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Red Sox Road to Redemption Game 4 Bradford & Speier

Oct 27, 2013|

Rob Bradford and Alex Speier open the show discussing the Red Sox epic loss last night on the controversial play in St. Louis of Game 3 of the World Series.

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This is a WEEI special broadcast part of our 24/7 coverage of the Red Sox road to redemption. Same reason vision. Charging victory in a long long run on the track. -- Presented by Suffolk university in front June guard play Atlantic where we're going. DMB financial and -- smoke shop. I drive -- better than our network Lon gone. On Sports Radio WEI. You better believe this special edition. You better believe it. -- top sports stadium I'm rob Bradford WEEI dot com and Alex here also this very organization. The legal right like I'd be big. Where that might. Good job but I guess I could not criticize -- all. Did you just ran up your parking the car in the lovely Busch Stadium parking lot -- there it is today Alex here in Saint Louis evidently you account the needs and I and I've just excited about postseason baseball media pundits. Talk about that we give me the phone number right navigate. Right out of the gate bantam 617779. 79837. I don't keep you updated with the patriots it is to the Google down fourteen degree. By and tell you why have a that yeah how about that what you know. By and tell you what Alex what a date to be on talk radio on sport for a UW the talking about what happened in the Red Sox game last night talking about what's going to happen tonight. Is it is just a perfect storm. Of events where we can talk about it and I invite you. The caller 6177797. 9370 join us if you like but -- really get right into it. Yeah we have two hours of hard core Red Sox talked with the temperature year don't forsee 55 degrees. The tide here is one away it's 20 wait I understand back in Boston a world of difference this is like in all we're missing is -- WER helicopter idea to ask you all the information. Alex you -- unbelievable column today on W dot com well done. Thanks all right thanks in now and ask you. What is it. It regrets the play to drink plenty calls I understand what he calls. Diagnosing -- play lasting deep play there -- a lot of play capital but it was only -- -- he won the play what was the biggest take away for you. After going through the clubhouse after listening to everybody after really digested the rule. The event seeing the video what was your biggest take away from. The disparity between the perception of injustice in the accurate enforcement of the law. That's a good one. Oh yes and and so if you can elaborate I know you're talking about I mean it's such cutting feeling for our teams lose that way -- -- way that they've never seen a lot's happened before. You can you can comprehend a walk off loss that seems fair pitcher makes a bad pitch. It's goes very far you lose you block with head in shame right I guess that's how lock up losses -- a -- A block of loss is not supposed to work where do you think you've just completed the single. Biggest defensive swing what Roddy Jones Donnie Jones said be the best double play in World Series history I mean I think that's a little bit of it now. I don't come much good out there -- there aren't any jobs yet because there were two missed plays on the there're two horror at elements of the play in two unbelievable elements of the play. The Red Sox had just committed had just had just concluded they thought. The single most impact full defensive play at World Series history all night that I throw out out two runners at the plate. Both of whom would have won the game on a walk off on the same play. So this is. Is what they thought they had just accomplished and instead all of a sudden. You see had dug out of cardinals streaming towards Allan Gregg who the hell knows if he's ever touched on it still by the by the way the dugout of cardinal streaming toward home plate even before I think a lot the Red Sox players knew exactly what was going on you had in the same -- I just jumped it used so bad in the same breath she didn't spit and if you had you had Red Sox players celebrating. Why the cardinals players are -- And that you had Red Sox players who looked like they had just had their lunch money stolen which you know -- -- had yet so you had you know the cardinals streaming towards -- you have will middle Brooks and John -- and Dustin Pedroia. All charging towards home plate would you hot who kind of slumped to his knees when he saw Saltalamacchia is -- taking up down the left field might -- -- standing on the periphery. Just looking like he had no idea what just happened. Seeking an explanation they were getting an explanation explanation for the Red Sox because of their vantage point this is kind of the Russian minor effect. Where your perspective is going to necessarily color. Your view of the moral universe. The Red Sox are standing there and they you know they they wonder how on earth can this be obstruction. What could bald -- Brooks and -- He dove in order to keep the ball from going down the left field by what put their narrative even after which was their narrative right reflect -- have done he was off the baseline he -- -- he dove to his. Here's -- is not -- -- -- -- here are some of the things that we heard from the clubhouse were going through the Red Sox explanation. Guys who had seen the video guys who hadn't seen the video guys just wanted to find a way out of this from the