Aug 29, 2013|
Mike Salk is joined by Rob Bradford as they breakdown the new Rolling Stone article featuring the shady past of former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez. While the article sheds light on some new facts, it also leaves a lot open to interpretation. Salk and Bradford try to figure out where to draw the line.
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Have you reviewed today's talk -- on WEEI WEEI dot com as well rob Bradford is in for Michael today and it on the to get to it's one of those days who we are overflowing with sports stories rob. And the Red Sox not the least of it went in once again last night late come back for them Torre with a big and it's -- carpet another big hit. Say it over and over and they seem to just find ways to win every time you think they need one they came up with a dollar -- another series now. And it's amazing mind they are they cannot be stopped. And it is news it is there will what was the -- to go on line. If that the story has already been written to really make sense but it was Erica stories are all you have to do if -- plan right. Which is five. I get the point very fatalistic. I get the point goma it's already been -- it's like the harvest we may show a lot of nervous beta VCR tape has already been uploaded it deployed. About Goodwin for them last night and as as one of the many stories today Joseph MacDonald reporting that Peter sure rally. Will get or is very close to an extension with the Bruins will talk to Joseph three clocked. The figure out whether or not that's a good move or not but I I've been -- to talk about the -- -- a story in the in Rolling Stone and I will tell Leo. I I real the story I really get. But why -- -- eight -- benefit destitute they take beat over the coveted out a number for why day today I. Lost it. And now it. Here's a bunch of reasons starting with the fact that it's in rulings and and I'm maybe it's a -- maybe it's absurd. -- grudge about Rolling Stone from a month or so ago to take over the atom of our friends the brought making them and talked about it a little bit. From what I understand I didn't read the article morning and good Michael -- -- -- depth and -- on. Not surprising for Rolling Stone which which does have writers capable of investigative journalism and taking you inside historian and really get away. I thought it was sensationalist and obnoxious and insulting to those most in Boston who were really deep it's your right not to read it Emmys -- thought of that. It wasn't really. A sports story in and we can get people points from other people here for a -- the protest what people protest but I had to read. I could not read all things had been written sixteen pages well written on Aaron Hernandez and on this one no yeah. Yeah -- you have to read this I could not created enemy is part of the job you have to read this -- which talking about but I wanna do not like it that read the bottom line. And I wanna not to like even more made the fact Ron Borges is on there as far as I'm concerned paint the entire sport why because of course what is the periods. Ed McMahon never -- -- a you -- Anything Ron Borges touches when it comes of the patriots is painted my book I don't believe a word that he writes about that team. Everything is is is is is filtered through his. Clouded vision when it comes to build Belcher Robert Kraft and the rest of the patriots and as good as his sources may be as as good a football writers he may be as much knowledge as he may have on the game I don't believe anything he writes about this team because I think it's all been get a drip. He was in the main author of the story was part of it wanted to hear -- element of that department of flip that around on you Mike. Which is Ron Borges as you just said he is a lot of good sources in the game. And so when you have a guy writing the story for Rolling Stone. He needs a guy like that some some good sources in the game are but there's a million people could listen again -- historic and Aaron Hernandez who should. -- -- -- It star in the war where there are a couple of lines as we were saying before there's a couple lines in that story. Which you say those -- Ron Borges like this really grateful for the for the reason for the reasons that you sent. But that doesn't take away from that story they got. It does take away from and a little bit yes well how well everyone first I I don't know but solemn because when I read only one team took the bait burning in mid. Think carries it around my neck and I would quote character issues -- -- Took -- patriots of Bill Belichick and he goes on from that a lot of love. Belichick's signed both big expansion years before their rookie deals expired. Giving Hernandez forty million in gronkowski 54 million. Loss thing Wes Welker in the slot receiver no mention how much older he has like most of Belichick recent -- well I noticed two days if we come back to Burnham yet -- -- the -- -- gronkowski and Hernandez the -- -- -- On that that guy that was a dumb line there's other dumb lines in there by. As you said at the beginning. You look at the story as a whole these -- this is a good story. This is a well researched story a lot of it is it a 100% true we don't know but one thing we do know. That you get the field it is a very while Easter story right. Correct yeah. Yeah they're -- and so with that said. What we take away from this or at least I take away from it. I come back the same conversation. That a lot of us had after the -- in this stuff happened which was. If Rolling Stone can do this story if Rolling Stone knows all these things. The patriots had to know they had to have known a lot of these things which -- fine. Also paints the picture of you were willing to accept this guy for all these things instill sign on to that contract. That's one of the biggest takes away takeaways from me just reinforced. That conversation that we had when your -- and stuff happen before that there should