" Welcome back DN CAA. Notre Joe tiger helped us out. Is told him as a Roddy. On the hotline don't him as a body of the Boston Herald Tony ally yeah. Dario Tony what's happened I think this thanks for the Red Sox ultimately why because -- worse today than they were yesterday all because of one jerk."
" I don't think there's any question might it's. Talent wise. They were a better team. 434 days ago you know I don't want to take two days ago but it didn't play particularly well on Wednesday night. But. What I mean it it's clearly this is. An attempt to rid themselves of the headache. And I don't. I don't know what people are saying about Jason today I I can -- he's a good player he's no Manny Ramirez. Not that there are many people lot. He's a better teammate than met Manny Ramirez he's a better all around player than Manny Ramirez. But he's not going to provide the kind of protection in the line -- that a guy like me -- did. And -- this team's going to win now they're going to have to win in a different way and and to this point they've given no indication that they can win low scoring games. Or lower scoring game. And now it. Obviously it's just move ahead in which you can do but. You know may have Manning -- a force and the that would regardless of whether his ability to put the little bit but I've. I've maintained brought this whole process that I I think he can biggest pain in the -- as anybody I believe that is. -- has slipped from what I know what I kept them and I would have picked up the option until. That is that I don't have to deal them everyday like like management and clearly they've had to."
" Tony unload on some level and as you just alluded to did you think this is kind of the point of no return when. The players are going to management and saying we we can't deal with this anymore. And some of the things this year that have been out of character for him that have really been pushed in the line even further than it's ever been before and they really didn't know what they were going to get out of him out over the last couple months of the season -- you understand the line of thinking with all that stuff that this was aware situation and government."
" Until I I think it you know you'd have to be foolish not to understand that there's no question that he opinion that in the in the spot. But I I also think and and eloquent when the players speak like -- that's pretty revealing -- because more more often than not. It's the situation where they say hey look as -- he goes out and hits we don't care and I think that a large majority of -- kind of bought and they did that. At the same time. That different from anything middle and I I think history is shown that when this type of thing blew up. That eventually it would subsided meeting with a -- hit again and and and they would just move on because ultimately that all professionals now I when they say they don't know what they would've gotten from a over the final two months. I I'd I'd still disagree with that I think that's no matter what happened here are Manning had to play this time there was no way around that and if you he would have damaged his valuable marketability on the trade market considerably. If he didn't play whether he's going to place he wanted to be or not and I guarantee that. If he tried to pull something. The Red Sox certainly good but not a not a belt would have mattered but. His agent would have been on them. Because Scott Boras is not going to let any -- slide down the drain on me so I I -- there's no way to predict that and I can tell you that's that the Red Sox were. They won it also make a deal with Kansas City for Ron Mahay. That involved Brandon Bob and they felt like they couldn't make that deal Independent of whether -- immunity deal. It felt like it could make the deal until they got rid of many because. They were afraid that if -- decided to go if Waller MIA MIA on -- at any point. That they would have to play bought from the outfield and he couldn't afford to give about the meeting was still here."
" Tony I agree with a lot of what you're saying the question here. Is that what Manny was doing to the team last week is Joe keeps pounding and we all know what he did the team last week destruction it's sock that's obvious okay -- get it. He he'd hurt the team last week the question is what does he do next week what does he do next month and history -- and I've gone over it. All all morning. 2003. Is a year we -- those games and around the all star break he tells nobody wants to play for the Yankees he sits out a key series against the Yankees in late August with laryngitis all right. Storm he refuses to pinch hit for Grady Little as the number one game you know it comes back and does. From August 1 on in 2003 from September on. It's 375. All right in 2005. There's a -- trading deadline thing -- again he's sitting out games is going to go is not huge storm clouds in 2005 Tony from August 1 non. Seventeen home runs. 51 RBI last year he misses all those games in August and September with little bleak. People on this show on this station he's a dog he's still on the team he's poised and comes back and it's 350 in the post season and win the championship salt. The question is not get last week what you've done going forward and why -- rights act -- convinced that this time he would not have come back."
" Like I I couldn't agree that -- more look I understand that. I wouldn't have made this trade that's Santonio is at the same time."
" My question is. But the question is why the Red Sox why at this time why this year today determined he wouldn't come back and hit the post season wouldn't come back and -- September."
" Why can't they just I'm not -- even convince -- that might I think they're just they've reached the point where they said okay that's enough. This skycap at the end of the year. We may not pick up the option although my understanding is that there's some debate there was some debate in the organization about that but John -- among those who wanted to keep him. And what they kept him for seven and a half years so clearly there will be willing to put up with a lot because they felt his productivity is worth that. Now the one thing that you could argue I I really do think that. That's almost have as much to do with baseball as anything else and here's why that in the pack. When they had explored the idea of trading him and the you know if you just mentioned. -- years when he was still at his peak efficiency -- in the 2005 they can -- finished with with 140. RBI. But for the -- that so."
