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Fri, 1 Sep 2006

Baseball greats Jim Bouton and Bill Lee join Mikey to talk the Major Leagues.

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" It's date a special night here on the radio station because we have culture joining us on the program we have some culture. Now is part of the mix actual authors who have actually written actual books and not only are -- very qualified to talk about that subject but they're also qualified to talk about Yankee Red Sox baseball speakers. In in this corner to my right. The one it only Jim Bowden author of ball four and former Yankee hurdler he's sitting in that -- rose do these introductions quickly because this is going to reemerge into a long discussion of Red Sox Yankee baseball. Act in this corner William Francis space Manley also an author. And -- amidst the books here because they're of their great baseball books also a lefthander who pitched against of the Yankees many times in his illustrious Red Sox career 17 was -- record against the Yankees Jim -- Jim -- record was 17. Against the Boston Red Sox that's an eerie thing to have come together here in the studio settlement how are you thank you deja Vu all over again. It's great to have you here and let's first does mention that Jim Bowden is has had a book that was probably the most famous baseball book maybe ever a ball four which really rocked the baseball world because that it was the first real expose day of the behind the scenes look at what goes on the clubhouse and on the on the road in the light from major league baseball -- easily copies -- sold him."

" Publishers -- counts -- worked out nicely for them sold five of them over a 100000 times. And let me roses and it was a -- and -- today it's are -- war and. Japanese. Taiwanese characters Chinese characters from the book it's but it was written in English you know and it -- him but now that knock off stuff runs even took to the book ball four. It's unbelievable yet but it price they'll work barely whether you -- you of the -- call foul ball what's the story and that fallible --"

" Story about a failed attempt to restored old ballpark in Pittsfield, Massachusetts and. The book got invited back to Pittsfield buy in new mayor and City Council new parks commissioner. And and we were blocked once again by hand powerful lead in town they wanted to do stadium minimalist fiction field ballpark -- wrote about that too in the book is now -- tactical foul ball plus part two."

" What we're about to Cuba have a radio stations Springfield pretty -- so will be -- people -- you can can hear it's very very shortly here on sports radio wbi believes had three books accorsi the one it was first written was when it was called the wrong stuff. Followed by a little red parenthetically Sox book and -- let latest is have globe will trap."

" Have -- trial which is the sequel to the first block and i was going to write you know there's a guy that wrote -- Neal Cassidy which was Jack London's running mate not Jacqueline and that Carol -- running battle lol and he wrote a book called the first third and he died never got around to write the second third. And I said i hope by -- right the third third -- it's got a really bad it -- and so two guys or twelve -- five against the Red Sox Yankees respected label we had to do canals who really world a different era the Jim -- of course you in in the 60s was when you were like you know hot stuff with the Yankees and he again."

" and i love pitching at Fenway Park i think it was the greatest -- part -- like the fact you're on the road -- Roman coliseum detected the players in spring trees that we we get to Boston when we get to Boston that what was second night we'll bus pulls up at 3 o'clock in the afternoon early batting practice it was two hundred fans waiting outside the players' entrance screaming and hollering at its foreign language."

" which language that. It did it up."

" And. Then -- the theory is great because families is stances so close to the -- the only ball park in the country weakens beyond the -- people can actually he walker a year personal insults from the stand everywhere else is just sort of dull -- but then what you know just exactly. What. You're saying he would understand -- there. Exactly -- language that. But my favorite night at Fenway Park this is the -- hated monster yes you know he would -- he would commit their -- strike -- trash Maris and mantle and walk off the VO his arms over his head you know we did Friday night Saturday night same thing comes in. One run lead strikes trash merits and male walks over his arms over his head you know use the monster -- Sunday afternoon they pitched shutout against the rights -- And I -- in my head it would be fun to walk off the man with or tormented."

" It didn't read into in the raddatz at sites that are walking up arms over my head in here it came authors of the flight. Hot dogs beer bottles and i had to -- by a way to get to the delegates elected you do for a degree is that it is doing."