have been some level of knowledge in the Patriot Act they have to be some level of knowledge in the Meyer's staff to. The year didn't did urban Meyer's -- strike you at all of course it's because. Here's what I want to get to because as I told ya I wanna do not like this but I wanted to also finish that statement OK I wanted to hate this I wanted to think it was completely invalidated -- but even reading it hey it's incredibly well done. And be completely validates everything I kind of believe about the shadowy underworld sports at both the college and professional level. -- -- -- conspiracy theory lunatic when it comes to what I think is really going on that I believe that the program is exactly the way college football is operating with incredibly sketchy. Things I've really Geico commercial -- for a couple wants demagogue from the Geico commercials of the quarterback in the program. Looked it up what would mean the guy who does the malice commercials Alec I was supposed to be like the it's. Us. Sterling gas rod what's his name and Twilight Zone -- -- type guy you know the compressed cocaine. That's sort that the quarterback -- little or no Kane is able is -- doing those sure I didn't realize that yeah I think -- dumping everything that's why earlier thank god you're here if I. I. Believe that that's the way the world works I believe that every coaching college football is constantly being approached with problem after problem that they need to either barrier try to keep from the press and I believe that there's a lot of guys in professional sports and apparently -- Hernandez's one Obama. That -- really are involved in a lot of bad seedy stuff and the fact that the coaches or or or ownership. May have some knowledge or may try to shield themselves from whatever knowledge they probably could have -- -- That would surprise me in the least now what did pop up is the whole drug use thing. And and also are off who wrote this article has talked a little bit about it he said that was the thing that really surprised and jumped out to him more than anything else right. I don't think I realized just how much she is dependence on Angel to us. Had influenced and really kind of driven vat rate will be behavior to a first focus on the use of the word Angel dust when the last time you heard the word Angel. Out -- Hernandez -- a bit before that though like and walking near its own story the coast -- to describe. PC PD Angel Dustin and an assemblies this is what it was like your PCP like -- if this article was about how we've been on PCP. I was OK I don't PCP is I hear about it a lot Rodney King all the other people there on EC PI the pretty good arms with that does. Angel dust sounds like exotic and bizarre and something that no one's ever heard -- and I go to the camps I always a say stay up the PCP slash read it don't last always. Our turn to dust is always linked up -- forever linked with PCP. No I know that it's that the same thing I'm no Angel dust sounds exotic. Angel -- sounds like something people would only do and some like alternate universe. But a piece that is like as a basically they were doing in an alternate -- of news for apparently against her and -- I'm. I think that's a little a little sensationalist use the breeze -- those that PC -- but whatever I mean I guess that's Richard. That was one of the biggest takeaways from the story when people talked about the headlines when this story first came out. That was the first thing that I heard which was Aaron Hernandez in Rolling Stone. Article says is decided is doing Angel masterpiece CPU and that was the first take away the other is a bunch of others that was the first thing you heard. -- -- If it it is one pretend -- way. Of proving or or giving some reasoning for how all this stuff went horribly Rodman is a lot of good stuff -- here there is the issue you know talks about how he may have. On this -- Aaron Hernandez may have mistaken a group of guys a group of west Indian guys. That old Lloyd was hanging out with at a club for a group of keeper in guys. That he had shot apps -- two years ago or friends of the guys that he may be murdered in the double homicide that has been talked about and maybe that's why he was so upset. But there's also this possibility that his life was spinning so out of control. Partly maybe -- due to due in part the to the Angel dust last PCP and that he was taking that was making him paranoid or maybe he was just. Just so caught up in this life will be -- gangster that he wanted to get more more into -- I mean. It leaves open a lot of a lot of room for conjecture. In terms of what was truly happening when Aaron Hernandez what do you Communists -- mine where everyone. That's a question -- start by answering some -- so I would like to answer these are let's start this and you guys can jump in as well 617779. 7937. After reading the story do you believe the patriots are anymore fault that you -- a few weeks. Yes. -- if if not yes there and equally as much as one week we brought it up right navigate. Which wise they had to have known this stuff they had to know a bunch of this stuff at very least. And they were going down the road which they do a lot with a lot of players as. Every NFL team does. Which view you are willing to accept. Their transgressions the problem with these guys because they are good football players. You can't tell me that the Rolling Stone can do this article. And and list all these tanks and you're like wow this guy it was messed op. And then think that the rent the the patriots did not know what they were was going on this thought that that this story is the part of the story that really speaks to it is two thirds of the way. And it says that that this is this is as things start to really turn on Hernandez. He would -- he is that -- now even Hernandez seemed to have sensed that he was wildly off course according to a source close to him include the NFL combine in Indianapolis this past February. And confided