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Fri, 6 Feb 2009

The guys discuss Celtics-Lakers and Cassel getting the franchise tag

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" Man that was frustrating last I still frustrated today. And it's been over for. Eleven hours. I'm still frustrated. -- frustrates you the most. Kevin Garnett fouling -- Yeah you know that's if you're gonna talk about files in. Of course if you're on the losing end of one point. One point game. You probably going to talk about many files but talk about one and you can only. Dispute ones let's say go back. Through the to the job she did you could hear your case. The plaintiff. And the defend. The topics are the the plaintive and Lakers of independence. In your honor. Always wanted to do if you look at 15. It would be that Kevin Garnett. Absolutely it was -- it was it was probably. The worst call of the game either got a bunch that yet bat."

" And I sat on -- sides there were a bunt I don't Bob Ryan's piece today was great. I mean and and I can remember which two teams it was Grizzlies then then -- wise all under. If if if if the Grizzlies and -- were playing on February night. Okay sort of see assigning these three. To this game you've got arguably the biggest regular season game in the NBA last. And you got hit there -- the -- and -- you know actually -- our game now -- are all."

" You don't want guess what I disagree because. Like they weren't good. But this is this is I'm telling you this has been the main -- we talked about it last year. Going to be talking about during this year's playoffs to. If you believe these guys -- NBA officials. I don't what you -- to go lot of your way and and say I don't want you guys going to Boston if you think there NBA officials and you think they're competent. Then I'm the -- ridiculous argument that's like saying it doesn't matter what officials he sent the Super Bowl not -- send your back so no it's not a ridiculous argument I'm saying. It's as a stop the super ball it's not the playoffs or regular is."

" Arguably the biggest regular season game and -- to regular season game and by the way on a night when there were only three other games going on. So. As as Ryan completed his column today by saying did you pick three names out of -- it RN BA official's lives lost -- Either they're competent. From the NBA's perspective there competent or they're not. If they're competent the last night I'd I'd vote for -- this is a game and February between the Lakers -- up short big gets a lot of hype surrounding it. But this is not the playoffs in the playoffs with a different systems so. I totally reject that. They should go to a playoff format in February just because the Lakers and Celtics the next -- any put together an All-Star team officials -- to pick. Your best team officials and send them I think they try to do that during the regular season and guys that last night not only do what they these."

" Guys are being evaluated night after night. So if this weren't game five of the NBA finals shorty got he got an argument but during the regular season they're all. For lack of better phrase try to get the playoffs these officials. It try to get to the finals or the Western Conference final Eastern Conference finals. And so this is one of those this is one of those games is one of those test."

" I thought that effort or you think they get as you said debate that they get to the conference finals or NBA finals my guess would be null. And self might might might follow up would be -- why assign him to this."

" I think it was one bad call that was lighting airs each one going to be going to be a bunch and a lot of games and think about this -- I think -- you and I think Bob Bryan are going away from the majors and major issue is. -- and got to personally. Don't have to there should be three they don't have the regret that they don't want -- free adult they don't they really know -- average batters they have three they got it. Because we saw the playoffs last year and we -- that happened we thought it was Eastern Conference finals when Bennett Salvatore called the."

" Phantom offensive follow on Paul -- each conference finals. So."

" Are you ever Bennett Salvatore last -- are you -- were guys that you look for because I've seen some big name officials as a pretty bad they."

" I got the NBA. There there is a pecking order if if I'm running the end there is -- pecking order there is a hierarchy. And when I'm signing my officials for the games especially when I've only got four games. I'm going to send my best officials to the game that's going to be televised nationally between that the two teams that played for the NBA finals last year I'm going to send my best crew."

" There was another nationally televised game last night the second game I am okay so. I mean look at the game of February's Lakers Celtics that's great we're all excited about it where Boston LA is excited about it the nation probably was and to a but not as much as we work. But that's all that being said I don't think that was the story of the game last night the officiating was not the story of."