Red Sox respect them. Number one was he was not the base that. Rhetoric if you watch it he was clearly in -- almost in line with -- the inside the grass right all of the outside the grass was now we know that that. It does not -- Correct the base runner establishes his own baseline and so what happened on that play is that Craig. Has slid into has slipped to third base but -- spot he's tracking the ball so it turns his head to the left as he. As he sees the ball get by middle Brooks either going down the left field -- it's what he stands up from the base he takes off. From that spot toward the plate -- slid to the inside of the bag never -- the crossed the bag so he was inside the baseline he gets up and he starts running. On a straight line towards home which is in fact which which is in fact kind of triangle. Rather than rather than being on the charts it's legally. Inside the -- well that leads me to another part of what was going throughout the Red Sox clubhouse because again these guys are trying to find things. That makes makes some sense in regards to. They're saying this cannot happen right now they still want the plate be they still obstruction -- to -- over -- to be able to go back cover of another thing Google it was a little more outside the box as you said when he got up he actually takes one quick step towards acted with more of a balanced thing right but it took one quick step towards their supports acted so they're saying. If you make him move toward second you have to read parts third base -- did -- do I think that you know that may be crossed splitting here. I think it is because I'm not sure that he I guess that the interpretation would be that he never really made a move toward second base he just kind of stood up yet that one I suppose could be a matter of subject to interpretation certainly now now another one is that when you look at -- Brooks is. To me. And I can't prove this -- middle Brooks Susan admitting to it but to me it's his. Instant reaction was to lift is like I think the umpire saw that or some umpires on that not even necessarily a third base umpire but it. -- -- saw that it immediately that looks like obstruction now. If you look at when Craig goes all bring -- right leg is actually down on the ground but people will say this people will say well he was you saw the leg up. So he was already trying to avoid the leg. And that's where he kind of stumbled over middle sweep all regional sweep the -- at exactly 617779. 79837. We're gonna talk about this play a lot over the next two hours we're also gonna get into -- -- -- we have to everyone wants to move toward everyone wants doc about the here and now we understand that. And it is also fascinating what Clay Buchholz might present today and also how old Clay Buchholz is existence affected John Ferrell moved last night and there's a lot of moves to breakdown productive -- him talk about the way we'll talk about a lot of federal decisions accompanied move the -- he -- -- out of the capital commitment -- there's a lot of its -- vision is absolutely. -- 6177797937. Fourteen to three Miami still up -- the pages were talking Red Sox live from Busch Stadium. Alex beer I'm rob Bradford this go right to the phone lines we have read in Spencer Greg are you doing today. -- Harry I'm. I'm Boca while I've done here barely hear Gregg ROK you mean out. IQ yes I could hear you well enough. Well lots. I will -- -- get given another world. That's one down -- one down so -- -- -- another world let's go to John John and miniature. On ideal. What got done. Well I got you didn't I just left and potential wedge in hockey palace and ceremony and I thought that was the raiders on them shut out jab -- relate. I didn't think it was right there that was. -- -- -- -- about football stripes so inconsistent. What specifically -- these. Strike on Al buried. Outside. Tikrit the seventh with a runner on second. And that I just thought that Bob districts are incredibly consistent. At bat out of a couple Red Sox in. And I'm surprised no -- Well John it's it is deployed thanks for call and you know it. Balls and strikes you look on Twitter last night the topic of conversation. Right there's no question about it dated the group with the of the whole plate umpire he's been a lot of stuff yet -- that -- But as we get to the end of the game late jaundice that I have surprised no one's talking about it. It's kind of dwarfed by everything else that was going on Tuesday because it was so much going on the game. And with the balls and the strikes if it was a game remember -- Joseph Joseph west game. The first game at Detroit at Detroit -- part right that was one of the biggest topics of conversation even though he was at a pretty good day right. In retrospect she was pretty much spot on but this was a very different one when you saw. When you sub the the screen shots that people are taking a -- effects. And what was being what was being called strikes and balls. There would be you know like Felix who brought for instance had sequences which who's doubling up on pitches they were pretty well within the strike zone like these weren't just. You know this is -- full insurance -- in spite of the zone to die as as it would read out on. It's about what -- you know what it was it was you he was having an off capable sides of the -- Seattle both teams. Congratulation right exactly so what we're looking military and today yes acts that's where -- screaming from the press box via this metallic Terry mistake you're making dated him. -- after