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Butch and Larry - Tebow Makes the Team

Aug 25, 2013|

Butch Stearns and Larry Johnson discuss Tim Tebow and the lack of during last weeks Patriots game in Detriot. Bill Belichick has positive things to say about Tebow and looks like he will make the team. Butch and Larry discuss the potential of Tebow and if he will have an impact this regular season.

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    Our number two Chris aligning with sports Sunday Sports Radio WEEI 6177797937. Then not all Red Sox some pretty much all Jon Lester threw the first hour lie detectors weighing in on the AT&T tax line on that will get to that just a moment. Out final round of the masters is going on a maturity people. Into getting into what is much science tiger. And without Phil as well he Mickelson showed up I think late Thursday night she flew in and Friday after energy is flied out. With Phil Mickelson. I he had a tough weekend are tough early going Richardson first round in a local guy Keegan Bradley struggled missed But there are some big games of the top the leaderboard some exciting. I young names of the Jordan's BT's twenty years old he's cash to win the masters I he'd be the youngest winner since 1979. LEB younger. Then the tiger was the first time you want it. And one of the things that really stood out to me is speaking with some people were down there this week to cover the toward talks and these young guys and it get back to tiger. The complete and water. Lack of off. Around around Tiger Woods to these guys are too young you think about twenty years old 21 years old with somebody like camera some would like walker. In somebody like Blix the Swedish guys and second right now and he's. He's like 28. You know some of these guys too young to really remember or at least have played with tiger against tiger. When he was hitting level like we never seen before the PGA tour earlier received since Jack. And they look at him now a Zagat shoot 77 on the weekends. Is that cats really contention anymore where is I mean Aaron I'm not old and your and all of you remember when. Final round tigers in the lead it was done forget about it I mean one year in the PGA YE Yang those big shots out late and ended up beating and yet that epic battle with Bob May. I nearly beat him in the PGA but it would for the most part just wasn't close he would get a lead and he was one of the best closers in the we'd seen in the sport. But it's just it's different now that's a different vibe. Around Tiger Woods and it's gone from seemingly a foregone conclusion that he would get to nineteen majors is seemingly foregone conclusion that he won't eat next year. Does play majors this year. Is give forty years old Jack won three. After he needs five Jack won three after forty to two of those were when he was forty and the masters in 986. Was kind of an out Larry's 46 years old. Tiger would be a hall of fame career from here on out five major championship all career to get in nineteen. I think it's interesting not only his fall from grace just as a player. In terms of winning majors the was in my opinion at least the best player on were last year he had five or six wins a torch to win major. But the bigger thing to me is just how some of these younger players perceive him do tiger as a contention it used to be regarded. The average stroke. The average round rather up a stroke in. In in the in the final round on Sundays when tiger was in contention real just kind of melted aged just. Folded around with a few exceptions mentioned Bob revealed in Nickels and it's good battles but. For the most part it was just tiger's world everybody else's playing for second they were on him Ernie Els just not Now is young guys just young enough to cocky enough and don't really remember that at least they didn't play through it. And they're saying how statute 75 on the weekends with what's not ID in the turn now but. I should be upon Sunday Bubba Watson very very likable guy. And I Jordan who were finding out a lot about trying to become the youngest masters winner a long time quick birds update we'll get back to the calls against 617779. 7937. Cordially NC DM IA's doing great to get the good news on him that was definitely a concern that you know DM IAA was. Out I got hit looked like in the that it from I thought it was illegal but not dirty if that makes sense I don't think there was intent to injure there. It was just one of those times you're trying to make a hockey play get the principal point contact up higher and you won it. So I thought it was an illegal hit not a dirty hit but by a help not the that you concussion translated to on the ice Thursday that part we don't know just yet. But Patrice Bergeron it sound like is fine I he missed the third period yesterday that would would have been a huge concern. I outside to go. There's not too many guys you point to and say this more important to the bees and Bergeron two way player in hockey this year. Obvious he's good according to coach Julianne and Chris Kelly looks like still day to day with that back injury so some. Relatively speaking. Minor bumps and Bruce is going into the Stanley Cup Playoffs but you know these guys especially Alec Bergeron if he could be on the ice on Thursday against the red he's going to be there. I HTT tech slide is 37937. It's like grab a few of these real quick a one Dexter says eight times over David Price let Lester walked. While you make Casey price a better pitcher at this stage of his career early younger I can cost more money. And now your bidding against everybody else you've got the cost control guy. Housing cost control we get the guided the under your control rather. The of the exclusive negotiating window with wants to stay here to guide it. As more in depth track record in the post season to sign him. And that point it's not a knock on price and gives great pitcher. But if you're looking at what you can do it even easier than that that will save you some money relative to what price can get on the open market signed last. I know detector can you imagine having Stanton in Boston did it forty plus homers easy architecture from western mass. Two words about prospects Daniel yep they can go hard the other way. I another one here says agree with you order percent top of the rotation guys talk about Lester innings a year post seasons died. Given the cash over five years five for one and should get it done. And out finally is Lester stats are comparable to average career he walked away from 244 million Lester has been better than Homer Bailey and look at the contract. That he just signed a few textures telling me the gets four clocked at. Well evening parade for a UConn for the championships I assume the men and women together out both of them winning the national title. Yes as tougher as Turkey's but happy for Kevin Ollie who now is the next. Hot coaching named to go from college to the end beauty after eight seasons. But undefeated in the NCAA tournament ally guys can say that are at six or 77797937. is in New Jersey he's up next When then. Just try to not cute bit Ali thank you and I can't believe that a low ball. Jon Lester like they don't agree that you like a side impact by one and whatever argument sake. We have been out of