" last year. Guy he hit Ortiz figure I'm not mistaken combined for about 280 RBI. So I I think the point is that in the last. When you -- it all together okay and that we still haven't heard from the Red Sox. On this at least officially. But what you -- altogether. They couldn't justify. Crediting a headache in 2005. Because it is not commit a 140 runs. Well the productivity has let the little there's no question about that and anybody who thinks otherwise thought their minds. It's definitely slipped some and I think the way they look at it now is. This guy is still ahead -- was two years ago he's not quite the same hitter he was. Two years ago although like I I don't think that day I still think he had tremendous value the president. But I think when you add all of that together they said if we don't deal -- bell. We're either going to get to draft picks form which is fine. What were going to pick up the option to keep them and then if we want to trade him. His value is going to beat you the -- he's not going to be -- recognize that he's not quite the same run producer he has been over the course of his career. -- the end of the day. Clearly this guy had. Relatively. My general trade value to begin with because that is history and reputation. They can't chicken baby back and let it -- did a pretty good player he's a pretty good player and and well when you factor in everything else they are also paying the remainder mini salary this year. And they had to give up to lock -- prior is out as well I don't I'm not a huge."
" Its own credit for 2001. What's the point -- that's up appointments you know when it was -- and I'm not a -- I'm not a huge cricket since then. And I think that the Red Sox. Talk dump random spot in the last year and hoped -- including in the deal away that they did David you know adult. But the point is if they just wanted to give away any and pick up its contract it wasn't enough they had that they had to do what little bit more there was little."
" I -- putting -- you know the way that there are only really two teams despite all those conditions that were favorable or even really interest in the amendment doesn't that say something about how all of Major League Baseball -- right now."
" No question about it absolutely and -- that's okay -- I think. That the Red Sox had a -- the -- one and they wanted to get rid of them now and it W fact that it almost and they think they came to the conclusion that. We're not going to do much better than Jason Bay a year from now two months from now whether we get the draft picks. Different the bats were going to do so let's go ahead until at at I I can't disagree with them entirely on that. I just think that had they kept -- their chances of winning the World Series now would have been considerably better. -- that they they've they are today having moved him and and I'm glad I'm not sure what this team going to be told -- now what Manny wasn't going to hit for five more years we go back and but the fact of the matter remains that. Yes that's one of the Red Sox history is built around Ortiz and Ramirez in the middle that batting order -- that is now gone as an adult -- the -- I gave up a little bit -- David Ortiz in this steal filled. Because he's not going to get the protection these -- in the past."
" I'm with you tough call this was a tough call but."
" All my not that that left I I you know this -- That this one was so high because you could argue -- a million different doubles and you'd be quite so I'm not. I don't want to video -- I believe me I'm the first one to line up that fit in the Red Sox may have stopped. When when they back stops I think definitely is an extremely. Difficult decision they had all the reason in the world to get rid of this guy because it it it's like I said. We don't have the deal of the everyday we apparently outside of watchers say outlook cares let them scream and -- let them do their lead on how let them sit out it gave it to. But come the final two months of 2008. He's going to have to hit whether he likes it or not because it's the only way he's going to get his money with its -- slowly but they had to listen to with all the time. And if you just warm out. I just feel. To me whenever someone kick and scream that whines and complains that I just feel like ultimately you're just perpetuating behavior what you ultimately give them what."
" What what's wrong with Jason Bay 3100 for protection for David Ortiz -- to -- is very good protection for David Ortiz a -- underestimating -- a little bit."
" The meter you're assuming first of all that. He is going to continue that type of performance in Boston as opposed to it."
" I am in a lineup with more protection than he hadn't paid us any point in his career -- isn't bad it's affair destination. What -- then he's going to be able put up numbers similar to that."
" 3900. No I am lucky might be inevitable what I'm telling you and that. Do you do when your side down a run in the ninth inning. In a postseason game that you have runners at first and second with two outs who would you rather pitch to Jason -- Manny Ramirez. Not that conversation okay so what I'm saying they. Mean -- we can focus on the numbers all we want and and I understand that this is they -- metric era. And everybody's playing instead of addict baseball rotisserie and all they're concerned about is that 3100. I'm talking about the present the impact in the way he changes the game. By Billy putting his foot in the batted yeah 3100 no I don't need to be dozens beat. You know if you want to tell me. That that's. That that is overplayed. I will definitely would know. Forever meet an open Mike Scioscia. Intentionally walked Manny Ramirez in the first inning of game on the west coast recently Bellwether Ramirez their skills have slipped an odd thing about us that there are still have respect. And present and fear factor with him that most other guys don't is that."
