting -- doctor rough there needs talking about steroids everything here we go. We're gonna see here get the whole thing if bad for you know he spends it. And says you don't you take steroids Pacific college all all winter long. You can actually get stronger and civil works so clean if you gonna take steroids once cycle won't hurt you abusing it will. He sat there for one hour and told us how to properly use steroids while with the Boston Red Sox sitting there with the rescue organization and after this -- what the heck was that. And everybody the team was -- what was that it would ours the response we got was while we know guys to take it to want to make sure the ticket the right way. No no doubt that owners and when my company that pick up the -- social both local that's that's it that's a different topic altogether the -- accessibility matter together back on the matter is."
" I -- from the baseball show on Saturday heard here -- WEEI's and seen on Comcast sports net the last regime when he mentions. Would be the previous ownership and management team. General manager Dan Duquette has responded today on the player's point dot com. In which he writes -- to clarify steroids statement on Saturday. I was told -- Maloney said the Red Sox organization were educating players how to's utilized. Steroids even though he couldn't remember the year with the doctor. That he said gave this message during my time with the team. Today he acknowledged he wasn't doctor Arthur Pappas or anyone like that but I don't work call -- was Ramon he says. -- had many meetings and talks about how bad steroids war. But this one was different it was the team acknowledging that there were people taking it. And they were trying to inform us about not abusing steroids in no way. Were they telling us to take steroids or encouraging us to do sell. Thank you Lou let's be clear the Red Sox or organization. Educated players on three specific items in regard to the -- drug education policy. One steroids should not be taken almost prescribed and administered under the care of a licensed physicians. To which they -- ticket under any other circumstances. Other than number one above. They are in violation of federal law -- drug policy administered to by MLB. And the club and there are specific sanctions fines and counseling programs. Outlined in writing in the policy which the player or any employee is subject to if detected using. And three the team also educated the players on potential health risks associated. With steroid use and abuse. I know this is a sensitive issue for players and clubs alike. And I appreciate you clarifying what he said on Saturday in his recent statement -- was a friend of mine. And I darn hard working player an analyst that I respect. But I think on Saturday. He just might have in this world number. That's Dan -- on the player's point dot com. There's Dan Duquette the former Red Sox general manager alive right now on our phone lines here -- WEI hello Dan."
" I'm doing well and you know. Again. It -- president. And organize food and everybody. Did he -- darn hard and organ player."
" You are. -- for sure you you talk about how we might have miss remembered. I've asked the question to -- numerous times this year are you sure you or call one happened that day. And he hasn't backed off. In any follow up question of thrown at him he claims that this actually. Did happen is it possible Dan because you're saying it's preposterous is it possible that it could've happened. Wins your trainers or somebody in your medical staff without may be people up top knowing what was going on."
" I don't opt out by a minute ago about the rate to visit the all the medical people were clear on the on the policy report. I I would say that I felt there was really important to educate players on the associated health risks. Associated with -- there are used and abused because let's face it there was a player's choice. It it was a teen choice is between made their choice it very clear. You can't do it against the law that you get straight to a baseball all Bianchi both."
" It's just a -- But it was running -- he's not sitting there saying that the Red Sox and this is why I think the story has gotten a little lot of man. And you must appreciate this because there are things you said over the years in your capacity is general manager that might have been. Taken out of context and lived a totally different life once they get out here in the media I'm seeing a lot of stories here again. Where Lou is being accused of actually saying that the Red Sox were telling you how to do steroids I don't think. You don't believe that and you just heard that clip from Comcast you don't believe he was doing that right. -- that he was claiming that the Red Sox were selling players how to do steroids."
" Well I think at some sort from a comment the -- and the club would never -- never doing that."
" did you ever have anybody. Committed educate. The players about steroids."
" We had people command and educate the players about the risk of you who -- been -- yesterday it. So was I I I thought that was very important because a lot of -- the third using steroids then. Didn't have a medical access to on the oracle ought to risks for the first use of steroids -- so -- problem it at a number of different sports dad I knew there was a player's choice."