my. But you see a lot of contracts for your team that have gone got into the contract stratosphere and some of them have really worked out so well. But for a number like dapper Lester what he's so willing to stay. I agree I was surprised. When I saw what the number was at the end of spring training where the Red Sox know Lester broke off toxin seems like a a low ball contract terms of dollars in a low ball contract thirty years. definitely. god I G I mean lucky probably let out a little bit like that way radio reluctant I had. Yeah I mean yeah I'm with you thanks to the fall being a former yankees fans perspective. They're never shy about spending dollars. That Lester contract is makes sense and I've said this a few times. Because just getting back to this point I do think my gut still tells me they get a Don. Gut feeling they still get this contract done because I hate candidate it player just wants too much just wants to be a Boston too much. You back going to be here at the expense of taking deal it's foolish and a four year seventy to eighty million dollar contract before which. At ball way below market terms years below market terms the average annual There's no upside here it sounded like a Red Sox blown away with a give you four years but here's point six million a year. Which is probably more than you gonna get I guarantee each and every year on the open market that it could at least. I still think Lester would walk away from crystal he'd say no. But I could look at that is saying the Red Sox in good faith effort to try to. Do with last year what they've done with other guys which is over pay an average annual dollars but try to take that discounted terms of the number years seventy. I can't say that. I can't see it as they came under years came under dollars 6177797937. Bill isn't busted up next they've built. They would subject. who visual. You know what about. You guys keep in the world. Could together okay. guys they look at the guys renewed deal if everybody involved. Make him have the option to. Who boarded deals rivals ordered to the guys will. Make it work. So real simple. So three years of his make sure Israelis and three years seventy million. And then assuming he stays healthy another two years at how much. Ordered me at all. That would come out to volley at 5110. About then you know what would actions. YouTube. 120. It was cute guys so. Yeah It it it any guaranteed dollars sport. That that's just not gonna work for the players work for last. Well hope what works right now what made two big guy a two year deal seven million. With a guarantee. Appeared to remain nimble. The two more years of targeted what are enviable. Well let's get. That that that the five year 120 million dollar contract. Where. OK I guess that that's reasonable but I mean you if you're guaranteeing the money that it's not three years in the two years to five years. And yet we could what three years didn't work out three years it will be created numerous believe that you develop very animated. You know. Yeah I mean I like well. I guess I can't get what you in there you know again trial period so to speak at three year seventy million dollar. You know test blown the CP states LP and see if he still producing. The news saying guaranteed fifty million after that which is five for once money. Why would John again you'd think about it okay hometown discount know we heard the operator gets excited about it. to get past the idea of a hometown discount meeting complete insanity. Seventy million dollars even over a three years average dollars a lot of money. But it still. 50% of what can get out in the open market. You know why would I take seventy million guaranteed even for three years when I could just double that six years guaranteed at 140 million. You know six I can get that extra seventy million dollars over three more seasons just to go out in the open market. That would be a great team friendly kind of idea but Lester were being eyed Joseph and Wakefield once the way HL. What they've done so much for the in the you know 78 years. That burning up I don't know are already up at. I agree with UN and the injury concern for me is that they're now we are talking about Clay Buchholz we'd be having added I merely different conversation. But with Lester even a year it was bad in 2012. Still pitch to plus innings. Yeah I mean you don't get a picture wondering about that party and you don't hate you guys brought there get a going to be offered. And I are I think I really like the attitude that you just want the behavior I don't understand why the Internet situation black. We're not talking about giving the guy a 140. I'm not all that with the amount of money more book like the object audit. Well he had I think the Red Sox kind of Hewitt in the regard as well that's why I wasn't completely floored when he said OK if we here opera was the most that they had. I'll put out there by the time they broke off negotiations. But I'd be and neighbor of 400. Yell now and a and a big. Average annual value a Ford seventy for is an opera that you know the players get a that's an opera that it's designed to be turned out. Yeah independent though they looked like but based on the yacht I don't know it. All the the PR stunt getting negative PR because I think I had tickets ridiculous they have any Lester did lie to me if he blocks away at the end of the day. And and the Red Sox look back and in the end flick back and say. And they could of they could negotiate they could out of spring training but the only opera percent beat the teams the only one's gonna look bad that's an. Aerial my opinion darker integrated you know integrated I'm sorry you know it made it. It's the same age and it did Dustin Pedroia has I can't think of his name off my head to similar Pedroia as we negotiated down discounts the This situation it is thought here we cannot I mean update completely done park are now completely. It sounds like till the end of the season got to do have an exclusive negotiating window. Went thanks for the college and they've exclusive negotiating window with Lester. After the season is over and that it's free agency. But you know in my mind even if the Red Sox were come back with a big number in the fall. But it even gets to. Reagents even gets to the point were other teams are our ticketing contracts are offers a Lester you're probably spending more than what you have spent. It just get the deal done now. You just avoid any possibility any any chance did you rate in the another team another suitor and unlike David Ortiz we can't you know we had a debate about Ortiz is going to be even a market that is. And I thought maybe lot of people but absolutely now. That's fine with Lester there's no debate right. I mean when I can debate the fact that it thirty year old going on 31 year old lefty it's starting pitcher with a great post season track records that market. We know that that's the case there's going to be money thrown at this. So you have the opportunity. To not only negotiate exclusively with him up or you even touch or even Free agency. It to get an offer on the table to sign this guy if they're not able losing the player beat. I signing into a deal that maybe goes outside their comfort zone because now they worry about free agency not to worry about