" of the Yankee Red Sox rivalry tell them that there even when the Red Sox -- the Yankees were great or vice versa rivalries stories there it matters no matter how well do you agree it's particularly heightened when they're all good which is i guess what we supposing we have right now with both teams we watched the game tonight all of us and we're going to talk about that with you the radio listeners in the planet -- broadcast area that's a big aria. Our telephone number 6177790850. It's 8885250850 toll free you can -- us with a free so call it pounded wbi and i emphasize pound and of course you can email us -- with your questions for a distinguished panel -- At planet Mikey at wei dot com let me just get before we get the phone calls me because -- ball four book and of the wrong stuff were of the same you know they were both kind of you know a an insider's look at the reality that was going on in major league club houses and in your case -- in particular you Yugo real bad heat from all of major league baseball in the players in the Yankees in an everything when this book about the you wanted to detail about some -- little more private things in people's lives."

" Well i first of -- you know it wasn't a tell all book with details until summer to tell a lot of Coke wasn't tell all i never I never 88 i never named get a you know all the sexy stories are anonymous via."

" Never recorded guys using the n word i never quoted you know racial slurs anti Semitic remarks and you know felt there was too much of an invasion of privacy of -- mostly i discovered that nonsense -- running around the room for the shore motel drinking beer looking in windows you know."

" Dennis keeping outcomes guys guys kissing each other in the back of the team bus as."

" Chuck sparky Lyle -- that i didn't put a lot of things in my book the same thing -- Lyle got traded for catered people don't know. That he used to come make it out of the shower and jump -- birthday cake something -- prints and put a big aspirin right in the birthday actually ends up jumping on top jockeys take one day and then -- the icing. And he was gone i -- it is actually some jockey held power act the stuff that we've left out you know -- great we think that a requirement we rarely Evers because they were thinking. Not with this other stuff is -- about -- don't -- 61 comes out -- you know the Mickey mantle stuff all becomes you know kind of part of the legacy in -- and -- self Leo realizing that he had a drinking problem eventually. He came -- and faced a lot of the stuff that was covered earlier on in in in some of these right now this thing about it is though you think they'll ever via a time when all will be -- Now now there -- singled -- steroids is kind of talkin' and -- incident -- a -- parity and it turns out to be the only -- speaking the -- right exactly so go figure -- it's a weird situation and it certainly."

" To a problem is that they you know they neatly cover up -- problem and they they let it go if testers and then and then they have no defense against themselves and somebody like Canseco comes along and says well here the guys were taking steroids and because it was too stupid to have a drug testing on this -- no -- to defend themselves break even innocent guy so."

" What did you got Raphael Palmeiro who put you know it convincingly points his finger at the cameras as i never ever whatever did steroids and and and then he turns out to be alive so it's it's a weird world now of course the internet and you know cable television and says there's so much coverage on all these different teams now that what you're doing and you're two books was it looks kind of precursor to the -- level of interest to people would have for the for the different subject."

" Members in the books -- you know i think you know baseball for so many many years was -- presenting you know the milk and cookies image the players -- basically boy scouts goin' on their given 100% and. If. You don't go to the next time that so that's why it seemed shocking that day in in in most of the other industries a movie industry it center for example you talked about. You. Know people -- after drinking problems no big deal but it baseball was a shock only because of what had been withheld for so many years -- had done -- a pent up demand for the truth."

" Carlton Fisk would he drove his -- t and a lake Lulu did that ever make the papers now not so far."

" It. Will now here."

" obvious there's so much stuff about Leonard -- red -- all relate but they protect. You. Know it was unbelievable i gotta get me that book when -- as a -- government -- also talk web based."

" tonight guys and i we got some time -- to midnight we appreciate your being here and and give everyone the opportunity to talk to guys investors' questions about in this era or that era because you guys pay attention not be used as a retired 57 years ago. Her face doesn't mean you know take that."