" I didn't say that the cost and although I will say yes. The file against Garnett might cost in the game yeah he you have on Garnett fallout from the minute the play by play for something laughed right here."

" The of."

" While I'll give back that that there are you you basically played the last 430 yourself like that of of regulation. And of course the five minutes of overtime without Kevin Garnett do you think that the the Lakers. Would it felt that if if Colby had fouled out with -- something left in regulation would have affected their game a little bit. So. Try -- all either one."

" Now I don't understand why. It it was fort fort when he too left. The Celtics are up 95 to nine indeed three. Win when Garnett bowed out so. I was taught him you have played sports you know the last 422 without Garnett and five minutes overtime almost ten minutes without Kevin Garnett going to have to drop."

" Well at an end and luck if if it was deserved. But you say -- c'mon Kevin you can't be DO -- there isn't a person on the planet who was going to look at the tape of that answer all I can see why they call us."

" Now as it was it was at all horrible it was back -- but I think the story of the game last night was. A lot of missed opportunities. For the Celtics. Lakers to the Lakers at Boston they have the same story they'd have the same theme as the Celtics but they want. When the season series two -- so this is on the Celtics lots of missed opportunities. Beyond the missed free throws from Paul Pierce. I think the big possession of the game I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish here -- Celtics. Game is tied. Seven seconds that the Celtics have regulation the Celtics have the final shot at the basket and you know I would've done I would have gone away from Kobe Bryant. It's an -- I did understand isolation play at that moment you are you're taking your best player yes. On the floor against their best defender you don't need to do that. -- some other options out there that you can take advantage of some pretty you know average to below average defenders on the floor at the going to get a good shot you might even get a an easy basket driving or you probably get an open three and that situation I think they could've done a lot better. Design that final play I don't know that was the the design of the play but it was looking good -- I don't feel good about the Celtics going in overtime without Garnett."

" I didn't either which is flat spot but they've built a lot of that you could argue that an official's call cost the Celtics again I would argue that though what you -- I wouldn't I wouldn't have made -- I mean I attend any other way horrible call items back -- and what. The Lakers had them at the bad calls on them to be the officiating crew was bad and it works both -- okay Charlotte but I gotta tell yeah and and and I understand. On the last shot of the game. I think that was still an awful call by at least will give you that they're probably not going to call it for I'm not sure what Derek Fisher would have to do. Short because what it was put it straight arm out into the midsection of Ray Allen and prevented him from getting to where he wanted to write I don't know what more are. If constitutes foul in the NBA but at that evidently doesn't it definitely could have been called a file not surprised they didn't call me ask you this. I'll I'll play -- the grandest conspiracy theory here if they follow shooter less. Efficient than Ray Allen had been the guy -- they have called it I mean the officials actually that's two shots but put him on the line you know we're going to keep don't well."

" I don't know about that I think the if you really want to get in the conspiracy theories yet the reverse the situation. Yet to say. The Celtics are up 111 under with three seconds left and Kobe Bryant has the ball and Ray Allen does that the Kobe Bryant is -- give the line. Yeah I'm a lot of say dusty does he goes on but you know that's not a news flash either star system in the NBA. Double standard in the IR Ray Allen not part of the stars out now he's not he's not on that the star system includes up pretty much got two guys. Kobe and -- Who get who get files in the situation."

" It was -- everybody else -- it was a totally entertaining. I mean it was captivating I wasn't there was only -- TV but the energy levels sounded. Off the charts at the garden. I guess they were chanting beat LA before the game never got Dolan and you know chanting MVP yet Paul Pierce and not a Kobe."

" Yeah it was it was it was a prevented the the frustrating thing necessarily the official the frustrating thing was that it was preventable. There are so many situations and so Medea points in the game where. The Celtics could have taken control of it and they didn't. I'm where I'm at a criticized -- on this to what now appears that a good job. In the last you know minute minute and a half. And and most of overtime defending Kobe did a good job on him but it seemed like there was a two -- three minute stretch where he didn't think. They Kobe wanted to pick threes because he wasn't going to drive the celtics' defense with that it. It wasn't going to be a good percentage I would have I think he -- driven a fairly okay because KG was out of that okay look at what happened drive. How would rather I would rather Kobe drive take a top two. Then take that three that wasn't contested enough. The first couple times. Kobe took it over Pearce Pearce wasn't in his -- and out and and I remember Doug Collins saying. He needs to crowd more -- agree but the more."

