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Thu, 30 Oct 2008

Vic Carucci joins The Big Show to discuss the Patriots and Fred Smerlas' bid to get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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" I've just at least in the house joining does. He gently there's irony addiction or NFL it's. Below. What happened. The ghost writer by a nose. Victor -- he has and I felt I don't treat me like a ghost that Asia is it that we are at which I'm away for Eagles were not doing our show it Gillette on Monday in Somalia that your cancer rate pops up on film and -- doesn't resentment in curses. He -- the TV. It was a rough won't girl but I wonder commentary can you go singletary and somebody is going to be very. Or bush definitely come when -- the case -- dog singletary is much more on. Well they're both -- fund what effect -- swiped. Although I can't I've decided that it was because they've what do fart what do fire went after ascent somebody."

" Goal. -- that. I don't know if you this -- all cheap shots. How that would be appropriate that third dropping a surprise you that we surprised at the schedule says we're is that it's. After that that's not open. Are you could -- you know what's the last -- affect you terror into the guys that. Oh yeah and they scattered throughout the country got -- about it that resonates. You know I like Mike singletary have a lot of respect form I think. And certainly as as a player and and Fred knows this -- policy really does raise a quality person. Who did truly when you see it leave it all out there and and action and all the state. Sometimes though that doesn't translate very well the coaching and I and I see a guy. Who is much that he did I I spent a lot of time talking with him about Patrick Willis that the fine young linebacker for the foreigners. Break it down his game and and although little finer techniques and he really did wonders to help the skit. But now you're the you're the US CEO now you've got to look at the big picture. And I think what is happened to Mike singletary is some things it would happen. Probably to Fred to camp halted so of people I -- who told me this that they could never coach in this league. Because they would end up probably really trying to hurt one of those players because that's it they wouldn't be able to get through to them or communicate -- I think Michael's Mike singletary melt down over Vernon Davis was reflective of not just one guy but -- an attitude. That makes him mystery you know really makes -- sick. Which this trophy which you use it as a school for the latest in a bit when a high school can't you can't YouTube deal with a high school kids NFL guys were getting you do doctor for ice. But I apologize it's it. But but I felt -- league keeping the Pacers that can. Yeah now getting paid it embarrass you can openers you can affairs while. To -- do publicly that's the other problem that publicly apologize giveaways today out about it he tried his hand to lock him. During halftime -- and allegedly I don't know he admits it. If that I used my -- that illustrate that we were getting our tails -- on Sunday and humility that should be legal he demonstrated apparently there was getting. That -- Help you call somebody out what you call somebody out then then turn around -- already were all in this together it's a team. The news that were."

" But this is what I don't typically -- the streets they arranged Vick this is orders don't -- to a point that he was. He was drawing the players that played together as what -- you -- really named the cancer. There's a lot of camps throughout the fortunately this I don't know -- all but singletary. Is one of the great live football time key players. And I apparently saying it's just these said he had a -- public offer he can't but I I've I've plot them because people get sick and tired of guys drag my -- not -- plastic and it got to applaud them for that. But is what happens is you might in -- the scrutiny because Java guy with the Colts you know."

" While -- that it you're right his intentions. I think where are in the right place we we as fans and and observers and anybody play the game coach the game general manager. You you want that standard to be put in place you want to standard of excellence but the problem with doing that and going so overboard and saying. This really you whether he can use these exact words but he basically said the problem with this team. Is the attitude of these players okay fine you've said that that means your coaching is going to be fine even if he didn't say that and I don't think Mike necessarily meant. That he is coach you would be perfect but you as you say you put those comments out there you put yourself on the line so any further. Judgments about that football team are going to keep that in mind if -- if he screws up decision making you know and and other things that coaches are scrutinized. Vick now I ask you about opens Wilfork you surprised he talked his way out of the situation -- night was at the film -- get a warning besides the fine what's happening here. You know -- my understanding is that it's these are all taken I'm case by case I think a lot of people at least around the country -- probably -- to a certain extent. Were wondering if the if the body of work. -- Last last week he was in Pittsburgh and I haven't been there too when he was talking notre -- Malo and and Hines Ward about the stuff that was wild Steelers. He said we true we -- take these case by case we give the players special player comes in for the hearing. It is not. Just to come in and go through the motions. Vince have an opportunity to speak. Video might have corroborated some of the things he said if in the judgment of the commissioner and gene Washington is involved in this process and Andrea Anderson. When they kind of put their heads together that was the conclusion but ice and you talked events over the years and you know he's very charming guy. Extremely. You'd think most tackle sometimes are and that we -- that I emphasized except that's what happens to be right so but you and so. So do you think did Vince Wilfork because Z that timing amiable guy friendly guy -- and not an. Issue --"