the game in the game answers so much to talk about and balls and strikes that pushed to the back burner because as you said. It's understood he was back for bowl sides. But. Other than the play apple -- apple right. What does a secondary thing that you think was the most important the most noteworthy. In terms of a talking point I guess the most controversial. In terms of basketball certainly most controversial that's that's kind of a lay up to me that's where John Ferrell. Did not pull the trigger on either just straight up pinch hitting for for Brandon Workman. I'm at a time when he was probably going to bring would you how to into the game and the subsequent inning right we're still working out again agreement that get one out. Getting one out giving up a bloop hit it was on a good pitch -- -- You could have been to a very easily. But anyway yep John Carroll's decision to let Brandon Workman hit for himself. Which in turn that are reflected both -- decision not to use Mike Napoli in that spot in the guys in the top of the ninth straight up pensioner. Or an inability to double switch with Jarrod Saltalamacchia who finished. Who had finished I believe the the seventh the top of the eighth inning. -- for Britain and work the next game so Saltalamacchia punched out to conclude the -- that -- might have been a good spot pitcher with Napoli yet he -- double stories and did not tell us this is this is the -- after the fact he said I'd catch it it was a mistake. Before we go the break it and I see you all lined up will get to you. Lot of -- talk about keep the conversation going 617779. 79837. As the road to redemption we're live at which stadium in Saint Louis Alex -- rob Bradford. Or go to the break let's go Mike in Baltimore by how you doing today but without. Can gentlemen here's what bothers me. It's the attitude didn't take it toward the empire on these controversial call him to give me an example. QQIC. The play. With the Dodgers and cardinals in game one of your series where Yadier Molina got credit report out. On the -- like the ninth or tenth inning. In the in the first -- Riots occurred. With the collision at the plate. He didn't tackle. He got credit for the yelled into normal -- I'm talking about. And national really irks me everybody in the media national media fox they also the same thing what you can't blame the umpire for about one. You know there are we gonna give the catcher of the hole on that one. So I'm truly confused that the fans when the empire make mistakes we say well that's baseball. When they when they make that call -- people wanna say you can't make it at that time of the game. After watching sports for forty years. Why is that considered one of the ten commandments that you can't make. A big call weight gain why why we always been programmed that way. Well I I think -- moving on from that more and more broadly overtime and the fact of the matter is stated. We we are reaching the point where we no longer. Except human error as one of the beauties of the game I always thought that was terrible lied document at all but what does of the game -- that's why we're getting replay. It's going to be implemented more broadly. What is things. And I think that. Did hold water for me after the game was what you can't make that play them. I mean you can't make that call that you can't have a World Series game determined by that call. And either it's the right call or it's wrong call we understand letter of the law that's what it was it was a letter of the law. But can also understand the red sox' frustration when will middle Brooks is being told well. You were at fault there because you -- you get out you away you -- make yourself invisible that's it they're telling him you'd make yourself invisible which will -- Brooks said. How much what to do that I just -- They understood can't -- -- and in fact Joseph Torre said this vote in the post game press conference -- again on MLB network after the fact. He said it's the law it's not fair. It's the law. Listen there's a lot to get to 6177797937. Clay Buchholz on the mound today for the Red Sox. We're gonna talk about doubt we'll talk about what we expect from them what. Really resides for the Red Sox going forward. Maybe after Clay Buchholz if things don't work out for him we're also gonna talk about. We little bit what we discussed earlier which was the seventh inning decisions the eighth inning decisions all of that I I really wanna get into that seventh inning because the everything focusing on the eighth and the -- the seventh inning was also very very interesting to me probably talk about that right after this. Had about level. I was pretty excited. The this. As the originals and so. You know before -- dive for the ball there that are going nowhere to go to -- -- get -- he's on top of me so. We -- we're gonna -- there. So. I don't know it's tough. That is will -- Brooks. Boston Red Sox. Center of the storm eye of the hurricane. Is I don't know what salty. We're gonna get to that second I'm rob Bradford WEEI dot com that's Alex spear of the same organization where at Busch Stadium I atop which stadium in the broadcast Booth. With a great Joseph Castiglione the great -- bride the great -- -- will -- be broadcasting later. But this is the road to redemption. This is a special addition the Brad -- show all the way up to until 4 o'clock. Your phone calls are welcome 61777979837. They're all lined up right here people are fired up. People wanted -- people want to predict what's gonna happen that I. And by