" I only bring only bring over to the conversation because -- what you're saying it. Feel free to jump candidates on both -- ethic ethic what the point was was whose brought up in the sense that teams before. Steroids were illegal in the game of baseball were aware that it was going on. And what was said was in the meeting and I know we've had numerous meetings talking about the dangers of steroids and it seemed like. People realize listen these meetings used the not -- all people are still taken. And there was one specific meeting that I think a lot of people kind of surprised -- out of there because with every comment about how they -- bad for you there was a but. And we were talking about -- on the once cycle won't hurt. It is proven actually that you stay on the -- on the couch take steroids and you know. Good gains to ranks and I think a lot of people walked out of this one meeting confused and that while that was on negative about steroids and was actually talked about. Positive about steroids -- Now we just took it as well they're sinners and we know guys have taken it and if that's the case that we want to educate these guys and not to abuse it let them know this would be taken one year okay would you continue this process. That you know that it's gonna that's gonna come down her -- So we're saying basically that organizations or aware of it."
" Well you're right testing program a debate to a global. I thought the the most important part of any. Program routine that was education to reporters and educate the voters to the choices. That they were makings of a very Vick could make an educated -- And Ed and cover belt first street city. The -- current bit. We got Saturday there was implied that the club was interred there are at your door or -- you're not know what the case."
" Well and that's with people that's with people took in a minute ticket as I was saying the company was up there showing us where to put the needle. And that that wasn't the case you know like I I've explained with the analogy of you know try to teach your teenage daughter about safe sex what you're not happy that justice is having sex but at the same point you an educator how -- safe sex and by no means -- you encouraging her. To -- in sleep with every guy do you see what you're acknowledging the fact that you know what I'm not happy about but it's going on."
" What audio exactly but the clock while you're abstinent. Well popular restaurant that was made quick break -- also. And and that that was communicated first beyond that if the -- side but orbit very very understood what the rest work."
" Dan it's amazing to me that we have not had anybody from Major League Baseball. An executive from Major League Baseball. Nor MLB front office come out. And say you don't want. We were a little suspicious that. Some guys might have been doing these steroids. And yet what you're tell me what effort from others is it was a constant educational process going on to educate the players. Why would you educate the players. If you weren't suspicious that the players were actually willingness."
" Well because he couldn't get a drug policy with the players associated that's what you restrict acquires. And what a lot of testing policy. -- and would be significant economic gain for the players. The state or cry so they're there weren't really any any penalties for use because you can -- early detection."
" I understand the collective bargaining agreement and people to this day jump ball over the commissioner and yet. There obviously was the testing program in a minor league system because the commission had control over that situation did not have control over the players association. But if the league was pushing the players association. To have testing he had to be suspicious but guys were doing."
" You're -- I I would agree ridiculous."
" And white. It so why don't you think. Why is it that I always got that answer and every time I've seen it you're done with any club official lower or MLB got -- also gonna. And I always lose a surprise. I didn't."
" Another another -- interpretations to incidents of the people asking me let wasn't names of the doctor that it was a team doctors acknowledged that it was not eighteen doctor. I don't a lot of people brought in different occasions that talk about steroid use and I don't recall the guy but one thing that I do with call. Is afterwards talking with you know one of the treatment is -- step was no longer with the organizations in what was that -- well. Now we're not dumb enough to realize that guys aren't taken and if they are we want to educate them. Well on the -- not how to take it physically. But you know the problems that they -- writes if they continue with this right now."
" You know right now I've -- bet that's I think there's the F organizers expect -- the organization made a concerted effort let's get the players because I thought that was the most. Useful so we have -- and that testing program. That put some -- also."
" What you're both saying the same things and abstinence. -- people tell absence with children. But you don't want to get to disease -- get pregnant and so you. We sit down the stretch and we don't do back in the day I was at football I think if you people had happened Pope himself in the wants the law it was encouraged by some teams. But I want saudis said it was economic boom for these guys are guys out there has -- hit. Thirty home runs of -- and juices and it canopy doesn't. How much does that mean the bank in there was no teeth in the policy because it couldn't test anybody. So I thought was a good ideologues you're saying listen if you take it in overdosed on a you can get sick I mean if you're gonna take it make sure you stay within certain parameters that's just common sense -- you really what did you do distract guys."
" You're outside and and -- got a pragmatic way to look at it Mets. That's really that's really you know what --"
" She -- brought up another good point maybe is only one in the entire show today I'm the only did he he can't bring up an interesting point in that. We're looking at different time offerings. We're looking at a time now where we've gone through -- senate hearings. We have gone through suspensions. We have gone through allegations. We've gone through grand jury a testimony. Today. Now looking back at 567. Years ago. Where it was a different will supply these laws are at a laying everything out so that -- learned that there. And that probably is a little unfair to a twelve to."