" Well we watch the ball games because we love baseball and i i was my park yesterday they had an open bar till 10 o'clock at the MC club and i don't game i was no game -- the last of the -- thought -- a great part David opener when their goal. All. Right so your take on tonight's squeaker eight to one game David Pauly against -- Wang or Juan if you prefer a couple of young guys out there -- on particular come directly from double play his second game in the big leagues after getting trounced by the blue jays first right now it can go to Yankee stadium. And -- front of that crowd what were your thoughts on on this game in the way it went united -- most of the game i was trying to do my television says -- island i watched at all and i -- i. He did a great job he's a sinker ball prosperity -- sinker ball pitcher into his break -- ball sparingly. Which is what you should do you know you don't want the ball hit in the air and. And he got a lot of double plays and that boiled down to one fielding play that he didn't make and it cost him many ends up walk and snipper comes out and talks to women. By. The time he walked back four straight balls later now he's out of the ball game Rudy Seanez comes in and threw pretty good pitch you know 32 pitch it was close but it was a break and ball and. That's the difference an apple CNN's might have been and that might be -- source of some some consternation for respects Kansas to what choice was for for an -- agreed in Rudy Seanez now it's the seventh inning while left in the seventh inning we know it. There rookie phenom Hanssen is in the bullpen and of course papelbon sit out there we haven't seen him for a while is not a -- game where you bring it close it is that's -- if you guys are managing a team you go for the young guns who can get guys out and it's so this is a one one game. We -- Yankee we let the kid come out of there and let the reliever come -- with one base open. You. Don't want to bring you wonder -- or bring example if you can help me. But. It olympics -- let him get loose with the first batter up do you think things and you know me and be responsible for his own -- to make any victory in these guys throw 90 in the papelbon been 20 saves you can all point 32. Can he pitch a couple of innings is it necessarily in this day nato close there's only one inning and that's it he's got to start inning. Well. They've got to and so groomed and so wound up so tight that they all have their own little roles that we didn't do that raddatz economy in central five -- You. Know he would have been and that ball game in the old days -- would have brought him in a heartbeat -- seven the first guy on the -- threat in the seventh and he would have gone out there and gone for the juggler. You. Know and I. Don't. Know random i mean -- that that's their thinking let's with tonight's game is to their we have to do in the game it's probably generated and pitchers gross -- pitching 789 an all time."

" Rent already -- nine relief against the Yankees i know that was that's crazy for clothes that would never happen today put the Red Sox the other night against Toronto 66 game. They're down 63 they bring it back to 66 the -- and we don't -- papelbon the eighth -- even though it's that kind of game instead they they bring in risky they lose the game it's just i brought I. Don't like. Those clearly defined roles very much because there risky to bring him. Echoed -- he stinks."

" What you know it's it's you gotta find out where your flaws are i think I'm looking at as where's the left -- out of the bullpen for Giambi. The. Other isn't one -- but it work of the Yankees is -- Mike Myers is there anybody around here I'll I'll I'll I'll come in for one inning and broke free drop down slider on me right and make him look foolish you know."

" Yeah you can probably get these guys up evidence some of these guys on the don't have a lefthanded specialist in the apple -- they have full court throws good changeup so they bring him in against lefties but folks got a bad back and he's been bad this year -- they got some issues certainly the -- sides you have some issues and the Yankees -- injury mean it did late with the -- are underwent if you can't take down the Yankees i don't to Yankee stadium but if they got -- now it seems like the Red Sox now should be rabbinate that. When they don't have Sheffield and. Matsui and Jeter's game -- it does look like to get beat the uniform doesn't it really does -- psychological as anything."

" Whether sitting on the bench i watch him you know while many makes a bad base running marinated and -- says anything he -- comes back sits down and it's they all admitted being -- and it -- wasn't that big umbrella of just you know rotten play because its main. Well he does crush the ball and he did hit a home run that was brought back which was pretty impressive so milky of milky to -- i -- to farnsworth gets in the ball game i know we're going to -- Because you know he's definitely he's gags -- in Chicago we gags everywhere and he throws hard he -- straight -- breaking ball over. And he's meet -- got him you know like Ortiz didn't you know we got frustrated and stuff but farnsworth -- is -- is what we've discovered -- so far we don't have much six -- 777 Missouri could you let's take our first phone call the program it's dean and Hampton Connecticut dean sailor Jim about it Billy."

" They might it take a bell out of here -- if i always think the comment will take time check my main point across first evolved. Bill got a better idea for a book for it really well."

" Ld go ahead you -- where I'm here clean diesel -- that without paper or pencil -- idea spit -- after Dick Williams direct. Richard -- except for one more. Your volume you got that down pretty close and. Joe morgue in came up from aaa -- just rolled above balls out there and they all played won all those ball games in a row and yet you know county in easily rate he's a great man Joe Morgan."

" Disguised parable tiny tiny you guys mention it i would listen to it how he couldn't let the kids gaullist -- gate and walk the big debate devoted his theater is no rule. And. Then i mean I'd sit there they're going to walk you know and it went west apple bar and may -- help but well short of war."

" And thought -- RA got to stop the lead and immediately you know."

" You know it's. It allows -- manager i don't know how we won now -- here we want but because of the. He's more concerned with without the player they can get the kid away it. That. He did not so."

