Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan Discusses the Use of Toradol in the Red Sox Clubhouse

Welcome back my -- it's our number three on day number three Dennis and Callahan broadcasting live from Red Sox spring training in Fort Myers, Florida much the theme this week Jerry as you know it's been now. Chemistry. In the clubhouse yeah that's what they're trying to improve upon his chemistry in the clubhouse ironically our. -- Yahoo! Sports register that kind of -- chemistry in the clubhouse but -- -- right about changing the personality. Talking about does some methods -- taken place in the past according Jeff Loria. We're doing very very well now is a big big deal in your mind and and the -- I asked that question is I believe the first line of the second paragraph are the second line of the second paragraph is -- all -- a legal substance and is not banned by Major League based. Well. You know absolutely true and bat or mentioning cop stopped by to meet this story it was a big deal or cutlery. -- number one laws. Mike -- -- former trainer. I was not -- the injecting players with that. Now granted he was not only are you that other greater for a baseball. -- Bill. I don't wanna talk about the old one guys jump off bridge that make it okay. Technically I think that what this story does it gives it greater and it out for a -- was in the Red Sox clubhouse that grew -- baseball and even though. It is illegal substance. I out when used excessively -- we with quite Buchholz perhaps let the CA op with humorous that. All sports. It can't be injured and so. The regulation. The -- thing I think that very thing that. It was out that it's such. Such a microcosm of the Red Sox that there -- in fighting on the medical apt and that you know people worse I think any child and adult at least it yet now and it just seems like. Others -- very well well with the all Red Sox and back at my old despite John Henry Larry -- -- sharing and knowing that. Breaking laws did bring him back yours still considering -- -- opening up. Do you think Jeff do you think he did it. In any way other than under orders from the team physician. From what I go out there's they'd be. But from what one side. Is particularly based on that Asian. Add some people say that. Absolutely not some people say. So -- Cardinals. Made reference. Documentation. That would days ago. He would not provide that. I I thought I thought it. Traders from baseball football and hockey -- outfield position -- question and all of them all -- -- ever had your injection. They never saw him other -- and so you know it it's like mentally it's not my rival is as follows because. Turned into -- -- he did it today and they really were able to differentiate from who is telling the truth to what it. Happy. -- A position does have a lot to me. Like giving orders that he knows there's are not -- granted. -- an awful lot game by doing anything illegal but this time it'll be like why here it. Considering that he practices at Mass. General and but he spent the doctor -- the Patriot the performances well. It's difficult to see why is it his career in. That she's supposed. Careless. -- Jeff why does Curt Schilling have a dog in this fight and by that other in the fact the groceries he's admitted to using toward all and our vacations what's. What's in it for attempted to talk about this. -- just like talking about everything the like I I think it like it is is the himself as a true. Troops here and the truth speaker and in this I think he actually I mean look I. -- it. About this sort all use. Months ago man. I called Curt Schilling this week and we talked about it. Let anger that Curt Schilling was somebody who had used toward -- If you talked to people and peaceful circled. A lot of the court all use these eight straight back out there back. Curt -- great job. And herculean performance they were gone and as you about what playoffs whatever. And BP to the World Series it just absolutely dominant in. That the year I believe right around that back Curt Schilling started using it was probably of the board -- but he parties are your mentor at all. Look he Randy Johnson pitched well in their thirties and pitched well well -- -- He didn't get along with my. You'll admit that question about that but you know -- he needed to be out either though I don't think this is one of those. Situations where. He's necessarily going out there adjusted to America. Yet to those questions and inventors that -- with what other sources that ball. Is that fair to say the people in baseball whether they be organizationally and independently within -- particular organization or in Major League Baseball. Don't look down their nose on players who used or at all it's not some sort of verbal thing. You don't -- organization and now what are the apple I currently rightfully that the Phillies. There there let that are numbered these guys that the story. That have sent out. All the other teams in the league today we will not keep your players or off because. There is a liability is what you -- at night for us in from the National Football League by players who were injected with sore at all. That's an issue and it spirit litigation going on that right now it's something that's here is ally and now you know why. MLB sent out -- old man on March 8 2012. Page Raiders are not allowed to reject sort out that was. -- that Mo was that out. But MLB strike covered that reinforced that hey you'd better not leave yourself open to litigation. Jeff did you to this stemmed from are you looking into the the assertion that Curt Schilling was offered a human growth hormone in his final year here and did you confirm it was Reinhold and is that going anywhere. Yes it was. Well it was Al. Let this part is art strains credulity a little bit because he admits -- not telling the truth what he says is that. Back in the middle of the 2008. -- When he was rehabbing older you wet apple. And he knew his arm. And that might rival that dwell on it that you might as well try. Now Schilling went immediately reported there's Padilla left the Terry break. I I don't know it was a bright spots and something like that what he added that he knows that Josh Beckett. Jon Lester other guys were big fans like which they work -- that. Think Anthony's in that clubhouse there's some players who by the end this time there. Refused treatment from him -- -- -- quarter of the C a quarter to a third of the by the end of the 2011 season was refusing treatment from as. Mark that down in your story give them before you back to Schilling. Why was that why did these veterans that liked him when he first got promoted turn on him and refused treatment. -- meaning altering -- meaning like to open an ankle they refused to. 88 B refuse to work when you're used to let him do that had. I think that -- for them. You know I think there -- people in the clubhouse is