to -- Jack that his life was in danger. Hernandez was trying to break away from the gangsters he befriended you worried that the they were actually trying to kill him says the source Hernandez began arming himself stashing a rifle in his gym bag installing fourteen camera security system. At his mansion. He was very paranoid -- What was that because of his addictions or because he was trying to leave the -- that's a quote -- out of sync with the quotas from as a bunch of those here it also helps explain why his wife -- -- -- his -- says they installed these security cameras a few months ago because of some -- break -- that they had experienced at the time which. At that time when I first read that seemed really strange to me like. You've had a bunch of break ins at your home in in North Attleboro every week but in this nice neighborhood there's been a bunch of break into your house c'mon. This let's let's focus on that in -- now let's focus on the I guess you would call evidence of what this guy had done in the past what he'd done in in the recent past. What this guy. Has had done supposed to leave the nights leading up to the murder. And does any of that sense that. This guy went out the ballots next thing you know I want a clean -- byways I'm RIA. I -- just I don't wanna get away from these guys you get that by IB at all from reading any of this other stuff. I don't get that five but that doesn't mean that he can come to Belichick and say hey look man that things are really going to -- in my life I don't know what's going on but I think there's people who were trying to kill me I don't know are sure I. I don't know what's going on I'm coming to you and saying that that things have definitely gotten weird I don't know how can you imagine Belichick responding to such a thing. Top. I don't know how to clean it up I mean that the what I imagine Belichick doing is turning Zain we'll clean it up exit. This isn't my problem go fix your -- -- -- -- it'll do what you need to do you know a little -- -- you know what that -- do -- do nothing while navy does maybe it doesn't but that seems to -- and that's the type of reaction that I would expect for him what -- from him what -- end -- doing is Hernandez goes out to California working on a shoulder -- were supposed to work with -- -- stands up. And then you have the the rest or at least via the phone call 911. From his beyoncé claiming that he goes broke is cut in punching through window because he was upset with -- domestic violence situation if you will. The article says no arrest was made -- -- got back to Belichick who exploded. Hindered notice anymore disruptions and he'd be traded or cut the end of the 2013 season which is everybody's pointed out is a pretty empty threat. Mortified. Hernandez returned to Boston -- a check for a closer and and his associate -- to hold them to lay low rent a safe house or one. And that's audience at least in the Condo Franklin Massachusetts. Calls flop house well a lot is going to be made about one sentence in this article. And I think it's you can read that sentence in a number of ways. -- checked her closer and and his associate I told them to lay low rent a safe house for one. Does that mean go rent a flop house. Does it mean to go rent someplace that you're going to be safe. Go find another house to go chill out Adam McKay pour -- on Martha's Vineyard where somewhere we can just go relax and get away from it all does it mean you know go find yourself and now alternate identity we can escape from drug dealers and don't ever know who he why are again. It's a very well researched story but -- points in the story like that one really where it's easy to read between the lines -- read between or -- take leaps of faith. And that's one that is very very hard to believe -- it doesn't change my view of the article. That line does not change my overall take away from this magazine story. Overall take away is still it is unbelievable. That this guy had done so much his background had included so much. And yet you still were willing to go down this road in terms assignments this deal. -- for the people out there who say the patriots didn't know about this stuff and going to Bob Kraft. Where he says I was duke we're gonna get to that in a minute okay W army say -- then it's like I know about it and in brief. How can you be duped how can you be duped. If you have this much stuff and one magazine article are important player that you already have red flags about. How can use the word duped. -- I don't believe that he knew everything. But the -- pretenders in this they had to. No doubt well they have to have known that he was sketchy. They have to have known and it was sketchy I don't know that they had it before he was given the large contract. They had to know it was sketch in fact. They knew it was sketchy before they draft that everybody knew he was sketchy to -- open -- what I haven't begun an iPod even -- the other part about it was here in my step where Gary and I get -- -- -- but. They have to know he was sketchy. They have to know he was sketchy Wally was in new wing to sketchy things are going on the question is how much sketch you're did he get. After he signed the contract that's a great question or hand that's an -- and I'm not sure that this article completely. But it does paint the picture of maybe he did get sketch -- after decade after it it it's certainly insinuate that major reactor at 6177797937. Again a couple of questions asked do you think this makes the patriots -- -- -- it's started to question Alaska as well do you believe Robert Kraft was duped. And then do you believe Belichick Urban Meyer actually did something wrong. I don't know that I believe they did something wrong. I believe that they acted at the way most college and professional football coaches would act. If given the exact same scenario and I'll tell you why next talk Oliver rob Bradford and WB.
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