" Well that the. He did stick with him a little too long I've got to agree with that this tournament you have to be bloodthirsty little bit kind of like you know now --"

" these guys take a long view yet understand it looking to build confidence in players. And look into to get the respect of the players to be consistent not to look panicky -- when the scheme was put her best guy in there too early in the year. It's different philosophy four manager's point of view looking for a sixth two games he's not in the look at it from a man's point of view who's watching the game right only care about that -- win this game. Danced at the short view they do."

" Managers take place seems more urgent to the fan exactly -- any stake -- write -- more important to build. To build relationships with the players and team helped in the long carried over on may question booking a hard ass olds."

" Cool managers you know Dick Williams comes to mind i think Jimmy Leland if anybody represents that a little bit today more than anybody else. But you see many -- like -- running based Rainier running to second base or or guy who would sits in myers' home run before taking the -- on the basis. Not knowing if it's out you know just for the the theatrics of the moment a lot and what manager will come out right now -- say your find your --"

" It's just don't i appreciate Manny speaking he's got a double you know that Balkan have been another two feet to the right and he makes that but he did he put his head down and made it is mine without watching it he can take 34 hard steps him with. With that weak arm that he has once he sees it on line and he can come back the first base. But runners -- instruments used to do that'll he put his head down. And. That became his it just carry them over at third base if there'd be operational Stanton a third you know -- outfielders are just they're notorious bad base runners with the exception dimaggio. And welcome. Willie Wilson there aren't -- was fast he made up for a lot of mistakes when your quick. You. Know you make up for so many years not in any has -- where we will spend 700 and some seven at bats -- one season one time -- ever walked -- and Hyde park -- next with -- Jim --"

" Bought stop Mike and bill one can't i don't feel like I'm like it yet there are prom date -- you will do well and i I think -- every -- yet do you must be no Esther duke mrs.. Real good job would have called that one and i don't think anybody the world was gone you know the book he's -- I don't do -- I'm telling you the man I. Don't i have been and with the didn't partly on continued today and verbal be buying and territory on the good manifesto this kid from double -- David Pauly is now going to be in heroic role."

" For. The Red Sox now after it was a database -- he's got to step up there because Beckett isn't throwing the ball where it wants to and -- the kid the kid -- is pretty -- 62 thirds he's got four double plays and who starts scattered in front that yes he throws that's acrimony does get a couple players got three the first outing and it got one this time -- that i know. Thanks -- you all do appreciated David in New Jersey you're next it's."

" Ports radio wbi -- hi David fellow all due respect. Disagree with -- and -- taking this long the long term perspective to a season not as a talked to -- an ivy you know I'm I'm what these guys goes the juggler every day you know. That's when have a home you'd i -- you know he can't win -- In June but he sure can do. And you know he can't keep stuck i think Indian capital winnable -- it -- but it a bit about my economic he'd he'd just. The up and just throw up he kept them out you can call him a -- sometimes that happens a ball and it again -- the winnable but not when it."

" They are little more painful guy reread your careers when your pitching which Jews to moreover like the one run loss to Florida. As opposed to when he got blown out."

" All. Of that i could call before a couple of the a couple of calls to go."

" Up walk up and would love I mean he did so get out quickly well in Asia leapt about the place the billiard ball but instead."

" I know i -- good feeling nearby audio I. Think its stuff that's a pleasant feeling your mouth would never comes out there and starts breathing ammonia."

" But. The we're -- to be fair it is -- he's let he let into the World Series last year. He. Had the position they went to the worst series with Terry -- on as manager of the filing your they went to the playoffs and right now he's got a one game neglected about a firstly you can't give a failing grade."

" Now we will -- decision necessarily cold it's raining. They were the blow your chance when you're in New York at its June 4 in the umpire comes out and allows the pitcher to blow on his hands it's a bedspread -- David listen David have a create -- cream soda and -- load."

" You. Know where -- yeah."

" Amanda -- i asked him about because i i watched -- when when you words in 60 i watched sort of watch baseball intensely 6364. What. Was with a hat flying off your head i -- you've been asked this before when i gotta get a refresher course."

