" Fourth and final hour Dennis and Callahan if you hitless in his program for the last eleven plus years. You already know the jury and I are very fond of very many attorneys web -- that. Notable exception are very favored barrister our friend -- that ordinary how are you. -- we young we -- you with the intent of discussing. Plaxico Burress situation and we will -- get to that but Terry something just crossed my desk. And I think this goes right to the head of mark questions for you. -- dateline Las Vegas this just in state authorities are recommending. That OJ Simpson. Be sentenced to eighteen years in prison. For the gunpoint robbery and kidnapping of two sports memory beer. Billion dealers lawyers for the former NFL star however are asking judge Jackie glass for the minimum prison term. Of six years which he said that's him on Friday. Wow we're stealing his own rap is our lucky -- right. People are are granting six is the best he can do in the states asking for eighteen to what happens on Friday."
" How about twelve I'll take twelve. Yeah I -- I got enough energy guys sitting in for eleven hours with -- Urge our listeners softly. Off the roof well that is daily Illini were about to lead -- and holding her to jump off the roof over and I think it avenue would WV EI told headquartered. When a kid and and it was it was wanted to you know the justice system. I like to say it's always rough justice that works about 90% of the time in 10% of the time it doesn't work that that was the most egregious. -- result it's seed in my lifetime. I I can do it killed them they -- from the dead -- the blood test. And for him to get off to -- he did which is the perfect or a bad judge of that prosecutors. About a jury about everything. Bad media bad everything and preemptive. To get off -- you know back dead -- and you guys were there to -- as I remember listening to yet but I can -- Alt always cut consoled ourselves with people that believe in decency for all people. In it very treatment especially for protect spectacle that can't win and the calls. Gently and and that is some date disguise what will give him. He'll do himself it and god bless he had a couple of false starts I doubted Florida and elsewhere but --"
" They're going to have a wonderful Christmas -- all over in the golden Cassel. I just imagine. Can you imagine Jerry do you think into the -- little -- it's got. That they got the Heisman do they get to keep all the other Joe memento really OJ's still."
" What about a Katie -- streak. Top dog he can really talk to click it any is absolutely not he's the biggest uncle Thomas we all know the entire world and yet when he. When he gets into prison. Wait wait wait till he tries so it is OJ tricks on the people are -- series cartel. People would didn't have every advantage to this man is so. You think that will be an over the land well no I don't think so because of the nature of the cry in -- And it sort memorabilia. And you know nobody was shot and -- and it is don't murder here there's no blood. There was a guiding clearly see he wanted to play tough and he knew about the guy that it didn't shake these guys down. So it's about to cry what what really -- that I I think somethin' double digit I'm good with double digit. Just. Since well mom gave those -- goes eleven I'm good with whatever."
" Do you think the number will in any way relate to what happened or didn't happen in the murder trial the."
" I don't think I don't think yeah of course it can not. And -- just glad -- go out to great expect to say it could not it does not affect me at all but of course the dugout. -- you know. Obviously it was as we all remember. He was fouled by a preponderance of the evidence the civil standard to have murdered a gold and and and is -- an -- like it civil trial. -- tried to eight fair a jury trying to prepare judge. Any sound -- that -- an appetizer to the evidence means more probable that not killed them both. And that any tried that case and so are you bet that I think that -- is considered that he was adjudicated. As having -- had been a totally responsible for the deaths of these two people to -- of course can not be considered but how how could you not know."
" Nothing nothing wrong with a good ol' -- make up call in my opinion they."
" We didn't NFL everywhere --"
" on two plaques on to the latest. Criminal case here I needed help me out Harry causes a lot of stories a lot of coverage of this. Of this incident and I don't see any way he gets off I mean I guess you could have."
" Like you said the perfect storm with -- OJ but with a mandatory minimum and with them -- insisting. They enforced the rules he or do not give him special treatment. How does how does Plaxico squirm out of this one."