" I mean there's been progress made. There -- partners may damage to a baseball regard to a policy and it. They've got testing program. And you know back then in the last couple years and you can see. The effectiveness that."
" But do what -- his -- people say how did you know. Well maybe you didn't know what you cook what can you do about it call it guidance of the measure rounds couldn't do anything. Election -- legally buying stuff I mean there's no test is not you could --"
" specifically. Would you know what what what evidence did that the player was utilizing you have. Physical up front they're under their body composition changed significantly -- In the case Brady Anderson worry picture you want home run -- mean that that was pretty clear. -- and the piano and that. Within the collective bargaining agreement worked. Tools to the club have. I don't open the club really had effective tools to deal that."
" I think -- of anything you probably just you know you had your eyes immediately. For me -- you shop at spring training of back in the day pre teen was the big thing in. And it was amazing how people around you know we let's listen preteen can't do what's going tunnel which year. So meet everybody's people saw what was going on and ended that was the point of at all that you are unaware of everything that was going on at the time it's the there was no way to to prove it's physically with testing like they have now. The same point. No we going to just turn our eyes and the guys that are taking are we going to let them know -- Bruce's you know this is the way to take and don't abuse it and whatnot onto stated people where. Aware of it and that's when it came down to delay no. What you're that meeting went on now I know that it was -- that minor -- conference meeting room now is that early big league camp was and a mildly I don't know I don't call that and that's. Suppose some people that's a huge issue but I know -- in the meeting."
" But -- either performance -- Roger Maris to. What affixed to -- it was the most Syria for the thirty so yeah so. So performances you it's the body composition of a guy comes at. As -- job next year comes at least one want to jobs. He's -- the speeches that in 34 is all -- remaining but does know. You could say that you think he's -- can't no fault Holbrooke. A private detective."
" Right exactly you have me up. You know orbited it's an employer employee relationship to them and you over in the employee has -- as well yeah."
" Yeah originally you know use that word steroids and thrown -- but it's -- on steroids as we've known now. In your aero I and my guess is that there were quite a few guys that went to -- one of these health the vitamin stores. And took something because. It's over the counter. It's located in a ball and how can it really hurt me and yet we're now finding out that'll that stuff has been. My Major League Baseball let's talk about about the -- again Dan between condemning guys now for stuff that they took. Ten years ago -- ten years ago. Could take -- not did you think twice. About. -- about one that your guys going to won't mall and a genius you're going and they are taking something that was going to be brought that was legal at the time."
" Right but it under the policy it still requires responsibility."
" Don't know what that product they've been now back that was legal like when these supplements are. That stuff was all legal -- by the league policy that was what I was playing you know in minor leagues even the big -- all this testing came up in that really connected and they took amphetamines. Became illegally game people we're going to GNC -- need. Whatever and these dietary pill true there are there going to give -- a little bit of energy -- news in the offseason to go work out before they -- also use it during the season what that stuff became a legal. Once the drug testing policy -- with a lot of guys were looking for it to everybody as green east you know. Mormon and threatening type -- hookup mean everybody's doing steroids but we're looking to create -- relative -- means that we look at for any technical data of the try to feel better about yourself."
" They do Iliescu -- it personally your reaction when you read or hear. That. Roger Clemens. Use. Our it'll alleged use out there might have been the catalyst might have been. Him being so upset that you in the Red Sox Nation when he went to Toronto how do you react to."
" I was just disappointed that we couldn't -- the same results -- Aboard these. -- Many times and oh we're trying to do -- help Roger make a transition. At that -- life. To show that he needed to do. Condition so more obvious they did it but at this point but what. You didn't do it here so."
" We whoever suspicious in the in the couple years after that winning cy young's and body make up scene in a seemingly to be quite differ."
" Well I have more to say about that another form. You write books. I'll have more to say about that and I'll have been talking."
" right now I'll autograph while Veronica you're writing a blog. Sixty minutes. We can it's not weakened sixty minutes you know we do -- anyway we have gives it to because we can -- him in Oakland likes to sing it one question electricity what's that or come again on. Let me ask -- were you surprised at your editors about Manny Ramirez. "
" I was a supporter and I wasn't surprised. But I but I would."