" Hopes of a lot -- answers the like for did you know that Fred appeal is his demographic is about sixty and over. They always well definitely we did -- book signings are they're out this or we did both -- book signings if -- work and there were a lot of people and I will tell you it's definitely crowded around him. 2000 people at one point at some mall we are at and and his -- fall off. But most of the demographic was 65 to 85 and my sadly I don't -- a lot of Marat now. Did talk the talk about two of the no actually exceptionally appeal to -- the editorial debate and they bring a baked goods true. And there it is generated -- water there are five Melanie show up but -- These weather folk yeah everything's for Buffalo elderly victories the Buffalo like to Berrian -- thirty by the I think what our go to they want 35 and they just -- eighty -- he's of people that -- of the Buffalo Bills of the all American football conference and -- isn't I've never saw anybody get more gifts are going to the book with Kelly opening game yesterday just want the autograph stuff. The quality field. By the way did you gradually -- dominated once again -- Very well aware of that and and congratulations and you there're of several. Buffalo. He went on that list Bruce Smith I've ever read. Our Ralph Wilson. The bottom of the season the Patriots ex Patriots their money don't want it to the death of."

" Christmas and over. Some of the guys. One of the guys it. On -- is. -- casket -- you know that's horrible one of them yeah especially lately that Buffalo is -- recently special teams -- that's what if he gets -- who's the Buffalo guy with the with the club here as the Ron -- you lose -- Atlanta and all know what the other guy that the person who is this is the -- Rochester Buffalo. No it's kaput it's not that it's a mark on from the Buffalo news fine writer he replaced on the bills beat. For the Buffalo news when I -- articles on different that the question okay with W -- I yeah I do you favor --"

" The reason I ask is it is you know and I'm not a student of -- but and went -- I was in the room and when I was with -- indelicate last year. At the at at the Weston in with Korea and the end up the phone call. And in the first receive Hank was with one -- Right run boy -- works out here so I know I know now advocates are very important I I have. In that room and I'll actually be at it again this year -- they they brought him Woody -- the villainous. For definitely -- well aged adolescents they would if somebody you don't hear that -- care right -- what he would stand up and say vote for Elway adequate enough well it."

" I -- argument couple couple in you released mostly everything in the room but I give a couple of anecdotes just does talk about it as a fighter and has helped us that's -- they're going to book may get. I thought I thought in your spiritual element -- it is. Sometimes your advocate. In -- advocate again I mean the representative of the team. For which you played most your career. And that's the that there were 32 of those orders and then there's like a bunch like myself that would be like art category alternates that's the art. It in in that. That person is vital to your chances you estimate the components beat. We are you're there's no use of video tape there's no use of -- I -- earlier -- that was mostly to make -- and it's I had the -- exactly as -- it's supposed to be your mental highlight real avid sports to be how you were -- percent this now there was -- admire -- he's since -- Myron -- remember him yeah all right there and that's why it's published on -- or. For years. John Stallworth and and -- Were going nowhere on their nominations and I said in for the two years that neither that that swine was still -- and their. And you know I think to myself why aren't these guys in wise it's one and it was just like. Baffling to -- a group like these guys okay some sit there and I'm just this is my first year and it remind did much more listening and speaking. He get and I and a lot of the reason Myron cope. Would drawn I'm about these guys hey it's such a way that he -- he could drunk at trump what. Our rights -- he drawn so hard yards were bleeding role and it got so bad okay got so bad. That eventually -- when they were not voted on again. After that session at bats of David forward that's the rule is he -- articles have to -- who -- who is the now the guy for the Pittsburgh. They were post gazette said -- I'm going to resign from this committee I think I'm killing these guys. It's funny it's not that it's me and for the sake of those guys kitten and -- want to resign and turn it over to you at the hall prove that so -- took over pitcher of swat gets and an insult eventually gets. So that's the kind of project to answer your question but about the power yes that's the power politics it's all but with a note that -- proud I don't know. The club now -- going to know that your credit facility it was a case to a -- Yeah there's -- of yours cases very presentable. Is it that you can't cares here's the deal you you have to it's pretty simple I think. If you applies this logic and and I'm I'm not one who came up with this line this is from Michael Bonn and Washington Post but he said the story. If you can if you can't. If you if you if you afterward -- notice it when you -- writing the history of the NFL. If you have to include even a sentence or paragraph. About this particular player that he's all the paper if you can get by without mentioning that person in right in the history of football. This on going history of football and he's probably not a good camp so. I think in the case of of -- not just because he's there because he's met me. I think it's I think you have to include them because he changed the game. At the time became Italy and had -- don't like early call early called it was the initial you know we're very first I would recognize that position. And then went and I'll tell how much you change your game running the 34 Buffalo. With a guy expose their I was cover the Philadelphia Eagles first before ever -- fright as a matter while I was -- Eagles rookie year but. But they were they sent as an assistant coach Fred you remember to to Buffalo's camp. During the during. Training camp to observe the 34 as they were going to go to it in with Charlie Johnson it's and they want to learn. From how the bills are chuck -- used -- the how to use Charlie Johnson --"