thought that he ought to much you thought he was in no at all thought that. You know it is bad side and it should not and let that well -- It does that make him a bad trainers out of there any people who. -- -- all the training community really due respect. It it guy credential wise. Has pretty -- good credentials doctors physical therapy. -- the American -- -- it -- it it would. James Andrews in Birmingham and so you know this isn't some guy in their pick up off the street -- back all the somebody with a great knowledge base which is. What you mean maybe it's so much more interest in -- he would -- A successful career something like this. You know in the end it really work your career over an impact brings. The most maybe mean -- -- -- this which. The position back -- Because of the way MLB's. Medical structure works a lot of these -- Real -- 05530. May be sick. Invited and they get the ball art. Did you need to work out on it needed it all ready to -- and so these trainers are let it absolute conundrum. They play these players who make millions of dollars are used. To keep on the field and he's happy heard me say it is that it ethically and legally wrong. And raised the ire of -- going -- management saying why all the trainers do and damned job. We're talking -- Jeff Allison from Yahoo! Sports and -- seems to -- we've put together a list of dis respected or disliked. Occupations IRS agents or their attorneys are famously on the list. Based on recent and not -- recent history don't traders athletic trainers find themselves in in in that realm with. He'll MacNamara Greg Anderson and would you consider Mike -- -- -- the BA and rogue trader. You know I wouldn't go all in -- broke traitor because. There were so many other trainers in baseball -- -- -- that. Going into back. Room. To reject players with anything. Is not it does look. And it's something that leaves you open to speculation. And -- very very investigation. In Iraq at all. The investigators after these subjects. Were there any performance enhancing drugs ever all -- if you do that now. The theory that were simple any time you talk about investigation -- it all. A struggle the thought -- at eight. There -- left inflammatory. They're going at that question but that Schilling thing was there and so you know they're there was. Curiosity. On investigators the chances they got. But he -- -- spoke workout and so. I believe in that respect I finals is cleared but. Still. You're talking about Eagles baseball players and back room and back combination right there is back. Right Jeff backed -- Schilling what was the lie he told. -- All the investigators. That yet heard things out of caught and taken things that are back -- Michael player's issue it. Am -- For Major League Baseball or opera. And so. When he was saying that guy -- -- all the -- it's true authority that you remembered it because I felt like it would be a distraction. He's come up championship. Beckett Lester -- other guys like -- Albany didn't want to cause consternation. In the middle of the season. You know does that hold water. I guess I'd guess that makes sense what you think about it but what a guy's not sound true one time what makes you believe in the second. And and yeah I think people Curt Schilling was telling the truth that what you believe him now scored. -- all accusations. As the story people were the exact same thing that you others very credible source as well as well as well as he. And that the investigation so I was I was comfortable don't have. I last question Jeff any chance that MLB band's tour at all or bands injected -- all. In the near future. Out. MLB is all the is fairly clear and I don't get the impression that the -- changing and and because what these these issues are generally the same if it. Players weren't -- portal built for example. From a trainer that would be dispensing medication and that something that traders are allowed in leader in itself. Becomes -- all they legal drug was stronger but. Big fight now as far as that just to stay numbing pain numbing pain and that's all they're trying to do. You wonder how much pain as baseball player really can be compared to a football player hockey player players who are getting their bodies bash around but. The army as a fragile little thing and the -- in -- opinion be -- -- you're gonna continue to rely. -- -- -- -- -- -- I just got a question for me off topic to be sure the story aside is there much national interest. In this a quiet little Red Sox team is just trying to go along to get along and change the culture in the clubhouse. In the past right there I don't think people really think the Red Sox and be very good this year. And as you know after. The last place finish from last year. That is I mean that that -- It was such -- It. Entirety of the -- -- you the text message did everything in between eight and because of that. Sue Bird. Only season last year I think the sort off the radar in. You know creep -- under this year -- that -- -- -- -- -- -- -- There's certain that in between here whether waiting for the Bogart. Right Jackie Bradley and the -- -- of the world ought to fortify what there. Jeff passing Yahoo! sports' good stuff post docket no baseball would you respond to appreciate the time again this tournament from a -- -- on the road. -- it. Passable Dennis and Callahan let's talk to while stocks to regularly in the car here go to what's on your mind. Okay morning and morning I. Bet that that I did not read the article and I. And at Corning and not a bad I want it to lay it on -- or I'll -- it. -- all is. As you know -- non title and inflammatory you know it's an in line. Or eat out an -- and a -- well and elegant so. The big issue which court -- -- the at bat. And cut your meat. And a lot of people don't like that. I'm at bat and then -- there was a they get -- fired a company. Called black box warning. In there and tactic and are saying you know you can only you'd get after it had been. You know -- I see in the hot at all. And that'd require on the trying to -- and directly. And then a year -- a Lackey 38. And executed the bleeding so I -- Kerry Berry gained her a bit he's he's -- -- -- and I think there and checking it kinda. -- that I I heard -- number one professional athlete claims as a result of torrid all he had a hearted romp apparently laughter. When asked about the heart attack situation -- that as well that was them. I'm Stan the got the Patriots signed yet at USC and he's going USC because for -- I assume the Patriots. Administered. Except that believe that like most other teams. But their new guy to go from the CF for the hell -- so when his college because he had a part of a heart attack or heart part of that part of actual heart attack right and play buckled said bleeding in the esophagus in. Some people believe you know that there's a connection between toward values and that can lead.