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D&C: The Gronkowski debate continues

Nov 20, 2012|

John and Gerry continue to discuss the Gronkowski injury and the decision to send him out on the extra point team. Pete Sheppard is in the flash booth and standing by the Patriots decision to keep Gronkowski on the field.

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You don't order way is like with the soccer mom comment. He's like Vietnam. The old time comedian comes out -- drivers in New York born airline food is really crappy. Law Christmas rush at the ball is tough to deal with right try to come up with some new material all I know it's hard -- -- take some gray matter. Soccer -- died five years ago. I would compared to what Elizabeth Warren you know railing against the billionaires like billionaires in the minutes total straw man argument if -- -- totally from the context of being soccer -- it's a totally contrived argument. Meant to. It's some emotion out of them the fan boys says. And it does it works it works line him up at Buick -- the calls of people said it's not if we should score score. Either you're not listening. American and -- one of the other you met him and I ten think it's maybe you make enough work she get the get people riled up and they say OK they run an annual explained. I have time and time and time again if you'd like to do it again that -- Have to. It's critical getting it's getting redundant as is as or wasting soccer moms. I don't care if they run up the score in the National Football League score a thousand in fact I swear to god. I was rooting for the score six because 59 was the record. So it has nothing to do let me say it again a look in the camera it has nothing to do with running or it has putting your stars at risk. As the central. Core element of the argument now last week -- it was two weeks ago I explained that in my estimation there were two kinds of people republic that was. -- two kinds of people or to the people I know there were they were goes like a diamond Mitt Romney supporters in the reading some of all that stuff via. Not call. And there -- -- guys I have to leave early get it out and yeah pizza negativity. -- -- -- -- -- -- No I told you when your call list there are two kinds of people in this world people who in the shower and people who say they don't in the shower. Got it yes and add a second group to kind of people in the world there are people in this world who are in such law a Bill Belichick. So reverential. A Bill Belichick maybe in some cases so afraid of -- belt which area they would never consider questioning him. Much less criticizing him. Then there's the other kind of people are afraid that art reverential and -- in law and are on their knees at -- sniffing his jock and time to time. Questions somebody did and the people were -- it -- group. Guests at the as the first group is much bigger. And and angrier. And it's much easier to fall line it's this and and and -- and I -- about the stuff the areas that it now. There's this whole group of people live there you know on the -- or bloggers. Just the callers. And that first out of trouble when they do circle the way you know bill. -- -- Bill Belichick could get arrested today for you know rest up violates. A like goggle at Tri-State killing spree -- -- Woodson played out it did you know there's no evidence here at the cops probably brought him in first instinct. Would be. In he's right you're wrong he's bill. If nothing else mad about football and partly via its ugly again and and -- it doesn't match the argument doesn't matter. In fact. The argument it's not the one dramatic and argued. And should again like. Running its or while getting your players her right like getting Rob Gronkowski hurt and and and and this is it a better example in moving the goalposts and we don't have enough backups. As Ron -- points out today. You've got one -- -- one because he's gonna play Thursday or somebody and that's -- Thursday night when I was two extra points and field goals as the bad guy could have Britain's Sunday. You could say it's not risky play in gronkowski is a -- on her mind and he's been doing it for three years and had no problem that's fine. Which can't say that someone else. Could not have been and that's that in that particular time the game -- -- all the time now. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You know what every particular anger out on -- but I'm going to be a problem England's corner lot and -- -- to tell you. Fine -- not claims costs -- glanced up until this corner it would appear that I don't know that it's built in order I think it's hosting its -- and it's. Belichick's kids you know like -- TVs that. Whitney bills team we -- name of the program it -- name -- -- team which you know being captain I don't let a bills and amending its start in the NF paid -- you're not listing -- I don't know if not I'm just gonna make this point before we move on. You know listening it is we not talking. As Ron Borges points out today in a column that is gonna get him. Vilify all my bills team. He's not talk about subbing late in the game he's talking about your second most valuable player not playing on special teams. That's all not play in that spot you would have. Shiancoe you would have -- -- all you have an offensive lineman Ryan would -- on the left side. You know -- the same position you know that same position -- anybody any special team any -- any Qaeda and could play that spot you know practice and play it brought you could look at other teams go back a little less than a guarantee here. Every team doesn't have the best receiver in that spot on extra points. So the argument or the discussion is not about whether bill in that specific instance Pete should have -- all it's it's 58 points now we're only going for 59. Or should come sit down because I don't wanna rescue -- talking about the overall use of your stars on special teams and does bill what draft. To a fault on -- said that may be to a fault. People who are or are versatile enough to play on special teams so I guess is there are some people on the roster not name gronkowski not -- Welker not named Vince not named Brady the complaint and special -- At and and by the way you'd -- we can play his answer to that question you don't know -- -- Paco is close to one guy he's more important the -- The -- to that is yes you are. The most important guys out you know risk Tom Brady. At all that you don't risk. Wes Welker Rob Gronkowski you do risk. Of Shiancoe you do risk. Matthew Slater of me that's the whole. Point that. Forget who was enough from ever somewhat -- -- Parcells. Always said you know I treat them all different memory treat the course of treatment. The most valuable guys Tabasco ice are treated differently Lawrence Taylor is treated differently from Steve DeOssie and just a fact of life so you take out. -- and he took out gras that's the -- argument. Rock -- played one play in the finals. And he left it -- -- starters in there because they're not as important if not as big gamble. To play. All started as it is to play rob went. -- and Borges accurately