other offers them. You could have made a better fate in my mind decide than these reported figures in at these numbers are right you know he's not taking. It's an it's designed to be refused to keep brought out their deceit it's a hit proper. I don't think organ necessarily buy that I think that this mark baseball banner that. That they and as long as you're in line with keeping Lester some cables don't want that at any high price and that's fine that's your opinion I disagree by. It any band that wants Jon Lester back is valued at his team. It and understand just what the market is looking for the seventy's at It's an insult. Text messages committed 37937. AT&T like. Texas is Red Sox have too many pitches in the system they had the upper hand. Now that it's does its thing is too many pitchers in this is have a lot of starting pitching depth they have a lot of potential. As allowed by hope and is better than Jon Lester obese Kerr shot why not. But you know what you have in Jon Lester. You don't know what you have yet Henry and that goes to my point of if you're gonna have some of these cost control pre arbitration arbitration guys up. Lester got the money to do. He could have a a lot of money coming off the books over the next read of where years. Yet a pitcher John Lackey threw for 500000 dollars on next season. In NA and it not a salary cap sport but it sport I care about a 189 million dollar luxury tax threshold for the at least they're from last. I that to take three years the market's already at five to six. years as Lester won't get 140 on the open market I disagree I think he will. I the Texas is give Lester one of these two deals. Or for a hundred or seven and 12611. if the offer candidate for for a hundred then I would say you know the Sox made an effort. They made shots try to sign him and take battled down discounted terms of the year when it for par seventy it. and a few text is going back to a couple calls as a wide world Lester take three year deal and a trial period. We can get five years guaranteed and I completely agree this is an interesting text here get this one before the break. I you know I'm not entirely sure why everyone has the phrase 110 for five I should get it done because he had no idea. What will get it done in theory. Yet that would be a hometown discount. 111 for five years an option six and eight I have no way of knowing. Whether that would get it done so he's looking at 5110. I just keep coming back that number because I look at. What the market would probably and keep going back to guys like Cole Hamels you know reasonable comparable to last year's regular season numbers I see six. In 144. EC 23 and change per year so take roughly that average annual value. 43 in his case it's going to take a year back it five years old hometown discount. But he's not leaving and and the billions of dollars That's why I come back to that number I'll get it done I have no idea what I'd be willing to go to say. 150 over 520 million a year probably. Start pushing diablo or we'll talk. You see what the number but a number I have in mind. And a lot of people have in mind they think 22 million a year twenty to 22 million a year years and college day. Five years a 10210 million dollars 6177797937. The point though I had no idea we don't know. What gets I can tell you this though. Ward seven he doesn't get it on told you that before knowing. That that was the for the Jon Lester turned out we get back to your calls coming up next we'll talk war. 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Transcript - will not be 100% accurate

So Larry and I'll be here till 4 o'clock I'll be here to 720 leading up to Red Sox baseball John Ryder Levy pregame. David Joseph with the call as Christian -- just told us in the sports slash. Red Sox with a chance to win this series against the Dodgers the first team. We'll have a chance to do that a long long time the Dodgers have been red red hot Nelson Jake Peavy to the mound tonight what's at stake for the Red Sox. They're tied technically. With Tampa Bay for first in the American League east. But Tampa is ahead by percentage loss on the Red Sox have played four more games they have won two more and they lost two more so. The rays -- 78 foreign 53. Played -- 127 games the red Texas 76 and 55. They played 131 games with a Red Sox have 31 games left eighteen on the road. -- eighteen at home thirteen on the road on tonight's big game yes. Game and a lot of respects because you've got to win Ceres. Down the stretch this one -- -- game when it's yours we'd Jake Peavy the guy you acquired on the mound against honest human beings like call that a big. I also correlate a big game with a one shot Carl -- model. Is wrong with these people I sound like -- 130 million dollar plus contract. Is talking about how miserable leeway is here are now treated I don't I don't get that with him if anything Arafat's hands were very patient with him. The signing that kind of contract -- was her half the time -- lack of production. Not even that hot now he gets out empowered. Million dollar athletes want to blame everybody else but themselves and not take on responsibility the Carl Crawford's problems and in Boston the time that he was here. Rob because of others had nothing to do with him really. -- -- in again he says -- just a bad experience. These pampered. Athletes. Just go about your business you you blast your happy where you were be productive with -- -- you know -- about the -- arts anymore Lester in the World Series. -- -- -- Go to the phones 61777979837. To join us Larry Johnson and Butch Stearns. Up until 4 o'clock or Providence we talk -- trying to. You know I go first time -- there welcome. There. A -- and just people talked to -- once the and other -- somebody else -- -- who -- ahead and shall file. -- Object what were different there -- and obviously. He's he doesn't -- them much. I think the practice. Obviously like Z here. -- I'm reasonably play please I think -- something. That might be different web -- say. Russia better quote our social role. So -- here. Guys racer 78 million counsell flies have -- in the bank you can -- Lambeau is -- recognized among the zone is money. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And take -- along he's worked in the playbook he's in -- in the office. And eventually he's going to be assistants to assistants. An instance that. He's got to be here and to the is that the idea that nick and I should question nick and I ask you question are you like our music are you serious about this. You don't -- so. When Heisman Trophy he's not a bum about these goes up in the boat -- as you just don't have the skills. You don't have this. So they -- the -- following they brought him here. To learn under Tom Brady to help educate him to be coach. Well await these these gets. Next week you'll -- -- gonna join the coaching staff. -- Can only if they listened. Why did nobody -- -- from upbeat numbers retired he's got the money in the bank he's also. Well. -- -- -- -- -- Becky you are. He worked his way to our children to. Open it. Days and hours and I nick -- -- driving right now. Well. What you did you -- Yeah I I I think angry to me I think they signed him. With the possibility enter -- and fear of sorrow lighted him to draft him as the number one