" Well Lamar Odom admitted that when KG went out he was going a little more. It changed how he played at that point because as he said you know KG might be the toughest guy he plays against in the whole league. I think it pierce said had gotten up any space Kobe would have tried to get around us aren't out of made it out."

" Make it out I'll give you two rather than three -- I don't want Kobe taken threes. The -- with space. I would rather get in his face. He drives around me the Celtics are well schooled on defense played great team defense somebody's going to help out. Maybe you're not going to stop Kobe but you give up to rather than three in an a game like at a game like that last night would you rather give up to entry."

" Especially the way it turned out out. I gotta admit at least two of those three Walpole. Lot of shot it was like -- don't give space. I don't want to give you space and I -- he played a great. Toward the end of the game when there was nowhere for Kobe to go to wind -- An antitrust bodies albeit. But you care and that type of game you know I was going to conduct the -- on that game it is -- Europe the three ball and it wasn't just peers. There there are a lot of guys who were who were popping threes uncontested threes. And that that's gotta be tough for Doc Rivers taking that after the game that they didn't play well and I am guessing. He's going to focus on some of the defensive lapse there. Defending the three point you'd think that that I mean that would always you know and the officials and officials were Babbitt that to me bacon of overcome the officials -- display their game. Yeah it'll get on the take it one despite the benefit."

" Absolutely I'd I don't discriminate that's what. I I don't -- that Michael but that doesn't take away from the fact. That that was just that was horrible idea David stern has got to be sick in his office if they -- in his office this morning at his house last night watching TNT on all."

" Probably not. Probably not you know why is it if he thought that he would have done something about it mastered going into this year -- sacrament church -- testimony here's my testimony. I saw the Celtics -- women MBA title. With bad officiating. I saw them go all the way to the championship. With -- bad officiating and every single round. So you're you're telling me they couldn't win a game in February at home. With. You know you know BB level. Perceived level."

" I'm not sure that was -- On I don't know how many levels the NBA has among its officiating crews whatever whatever number it is that was as -- was again. I'm not so sure I'm I'm telling you this is this is a problem in the league. Officiating is bad is bad. For awhile. I'm going to be all the bad during the playoffs due to -- it is too. You know that this -- it it really glorious thing you know but the fact that the guy and I know well all talking about it and in April may. Going to be all over the place today we will talk would Bruins defenseman Dennis Wideman late run on the program. A Bruins won in Ottawa last night for three in a shoot out you know about Celtics game we've been talking about that there's NFL news both here and abroad. -- Todd Haley has apparently accepted the Chiefs offer to become the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs now Tony Gonzales said. That you know if they brought -- Kirk -- he's not interest that Wednesday and but now I guess he's okay because they're bringing in a pro guy in haley's and I guess I'll go talk to Scott pioli I don't want to go now on what's going to happen there that's not going to last long. It's just that is that a -- Eilat. The Patriots yesterday placed the up franchise tag on Matt Cassel. And and you know I -- this was what I was talking about with -- we're -- across all our. In in the previous cases where they utilized the franchise tag. They were negotiating with this play with the player. Vinatieri. Tebucky Jones society's annual negotiating try to come up with a long term deal so they didn't have to use the franchise tag. Negotiations continued they went right up until the end and finally the Patriots couldn't get a deal done it's okay we got put tag. As I said to playing yesterday that trying to negotiate a deal with Matt Cassel. They're not gonna negotiated deal with Matt Cassel there's no reason for them to wait to put the franchise tag on him because there are no negotiations ongoing. I wasn't a bit surprised when they just that it -- with that there was nothing to be gained by not doing."

