Bouton & Lee #02

" Tuesday night special programmer having after the Yankee Red Sox game to won the Yankees beat the Red Sox it was a tragic ending to this game a great job by mister Pauley. And -- great catch by milky freaking Cabrera out in left field to rob Manny Ramirez movement amid the difference in this game guys that was the difference -- here in the space -- author. Poet world traveler Jim -- here entrepreneur author of big maybe the greatest most notable baseball book in ball four i mean that's -- that's that's on -- that's on the map there to him about. Yeah i caught lightning in a violent that was a good when i read in 1971 now it took me longer than most people read because i was stoned all their time it. But it was a great read and of course built market for Red Sox fans -- very much the same kind of thing the wrong stuff. With you on the cover pitching this basements up through with -- copter underhanded Desert Classic --"

" Either you various sports but he that are read by a land pitcher who is at the end of his career -- sit around a lot and sit in the -- and -- and in yen chances think in. Listen write stuff down you know you don't want to read a book by its star team -- You. Know -- like it's boring -- of well yes idea that i -- somebody who's who's got time to sit around and you know like it is going to be a book about the White House you know what the president bookie went adore me."

" Burge that's right because it's a lot more interest in you get the drew my it was really going and who wrote the the Cincinnati pitcher. Brosnan does James brosnahan -- sitting around and it's -- news haven't attacked Taylor's wife when his contract -- and it's his as the best book if you want to read books freedom by pitchers -- the only ones are really went to school learned anything. Pitchers right invest right the best books. And and sometimes have songs done about them -- Warren -- vine does it doesn't song on his bad luck streak it dancing school album about bill Lee 80 quotes your your statement which. And we both you guys probably have a lot of the in the baseball quotation books a lot of them are probably yours but. The when it comes to mind is that. Define baseball. Baseball is when you sit on your ass and not it's stupid things is something -- fine -- that is. And if they don't feel like you know screw you it's exactly the guy and that -- and Italy -- face will screw you 86 that they've had since two 1006 or whatever it is now you can say squirrel."

" On. The Ares -- great when it comes to win a beach because it. Played a wind as it comes to skin and bones sometimes they say things that nation that's right i just prefer -- diva in the late Graham whereas say things i shouldn't see -- wrote a song to a and that's i i used to spoke I listened to the poet's corner listening garrison -- every day at 833 i get the -- that the -- of the day and i live my life by that everything i see his poetry it is you know -- Glavine pitch and i see poetry I see him he doesn't -- buyer i think he's the greatest left -- vault peeking get people out with nothing is slightly slowing the resin bag up there -- like Quayle."

" You. Know -- by contrast i -- Dick raddatz limerick four you -- there once was ago children Bruno who says there's one thing i don't know a woman is fine as she accused of mind but the lama is an overall growth. News -- raddatz could have done it i just a little update on the Red Sox Hall of Fame campaign were working on the -- that you -- you belong in -- 9468. Three. Point 64 -- look at 187. With a 3.69 he's in -- it's 8873 with a 4.2 sorry 80 -- so everyone to 3.92 and Bruce -- left hander. Starter 8873 with a 4.23 he's in -- Red Sox -- so let me say clearly won't -- higher ERA knew exactly and and a lot more wins to 61777908588525 to return to use the the toll free number -- about new billion studio we'll talk to you about baseball till midnight tonight and John holbrook you are next."

" And. It looked out irate it's amazing document the space on the telephone that modern device that is definitely got a rotary phone this. Touched it's a flight to Egypt is so."

" You tell us you have touched down everybody I never won a fight in the mid 70s that was actually fist and the shortstop they got into the the -- throwing contest. That would be gene Michael's -- my fight was i was backing up home plate and -- campanella -- added and i came in try to dig graves honorable lead as right spun around -- and i get sucker punched by Mickey rivers. And. Then nettles runs me over dumps me on my shoulder I get up. By Mike love and realize that my arm is not attached then i went after nettles after the fight was already quieted down 40 socket that's what i -- waited soccer me i i to this day i thought i -- the left fleet. But. It did ruled it was dislocated I like this i mean i did not flop i just -- with my bases Dion says."