" But Vick I think they discriminate that the people who discriminate the 34. I I don't think people have looked at that the fans and talked about how it changed the entire game of football -- networks are right and get some teams that using it prominently. Because he's -- which faded out its comeback when you hit a 34 or not everybody can coach bill but the game changes dramatically because your -- Yeah did differently for each guy smells it all -- don't know what that they're looking at exactly so I mean. What is your nose tackle all right you know. Not almost that it's -- right it's that it's that it's -- essentially."

" And and I heard the argument while many nose tackle has to go at first it would have to be locker curly -- but I was old. He would be a senior committee guys and now you still qualify as his quote the regular category it doesn't matter your injury I don't as a senior for how does that work -- of time after a -- on atomic you know what I don't have the bylaws for army but there is a specified amount of time. That if you haven't been you get moved in this category. And and what part network through quickest in August about a week or two after the induction is a special meeting of senior committee of overs. And and those writers Greg meeting can't. And select from a list of possibilities. And -- and and that guy is added to the overall list that will be pared down to the to the final fifteen only one. Usually just want from us and just so clearly it through maybe to do so and as it is the pro football fame not the NFL. It which is all football and and not development team into account the litigants screwed because ultimately scored in the NFL is -- Yeah you know yeah it's it's that's the hard part about this is. Stats I mean if you like you look at certain players and you say well what about their numbers in. CF fell what about their numbers in. USFL whenever you know considering Jim Kelly. -- Our our. Not national -- the old National Football League in and then the American football league and it it took some it took some real doing to get a guy like Billy show off for a you know for a bill. Outstanding offensive -- but if if he if he qualifies that a guy like Jack -- certainly the numbers he put up for San Diego and Buffalo and championships that he won. Should make him I think an automatic and it doesn't and the senior. Aspect last quick thing to where it would with you know with Fred is. Now they'll go the way championship contribution and and F that's now he fell while he fell in an era. Where he'd just left the bills for San Francisco and then for England. Right right when the bills went off from there aborted it launched his super it was Florida Rhoden. But broke because they didn't win those Super Bowls. But the an effort that it hurt I was on the team that that it makes Fred's case that that they were stopped Iran ultimately makes his case that Howard's figured that a guy named. Armistice -- excellent approach. -- right the Ed -- out -- there -- interest -- and Jeff and Jeff got he won because I wrote a column right before the first Super Bowl. Just kind of talking about the difficulty of living in the hero for its rules are all the stuff cycle in the locker room at Tampa. Okay and and I've written this piece and then they lost obviously the nature of the game incredible corporate. Jeff Wright is is glaring beat down from one -- locker room it's like common at these like ready to take to kill me on somewhat locker. Michael -- steps in front of them kind of kind of walks them back to his locker and turns around to -- And says Vick people must separate now want to work the other. Room I don't -- I Bartlett -- just say no well and."

" One last question I'll at this moment but for every five time all pro. I don't know how many five time all pro players -- not mojo I don't know adequate to -- I was 5. My number all your kicker to tackle and -- nosed. That's got the ball yeah."

" And more games were big and and and and I think it's really important note that he made he made his last one. In the latter part part of -- 1988 he came up with was a great season overcoming. One and you know -- came in there and try to change a lot of schools out to a fourteen it's out of it rolled into fourteen and nobody yet you know. I so let's get to the bottom line suggests that you used electric against him anymore I CU BU the glory objective in this one. What do you think -- chant of -- what a lot of Christian I don't know what are his chances of getting in this year next year the year rafters senior committee hell -- over I think now I think I think the chances there could have because the recognition is there I've talked with. Markets I talk -- time he's he's a great friend and colleague but very professional about this this is really the outpouring of our own personal. -- not at all not nothing and he he made some great cases for like the wobble or and you know he helped and of course Shuler false or did to help with the bag but there everybody talks about and that's the other argument to a for -- makes it. Fred should make it an arsenal Super Bowl -- there either just a lot of good or individual cop cars. You know so so the cases have been made what it is is that it's the track it's a little bit of it it's not a gigantic traffic GM you gotta give percent of the way you might have to get Andre away from the Superbowl teams and that shut that down Marv -- and -- Jim -- there. Bruce Andrei -- already in there that might be the extent of that group. And then you know it's it's left so that there's the with the call a clean up. And Freddy could fall in the cleanup category if he doesn't you know -- it it always is about -- it always about who else is out there. Going net and and they come up with a five or six names it's a it's a little bit can be maddening process. You know some sometimes have been people the room were more like baseball writers that football writers because but they represent their newspaper for a 152 years so they sit there and they're really not fans of the game and it's a little frustrated and I don't know what to look at the stats it's. --"