" It. Was just my emotion very strayed over hand motion but but more importantly wasted wasted throws top partly torsos. Pitched pitched it to for an apartment by Dan and then it would toward didn't i would land on the left foot in like cracking likeable person trying to keep -- little piece of paper and in the blue snapping -- going to fly off that did it affect your fielding it -- it did you know what would it effect it was late in the game that hot day that was soaking wet -- the third. Rebecca beckham and and dirty water running down my foray into my eyes for that was the annoyance you know bending over picking -- you know 30 times -- game was really -- i tightest panic on. And it still wouldn't -- he has nothing to keep we have to do my emotion wasn't i didn't rush cap with my arm he wishes to velocity of money -- flying low -- the way it inertia has yet if flail use of flailing away."

" Billy when you're pitching your it was a little crooked you know i was -- and you weren't -- straight. But you'd do under CC sabathia thing but it -- island all left handers and they i talked to him specifically -- say notes on straight it is six. Perception way for a reception something about it what are born and they slapped does and all is on our one yet knows kids could be left handed slap --"

" Jim Bowden was 217 from 63 Yankees they were on the play the Dodgers -- got swept by echo effect and is and his buddies in in that."

" And drysdale actually -- the desk and he beat -- one it would incorporate strike out fifteen Yankees went -- he'd be -- one authorized obi -- nothing to recall affects one game one in game four we scored a couple of runs off via."

" And Billy left two World Series games with leads and guess what the bullpen he can no decisions had separate no decision in that situation 51 wins from -- three years the Red Sox. Should. Be in the Red Sox Hall of Fame."

" Now why now let's discuss that why isn't bill and it's actual event felt a political statistics him."

" one 94 games a Red Sox uniform okay. And just to compare that to or my other good friends in this world that is technically one 84 games and respect your bills ten games ahead of -- i think the act the act may get in because -- anybody gets in the regular Hall of Fame is automatically the red -- off him -- they have but compared to Bruce -- Who won its what amiga as he went 91 less than me one less than you and lost a lot more right at a higher ERA right. Brilliant Red Sox uniform was 16272 complete games. And -- three point such as the war -- 7423 stars and and 51 complete games in three seasons the years he -- seventeen talks widely believed -- well my theory is that this whole Red Sox Hall of Fame began with the old regime and you know bill had some issues with the old red -- regime on on many -- think they would put politics I sure don't -- on the field but i am right now as a player -- that negated that might have had a little to do that too good player reps were the most popular guys with the management you know. But let's let's right now put it out to the masses that we host Arnie campaign -- moderates expo fame. Right here on the planet -- show special got a 94 winds in Red Sox uniform more than Bruce Hurst i want to be in the Vermont I haven't lost a game on -- ever in twelve years since I've been up there I have lost -- ground -- we -- we -- you -- I'd hate mail you create your -- would best people can buy them yes they weird assignments like a boat war in the big flats the old -- company huge knob on the end it is -- i design him with a big now on the -- in these huge -- jammed it -- all night. That element ask what the inspiration in an -- i don't sell a lot of them I sell them a lot more -- late night places -- sell sell it he says royalty checks to John Holmes. It Topanga canyon that's now I'd Jim Bowden also involved in the business world in a very big way they tell us the the -- quick version if you can or -- she wanted to be big league --"

" A -- was invented in the bullpen in Portland, Oregon Dermot come back to baseball is in Portland organ playing for the mavericks class a in the north Wesley. We sit in the bullpen talking about it disgusting chewing tobacco is his kids sitting next minute benches to vendors and something that looks like tobacco the -- committed -- grenade is big league chew Meredith every ball -- in America. So season -- Went home couldn't get the idea him and it finally called this kid rob Nelson became partners have problem put up the money that's been partners -- duke and company and so we did."

" Big league -- reached shredded -- it comes in all tobacco like pouch and it is. My preference i don't chew a tobacco but -- bag after bag of big league chew and i just to say you know eye -- baseball and look at your half."

" It leads to -- I've had a funeral starting with vaguely as soon. Did. You -- existing bubble gum companies that already were around today today you we."

" We took it to a gun companies that we we didn't view we've Frye bobbled -- frying pan cut -- tobacco pouch. Put my picture on the front called it vaguely q we took too long ago top leaders like its -- American -- he'll look at you in -- same thing and it's interesting. But we make -- it's exactly couldn't get anybody to do -- quietly. Filled to license to a company called and the girl a novelty bug gum companies making making gum shaped hamburgers. Anything chicken -- shoelaces automobile use they can make -- about Bill Clinton so much but -- we showed amnesia the -- insurance that we probably do that. So this is nine million dollars company novelty income product every new new product Sony introduced in June 1980. And the first twelve months to sell wholesale eighteen million dollars each and it was big league -- twice -- the -- unbelievable fortunately i was about gum company doing now just Asia if we choose -- still selling yep."

