" Kind of off for not kind of a flat out frustrating game last night in Kansas City. Frustrating on on a couple of levels. Clay Buchholz is frustrating right now he justice. You know -- and I'll agree with -- one thing I heard Michael Felger said this morning. You expect Mora and part of that is is the burden he Bears. Because the you know went out and throw a no hitter when he was a young kid in the rookie Ian and you know all of a sudden he becomes the no hitter pitcher and I'm not sure our expectations were realistic. But I think we all expected more so but Colts frustrates me I mean when I watch him. I think he's going to be better than he has at this point I still think he's going to be really good someday he's just not where I thought he'd be at this."
" Well how does disagree on this. Justice on this point he's cute so I don't expect a lot out of even though he threw a no hitter last year in September against the Orioles. We're going to see a learning curve with -- with Clay Buchholz and the only thing you hope for. Is that when he gets few hundred in twenty if he gets that far 12025. Innings you see a big difference."
" Right right. In April this year I don't think he's at eight. Now he had accidentally left L stint he had the time you know in the minors where they sent him down to work on his fastball on ballot stop which. He doesn't seem to want to throw that much -- lately."
" I think he's talented young kid who's the fifth starter so whatever you think of any fifth starter. Throughout the major leagues that's you to pick of debacle that's what I. I never know what I'm going to get out anybody that starter. Whether it's the Red Sox -- the the rays bit or Kansas city's. And if you get a good performance you say okay that's opponents. You know they would never admit this managers would never admit it. I think they go into those starts to those games. Thinking if we win today's game with our number five guy going. We've we've got the bonus."
" Well especially if your number five guy happens to be pitching against the other team's number one guy. Who's been -- and who's been pitching great lately. You know your your not your your likely not going to give Clay Buchholz a lot of run support when you're facing -- match and I know we have this image of Kansas City. Justly earned you know that they're not very good team and or not but they've been playing really really well hero might ask the white."
" Sox yeah they've planned some for them for them it's great baseball. Off for most of last night it was a distance dreadful game yeah. -- even if you're Kansas City fan I don't know if it was the 20000 plus in the stands. Just -- lack of energy overall or or just the way things go in Kansas City, Missouri."
" I don't know are definitely it's five million degrees when your plan. But I really wasn't. Intrigued by the game and doubtless one though it's more at times weird ninth inning. I mean oh yeah and weird wacky now technically. I do understand that technically. Jason Bay now has hit all of his games as a member of the Boston Red Sox. -- that's -- weird in the ninth inning wasn't well. -- ground ball and the infield while we do in theological that we should be glad I didn't in the game yet. He makes the final out of the game and made we have a different conversation when the ball left on Casey's bat I thought that's doubled in the corner. I mean I you couldn't see where the outfielders were playing in the shot that that and we -- the minute left the -- on a double on the corner and going to scored at least two. Course work out in -- the thing pity I didn't get the call now I don't know. And so I listed at 1 o'clock what time you start with that they'll two. I don't I didn't hear it it's a problem o'clock here feel depressed."
" Game down one of those days. There's still. Remnants although not a lot more there's some remnants of of Manny talk. Thankfully I think that died down a little bit here today a little it's it's more along the lines of you know -- this team going to be this is your team from this point forward. You know this is the group you're going to. Theoretically go to the playoffs -- and hopefully deep into the playoffs. They'll tweak it a little bit here and there both papers today say Theo is still in pursuit of some relief help Alaskan about that. -- when he joins us at 1235. I think they are I think they'd like -- a couple of things straightened out. The the -- Tony nazis' peace in the late editions of The Herald started. About David Ortiz it made me very nervous while the way and does it mean I didn't it didn't as much you know where doctors told him look you're going to feel this once and awhile. In other words there wasn't anything unexpected. With him feeling a click in the rest because the doctors had already told him this going to happen from time to time."
" Okay but let me ask you this -- if if this is to be expected. Why did he bring it up."
" Because he and Tony -- pretty tight you -- in the globe you know Tony wrote a book -- them two guys you know sit their after the game and I felt like there. I I I have a feeling it's more like that I."
" I don't know made it fits if there's a normal thing that you wouldn't bring it up and you wouldn't say it's a concern. Which is what he said. It is safe to deep concern to my season is going to be over. But early in the at bat he heard a -- and he he said something to the event I'm paraphrasing. It's something that that concerns you when it happens. He says. You feel that clicked and you get a little concerned about it quote unquote okay so. If that -- get a little concerned about the doctors told you you hear this one personal and and that's okay your inexperience says it's normal. Then. If you come back and say get a little concerned about it maybe. Either you don't trust the doctors are that much or this is something that the doctors -- cup. So yeah I'll probably watch in this story it didn't make me -- read about now for Tony -- get the scope."
" All absolutely as just at again you know you read the headline your reads the the open of the story and I'm gone all god now and then as I went along -- along okay thought this would be the case and you know he was told to expect this and he has not looked like he's baby this thing at all I mean I've seen him make some awkward swings lately. But they seemed more in terms of both you know. Bad decision making on breaking pitch away -- that sort of thing I haven't seen him make awkward swings are I want all the rest okay so. He got lucky hadn't hit very."
" Hero Kelly hasn't -- I don't. I don't worry about the wrist as much as I do -- approach now. Is is the Manny trade it is it. Is -- thinking. I'm not going to get the same pitches and maybe go in there and you say man he's -- behind me anymore so now they're not going to pitch to me it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The ball can be right on the plate. You're dynamic in the pitches to hit because -- here right we've seen don't have pitches to hit. He just hadn't hit."