the way patriots losing 73 half but more importantly Alex -- you might take. On the seventh -- I'd probably -- step before the break you did and what does this kind of set the scene for the -- for the next two innings that the rest of the game -- what John -- was gonna do. And may be where he was a little bit inconsistent that so. You go and you pinch hit. You can sell out with pinch hitters there you pinch hit for. -- Yes true so what you -- shepherd through with Mike -- Now now now at that point I'm sorry I'm not I'm I'm that's -- struggling with the with that with the reenactment of the -- yet -- all that's okay well it was it was the -- that you sold off for pensioners right and you're getting no production you went three up three down. And the last month old dog Jonny Gomes was in there aren't yet Jonny Gomes and so okay. You sold off for pensioners Buick taken Felix to brought out of the game because of it. And a lot of people had a problem that without because. Eight -- brought was pitching pretty well -- you got no production from the pinch -- that I don't have a problem with that because Johnny Gomes is a guy -- can -- home I'm sorry it was -- -- -- -- pinch -- for drew. No bricks through living go through there Purdue brought correct right. So you have a couple guys who could hit a home run up I don't know probably that the value jumped four to let it work and it. Double switch decide not double switching aside you that Workman hit they say -- it's gonna get through this inning. But you also have a guy on the bench same thing can hit a home run right and if you've already done it. Then why are you doing it there I I understand. That you looking down on the lie right defense replacement. But this and we I think we both agreed this is where Ferrell has gotten in trouble in the past throughout the course of the season which he's managed a great great season we understand that. But typically when he's gotten in trouble of looking too far down right line yes absolutely and it was interesting because. That's LeBron situation to -- -- very well he had perhaps pulling on his side of it probably could've continued for awhile more I'm not sure with the with the match ups were. In the in the in the bottom of the seventh that would -- five. -- -- agree it's -- Brigham -- right right right so you're going left -- so -- -- Fresno run to brought presumably would have matched up justice favorably. In that situation as as depressed yet to edit -- edit also so you're limiting what you brought how he pitches to throw for 545 -- -- 125 pitches. And enters the conversation about how John Ferrell was benching last night. In relation to what could transpire today we're gonna get to that second but let's go back to the calls again you can join. The conversation at 61777979837. I'm rob Bradford alongside with Alex spear. -- go Louis Louis. -- I do us. Pretty good. On a common ground game last night absolutely. I think -- -- it will actually ability. He cheated got -- Or -- why didn't press conference when he said that the letter went on top look at there are at the video. Yet it would take place -- not only that it is -- swat team that played twice. It is physically impossible war. Approach to give up off the ground here lately and what he should've done was to remain on the ground lack. And I think it would have been OK. Are you got to remember that cute watching this. We'll -- they should be -- it should not be likely. -- Apologize to America. Well -- thanks for the car I -- I'm sure that's exactly what are thinking about the kids of America -- gonna say a few things because there -- just played probably about 35 times between the hours Bob between the hours of god knows when this game ended when it broke my article in the wee hours but -- undoubtedly did in fact kind of all over at least he kind of had to balance himself while he stumbled over middle Brooks. Pushing his hands onto his back. Middle -- that -- Is trying to make a movements whether to get up or to get out of the way in in doing that it's his legs that go up I don't think it will -- -- had any intent I. I personally don't think that Mel Brooks was trying to trip him. But even if he was tried to trip him whether he was -- was not trying to -- -- back is he did trip them. So at that point the umpires and over and over and over -- doesn't matter. So regardless of what his whether or not he was trying to engage in shenanigans of chicanery. Doesn't matter was still alive it was still obstruction by the letter of the law this goes both ends even though I hadn't been able to move out of the even if he would remain stationary and flat. The facts that the fact that at that point his defense of play is over in that Craig ran into him it's still by the letter of law right obstruction. Letter of the law which isn't easy for Wilma Brooks take and as you said no matter what he his intentions were in that split second. It's hard to argue that he would be able to get. Lift his body get out of the way the runner. And that's what he's thinking when he's making those comments after the game the -- Hired told me this and how bright -- to do that right how can the lobby this way and I was just lying there flat on my belly unable to move when Allen Craig's stumbles over me. In pushes his hands into my back accidentally. How can that be outplayed that you know for that is adjudicated to be against the rules and these things are right now absolutely and if you read the the entirety of all the stories today. All the reaction I think the