" If he doesn't get off Terry he's charged you know we'll see you with the grand jury indictment -- but. With the police charged him with -- with two felony class C felony counts one. They haven't won that says that you know he possessed illegal firearm with intent to use -- unlawfully. Yet to prove intent and that's kind of tough up again what is just possession outside almost illegal firearms that that's an. -- Okay and that and that second one -- saying it's a classic sonic -- carries this century they have to. To fifteen -- on -- under that under the section 2653. And your penal code so. You know he's he's been so what do you have to do now is you know let let time -- ask let the story holdout and -- lawyer. -- spirits criminal lawyer go into the prosecutors say what's the best we get the Spirit to Spirit New York all the expense. Spared all the discoveries -- everything what what's the bench giving we will let it we want to copped to a misdemeanor some."
" Then they ticket do that with the -- involvement."
" I think it's going to be really hard -- with with with this because you know depict people are being arrested all the time in any at. And elsewhere on illegal gun charges that big a law enforcement priority. If you if if you let me. NFL star 35 million dollar wide receivers Super Bowl star. Are optimistic here you are really creating a rock precedent that every defense lawyer. -- who will be you know keep people out trying cases in the in the criminal courts in bad apple say hey wait a second. I'm not I'm not capital classy I think treatment of Plaxico so I think you're right -- I. I'm -- if if if I were. You know power representing Plaxico here I would just I would I'd put all my cards on the table -- I would make -- she jumped through hoops you know the late. I used to represent the late great Bob -- and all his players which is how I got into this best of represented all these people and Bobby used to tell me. I -- love you and your exorbitant fees Jerry if I could talk a ball in the that it can't be held. Beckett packed everyone in my player that abetted dementieva. -- you go -- New York Giants and nightclub at 115 and one of them as. Are loaded. Clock in. Is -- yet."
" And Mary who ultimately will decide if Plaxico camp lead down the second part of that question is who influences that person who decides whether he can what plead out."
" Deputy district attorney of of -- at the New York City will have the final say and and that person out will have to decide -- What what Spirit of these particular facts Plaxico has history he has the rest history I don't know they're unable to access is criminal conviction additional he has a criminal record but certainly he has domestic issues they're built and stuff. Several of visits by the at least it was house. So so first you have to treat the defended fairly. End and the second is the larger issue of the cherry pointed out what what is his -- for for law enforcement in general this is -- this debate illegal. -- loaded firearm in a public crowded place. It's Plaxico. You know it's you know he shot himself but. Really fortunate to -- somebody else because. If that bullet had penetrated cocktail waitresses. You know a -- Worse internal organs and she is dead now he'd be looking at murder want."
" And what do you think of mandatory minimums do they enforce them. Do that I how many what percentage of people who get caught with a really -- going to Manhattan. Duke free and happy as or Massachusetts what percentage do that the year this man -- and."
" I don't know carry in bed at night just -- I'm playing well well but you know and that it's easy to do here a year I think all of mandatory. Minimums that are enforced. And that's what the word mandatory means like -- to law is excellent. That's what the whole federal except federal sentencing guidelines are about to to put some sort of constraint. On the judiciary to say look here's the -- minimum you have to make all kind of specific by fighting to deviate and it's worked well in the federal system. And so especially with respect to. Due to illegal firearms that's pretty consistent that you have mandatory minimums -- my experience has yet. That it judiciary forces."
" If -- Benjamin rampant and Plaxico looks you what those puppy dog guy is through the through the gels they'll actually posted on. As says Harry I mean bet. Tell me what the game plan is what do you tell your client."
" You're -- to do Plaxico first and foremost. We're going to have to deal with the criminal process that keep your eye on the ball we have. We have three things that we have to deal with we got to deal with first criminal process and that is. First and foremost keep your. Rear end out of display of to do everything I can't keep you let -- and I would give up everything I can't keep you let it just beat the accurate gently to. I have to keep my I under contract -- to things that are a lot of New York Giants to avoid. Guaranteed portion of the contract and like the Falcons did with Michael Vick come after you for the eleven million new party pocketed. The 27 million that zodiac got to keep my -- And that too -- ticket manager career what's going to happen do you think it's a -- yet decided that and that's 123 in those orders in you're going to have to really really -- pay attention to teach art in. Boat load of trouble."
