8-4-08 Adam Vinatieri for the HOF?

" Parents in -- hey Aaron. How are you."

" Despite the common but the NFL all famous first call to scrape -- that was just that what class what grace. Just boosting well -- felt. In terms of future Patriots for the NFL I got -- and Adam Vinatieri. This guard. -- contributions he -- much. Trick company like over twenty game winning field goals in the last minute of the game. You know winning Super Bowls I just think that he would be the -- the second kicker in on --"

" Well I was saying I don't I don't I don't think so me think about Vinatieri. Then you think about some of the guys. That he has competed against some of the other kickers. Thing about both Anderson's -- and Morton. Do you think. He gets -- over those guys."

" OK what about game winning field goals like the last minute clutch field goals."

" Well we're looking at all as you look at that period the clutch kicker because of what he did. A primarily you know three games standout. Super Bowls 36 and 38 and of course the the snowball last in Foxboro stadium. All right. What what do you know about Gary Anderson's. Clutch history I know what I know that when he messed commitment. Said Minnesota's desirable but but but my point is we we follow Vinatieri for so many years so we know all the stats we don't know Morten -- that. We don't know Gary Anderson's that."

" I don't know either domestic in terms of I think about about you know recent Patriot history in terms of players of standout. Who just. You know were -- franchise type players. Without them. They put on very differently in my opinion that it came all. Adam Vinatieri comes leaps to mind but you know just behind Tom Brady. In terms of somebody who really made game changing."

" As. That I can go to I gotta be honest when you're talking about a guy who was involved in six or seven plays a game. Even if he's great at those 67 plays even apiece clutch and there's no doubt about dignitaries. Watched -- I mean it's hard for me to put him in the same category as a quarterback who's out there and that's why."

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" If you and I document you're just you're next in sports here and I don't. Know but it here's here's here's the point with kickers in -- this is why so typical. And NY. You don't have a great. Great honor like -- guy. And all of say okay. These guys are looking at it and saying. A kicker they're all I guess they're all dependent positions he can't be great quarterback not a grew up with a lot -- great running back. Without a great up at the line can't be a great receiver the quarterback -- the ball. Kickers and -- especially kickers. Look at at at players were put in a position to do something. So. If you're talking and I Adam Vinatieri. He's he's he's in his credit he's been put in position to do something bottom. Guys like Tom Brady and guys like Richard Seymour and Tedy Bruschi Rodney around and Troy Brown. So it's really hard to say he's right behind Tom Brady. When he's really. I mean he is doing his job. But a lot of a lot of people have done their jobs so Adam Vinatieri can do here."

" that's you just got to point out that's that's that. -- function of being on -- game and everybody is putting everybody else. As if they're going to look at their Colin request but deliver on. Look into its I don't it's up it's up. Argument to make Fleury is -- a role player -- the kicker but I just think he's well."

" I get no argument around these parts about Adam Vinatieri and and and his candidacy for the Hall of Fame I think a lot of people in these parts I just think win when they're sitting in whatever Super Bowl city there's certain that Mets Saturday morning. And those guys going to that meeting room. A lot of -- going to have a hard time taken a guy who as I said is involved in 4567. Plays a game. Even when he's great at those plays and put him in the hall fine."

" Yeah I think. What they're going to have to come up with. You know you know Andre Tippett gave credit to Ron -- for presenting its case and present a great way where -- just overwhelming -- that yet. Well so -- is going to do that with a kicker -- gonna have to come up with. Some advanced. Statistics. Is not just this guy has right X amount of game winning field goals. Or it in the case of a partner with the -- guy didn't have to say. When ray guy I was putting. Average starting position for the other team was. He was able to you know put a defensive position to be as great as they were -- or overs -- that was. You just can't go with the than normal stats because I think people just glaze over their their eyes plays in the thing and the -- to -- with. Here with that I've done soccer so we can move on to the real players like -- talk about a quarter Andre Tippett."