" see that to me. Maybe he started too hot coming off the DL because he's at like 360 in his first 34 games off the DL yours at all. I mean this guy doesn't need any time at all. Maybe that was unrealistic you know maybe things catch up a little bit timing you know still isn't where it needs to be yet -- I agree with you. He's had more pitches to hit the he's enabled him lately. I'm I'm -- innocent he's kitten. And seen him."
" I can -- he's not getting this is not that Barry Bonds treatment of of 2001 in 2002. They're going to walk and 25270. Times. I -- I don't think. I don't only teams are approaching him like that right now I -- like they can get them out."
" And they are for the most part here lately they are the last four games. Especially. Now because the last four games also happen to be to fourteen -- the Ramirez trade. They're going to be people out there going to kotsay. -- body can't hit."
" You know what an in just just over clearer this. And this is not a commentary on Barry Bonds and his cheating in Balco and Alice. This is the commentary on that approach because most of the time when you hear people say. He's he's going to be like bonds they're not going to pitch to long because he has no protection. What does go back and Jack. The record. The Sampras with the Giants when Barry Bonds is there when they didn't pitch -- they were pitching to Jeff Kent native pitched to their pitching to. Edgardo Alfonzo and and whoever else they had behind Barry Bonds. Is that the San Francisco Giants when the 2002 World Series teams -- taken that approach and it was working. Of the Giants were still winning right so if the Red Sox. Have. -- have that problem with David Ortiz if some teams say which -- David Ortiz. You still win it. They're they're they're competent. Major League hitters behind David Ortiz. "
" And in some cases more than competent. Kevin Youkilis is a very good Major League hitter. Jason Bay is a very major I imagine a true is that very good Major League -- not just. You know competent not just you know average major leaguers are good hitters I agree that he completely they've got guys it's not like -- You know all of a sudden you you get past David Ortiz in the next guy in the lineup you know is is Rob Bowen. Of the Oakland -- who's a buck 92 I mean you don't have that sort of guy. Where you got some guys play in that way right now I'll work pupil rob I'll order from guys on this -- and ask him that well that. I don't know -- that place on this week and that's all but you've got some guys -- Scotland and I agree there's been a lot of discussion about what this team would be like. If you could yet Jacoby Ellsbury playing like Jacoby Ellsbury Tony -- writes about it and herald today. Effort people talking about it on on the station. And I am an unabashed Jacoby Ellsbury and everybody knows that night I think this kid's going to be a star at the Major League level. He's got to get him playing in that they can hit better. They they ultimately is -- points out they're going to be a better team when they can move this got to the top of the batting order have been leading off and doing the things he was doing. Last October. And early on this year where he was of course he's not a force at all right."
" Every championship run has its own story I mean for teams who won multiple championships. They don't want to talk about I mean if your failed have a team that's won multiple championships in on talking about. You follow the Patriots in each of the the three Super Bowls has has different meaning to you that season met some Cynthia. Well if the Red Sox are fortunate enough to win a championship this year. The story here will be. Getting by winning a championship and a transitional year which is almost impossible that was very typical I mean you talk about Clay Buchholz earlier. Here's a -- it just a kid they put him in the rotation and they said you gotta help us here. Just a little bit not carry -- but yet to help us. And then you have Jon Lester who has emerged and they put up -- that we're counting on you to do something got to be at least one of our top four guy. I have to be the number three number to get him number war at least they have got seized it runway they have Jacoby Ellsbury in there and this is our plan. The beginning of the season and then the wild card the -- Was something we dealt with last week which is the trade of Manny Ramirez so if you can do all these things have all these things in blocks and win a championship. That's how dynasties are built. Because usually it takes a few years. Do you like it to develop a new personality for a championship team they are able to make this a seamless transition. And win another title. Then. Catherine of the book and Terry."
" Well I don't know I don't know mask came up with this or if it was somebody else that they herald. But the box that accompanies Tony's. Ellsbury story today he's just I -- Delicate Jacoby Ellsbury through June 50. When he's hitting 289 is on base percentage is 373. He's got. 33 stolen bases I mean through June 15 the Red Sox -- 44 and 28. And he as the straw that stirs the drink. From June 15 until today. He's hitting 27 team. You know he's only got two stolen bases is on base percentage is 245. And the Red Sox are twenty and 21. They're scoring half -- running game lasts. I mean when when Terry Francona says our best lineup is ultimately going to be with. Which Jacoby Ellsbury -- top of the batting order well that's what he's talking about those things that question. Is hurt. I think he has I think remember that all the rest the rest thing I think he's a came back what -- past."
" And you know maybe maybe this kid and he maybe needs to rest or maybe he's gonna DL well let me."
" And and let me point to something that I think may be at work here. David Ortiz goes down. Many suddenly decides -- and a lot means are bothering me I'd rather DH. We talked about how Sean Casey trying to get screwed little bit because those were at bats we thought Casey was going to get. I think Jacoby Ellsbury got heart. Because when they might have taken up five games six games seven game stretch -- you know Jacoby you take that risk you just go sit over there and you get yourself better. They couldn't do. Many wasn't in the outfield they had to play Ellsbury in the outfield basically everyday. And crisp at the same time they weren't in a position where they can take out just go sit down. Get your rest batter I think he was playing through stop that that he probably wouldn't have been under normal circumstances."
" Yeah and they would never come out and say this guys -- it doesn't help them. And it and it certainly helps the opponent. So you can't come out and say. You know when he fouling out in the outfield he hasn't in the same since then but. You see it as my man says from the Ravens you you can see it. He's not the same player."
" And they need him to be the same player and you know I'm hoping they get an opportunity to rest this guy a little -- And I don't know if resting in a little bit will make that wrist feel better not bought my gut feeling is that's a big part of what's what's going on here well thank break."
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