" I'm gonna say something that I may regret saying. For the rest of my life. -- to do I really want to do this talk me out of it before it okay don't I am going to do with them a moment. Her -- from Fall River. But Dennis and Callahan was born."

" And he made a point he made it -- he really -- it marked contrast that."

" Very good point those guys something to do with the Patriots being too cheap to pay now I'm just guessing I thought I wasn't it that was and it and those guys dismissed it -- Now we all expect. Matt -- to be treated but -- from recess. Why don't we assume that he's definitely going to be traded and not be a Patriot widely assumed that there is no doubt in my mind that he's going to be ultra. -- zero -- in time. This team. An asset to this point just when you think you -- in the Patriot day never do this. They always do this. They won't take a running back in the first they won't take a linebacker in the top ten they won't want a spot atop by epic they won't promote this guy they wanted don't know. So I'm I'm -- expect I don't expect Matt Cassel will be playing in New England next year. If Tom Brady hasn't sat back -- any thing happens with Tom Brady. And -- an eight figure it out. In the next week week and a half that something's really wrong with Brady and he won't be available for them. At the beginning of the 2009 season -- your quarterback. Matt Cassel not not playing at fourteen point 65 million dollars but -- a quarterback."

" As as John Dennis said this morning at one point and and it it is the only. A -- animal put the short of Tom Brady stepping in front of a box. Here in the next couple weeks. Matt Cassel will not be on this football team -- it is it is incredibly bad football business. To tie up that much of your salary cap into position don't have to. How do you not you don't have I would Matt Cassel sign a long term a -- shorter money deal to be the back up here. Which it what is going to be eventually."

" Either way you know once and you can give him a good contract in the vacuum fourteen million dollars. Well all the way you don't have to have a fourteen million dollar cap number you can you have the right to do anything that this is this is -- the franchise tag is good fourteen. You can move it and you can just do nothing and let another team sign him to be 21 round pick which one which happened. Or you can sign this player to a deal that as the little more cap friendly."

" Okay you're Matt Cassel. You're guaranteed right now fourteen point six million dollars for next year. I mean you've been toiling in this game for a long time you made 500000. Dollars last year. Let's raise the money every human ain't right but let's be honest I mean. You are guaranteed fourteen point six million dollars next year why would you."

" It's not a pay cut you know getting a -- I understand that but it's not fourteen point six million dollars you can you can you can construct a deal for Matt Cassel and let me just -- I don't expect it happened I think it's it's ready. Shortsighted to say it won't happen we're dealing with this team and we don't know what the status is of Tom Brady we have no idea. We've heard the reports that -- the Patriots expect him back but they are setbacks. With with these injuries we don't know what's going to happen but I am saying. You can have a deal was. Matt Cassel were you given to when he million dollars in bonuses. And it cap number two -- million dollars so he's making six million dollars more than that franchise tag. Guaranteed money you can guarantee him one of fourteen million dollars and still haven't. Be very cap for an."

" Here's why can't do what if you're the Patriots -- disagree with. You then make it harder to trade him. Because eventually you're gonna want to trade him. You're gonna trade him out which team who's gonna get to negotiate its deal. With Matt Cassel whatever that dealers and I don't know what it will be but he'll he'll probably be guaranteed at least twenty million if not more. They get to negotiate the deal they know exactly what terms are you sign into a contract. That's what the -- of acquiring team is now going to get no matter what the terms are they want and that's what they're going to have to do I just don't think that'll happen I think. I I've never thought he was gonna -- and you don't I know you don't think he's going to be here read I don't I think."

" The only way he's here. And this is something I don't think is a % chance don't think it's hit by a -- chance you know 1%. Less than 1%. I think there's a 15% -- That he could be here in 2009 because we don't know about operating out of the Patriots want to go lot of character. And give us hourly updates on Brady's rehab then I'll take it down to 1% % but but until they do that. There's always that thought in the back in my mind that you know Tom Brady may not be ready at the beginning of the season. And they may -- and I and by the Patriots now they may not be ready they have a job over the -- that -- McConnell --"

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