" Well again I think when you look at the 34 UCL a few players that played that three -- middle linebacker is Harry constant that's that's amazing with the tenth -- there really is amazing to me and again I don't think people know what -- we are a lot of times -- when people look at Seymour. In this situation Richard Seymour people can't understand why such a great player and -- or Zito and United it has motivated but he tackles ebony sex. What was happening you know and then in last week people wondering. Why is coming off the tragedies all over the quarterback what we know Jarvis Green. And it keeping event in nickel packages the keeping him in another you know other -- I was I was also passed in the attack and some aren't so it's -- I want to ask about the a -- about the Colts the Colts -- three -- war. We're going to see him this week they could very easily. He wanted to six because you look at that Houston game. And what was the the other game it was a bizarre and finished well again though not Minnesota Minnesota yeah -- don't -- they -- lost. Both of those games. But both coaches and and quarterback used screwed that all up on it. It's not -- trip should should they be -- the Patriots be worried about the expression when you hate."

" Manning back there yes they should I was in Tennessee Monday night and and watch that game pretty closely -- that's time. Before halftime talk with -- pulley of men and just -- you know feel for where. Things are with this team and and of course they lose yet another player gets -- injured for them. But when you when you look at that game. I mean there were two dropped interceptions. Clean I mean if they picked those passes off by the Colts. That's a different ball game and it would it would have been interesting to see how. Carrick calls -- reacted to that circumstance but. By and large they did a very good job against one of the best the best rushing team in football and Tennessee the defining part of their offense. Albert Haynesworth. Did not and I made some plays but he -- right they wore him down he didn't get in there at -- you saw him make the plays as the -- felt -- that -- like that so quickly they weren't what that was our strategy I mean they were there -- work I'm I'm wearing him down pace and been -- pick up the pace a little bit. And he's capable of doing that Manning. So very worried this is a Colts team they were desperate go to that game they've they've probably squandered the chance to win their division. Now they gotta be thinking playoffs and they got to be thinking that's a pretty stacked deck in the AFC east with possibilities. That that's a pretty stacked -- in May be in the AFC north with possibilities to give them to get that wild card spot. So that this is is he always must as it gets an and I I don't think they've they've caved I don't think they've surrendered to anything. I do think they're extremely beat up. But I I would say they're pretty exactly I think they're pretty evenly matched that they need his game musicals they know they do it's it's a -- and I -- which shot it would it would real I passing shot -- but I'd be mark at least mildly surprised that it."

" McLemore but that particular matchup would -- Warriors against. One another sub rewards are 314. Absolutely -- the coaches. I -- that I dentist who's on the Boston. -- please please please and while at same time that totally got a lot a lot of -- at what a system a lot more criticism and the noise that took possession hey I gotta tell you want to think others about it to anyone think that wouldn't help your year hall chances very much. So -- koskie. You number -- congregate there last night -- to. Last one you know he did you call them names you called I was at electric which they -- last -- in this last. Night. Was the induction of the greater Buffalo all the things which of course for its -- as a member. And Andy the head Murkowski was was one that he's on with their it was Johnston others in Pittsburgh -- the worst record. And they're showing a big video on the screen and and it's Murkowski scrambling at a game in orchard park. And so Fred comes flying well moving upfield at him and and you see Fred. It you know arm filling in these crank it up -- takes one step to the inside. Fred goes four yards past them because -- credit for it did throughout routed -- better better runner or credit and then because -- probably slides he's doubt and that about. It's five seconds later in the scream Cubs -- Looked up at east sixth right it's all users like rotted the hustle and movement. And I was just going to -- she. In game play it's. You were you guys want all the outfield yet. The Padilla -- the lines were in -- in the rough. One bowl. Game and I -- for that excuse replace him too -- because I -- let's let it actually very Brothers about it is it -- victory -- treatment and felt that you know little things during the."

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