" Tony Matlock and in that time as I jump in real quick as -- like at this question before you at the top the hour. What's -- base even hitting fourth he's probably not easy what -- not tell me what your order would be if -- Terry Francona."
" While I don't right now I think I would go live. But what -- Ortiz probably third. I think -- Mike Lowell went up to the forward spot easier today and -- base -- I'd probably never even think about it. To a -- afford to -- there. I'd -- basics. You know if you collect seven I don't get."
" Like David Ortiz is not a consideration to back mean -- and he Dahlia best power hitter."
" I think I think he -- a consideration I can't -- a million ways they could do as. I know that Ortiz is comfortable in that three spot but looking. -- Another bad stroke that you ended it maybe that they will put him in the position now. Where you have to protect someone out but. Generally speaking I think -- back."
" Kerry your best run producer should hit third about my opinion. And if you look I just think it's it's put forget them potentially. One more at bat in the number of forehead. Obviously Helio first and second guys should be get the guy to get on base in the three hitter gets the first crack at it. I I. You know I look this a million ways to do that the one thing I can tell you would that I know Francona. Is. Particularly fond of the left right type of thing he doesn't like to stack lefties in the lineup not that any manager does. So I don't envision any scenario in which to -- would hit third and Ortiz would hit fourth. To me that's probably not going to happening what those lefties out. And at all righty in their somewhere but I. Again I'm just telling you oh. On eight championship. Caliber lineup and that is what we've grown accustomed to here in the laps but I have almost six years now. Jason -- not a real -- he's a private six hitter and I'm not sure he's got diving and that Mike Lowell. So. That's on talent I and I I don't mean this to -- I don't mean to turn this into. A referendum on Jason day and any sort of you know. Commentary on those those shortcomings didn't give the got a good player would we all know that by the people think that. The Red Sox lineup isn't going to supplement some capacity if badly -- in the point."
" Tony minute left do you think that the impact the intangible impact across the clubhouse. Will be as positive this year as it was the Nomar Garciaparra here."
" I think there's the chance to that I think that in the he Garciaparra idea -- they they had a clear defensive shortcoming and Nomar wasn't the offensive player -- as an I don't know differences striking. He wasn't the offensive player than that he had been earlier in his career and his defense is terrible. Well I think they had a lot more negated and they got I I think combined they got a little more value back I haven't really I high on Orlando Cabrera. But. And baseball's a funny game sometimes you take a guy like any other -- makes everyone happy and everybody plays a little better. I felt like about the bullpen and a bite you got tight said the definition through -- beacon score fewer dvd give up fewer."
" You gotta think that's going to be addressed during the waiver deadline they going to try to get something that's on and I."
" Yeah that's a possibility Joe W it has no question about it right. It at the end of the day is that consistent still make the playoffs absolutely I just cannot think it would the World Series now."
" On him as Boston -- I disagree with you on that I think they can -- Jason Bay providing the starting pitching pitches to their expectations and it by an eighth inning guy I I I think they have enough offense. If those other two pitching things. Comment but he's got -- aren't -- put -- on offense."
" I'm judging the -- where they are right now -- if they shored up their bullpen and all the sudden they become a team like they were last year where they can win four to play. A band that that all changed my mind but as of right now as constituted this -- with a hole in the eighth inning and now -- presence in the middle of the lineup. I don't think there -- equipped to. Really primarily got by Anaheim and I don't think what we added up okay take it to -- into that 18 out of by the began west. They patted Mark Teixeira in the Red Sox last Manny Ramirez. So the committee that's a significant swing I think Anaheim right now is clearly the team to be in the American League. That's today. Game in three weeks four weeks of the Red Sox Gordon get themselves I don't know JJ port -- all the Wallach can get a couple years ago the setup Jonathan Papelbon. I changed my mind."
" have felt has not scared Doug is not scared by the Angels Tony's thirty said that three or four times today he's not impressed these. They are all all I'm into right Sammy didn't mean I'm -- But I'm Thomas had Bobby directly at second base picnic I've."
" He's telling us that they that there are people about an organization that feel like this and I team with the best in Anaheim they they keep it even last private absolutely. And that they have they've really to have justice stockpile of pitching you know we just. No I'm not not to Shell it out they don't meter they play good defense. They have speed their starting pitching I I still think they might be. One I'm short of that bullpen. Not a big time I've just a situation -- maybe and I don't mean necessarily mean the lefty. Although some of the younger guys they have like a Redondo there really high on him and stole the ball very well and they have a good manager so. That they are it can -- they look quite right now the class of the league -- the other 50505253. Games to go here."
" It looked right now that's right don't you on the big Sunday night. I am not help my Tatum albeit and -- about. I gotta do my real job first some like you -- that I'd tell Tony such as rubber stamping the trade don't thank you think it's time we appreciate it at a public taking out."
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