pick. -- possibly he can be acquired to back. Porch -- a college for park play area -- you know seriously very good -- crowd broke -- -- you'll let me ask you you've been around. A few quarterbacks -- your day. Have you ever seen -- worse throwing quarterback in your life. Yeah Bobby Douglas when he used in the bears you can throw a little bit scrutiny now it is -- I think he was worse and now is he enough of them coordinated now -- By -- I don't know what the fix it amazed me about the theories are well why do people wanna go to such lengths. Nobody series I think it's actually -- compliment the Tebow text her on the eighteenth tee Tex lines as Tebow is here cosmic Daniels wanted to hear and bill likes him as a person that. Not be so far fetched. They'll get twice the risk and reward they didn't risk a lot yes setting up -- estonians if you're going to pick people to play and your team because you like them. Women -- team yet knowing all that well that's the mystery. If you want to bring that name up and that's the only reason -- this is still alive topic I know dale hates it but. The reason to me why is still alive topic is. What does Pallet Jack and me in charge know that we don't know. That's the that to me is the only. I don't think you'll be cut can you get my theory yeah I'm here okay. Despite what anybody thinks about Tim Tebow despite what the numbers do back up okay the statistically he's not an NFL quarterback. What he'd done in his time at quarterback in the NFL what is he done. -- Denver what does he got. EPE led him to some -- he has one football yet he has so I believe that Bill Belichick. Is a part of him that says. If a 2000 and it happened again. Let's bring this kind of camp what's he would he can do in our system because guess what while it's not conventional. While it's not statistically going to work OK compared of the conventional and a fellow quarterbacks kind of -- would -- it. Him my theory if that is your -- you listen to our award winning throw the time I do I did you play football and college and you leaves him at desert qualify me for some now. But I was like a street player a complete you know in the -- or -- game just to pick up games and Alex and normal hours agree re really -- down the Chevy take a right Bjork yeah exactly you -- -- -- If you would have to make that transition. To now all of a sudden from the street to the sidewalk follow orders now you got to play book and I -- Plays that your running in this and know Larry did you see a few good men -- we've followed orders for help people die -- now just -- to the sun we follow orders or people dot listen this is better than they -- offensive end up odd theory. I think he is more of an instinctive tight. -- here immigrants think of some of the things that he has done and been successful. You broken plays. The more important to Larry let -- I got to and series -- last time I checked they don't play the games in Foxborough on. One I know that they actually played in the stadium they are giving us a shot are Dracula is way too Craig and I don't know -- don't know why don't call not -- -- number -- why is right he's done. It's for the very reason that a play breaks down he rolls now. That's the type of what you see is -- let's go to Craig MacArthur in the latest Peter -- -- well it's good street playwright Eric -- like okay that we are black eagle eagle offensive coordinator Craig in a car or you Craig. Oh all right Greg thought it was Greg -- percent our national and Greg. Daniels you're absolutely right I didn't say that criticized a yogurt out of our own foreign -- not him. What's in my. What I think is rational so he could get caught here a few days tackle. Something happened that Brady -- there what's gonna happens I think he's gonna come back in hill. Now it's not good enough to be the starting quarterback on his own what I think -- they picked them up. They're pretty got hurt he could come in equipment now he's not gonna comment compliment Brady potential common interest yes. Yeah Brady get hurt in trying to beat the other guy with a -- no go back and -- There weren't here's the other question that you have and I don't -- You really put more gasoline on the fire but. And here at this fire the phone I got up in and -- -- -- about what goes out to get you know point out. I'm relying on your football experience -- -- our daughter and me you can't tell me during the break how great your your captain and everything. If here's the question if Brady Eagles down -- who would you rather have a quarterback. Wouldn't now come right no serious. Approach for -- of break it down and would you want for a quarterback has seen enough right now to say right now they say you'll -- I almost a -- I economic I can't hole I think he would be able to do apparently it's go to more Tebow calls let's go to Roger on the came right after. Yes and to sort of one police quick concern about the whole evil things. I have no idea why is there on the team. But I am concerned that in the future Josh Beck and you might possibly have something to do with armed personnel selection. Which are. Hey Roger give Brady went down tomorrow would you rather have -- bow our Josh McDaniels the quarterback. They got rid seat -- go around you. How about Bob Kraft. -- -- -- I think maybe so does John. Interesting point let's go to Mike in framing highlights on the semi might come I -- Our record -- wouldn't stint there. I can -- and actually read that opened the door that -- corporate law outside. Quebec and you -- -- well. They -- where they switched to the -- in the middle right good trip that don't really -- -- here who want extra. Number Tebow has to. I only time I ever seen him play that Pittsburgh game and that when he was effective was when the play probe I don't. You looked -- -- because it would go. Robert record player that came -- -- toward what reports are. Mike so. I would I would argue Larry's point I think Tebow is an instinctive football player just don't think he's an instinctive quarterback. You know what I mean I think he's got good football instincts I think I think he. How. It. The group because he's one football games as a starting quarterback. It. You want my -- Mike he's one football games in the NFL Jackson won a playoff game. You -- popular -- -- caught a lot of back. So whoever ordered I don't know where I want to run out of court. Last time I checked my last time I checked special sports was a black in my -- you don't want you lost art so what you can't -- here's my point like I did Tim Tebow is not a great football player I agree with you that he's not a good quarterback okay. But I do believe he is an instinctive football player not quarterback and you can't dispute the fact that he -- football games you qualified all you want. He's one. Thing I always say I say you shouldn't -- quarterback. -- -- -- Point. -- in them whatever argument you wanna make against Tebow enough to acknowledge the acted in a very short your time. He's done some things that critical what are dumbed down like win enough games to get team in the playoffs. Okay Greg. Yeah dominant -- a new easy -- -- -- -- -- -- OK -- is is Josh McDaniels of very good offensive coordinator from what we know. Yes. Okay yes you're the greatest of an -- answer the question is. Why did they see