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" Nobody answers and those guys that don't hurt each other. They got equipment on their brawl at home plate it's always the pitcher. The thin guy -- the guy with the lanky arms that gets dumped on his arm. It's always it's you always the pitchers get hurt and fights because we're we're long clean guys to break up to we're answers we try to break c'mon get elevenths now. Well April's ahead -- a tough kid but -- whatever the whatever questions of money into whatever goes after him no and sticks the ball right grabs rivers well Zimmer charged him. Zimmer was -- that i thought it was very nicely done little bull by Natalie -- the -- immediately went gravity and is happy to watch him emirate which profitable bowling ball with the years yes it's very hard to get to bowling ball over the years."

" Last question general yeah i had what you need to carry freight owner's. Productions skills lately."

" He's little Saddam realistic as the word -- Geddes driving driving what is. Something he's -- beyond some antihistamines ice ice age and i say he's."

" Not high seas building something for the long term he's not going to push the panic button. He's going to have build confidence he's going to be consistent he's not going to get all crazy -- one game and in the long run. That's going to relax the team and in in give them a better feeling about him if he pulled out all stops trying to win."

" When the process he knew exactly what level headed for Red Sox standards that's that's -- red -- is -- there for red -- we've had -- I'm I'm not I'm like that doctor Jim I'm always doctor Jim and we had this is actually -- rehab station people call up to -- that. You. Know get off the off the Snyder whatever we'll help you with your baseball probably exactly. Now you genuine you're in the -- 67 when when -- that tillotson after -- after joke for you to grand slam we use their that brawl at 67 that the Red Sox Yankees had yeah -- only their to censure trapattoni and and Petra Sally fight each other again i was yes -- standing there watching. Reggie Smith karate flipping -- hoping somebody but i love it now i heard it that committed the arrow was in the outfield taking your shoes off because he said that they were lethal weapons because he was a karate expert -- the."

" you try to do as you try to find somebody in the united team that you roomed with onetime warrior you're old college buddy were minor league. And and -- pretend like you're writing serial like you're doing something -- the that managers you know -- Keane guy you're out there their scuffling around but it. And. You greener. Do anything serious."

" Did. You what did you guys start having been in in Red Sox Yankee brawls in your career involved with a more on the sidelines or what have you what did you think of the the what is most memorable matter to more recent Red Sox fans -- which was the A-Rod -- text skirmish -- when he shoved his glove in his face back -- four."

" That's catchers they just do and i mean it A-Rod was melted off and you just don't melt off to a guy like -- you know and he just he just rubbed his glove in his face it was it was monitoring and punch -- anything else they just got it and and they danced a little bit. The. President pitchers i think behind the -- they got into -- bind there there were a couple of guys didn't like each other right Tanyon Sturtze sturtze at a variety em it moves you know there -- you there -- rolls around you think very technique uses special solution to get the lip gloss off his catcher's -- entry pushed that number -- space guys. They're that is a -- at that little purple pink lip gloss on all the time John Bedford you're next on sports radio ability Jim."

" My youngest borrowing over here especially when -- talk about you know you know talking about can't deep well correct me if I'm wrong but -- seen the size of that. And and will do any damage from the -- get involved that i saw people jumping honesty and yes get involved with that i was stopped but when the animals that i column -- to get."

" No no i was already -- my arm was in a slaying Charlie moss was lead me off in a man jumped out and i -- up against the wall with my spikes right in his yes and they -- him off like -- today is -- six little marks up there that kind of looked like two triangles and his chest."

" I have to. Mr. i don't know of their foreign coming up what the big league July enjoy map back i enjoy knowing that gum but had been named they come up with -- the different -- is that insisting."

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" That it's genius stuff you know."

" Just talk about this through generations and yeah just talk about the game tonight as a community and he is coming in the game i trying to get mopped all that wasn't what it was your fault I couldn't it couldn't deal on them. And. It continues gonna is gonna blow this game you know."