" Do you think affected us teammate Stephen Smith was held up allegedly at gunpoint the night before or maybe two nights before. Will be part of Plaxico story that -- threatened I needed to have this weapon with me."
" But it doesn't get it anyway gotta -- it may. Help or intent debate topic sentence saying that I felt threatened have a celebrity but it doesn't dispatches suspected you're not allowed to carry an illegal fire. Loaded none of them and it's that simple and any haven't expired Florida got -- did not have a New York license -- register. You know right now I just read that the -- security police in his township perspective trade that it just turned a weapon over the clock over to ATF god knows where that clock came truck is hit it back clocked in. And prompt. Source that incident other criminal activity that there's going to be a whole -- the -- And -- collateral with that the -- collateral damage to Antonio Pierce. I you know who was who was with him and the question with respect what Tony Pierce's he had an accessory after the fact. He clearly you know helped -- to create the weapon. He you know -- there was there's clearly a cover up the the Doctor Who failed to report the -- rule that the hospital has been suspended. So there are going to be cut collateral consequences I don't think they're going to charged. Antonio Pierce would be an accessory after the fact but they're clearly going to break -- and said what what what what did you do here who told you to do what in. And what that -- his contract status is is it is not clear. At this point leader Ahmad Bradshaw was in the club and I don't think -- legend in the Ahmad Bradshaw was part of the effort to conceal the cried after."
" You see more these kind of stories than anybody and no more. Athletes and troubled you believe that this athlete. Hospital and -- doctor to play play along."
" Jerry I I can't tell you number of times I've been amazed by it treatment. That my client every big east of the favorable treatment. And you know we've talked about it on. And Dennis and telling -- years that that's part of the culture. And the mentality of professional athletes and movie stars in media people that. They feel. Invulnerable and he can not happen -- that so that have been vulnerable come bulletproof. I'm going to stick a loaded clocked in. Our sweat pants cause I want to look cooler whatever the purpose Plaxico had. Maybe it was you know afraid of something who knows but I wouldn't do occasional like -- let get away with certain I don't get away with that you know a -- edited maybe."
" And it took I still true power speed soon."
" To a -- handle it I think -- 4% of my but my certified billion that's his job to go find -- everything will be fine."
" It's just -- like -- like like Jason Bourne would do going to dark and catch me out in the hotel about it a lot of hair."
" They were to eat it looked pretty blunt their seat Plaxico and Antonio. About what we're to drive they knew -- to do with anybody. I -- it yet no alias Aerosmith is completely ready to go and you know but it didn't work and he's he's -- isn't Michael Vick land right."
" From the doctors kitchen on the table like three commission on a whiskey I didn't just pass me I thought I gotta get out."
" expect you to expand. Sexy -- just talent I discredit -- story on which he set up my own worst enemy and you know he knows that he's had a history of issues in. You know I I represent a lot of agents that represent at least as an agent to represent these guys that refuse to do agent work I ever have been. Agent in life -- that would be agent practiced -- these guys do. The bourses and rows -- houses in these these agents who basically. You know are responsible for every piece of these guys lives of -- beast especially inspired. Again and and you know -- There's a short drew rosenhaus has try he talked to Plaxico. And say you know he had a couple breaks here. You know -- spent a whole bunch of time. -- have done this you've done it's Plaxico played 35 million -- look what happened Michael -- under a million dollars. And now expect erupted in jail scrapped another state charge. You know maybe someday he'll come back like that repeated St. don't do it but you can do the top tier below in the states and and is it to to no effect on some people on this list."
" flooding is plus the level it was bullet proof that he proved this by wasn't that confident that so that's an area that I gotta say what we had a conversation with you were smarter after we talked to you and for that we thank you -- the best of the business -- in with Dennis and Callahan very we'll talk you down the road. And you Harry met Dennis and Callahan."
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