in this guy. Pop pop. Pop up. That's where you go let's go to who. David most who has some thoughts on this I gave I gave. Look what our guys at the corner they've -- them -- About people I don't think he's fast enough. Play for the pats and what I mean but that's not I don't mean by Alex scrambling to speed I mean like his tempo of the game. The -- how he played in that not. Thank you look at the transition that the went through from let's go over that pretty. Let's go at a -- throwing quarterback -- wouldn't -- -- yet slower game Brady -- and he's trying to prove a that the accelerate. You know that's a very that is a very interesting point in a ball that things said about Tebow I would agree with you a 1000% because let's go back to the old one season. When Bledsoe did go down and Bledsoe at the beginning of that season was in all of our arguments when you ask yourselves this question who's the one guy that they can afford to lose. Whether it was Bledsoe or not he he was in that debate for all of us. -- went down reason was. Taken back their gave the one thing if Brady did unlike. Bledsoe was make very quick -- we were having debates about while the coaches are telling him what to do they're all doing this. They watched him practiced that instinctively. There's that word again Larry that Brady was very instinctively made quick decisions made quick reads and that was a different -- itself. But Dave you're talking about an attribute that Rodgers has that Peyton Manning has even -- Eli has. You are talking about it after view that is only given. -- the best cornerbacks in the league they know where everybody is instinctively they can throw the slant. Instinctively they can throw the out. Instinctively -- and even have to think about it. We all agree Tebow doesn't have that I'm telling you Thursday night if he gets -- and I know we will. He will only be effective on busted play. What but the point is a good one there is a slower -- to team when I think there there's a bunch of bull because he's not why so he's not decides not confident I don't we -- he's throwing right and also the -- a runner he's not this -- that. Quick he's a guy who gets he needs a two or three steps to get going in as a quarterback you get those. When you drop back to pass by Dave I think that's a good point that the Brady Bledsoe comparison there was a level. Of decisiveness and quick as the Brady brought that was unlike what you're talking a -- to attribute that only the hall of fame cornerback. Not really all here as they witnessed it yeah. You go after the lying you make your signals bam. Am on the all the hall of fame quarterback to make a quick decision but it's the right. Job of course it has rivers must credit cards not the right one and a car six -- 77797937. We got a ton of text on this and I'll read him as we go to the break. I think you'll like all these Larry they're holding out they're going to use Tebow for trick plays and stuff number one when Tebow gets cut he will then become team chaplain number two. Myself and 101000 other people are changing the station with the Tebow talk number three number fourteen talk is better than talk about a baseball running mistake. Number five are you a contest for the dumbest Tebow signing theory. Numbers sixty I was so scared -- -- -- deception he throws low Tebow was a winner he won more playoff games than Peyton Manning in Denver. People want football games question mark and other ones as stupid me thinking football was a team sport disagree. Quarterbacks and pitchers get labeled wins and losses eight goes with the territory like a goalie in hockey. We're back with more after this. I think he's definitely picked -- the offense and and has you know been able to function efficiently and that and -- nineties you know obviously has some skills that are unique relative to other quarterbacks. And I think that -- roll his overall situation in the passing game has improved. Definitely don't of course training camp. Bill Belichick talking about his third string quarterback Tim Tebow the patriots play the giants this week in their final pre season game how much. Well Tim Tebow play techsters says an analyst Larry while you guys really trolling for Tebow lights. Actually I don't know -- known -- Orleans pianist -- two armies that of the short 1 -- to make this my idea he -- -- your idea was to start the patriots your concerns to elect a lot of you don't like about -- we also got into some rat's -- start. One of the things papers and on the stammer or listening to any card show -- any time monies Airways is. You really get to dictate what you wanna talk about like if you wanna call right now -- talk about -- Ellsbury. Losing track of how many outs. David Ortiz and took you get a chance to talk about when -- -- an -- really technical or really is that. As the ethically right and I don't -- -- I hit you governor Arnold do that all the time like he would like to complain about it did you talk. You can duck -- would if you want to totally dismissed. Tebow -- however. As long as the guy is still on the team to meet is I don't get it I -- -- wouldn't we want to many top grabbing at about. I talked about the wide outs earlier rice -- I'm concerned because they don't have. Inexperience receiver aside from a Amendola that you did Brady will be able to gold to. Instinctively you know they got so here's a couple of Tebow points that I am actually into -- are okay one -- his -- it's the final pre season game and I'm wondering how much if any that Tom Brady's gonna play. This week well after last night's event for the jets game hopefully none okay so me and maybe maybe Belichick sit there and it's quite it's moments in all right that's it. I'm taken Brady out so then my question is. How much does mallet play and how much to people I don't know why I don't know what should I say happy okay play -- -- -- And then how well these people when it first bought on the roster by playing quarterback has to meet on the coach. I keep people on the roster but he -- special capers to bring up two great points. Number one. In -- the Tebow do you put him in but the second start of third stringers guise of I would go to work according. I would go seat -- Malick Tebow -- attacking you got to see him with some Frontline talent. Number true. If you are going to use Tebow differently you're not going to see it needs exhibition games. Now Larry you. -- I mean when you don't know yet I don't care if they see it or not even averaging two point point favorite social you tell me in buffalo -- won't be surprised if he comes out at H back. And on the story line with that when you probably know president vice president and -- right playing -- I understand -- So you ask me go right back to the calls because they're lit up here you ask me have you ever seen a worse quarterback. And I told you -- Douglas and you remember Bobby -- -- -- and not a lefty but yeah so look the numbers have a great guy too was here's the thing about six all respect to Bob we -- yeah he was I'll give you size right now. He's a lefty quarterback folks I don't know if you remember me quarterback the bears. From 1969. To 1970. He started. 