" Rudy Seanez has been -- now caballero. Needs horsemen at vanity i love the guy i loved when he came up people ultimate fighter it was he is a great guy and he's got. He'd -- three to break a ball it was a break him all i Campbell -- Giambi didn't swing at it because it was a strike for a long time and it only ended up -- side by two inches the very end at the very end and i thought you know i i don't fault him Michael ball a bad ideas. It can happen portly the -- kids should have been out there they -- agents from six innings Friday -- in the -- that donate product apple on the -- in the ninth you know 'cause it's gonna rain tomorrow anyway. But I don't think these guys watch the weather channel like --"

" I. Think looking ahead doubleheader on -- got tired out but that I don't think you at least seemed to want to played double adamant that tembo i think."

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" though what was coming -- memories of the Yankee Red Sox finally dealt."

" Well I've we've fought all the time i remember -- so i remember. This fighting a Yankees gunmen -- 76 a -- 76 they were bad and 75 they -- that bad 75 out they started coming -- when Steinbrenner bought the team he put his money where his -- i don't remember i -- and they got back against them and they got billions shape for two years while they're renovating exceed one year rather -- i don't 34."

" story that i found out about the. The Yankees when they start playing union dropped it was -- a ball field with the giants i believe that the New York Giants say even better -- Brooklyn dodger talk and -- and that and that indeed the owner of the to the other team the award she had a field of them. He thought -- and i am. Examined the Bronx they would have to move quietly who was right what was wrong. Well the internet so I'm alone in the Bronx than."

" You think so John and the giants have a very nice ballpark in San Francisco. They're doing -- and there on the west coast and there and there they're not sweating high on summer sultry night and worrying about getting shot they're going down to though war from walking along. And going to dimaggio is restaurant and -- goma isn't and having a civilized life on the west."

" A play for the Yankees in the early 60s as disputed New Year rookie was 62 Jim and that that you're believed to play the giants the World Series at one that one yeah will we win that we -- in seven games have -- that California your first three years you were in three World Series."

" I. Was an in the 62 affairs. You -- i wasn't okay i almost pitch the seventh game when Whitey ford had hurt his arm early in the series and he couldn't pitch the seventh game in nobody pitched the seventh game that we rested. And we indeed an announced Tuesday pitched seven game to because of that everyone knew it was going to be me. As a rookie -- want to tell me you know be up all night worrying about the game and so i knew i was going to be pitching because in because he knew we weren't saying who was paintings i knew was me. Anyway so i get a good night's sleep woke up in the morning and to Jack -- hotel -- new curtains raining raining all day long. But then they didn't announce who's going to pitch game seven -- going to play the next day and still going to be me. Next day welcome -- three days of rain but it time is the rain stopped Ralph Terry was rested he pitched the seventh game."

" That's exactly would have in the millions in 75 and -- rings three straight days and TI an in depth starting game six tonight and -- the pitch game six. And I was well rested i win game six -- game seven don't rest or it could be a different story could very will be let's go to. It's -- who's next here it's Fred in the car Fred you're on sports radio -- in my journal."

" Tell -- got lucky mr. Foster parents aren't a threat i don't. It cannot opt have been real real good supporting it wouldn't be guys within twelve position. We have to keep at it and it's just don't kill people hostage because without it he's such as envelopes -- did last night. They want it was couldn't kick off i mean what's going on."

" Well i Taylor for a i got really frustrated last night an India and this is what happened the Red Sox got down thirteen victory and suddenly they take out many on line up in the fourth inning. Maybe it was the fourth and they take very attacked out to me that's like Tito saying i would his games lost. They don't yet. But. It president is that the right attitude who at the home run from the catcher's spot after mirabelli I mean if if the Yankees can score seven runs in one inning as the but it last night kept the Red Sox do that also would they not have the confidence and isn't that kind of folding the tent and thrown in now is not against."

" There's two ways to look at that you its allocated taken the stars at the humorous that you would also look at it the other -- going to give a -- chance to get some innings and to keep them sharp to keep them. Act too often that time the only part that."