" That's been as -- cool an unusual story especially coming from the guy who wrote ball four which is -- weird weird and you know you guys have both been on television lot waited to open Isaiah life you had force a series i was in television too much you're. You -- forward episode -- his -- the -- comrades before an episode Billy's been on the the tonight show in the Letterman show and three times I've been on a lot of them but that that's not the thing affected cheers was based on obscure left handed reliever from Boston who could that -- and i wonder -- that wasn't what i found out saw the documentary on chairs and found that it was based on medium or -- year. Isn't that something -- i used to going to the bull and -- which was the downstairs bar which actually became chairs so look -- royalties keep it from you that nothing and -- what it is but i i i I have to get out of this town because i can't even by entering. It's funny. They tried to kill me last night I. Would around -- Diana gave me a budget 20s i should -- by as the ones because i was given away all the bombs written up -- and they walk or -- 20s early stumble get for walkin' is that it taking a -- i just loved to walk the streets -- President. Of bombs those -- the ones -- the WW and you know that you know you cannot there's no law against drunk a -- walking as far as i know I've never been busted for let's go to bill Malden billion excellence."

" radio wei I. Don't guys up -- as a great show thank you thank the only i thought you know thank you said that figure registered 72 complete games two 123 yeah."

" Ridiculous by today's standards I'm going to give the ball to bowl winner -- cal Coetzer and those guys and you know what i mean it's a when -- in the and it meant one thing you couldn't pitch. It's guys in the bullpen we're guys at your current fruitless --"

" I know what you guys but i didn't hurt recalled say that he was excited to meet all its and i. Do. You really body in -- and very cute you know he was excited to see him page yeah like help --"

" Right any medium like a dead horse again red -- except maybe it would you know apology great i thought tonight he showed that he had some dots to get out there -- do was -- he did eight hits and strike is there -- yeah. He only walked two guys weren't runs against the big New York Yankees in. In. The Bronx so you know -- give him a little -- credit i don't think I've really cared for the managerial style toward the end of the game -- Franco once again your right go again -- sleep and. Their net curled slippers sitting next on girls at narrow -- I'd tell you they don't movers there's stuff."

" Hey come on let's call but you know what Billy Martin and you don't want any state continued solid guys that -- reached for the brass ring too soon the -- box of the world am you know you guys can't tolerate that you've had Dick Williams and they ran him out of here because -- strip ski. You. Know -- Hall of Fame manager but that he was smart an integrated middle experiment yet the great Dick Williams at the use the best seventh eighth and ninth inning manager i ever saw that he was bloodthirsty. He was but he had he always had four left handers or right handers in the Baltic. He always was able to manipulate and do things -- played with him in Montreal in. And. We came within one game winning the national league three years ago we lost pirates we lost to Philadelphia lost to Los Angeles Dodgers all by game and he's a good editor. Frank colonna came out of animal Frankel a plate for Williams he played with Franco i play with Franco in 1970 nine's first year in the big leagues and Terry -- go there are great family he's a great guy he's in nice guy. And the ball players when it's also and then have to say we dinner ourselves and that is a great manager. But you do have to you have to. Pull the trigger everyone's -- going to win you -- no -- and he's trying to wade through this and right now. You. Know -- it's it's tough he's got to get left and a relievers -- was the best manager that you're plea for him."

" Other helpless Ralph yeah yeah Ralph houk he you know let the players colonial he you know he's looking to build confidence he would he would sometimes leave the guy in there again and so -- can build the confidence sacrifice that game for the long haul he he he would do that the players like the me. He he didn't get their way of course as we had a good team we didn't have a good team he he also didn't get their way. He you know letters he -- i mean there -- three types of managers one the manager can actually get more of the team and then they would otherwise get. And as the middle range like -- He. Has having any effect one way or another -- if you got a good team you know he's he's fine and other managers -- cool question game."