53 games he played in 91 that he's 6425. Compared -- west gray here's all you need to know Bob Bobby Douglas. He completed in 53 starts in 91 games 43%. Of his passes. For 6400 yards. He threw 636. Touchdowns. And 64. Interceptions. -- yards per attempt. Passing we're five point five he's yards per attempt rushing. In 410 career rushing attempt six -- thought. He was Tim Tebow back in the late sixties early said. That was Bobby interstate back to the -- -- cars and hang in on what I am Zander Bogart's exam. On one pocket outlook trying to shore up which he drew who like me. It's been great lately but -- -- look at his numbers against left handed pitching yes. The 600. And then you look at Bogart has minor league numbers -- you don't minor league numbers from -- to kick with a grain of salt. There is a pretty clear potential with him or -- -- -- cowboy picture play you're lucky. We don't work -- then and then per -- around 800 and -- trying to understand John -- thinking why not play -- to get a special heart boring black. You make a compelling case Sam I commend you for doing a mark and I don't have an answer why my guess. My guess would be. A combination of factors one. The veteran factory got like barrel seen it before. To veteran down the stretch he'd rather go with a veteran in the rookie than a strict platoon and there's a message to be sent the rescue team that although I would dispute that would your points to results. Are the results on the rookie Mike -- even more than the veteran guys. By that might also guess is that. Shortstop defense it's a little different position like catcher. But the defense gonna matter march and again the experience veteran guys opposed to the young guy might be better eventually. But in a pennant race she got that experience that -- -- -- -- am -- to get the other problem is -- -- was hitting slightly under 200 against lefties so it might be an opportunity to give them that I heard John Farrell on the pregame yesterday -- looks Dave O'Brien asked him directly about Bogart's. And what his spot was -- my you might get another start in his answer was too full. One Stephen Drew was playing great since the all star break so might be hard to do -- will spot a hero there. That was his cancer that -- bottom here this -- not look like he's planning on doing any time in the future but Sammy make it compelling case about that. Thank you and I did it get yelled defensively you can also replace him in the later and it -- -- picture and. Absolutely and I would make a vote I would made a great play yesterday I would make the case that Sam good call great point. Larry that would make the case that if we believe -- you when I do believe this but their line up is one of their weaknesses right now and since the all star break right. Then you do everything impossible the possibility to try and stop these three hits and shot outs. That you're getting when John Lackey goes out gives you a complete game. And you only get three hits you look for a chance to get Bogart in the game. And you try to find ways to do know that's a great point because they were going to be times when you look to the brand for a stick. You're gonna need a pinch hitter come in such a lot of the top -- you know we're gonna bench for a yet and stick yet user. -- 900 number. Cut it that's another subject let's go to Jeff and -- may be on page you have. Hey good I don't good how are you good good I think the people saying it is I think is a little bit -- -- what you guys together and credence to Larry I think that the touch upon it by saying that you're not gonna see -- doctor pre season no way Belichick could reveal any of this. But without the tight end and welcome that they had last year to catch red zone TD pass the they going to be challenged to the war. What -- inside the ten yard line with a compressed and so on and without the big bodies -- tight and it was so welcomed quickness. I think you'll definitely keep Brady from off the field for the sixth time -- there. Come in and take you get an extra blocker. With people as the runner. Now instead it down eleven and nine on the blocking. Potential tackler. Now at 1110 to get an extra blocker on the field decrease your runner. His. But -- hang on -- -- to just trying to trying to rationalize this no I I agree with Jeff I know we gonna hang on let me ask. Last question -- -- and it can just can I ask you questions while Theo and I ask you question okay. Please somehow I do agree with your point. That the red zone without -- -- with all the change without Welker the veteran guy without Nimitz. That the red zone now we don't know who -- on targets on the patriots and until that happens. We're gonna see who the red zone I use it might be Aaron Dobson cause he's so big what do we don't know that yet. I agree that Tebow there's a possibility he could help there. Please explain the logic to me with red zone opportunities. Mean being so much that you're gonna take Tom Brady off the field for any red zone opportunity to replace him with Tim Tebow please explain that. -- for -- -- Tim -- -- a better chance to score the reds on the Tom Brady aren't you telling the entire world that you are running for prop. Nobody you even listen to Brady and Belichick that they got to be able to run and everybody knows you gonna run. That's not Tom Brady off the field. Today who wrote to if you want to -- around the ball you could put him as an -- beckoned him to talk to him if you want. No because you know -- extra blocker. So again I I don't I don't agree with Elijah can take its -- up -- -- -- -- -- -- field in Newport. Tebow on the senate. Yeah because when -- -- doctor running back you get quarterback and running back they can't block you only -- nine potential blocker. Okay so to me your your point. That Tebow gives them a chance to score in the red zone where they need more help in the red -- as far as we know we don't know yet lot of unknowns. Running the football. Your -- assuming that you're seeing Brady comes off the field and and you're saying you're telling the defense you run at that's a lose lose me. When I know. -- told. Me your -- the best quarterback isn't a football off the field and your defense you're running. Don't have anybody to throw us. And the butcher our football -- final play he should realize that. What we about a quarter on an audio out and shot foul out Lanny you guys to throw to they just haven't damaged -- manually added to their rookie. Stand their rookies but you know Bill Parcells to -- about rookies remember. They don't know what they don't know yet. They don't know what they don't know yet another words ignorance is bliss. Go to the red zone go to Larry Buick -- over by the ship the and I'll throw it to yet but right now they every get -- Mans name down and it now and I'm not doctor. Photo by John and Beverly whose next college and -- Bill out -- no guide and I could go on. People predictable. Iron. Many many years ago or. The Green Bay Packers. From Notre Dame all morning. On any right there goes our Jim Taylor in the back real grind it. Flying -- Dotted one -- losing game they would hold out for you at all. What is supported your point about the Paul morning commute everywhere and number five on what your point about the morning Tebow comparison because it. Begins and ends in a million places for me. Well. I don't get that obliged. He bull run. And good up between Hawaii running and his running