" And we were going to get that many and they're going to get the -- we're going to have to beat him we get mussina out after five or six and then beat up their bowl and we didn't beat up their --"

" Well especially Russia moderately is assuming the slow progression -- Jason -- crowd and 20 much -- mr.. It's because the World Baseball Classic at a lot of guys i have yet to a lot to work with went even happened in the preparation evidently. But. It doctor also -- i don't need -- simple question on another issue one eight. You got off to a -- party did based out of it you."

" They generally that that is a factor in in all the bad performers disease and a and a yacht. You. Know slows -- because all Santana was strong lights out early on in the World Baseball Classic but he had two losses there's a lot of vague it takes a lot of -- when your plan for pride for your country. Before the season even starts you're you're wasting a lot of emotion in everything and they've got to find a way to do it during the season and suspending the games and doing it in the ball parks and allowing. The revenue to be recouped -- day you know and for a country still won't shoulder blades a feel so I'm not playing is not pain in me."

" Roger Clemens was involved in a little bit -- he takes a couple months off -- speaking of him do you think that the reason and he waited so long to make this deal with Houston's -- signing a may first when he could have missed as he wants to save enough so he has enough in the tank in the post season to be. Active Roger Clemens is opposed to in effect."

" Well it's all the matter reached at 22 Meehan pro rated i think he knows how much he got tweaked -- tweaked his groin in his hamstring in the game when he got beat by the Mexicans. You. Know how to like that after going back to San Antonio in the Alamo on your last loss is against the Mexicans. That's why we're built in the dam wall. Idea part of it they -- he wanted to pitch to his son or something Kobe year. He's got it already dead elated to have me do that but i just love to see Roger lose because i never thought Roger when a big game for the Red Sox never never -- big game and -- ICM it'll strike -- When it's 28 degrees and in Detroit -- against Seattle and that he beat Oakland is ousted -- he was he did he BA made didn't he didn't he he actually matured would Duquette got rid of him and said he was over the -- that's when he turned his career triple crowns with Toronto pitching exactly and with the Yankees and everything else that was used and the guy he has. Unbelievable he has a reincarnation -- 22 million dollars -- guys know to support kind of money that is takes me four years to make her."

" What what what are different here is raddatz wants armies of the highest paid member of the Red Sox Maurice but it board has 6465. Asked 65000 dollars a year would you make regular that would."

" It's not -- the only guys make in money -- pulled back in the 60s to the Yankees do think what we're adults 28 made the all star team and pitched in the World Series race with 10500 dollars I. Had to hold now for three weeks to get an 8000 calories while the following year my average salary for eight years in the major league he meant that nineteen that's just unbelievable had to work in the offseason to support -- baseball habit that's right. Laying carpet you know painting houses delivering oil exactly -- we had a we had a basketball team myself ed crane Larry Bernard the -- action and Dick McAuliffe who played for the tigers but he lived in Connecticut Connecticut and we had a we had a bunch of guys playing basketball. And. We have 50 dollars and and we would play high school faculties who were looking to raise money for band uniform 50 bucks each that we each got 50 dollars. And of course we were undefeated beating these high school faculties Meehan we have foolproof method we would double team the gym teacher in that the biology teacher free."

" We -- you run defeat -- this margaritas -- And. Then tickets through -- bigger the gym teacher who has now I've mentioned equipment just a year earlier eueu the First Amendment you would Dick raddatz the first two major league most unusual in the 60s -- dramatic did what it is i don't know it was crazy of the. You. Know arrested -- he says it last time i saw him alive i don't care to say that -- not been changed at 40. But i don't think they've got me thinking definite speaking engagement in 64."

" They're now under -- probably -- and he might well grant for an hour to sign autographs what i don't know what -- your major -- my -- to -- drunk in the EMC two I. Don't. Know i i was given qualities that every bomb in -- it was a great orators has given away I'd still portraits of this in the i should be in the hall they just on them -- drinks I've -- the record it's a record what we -- humid 82 year 8282 what was your -- salary things changed my -- two 100000 Ali took home 85 because i was at Montreal I can't believe that the federal government out there between a provincial -- and an Indian attack in my US to act and act in Cleveland you know I took on nothing -- in the tax due in Cleveland while they should be able to charge Cleveland -- i don't we -- well I'll let you know visiting Cleveland letting you know basically it was the first place to act guys that tax and working in their city their city clerk for Jack -- its editors have a plane crashing Cleveland's been inevitable weight in."