" And I think that's yeah I've said that before to a what I'm not surprised anymore I will be disappointed you know because you look at the guy in the -- and feelings about you know I mean and you be disappointed that it happened which is just no way to be surprising elect -- surprise and is it. It's directed many or is it just any name that pops up right now."
" Are all right I think they're you know baseball got to change the culture mr. got to get beyond that. Or it's an -- drug issue and this was. Start of the change of culture."
" They do that if if if thumb enforcement in Israel right -- the chemist you're constantly ahead of everybody else -- really -- got caught. Because. He was taken a masking agent he was taking an agent it would build up is that testosterone. After the cycle right. And apparently the test have been not as stringent as is this what probably catch up with chemist in and you talk -- players are making a lot of money they can hire expensive. They test their blood autonomy in the urine to make sure that their planes in its balance they do it."
" Well the big challenge. Right now there isn't an effective that appreciates the Olympics to bail out one didn't -- In positive in the last game so to me there's haven't. I would look into it it's a big challenge. Right now."
" Here's 10 although -- a couple people that or in eastern bloc countries in the Olympics he Songaila for America. Because and I countries they test just to beat the tests. In America -- test you get caught. You know the country's work with athletes that's why they always have a huge advantage -- sports. Is there would bring him up testing of make sure that your balances were equal so that they were win in the Olympics -- so those countries have developed tests that hot to beat. And they're probably just get -- this scientists all around that. Were now because -- athletes make millions of dollars in pay them to develop tests at the way they can beat these test it's very simple how to take supplements -- of the -- all their testosterone output."
" There started to big charge that the game that goes -- wearing the -- cited --"
" You brought up earlier com. The collective bargaining agreement and how difficult this policy was to get through to the players association. Based on Major League Baseball basking in all sorts of glory in the late ninety's. With a home run derby. And phenomenal. Seventy plus home run. Numbers. Especially after the work stoppage a couple of years before that you truly believe that internally within Major League Baseball. That owners wanted to do something about this problem. Or what they so caught up in the the the rebirth of Major League Baseball. That they were they passive about doing something about."
" Well I think they try to do something about it. Been the negotiations. When they got a collective bargaining agreement after the tiny force strike. They tried to implement a testing program in the major -- at the and the players resisted. I think after that the -- will -- important for the ministry to get back got to be in the play ball that labor peace. Was more important than any other issues that were approached the game so I think -- labor peace became their focus. And along the way. It took awhile to get a collectively bargained. Joint drug policy -- bar associations don't."
" 9899. Era but it's All-Star game here at Fenway Park. And the balls were flying out of the ballpark and everybody was just. And crossed in this thing this thing was was bigger than. Then like you really believe that they don't worships at that time. We're sitting here going we gotta do something about this week we we got problems the -- final of the ballpark."
" I would rather do run. Like a couple. -- network you ago we got out of the home run derby ribeiro that."
" Well what -- did you just impersonal and that is that if -- yeah. Careful now I am INS and obviously short. -- I obviously understand that part of it. But trust me -- they would jumping out of the ballpark is well. It regular games with McGwire -- Sosa with bonds. They've got a lot more holistic view that the Clinton by agree it was employees. Who do people want to reopen it that's up to the correct -- I don't."
" Congressman real commitment real issues like -- that the."
" But he's not he's -- just a jumper to -- garlic you say big army the only you come back from that strike I mean you know the home runs or pop and now people are saying baseball's back -- these guys are saving the game of baseball you know it in years later that book comes out his. You know obviously there's reasons for that what they were doing and what not so mean. Well ordered us into that night you got to think the other was a problem with the game was illegal to -- There was nothing to do there was no agreement there was no testing -- nothing to -- camera -- accident it is sailors post 20042005. When now we have testing. So there was no way to go after these guys and -- and opposites it was in the -- stopped doing it."
" In my portable Roger Maris had happened and when that happened like 6131. And did he -- gave him angle bracket one you have a 61 home runs to give Jews balls. -- again thanks for coming on in clarifying some of -- stuff with us in with -- you you're blogging all the -- point dot com it is due out."
" Players -- dot com in the -- took a golf course or duck cover and don't deter sports dot com and read about has successfully -- about them anyway."
" And I want a copy of the book and then somewhere down the line apparently in another medium unfortunately not with with -- and will be revealing. Everything everybody that our freedoms or. Roger on May I don't bring Ireland into -- former --"
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