is good. When Tebow ran it down. They were in -- pat block team mold. Now I'd love to see him run and another run blocking all. -- you different between run. I think. Run blocking and Kabul. But what does this have to do what Paul -- John. -- Morning morning again I don't call any level and I don't see any level Paul horning is a hall of Famer. A hall of -- that only played like eight years in the NFL he's he's name is on the Lombardi trophy several times he. Threw touchdowns he ran touchdowns mostly as a halfback coming. Tebow is there's no comparison style is the only thing. I can see their big guys who could run the football I don't know I don't morning with I'd be doing a disservice to warning by comparing -- vote and to be honest. And I'm not really come Perrin the back on that. Compare that that your -- can call on Ronnie came out on the road today as the crow you want to. By the yet that they went appointing as he could throw the ball what are those and those minimum. Deteriorated. By the -- and unless I'm not wrapped up we have gotten -- -- -- I think all these hallmark talented and I think an NFL you have to be counted them and to make plays on a consistent basis it's more of that consistency in -- and the ability. Anybody -- one good play. But if you make a bad play after that he can't -- -- August that was so. You gotta do it day in and day out week in week out that's how you get to do it Tina Fey gets you really good player you contribute. But the dependability more dependable -- and better to be. Tom Brady. Talk about his team talking about this season. Happening right around the corner of our border is Larry Johnson alongside its Austin Johnson till 4 o'clock -- W where -- him even saying it. As he's got too much class for that. But he pretty much defined. Which -- Tebow. Inconsistent. You can't -- throw -- -- one great play bust a few tackles and give you 25 BI to the place is going crazy. And then the next down total morally. Consistency. Is the greatest. One of the greatest qualities that yeah appoint guys or or any pitcher or or Horry our quarterback -- or goalie has to have you got to be consistent. -- question. When the season's over. Who will be the guy who gets the most targets from Tom Brady in the red zone this year from the patriots win this season is over. I don't know what should be like everybody I I. -- has to be right I call hold on. Who will be second and how close will they be will there be a huge drop. Who will get the most arguments. Other words who will they go to try and score touchdowns. In the red zone from Brady will it be Danny Amendola will be Steven Ridley. What exact sub field would be Aaron Dobson cause he's so big will it be somebody else Jake Ballard were not even talked about. Who would be in the red zone and I should think about this Larry the media a couple of numbers. Red zone targets last year Rob Gronkowski led the patriots at seventeen. Wes Welker would sixteen. After that you know is -- -- analyst. Any would it but he. OK who's taking where it would -- places oriented. Here's the red zone targets. For Tom Brady last year Brady was 49 of 81 in the red zone for sixty point 5%. 370 RT through four point four touchdowns and one. And the reds and I believe is that in Seattle game number -- -- in the Seattle game at a 106 point. Rating by doing here 180 when fantasy points the red zone from the fans that means. Up but my question I think for TNT you I think rock for us marine second. Real yeah you think Korean becomes a huge red -- -- Do you remember that catch he made -- -- haven't got great hands on him well it's an interest if your Grammy Award yet it was the third guy down -- well here's the -- seventeen for -- sixteen for Welker. Eight for ward had six for Julian Edelman. While he was -- that's little surprise and Daniel fells. Michael Bowman I don't wanna know we come on get it right who Mon now one new. One. Who's gonna actor -- and Steven Ridley only had one red zone target it's going to be interesting because of all the questions. But the pitcher for the young if you ask me who Brady's go to guy right now. -- stadium and all but Amanda was out that last game. Tompkins is his go to. Like 678. Hours before anybody he's just gonna stand around. So if they keep a Garret blunt but I'm town he's apart another name he is -- -- -- -- -- in the I don't know patriotism that at comedy as -- run blocker but he's a horrible I think the patriots in the red zone is a story that we will be talking about every single game good or bad. And I'm not sure I think it may decide games especially the offense takes a step back -- Deloitte in Ludlow hello Lloyd -- yeah -- -- highlight. Out in and day outside beautiful enjoy it out her coat well look he had on radio on yet he ball. He brought people a degree in Denver on prop fall. You know great point you know he's won more than -- so far. -- off. Tebow went to the jets. I think Rex Ryan -- sure it is ego. And not not the Connecticut had an ego. Geithner there -- no I don't yet know what though I -- we can separate easy going confidence how's that. OK okay he lacked confidence under Rex Ryan you know I mean. Body emigrate you know party right I'm an -- in myself to be ours are but -- But -- -- -- -- I think -- reports terrific right now every day you know what's gonna happen what can happen I don't project panic -- You know -- bought. These hidden back here which I while I was eagle actually picked up -- I was praying for well. And -- goods and adjusting point because to Michael Vick. That would be good baca learned. I like that with it folds like the backup the Eagles have visual wit Gerri what's your point about Tebow and all -- OK on -- three. Under Brady tutelage I've noticed in all of this sort of reached progression. Not count on again in the Dark -- -- He he's great in the pocket -- he's he's not -- Jack rabbit and I'd like to know what I mean -- that's totally not running. -- yeah I mean. -- -- -- -- -- -- You know what I suggested earlier in I don't know I'm on an expert Nora -- one on the radio with quarterback coaching as -- alike. If I would Tebow I would hi it's Ron Amadon or all Boomer Esiason to worker -- during the offseason. I don't know when Kevin Mikhail with the big yeah absolutely but like I don't know if a right handed quarterback. Can really help a lefty with his -- I don't know that -- -- point. So I we've got the perfect our committee to work let's go to Justin on the -- -- just and. Failure there aren't good I'm -- let -- -- I'm. A couple of minutes ago -- -- be good and it good to have people and and the ball often aren't known to be a blocker. Now he said that -- good deport Tebow went in the red zone big radio therefore you'd add an extra blocker. -- Yeah it's an employer really making -- -- thing about it I. Think about it and it does make no -- so I'm I'm sure of Boortz the master of stats could mark an up -- we needed it it. Brady has been very effective -- quarterback sneaks very effective when it is red zones and he's one of the best in football. -- that there's no point there's no point there's never going to be a point where it didn't take Brady off the field but you know and. We tend to agree that I would -- be hesitant to say never I'm trying to think about a -- -- that -- we -- Manning isn't