" Now we may -- i -- i said that involved four -- of Jack i have acknowledged that it's as simple or even have a plane unit of the plane's going to go down in Cleveland in my eyes will be on an inbound flight."

" I'm glad it was Stewart that -- Bloomberg let's go to -- admit that when -- next i would -- about mid bill Lee i don't let."

" But -- i just want to dark Belgian bonds last comeback because -- front office from the 1970 it's of them braves -- and Jim came in may. And. The manager with a guy game Barbie dues as a veteran minor league coach maybe coaching with the. That. The major league -- nobody -- he brought a lot of people for the ballpark the first 90 page with a Friday we gave away we can't give away anywhere brought a copy of ball fluttered at half price it was a great attraction for us. That's something happened -- Work on the front office gave to put out in the bullpen in his -- baseball promotions work i don't i don't ever remember Jim pitching in relief we can't go on the road with a cane but when it came traveled this seem to be a lot of rain -- The rain -- created double headers -- ecstatic Jim of course the knuckle ball at that time in his career so we started -- still it's built parks around the what was that was probably spent a lot of it was suddenly so left it was quite --"

" It. Was great one i think -- won twelve games in a couple of months."

" And I got called up right we will only -- seven usually playoffs."

" Ankle -- accident in Atlanta Braves had the best record of anybody in the braves and it's a minor league system and he says it was a publicity stunt. They're trying to win twelve games at double i now have a stunt and as it is that's that's done you don't don't realize how good a double label players."

" The best that the prospects were aaa as the suspects are you were 39 when you made that certainly could you your last year -- you're you're 1970 finished up with Houston you came back in 78 and you were in five games four Atlanta it and you you were you were we were basically at the end of -- of the natural."

" Yeah i came back at 39 within the global. And the Dodgers knocked me out of the box in the fourth inning on the first game back and they were saying it was like pitching and there was like batting against the Bozo the clown and have anything on the ball mostly junk. And. Then the giants. And the Cincinnati Reds complained -- the commissioner there was a pennant race between the Dodgers and giants in -- to that they should have a chance and he also wasn't there and to teach me in so Ted turner beats being at the giants and the -- The next games against the giants beat the giants. Shrugged Arnold on a knocked them out of the pennant race and then it's against Cincinnati and that he was a complete game these papers to five -- news he DB two one. That."

" C had an -- that last Toronto what finally was the end for you or me when you."

" added that was it was gone through a divorce and i really used a home in with the kids and who caught your knuckle ball Bruce Benedict at the major league level."

" we've had a little tenement and Joe Nolan a big you know dramatic experience here when Doug Mirabelli was traded. San Diego and than we had Josh Bard -- nine passed balls games against the knuckle ball there were guys. Back then is or not maybe not 78 but one with sneak it was negro at CNN filmmaker yen -- and so yes these -- specialist catchers have for the of the knuckle ball and so bare belly came jetting back in from San Diego on a late night flight every thought the world was going to be over for Tim Wakefield threw."

" It. Is really hard to catch the remarkable the best stuff i ever had nine. In my life was a knuckle ball against the Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pirates in 1970 when Seattle -- bird and they stick we independent race against the pirates. And pirates beat before it too in canyon and they struck at eleven guys eleven pirates including Luis cardinal a couple of times of -- Austrian i -- and knuckle ball was ongoing at the home -- look like like a corkscrew. And it's really and and all the catcher can do which is trying to -- is trying to knock it yeah around contain it just try to contain it via -- way they beat me as they struck at the first better leave we'll leave off the tenth was Matty Alou. And. The ball went right down hit the plane went back to the backstop and Fannie -- swung and missed and he's on first base after he struck out."

" low one of the four Alou brothers i don't know if you guys know this as long as you're a major league baseball it was a pesos Mattie -- and Bob Bob -- The the youngest and do what much -- we gotta take a break we'll be back with Jim Bowden Billy -- of zero u radio"