majority of people majority of writers majority of people who actually look through. The the rules look through the the video. I think that the overriding consensus was that umpires got it right by the letter of the law but it's a tough break for the Red Sox because. Really there was nothing they could Don and -- It's right and you know what of the other one of the other fascinated element is that the letter of the law. Does does provide some wiggle room it says you know in in giving the example that's basically identical to what happened with -- Brooks. It says. In that case where a few -- fielder. -- dives after a ball and remains on the ground such that such that the runner doesn't enjoy an unimpeded path TV. Path to path forward it is very likely. Put a quote very likely. Obstruction does not say it is structured it is very likely start -- as Alex spear formalize -- cranked up but you can join the conversation 61777979837. It is. 138 in Saint Louis 238 and Boston temperature and Saint Louis is 55 I have no idea what the temperature in Boston is but. Maybe Norman -- like -- -- -- you don't. Higher ticket about sixty went into little -- bonus for you senate vote -- it it it. It -- beginning -- -- what is it a -- tell you what I'll tell you what -- the sun is out here it's a beautiful beautiful day but go ahead would've gotten on well. I just lay prone on the ground at the whatever we do back at -- -- -- quickly. And I didn't have to pick might speed up a little bit to get to -- -- get to my arm straight and straighten out. And you need to take into consideration that little breaks knowing the blog I'd -- him. That the runner might get cut or rundown who's gonna play at third base side and -- and a so he's not done. Potentially still in the play. But the thing that really bugged me was I was in another room so I want you to verify. I was listening to the interview with the umpires. And Karen -- and the umpires made it clear that -- it doesn't matter is the if the obstruction is inadvertent the runner has -- right yet to -- player also noticing that that runner is pretty but. Inside the -- -- the student yes. You know didn't get pushed up the Ireland might have been able to go who have been with the outside but. Why did -- why did I hear them talking to Jim Joyce -- -- he prefers to create. Well Allen -- was trying to get around. And middle Brooks was in this way so one guy is -- by its first name and the other guy is referred to always I did flattening. -- -- -- that looked adorable -- let me just tell you have taken this to another level I -- for this knowledge that you simulate this play in your living room. But amazing you have also. You have also broken down how -- the umpires are because of the way the reference guy's name. That is a true Red Sox fan right here I commended. Yeah I would I would say that in terms of the suggestion of of conspiracy. With regards to -- first name references. Craig -- -- first baseman is probably on a much more conversational basis -- added -- -- it also it let's be yards it's also first thing. Obi -- you have 21 names in the right guy's name right analytical Iraq yet. So maybe he's mixing it up in these name was Craig I mean look like by by the standards set by Bobby Valentine -- -- that if pumping well middle road willow grove where at -- book will result again analysts well there was Matt Albert's. President are for actions and yeah. And did he also dropping Iglesias or was he our -- -- -- Yeah but it printed printed that was area Souza and those digitized books are deployed boy Alex those circuit tied with six run a separate. 7797937. As the all lined up votes -- Alice on. Hunter Bob Alex you all fired up. Patriots are still looking by the way. But more importantly Alex spear myself rob Bradford revered sports stadium we are here to answer your questions to to be here for you all your venting all your predictions. Everything that you wanna know about last night and everything you wanna know about what's gonna happen. Tonight -- going to be -- I don't know if you do this but they have not been eliminated yet it's only two on yes it's hard to believe it's also hard to believe that they ever let the series what nothing after destroying the cardinals in game one they have about Louis cardinals have roughly -- -- -- -- -- -- at. I guess I'm rob Bradford that's Alex -- we get to all your calls -- gonna talk more about and -- John Farrell did last night how he managed not only in the controversial move that he made a double switch. By how he managed when looking toward what he has at his disposal tonight. We do got after the wrapped up EI dot com. -- today. The statue of the rulings with the glory of ours. He had in case you missed it Alex and are walking outside -- stadium. Adding to the park heading toward our job which stadium bush a -- What is certain that I was like yeah it's an homage to which they're absolutely. I've you do that you do it but we're watching outside -- card and there was a statute. And they have all these statues outside and in new can be an eyewitness to this ice this statue. And I screamed that anything. Ice cream and day to you but as a setback. It is it is uncanny based by the arm angle it like where it's only the ball. Like everything about the delivery does screen and played the cardinals and yes exactly this is the Julian Tavarez world. Yours it well obviously it was -- the men in I took a picture or put on -- on Twitter name speaking of Twitter. You can reach me on Twitter at Brad faux live T shirts for