happy I'm trying to think when that is happened there's this sort of ground swell building up today. That when the regular season starts we're gonna see that they've been working on stuff from practice they don't want -- showed in the pre season and that will now we'll see after. Little. This -- out of this but -- There is no way you as a rule just did just that my first. Question. That I -- -- curious about that we won't find out during the exhibition season -- he kept the ball. And in practice Larry it's under a bit yeah why -- used to be they had been to be one of the top sports people in this Heisman Trophy winner can do anything he can catch the ball. Six or 777979837. -- says Tim Tebow. Larry assistant. Tim Tebow get the second most red zone targets from Tom -- obviously this -- thinks -- can catch. He's not gonna get the -- -- aren't buying ground I -- to they -- catch the ball about how do we know. It is is that unfair like -- I I don't know looking to listen I keep like I know people are sick of the topic and that's fine. It might not trying to create like you know was a certain -- dictator misunderstood and our product excellence that calls. I'm fascinated. Why is he still here or M why is it that we -- missing well because it's not the -- I'm fascinated to feel the odd jets fans feel today because all that went on last night when they want you back. We got jets stand on the line we go to can't Massachusetts covered this guy -- it's -- like Tim and mark IE. LO might. Like Larry. What mattered quite rapidly why. Jazzy I don't know they went to the bullpen and they went to go to left the unit stay out I hope we shop for your sake I hope we shopping for a big Mac for CC. Well you know -- they -- you know something that goes to what you wouldn't quite a day we're talking about with Whitney gave up two runs in the right. See you only have three run just a black. If you do reruns when -- out -- nothing net. The whoever gave up the third round in this game was gonna win. Was gonna lose any meaning that. And yet. -- they would be there they're much more balanced team and used to be kept hitting now. Yet they do and and the kid will Myers is making them look like a genius. And read very well. We'll get back hated because they're so young pick. I -- traded James Shields right. -- I meant to ask you I read apiece by Tom you're duty in SI the other day and now he said the habits have been -- He's right about the position players Larry get the yanks don't have a young pitchers Larry. They do when they've already promoted some -- remembered Michael Pineda who they got from Seattle -- pretty Montero. Will be in the rotation next yourself. Anyway let me just -- on -- but yet that a -- vulnerable to put his point about then sure the Red Sox Dodgers trade sure -- dependable all people that Red Sox fan. Who said that. Acquisitions for the Dodgers were virtually negligible in terms and reassert. I thought he went a little -- he did -- study was going. -- wow what a surprise wow what is the prize. Yeah they're called Adrian Gonzales. One of the premier left hand and delete your. Yes yes. I wanna. That was better. Who's better Miguel Cabrera. Hitter Albert let's -- -- Odd adult human and he's managed to -- eighteen home run these 29. -- -- -- Player who puts up numbers like Dominique Wilkins used to. Okay now what Mike let me let me play your side of the -- -- And here's where I think you're going and I'll agree with you on this point. Despite whatever age 300 dollars numbers are -- their impressive and I would even argue let's not argue there's an even argued that his numbers say he's better than nice but let's give -- that point for just for the sake of this. This despite that you are right about this. Adrian Gonzales has a hell of a lot to prove. Chris he's been one real significant and it race -- faltered for San Diego and the when he was -- with the Red Sox he was. Instrumental as anybody else of being part of the worst collapse in September and a long long time so his numbers are paper Dominique Wilkins is a good. Comparison all that said. That's almost two years ago today's late August heat up with a big blow against the -- two outs became an online. And he picked a called third strike it for two days it would whining about the. I do here is the problem but your argument might you're talking is like giving Jennifer Lopez an extra pair of shoes okay. Is he one of the most elite players in the -- today. Now well let me go about when you add him to. -- Hanley Ramirez grieve and all of the other additions that they have these -- nice fit Ferrari team that's not -- -- money -- and here's where we didn't -- And arguments nice is not twenty million dollars you -- what if you got the money is. In -- support but the Dodgers in chemistry baseball I get -- you guys something different and a baseball team in recent memory. That as more malcontents and hit cases the doctors get it. Excuse me on my -- -- have been accurately have got to record this board because he's trying to smuggle some trash into the U. Target about our our our our team by law these cases what about rod. Why do you keep it that -- and that. I hear that I I got the Yankees dot I heard the Yankee dugout I heard that. Well now wait a minute I heard they -- -- you don't like I got the Yankee dugout gave absolutely standing ovation. Well yeah the last day you dialogue. OK keep on your back. What is the cat. You. Because. That nerve to talk about malcontents. And you got one on your own gain. And what what is -- eight. -- they haven't paid off his contract like let me let me emphasized before we are so let it go but let -- let me give you have a -- line that I have about Adrian Gonzales. Whatever aging Gonzales is and I do believe he's one of the premier middle line computers and what he's got -- and I do believe -- here's a different question is he worth twenty million a year. Would you -- well here's why here's the ultimate question about do you win. And win at the highest level with guys like majoring -- Don't win with crap you can -- would that look. And why though the rays won with Crawford and here's a -- you guys are leaving out the getting raiders signed some ridiculous billion dollar cable contract money is not an issue with them. Of course money's not an eight -- At least that you shouldn't be blowing it on people what they're not -- that. I know but that doesn't work for my argument like -- might have brought against the clock so I make a final point rub against the clock. -- -- on I'm on the jets let everything you're saying it's right kept. Yes it is still Ryan guys put in doubt about that right now. -- -- guy in the okay I -- you infuriated that they played Sanchez in the fourth wanna. I'm not that it it doesn't it's academic because they. -- none of his upcoming title Larry I have a brother on the West Coast rejecting them. Are you guys are right for you was possible. -- -- Anybody but there and hit -- -- what cornerback. APS that. Yes that's the new acronym I jets fans this year jacket land -- implement Nelson and a car. And for all you zealots all you fans yes when we come back. We will talk to Stephen Fall River yeah import job on me because ports thinks Tebow should be an opera the coordinates.

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