" Investment you ever played for real. Williams technically at all times by -- well i glorious -- have you -- up yet i came up he was here he was here i played for him he brought 69 right brought me up to the big leagues from Pittsfield -- called park. It's unbelievable that were sent here sentences the day job moment in a funny thing is i didn't want to come up I. Had i was stationed on the Green River -- little chalet at. You. Know why they close to the virtue -- Reagan it was thing and then they sent me an air -- they had arms slightly and some hole in Boston everything else and that. And. The day i got here I reasonable he -- due out right away -- he won his future -- and he got out there any major part of the ball club and Williams loved -- and he brought in Montreal we're talking to Jim Bowden and the author -- foreign former right -- for the Yankees -- five lifetime against the Red Sox. And totally author former lefthander. Welcome five against the Yankees your phone calls a welcome will be to midnight ready -- when Mikey"

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    Peter talked about the Patriots-Colts game which he deemed an instant classic, his thoughts on the decision to go for it on 4th and 2, the coaching situation in New York with Rex Ryan, if Mike Shanahan has any interest coaching the Buffalo Bills, if Randy Lerner will consider firing Eric Mangini, and the decision of the Bengals to sign Larry Johnson

    They guys are both looking forward to Sunday's game against the Jets and talk about the matchup between Darrelle Revis and Randy Moss

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    Leigh Bodden joins The Big Show to discuss last weeks loss to the Colts, Belichick's controversial 4th and 2 call and this weeks match-up with the Jets.

    Curt Schilling joins the Big Show to discuss 4th and 2...of course as well as the Sox offseason and people oweing him money.

    Vic sits down with The Big Show to discuss 4th and 2, old Patriots in the media and Pats vs Jets.

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    Chris Price of WEEI.com and the It Is What It Is blog joins the gang to talk some Patritos.

    Joining the gang on tonights show and bringing a little more perspective to the show and Patriots discussion is Tom E. Curran.

    The Meuse Man is back again and he's brought some New York facts with him. Along with a great new song all about range.

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    4th and 2... just kidding. Pats and Jets, plus the cackle-meter goes off the charts!

    This week's whine of the week winner. If you are our winner, please go to weei.com/whine and click on claim your prize.

    4th and 2 draws to a close... and we get a blast from Max's past.

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    Leigh Bodden joins The Big Show to discuss last weeks loss to the Colts, Belichick's controversial 4th and 2 call and this weeks match-up with the Jets.

    Logan and Dan joined the guys at Gillette Stadium to talk about "The Play" from last week's game against the Colts, how playing on the offensive line is all about communication, Sebastian Vollmer's job against Dwight Freeney, and previewed this week's game against the Jets

    Peter talked about the Patriots-Colts game which he deemed an instant classic, his thoughts on the decision to go for it on 4th and 2, the coaching situation in New York with Rex Ryan, if Mike Shanahan has any interest coaching the Buffalo Bills, if Randy Lerner will consider firing Eric Mangini, and the decision of the Bengals to sign Larry Johnson

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    Kevin talked about if he had any fears about his injury last year, how the injury was actually a blessing in disguise, if he can tell a difference in his game this year after sitting out a lot of last year, that he is close to where he wants to be but not all the way back, what Rasheed Wallace brings to the Celtics, and that his bowling game is "straight trash"

    Ainge joins the show to discuss the trade rumors involving Nocioni, the Celtics team going forward, and of course- 4th and 2.

    Rasheed talked about the Celtics trying to recruit him to join the Green in the offseason, how the team has the potential to be one of the best he's ever been on, the importance of defense leading them to a championship, which referees he actually likes in the league, if there is an outside limit to his game, and a funny story about him stealing his friend's prosthetic leg

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    Ray talked about his son Chris, a forward for the Penguins, playing in Boston for the first time in the NHL, that the B's may have been a little overconfident entering the year but that they are back on track, the job that Peter Chiarelli has done as the GM for Boston, and his thoughts on where Zdeno Chara stands in the all-time ranks of Bruins blueliners

    Mike joins the guys to talk about the Bruins' rough start to the season, the injuries to Lucic and Savard, and who deserves more blame: the coaches or players

    Milan discussed his new three-year contract extension with the Bruins, how the deal actually came about, his love for playing in Boston, the expectations for him and his team this season, and of course how his fantasy football team, the 5 Minute Majors, are doing in the Davio's Football League

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    Dustin talks to Mut and Bradford for his weekly appearance...

    Curt Schilling joins the Big Show to discuss 4th and 2...of course, Sox offseason, and people oweing him money.

    Terry joined Dale Arnold and Michael Holley in the radio booth at Fenway Park and took your calls and texts for an hour to talk all things Red Sox

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