sale not really someday. That's at Brad pro and Alex -- at Alex spears SP yeah. -- -- Sales cycle McDonald yet he's ad out against I won't be as Alex spear. And I just read out this Alex this what you. Let's read out a link to a post that we have up now on WEE. -- dot com. Which -- up hole what climate change you said the Red Sox make for a team for the World Series. And there are some good questions and we're gonna get into this in the second I also all the cause they see all lined up to told what for second. -- Saltalamacchia. Vs David Ross. That's one Dave Ortiz vs Mike Napoli Stephen Drew verses theater Bogart's. Which Red Sox starter at third base in a -- will middle Brooks or Mike Napoli which -- that was the joke. Who would least like to see in left field dingle -- Jonny Gomes. And who would you like to see start game four of the World Series -- buckles Ryan Dempster due to brought Jon Lester all great questions I think this is. Heading into today and we're gonna get the -- up in. About hour and a half we don't know we'd better know they get it while we -- -- have -- we don't know but until that we can talk about it we will talk about it but let's get to the coffers of the people are hanging on. We've talked it was so hunter in New York ideally dale hunter. Here. Hello yes. Punter. Yes. Did you wonder why we thirty Britain and I depressed and mighty umpires. A -- together on game one got together they need to correct call can be exploited but Al. They have each whole structure and call on -- -- -- -- just a game over you look at that I didn't get it really talks. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- What -- the call within our games are there will be good colleague and you don't get out. You are -- why he what we are. Why are and are likely to -- what you are vulnerable are. Odds are sorry I grew weaker you're breaking up but we'll get to the efforts question and I'll I'll try to address it. So you go back to win that play happening game one where they -- conferred they talked about that after the game how they look at each other and clearly you had a group of umpires. All of recognizing that that was the wrong call they look at each other at -- that. See that there is a major disagreement there that's when they get together they have signals they have non verbal signals that they use in order to indicate we Houston we have a problem yes -- and and would that play last night. If you looked at it from the -- point of view from anywhere on that field. You probably saw the same thing -- -- Jimmy Joyce saw. Right and in fact in the post game press conference. -- John -- who is that it was the crew chiefs said. I've been basically they got into the locker room and they were like that is a great they were they were because they thought that it was a great call by choice. Joyce saw her spec was left field -- that he saw the same thing. The right field umpire I think Doug -- means that he saw the same thing from that vantage point. -- so basically gave you had. Unanimity amongst the umpires and this was the right and if you hear the tone of their voice it's almost. In May be a look -- too much into this but it's almost like they understood they got the -- right call. But there was no glee in getting the right call because they understand the call that the rule itself with flawed in that case. Yeah yeah -- sort of re college shot in Boston just keep the conversation going are you doing I I'm sorry -- -- announced today -- he's our name. Yeah which aren't -- you senator. You know Russia. Thanks aren't yet 0200 on the structure obstructing -- -- silica was the right call. It was there was no good called the lakers a side note from our side you know it looks on the same lute decide to -- Korea right Colleen -- What have you ought to move on book how to -- watching -- on you know pop vocal pitching hand arm. He might he might company admits that he Michael probably like or five Remington in my putting -- brought. Because you are brought him in like midway. And they come in the game he'd bought yesterday so not -- I think Arnold but also -- happened so. Knowledge is dog show and we haven't talked a ton about that and thanks for the call. But this is one of the things that we have -- we had to keep in mind as that game was unfolding in John -- had to keep in mind at that game is unfolding. What are you gonna do to back up Clay Buchholz today -- we all -- it was going to be Felix abroad but then various -- Got in the game you sit through 25 pitches this is going to be one of the biggest things pregame that we can find out which is. If Felix to broad. Available for today's game. -- and if not and is India's long reliever because Brandon Workman is another guy who would typically be able to get multiple innings but he threw thirty plus pitches yesterday. And then we're also doing with in and then not obviously two bronze 125 pitches. What else Alia duck or chemists are not really -- for Denver receiver not the -- if you're looking at clay -- gets in the first inning in just can't do it. Dempster would seem to be the guy absolute -- But it's going to be interesting go back to it's going to be fascinating to find out. If any of these guys are unavailable because there wasn't anybody who threw a ton of pitches you would think that somebody could give you something especially now that. Well yeah I mean -- this is this is getting to the -- of the 2004 ALCS time yup where it's time for people to throw a hundred pitches in three days. That's kind of where there had -- are that you aren't exactly saving these guys for down the road so let me go over the pitch counts of yesterday. TV 64 pitches obviously you wouldn't be consideration. -- -- 25 pitches Breslow five pitches so he's probably available for a multi you know for certainly more than three outs. Whether or not he could give you two full -- is not a question to solid got worked a little bit so that's -- that's a tough 124 pitches from him. Work in thirty pitches that's also a little bit Dicey Koji to a hotter three pitches so he's obviously available for. I mean I I think they were probably try to lean on him for more gallery out all of them jumping on the first -- of them coach Yani you just don't CBC team haters try to do that before. That's a strategy going -- -- avenues if you look at go back to the campus here's where they all try to do is Oprah's. Basically obviously get three pitches -- I know they're going to be around the strike zone but as you point out they don't usually get him before we go to break this go to Alex in Florida Alex. I -- I'm. Alex. Not good guys and I think anybody doing good -- they put all the good thing for you is is he tonight. Debt reduction income connect a war they can be bigger gulf the world secret here's my they're -- McCutcheon on this earlier but this agreement. What an independent of the -- -- -- the OPEC. I don't know what the barrel I think he's dropped the ball in the big color we know play yesterday yesterday Campbell played much more so we need longer lead today -- And why let PD -- world war innings it. You gotta say it will open one of these days you gotta let it start to give up we all want is capable group that united. Tomorrow. So all -- -- belong meant like we'll get probably torment to thank you can't use the clock could remember that brought -- woke up public aren't the warmup. -- that interview that doctor tomorrow released today and you don't even know uphold what is for the people call doesn't know what he's gonna give you. And it seemed like that the bullpen than that and it's been completely mismanaged. And one thing not -- -- in I hate to go back to deal yet -- victory only it'll Grand Slam. But they took loaded one out and I know we but Mike Cutler it would it would Portland particularly in that we had compliment bench. And bases loaded and I know that the result of better fielder and he got beat at the double play in the flat black. He was and always -- the time that went to the National Palace said that you know things change the debate that Oden hasn't happened so. If they tend to log into the carpet and all remote grant -- hindsight but I think at that time that. -- -- -- -- -- I think that that element is completely. -- the I don't know what's gonna happen with -- and tonight and then what about tomorrow. Well I saw all good points and I would just say this about. This is -- no holds -- situation you can't look you can't be looking at resting guys too much you have to be in the here than now more than you have ever bent. And regarding -- It was a tough point. Because he had it figured he had figured things out he was pitching pretty well you want him to go -- game although it -- from the highest stress inning of the game may -- -- sort of but it was certainly I think you're in an American League game he keeps on going may but then you get to the pitcher's spot. You need to get a run there you feel you aren't getting any production from your offense you have an opportunity that's where you make the move. Not the perfect scenario all of the decisions that John Ferrell made yesterday that was why I don't have enormous problem with because at that time I didn't. Enormous problem. Yes so in in the interest of fairness and a comprehensive perspective it's worth pointing this out Jon Carroll had one shining moment when like really terrific moment in this game where he. -- Daniel Nava in the game. -- bad against Randy Choate in basically have this like chicken match stare off. With Mike Metheny and it was -- who -- much to the benefit of the Red Sox when novel whacked the single BR BI single game tying. That's a left field that was that was a big those -- Michael Cooper barrel. That move with with regards to PP. I actually thought he did a really good job of five of managing the peavy situation. He got some went up early when it looked like things might be slipping away fast from TV but he pulled back at the -- he pulled back in order to let them. Give my chance to work out of it which you know that date speaking of over taxing the bullpen could have turned out far more disastrously if he had done. To Japan after in the first inning of the second yeah did it that's that was the danger there right yeah and to meet once -- -- has that incredibly stressful inning of getting a bases loaded. No outs getting out of it great job by him unbelievable quite honestly then you're thinking that he's probably going to be a little bit on fumes after that and you need to start scoring. Yet but yeah you need starts where that was priority that leads us to blighted decisions. That's what we're gonna talk about coming out of the break I see you all lined up Jose Brian Beverly Bob -- all you're gonna get your calls. We're also gonna give you the poll results as we said on WEEI dot com right now we have all the questions for you who should. Play today we have a ball up right now wouldn't give you -- result from -- up all along with -- take. On who should be in the line -- at Otis.

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