points out in his column today. That this has consistency on bill's part he has done this and done this for years so we can't give him any criticism for being inconsistent because this is what -- -- But he also points out that he has lost starting players and there is a valuable players. All the special teams with injuries to Tedy Bruschi Ted Johnson Richard Seymour Dan -- Michael Wright and now gronkowski. Using them on special teams that after mentioned list of six. Got hurt missed games because they were performing on specialties. Did you did you trumpets might not always -- just. Waiting -- -- yelled that everything you know. And I'll tell you go back and look at every other team in the NFL a lot of those teams play a lot of players good players on special teams as well and don't take them out. Late in the game now that the patriots had rep may be the player back players come in at the last second. -- maybe that happens like elect -- prepared Thursday for the jets to have a shackle or whoever else -- complacent Murkowski. On the PA TT but not in the game like that it doesn't happen it does not exist about the game can fix it. The game yet again what if Gradkowski were on the kickoff team to a problem with that. As Rodney Harrison was. It was risky was time to time. -- had problems. We -- problem of Rob Gronkowski and -- -- I don't have a problem with any of these guys -- -- anything with -- billed as a parent now because this -- he played fullback try agencies -- football -- to put the best players -- try to put a team position to win the game. Well that's only cares about that you would put you know Wes Welker you'd put. Brandon Lloyd did put Stephen -- and kick if they were good that if any particular coach believes -- a particular player. It's good and I'm asking you would you put broadcast can -- the best players. And positioned when the game and that's what I would -- Football players play football and I welcome home you -- which -- gonna get her million among other and -- Iran. You know. Gronkowski -- heard the and which guy's gonna get -- and which as you can ill afford to -- correct why do you -- Brady wanted to -- minute hold it guys take about -- it is it is an arguable. Rob Gronkowski is more valuable to you as they -- pass catching tight end. As they run blocking tight end as you were ultimate being key red zone. Target for Tom Brady and he is protecting the edge on a field goal aggregate that is value is in the first or things on the edge. And again you have -- -- were saying here we're not suggesting that he should -- in that situation. A split second decision that all fifteen point. Extra point -- comes sit down talking about the overall philosophy. Of having stars and I mean in this case probably your second biggest star. Most talented player out there on the field doing special team thanks so my question is is -- more valuable to you as a tight end. As a red zone target or that guy blocking the -- for the field you don't we all know the answer that question is obvious we don't we know the answer that question but he's dismissed the fact about. You know of if caused us to go to her and if we did get hurt you guys would be just screaming yelling about the jobs issue so there's there's also -- 5345. Man whoever. If -- the -- got hurt you depicted Shiancoe complain that position. I'm say what he thinks epic rock injury was -- defense is some singular talent that he only he can be the end don't so the first time the coast he's been out there blocked amputees I thought it might help as he should look at our it was not -- -- -- -- even say. -- -- I guess and on the fence -- motives and should not be but if you put them out there. You risk you take a chance -- If you value about this so much just like Rodney Harrison Bruschi and kick -- if you Valium so much you'd taken a chance it's a big chance. And guess what you've lost on Sunday. You won big in the game you lost big on the last point and you've got to be you're open to criticism it is not. You can your amok and just allow guys to change the argument while the move move the goal posts here. And say. -- arms and you will sees -- for what what do you talk much and I'm much Rob Gronkowski is the second most the second best player in the team. The second best player on the team was on PAT on on the extra point team. For the 59 point it's if it's if it. It -- philosophy it is. Incorrectly or correctly that draw is the best guy for that job. I suspect that Thursday night against the jets were gonna have extra points and field goals blocked one after the other because the guy that's gonna substitute for growth he can't quite. Is not to be able to do the job -- -- come flight and I Lockett ever in the breaker on you know what you get a letter you're better off. Many ties with a backup Ryan window -- goes in there and bust is apps or you're better off with a guy who's not a star. The Gradkowski run and not in that series 'cause it took a -- because you know the he. Understood that he didn't want to take any chances so we played one play in the finals -- played 57 steps outfit -- any sleep some in there and here's the problem and I'm I can't confirm this even have seen the video a hundred times and still photos. A guy like Caracas and I'm saying not time but he's kind of go to the motions -- sickness 59 points. I'm not connect in a block down as hard as I might on the game winning field goal I'm tired you know I'm -- it's just natural he's out there and he's kind of you know not taking it as seriously as a backup would you. But a back -- they elect window on the left side grew up on the rights and give Shiancoe or Marcus cannon or or fell this week or whoever you can have a a special team we even have a wide out or smaller guy but they will bust their ass. Blocked out or they might not have let's Sergio Brown come through that gap. Now that's beside the point he did it's over with but but the debate Bure and accept the argument. I do that up yardage you shouldn't use you -- that don't dismiss I understand where yards corporate might do and I'm telling you. You act like the patrons are the only team in the NFL that does this. You think there are other teams have their second or third best offensive player on special teams all the time it happens it was a -- type of injury until that happens it's the NFL we start talking about taking a chance why would you take it yet it's the national. Football -- every play you take a chance of course that is way go to every. Every play you take a chance when you're having him do what is of value to you and your team and my suggestion would be blocking on the edge on field goals is not where gronkowski brings value there're other people who could bring just as much and is -- points out maybe more value Steve take a risk of having him do something that's not necessary for him to do. And now you don't have him measure pass catching tight end your run blocking tight end and Tom Brady's favorite reds are part and I as the Pietrus of course to. I asked this every week or whenever he's Specter -- -- Wes Welker return punts. He's good at -- he's got great hands put. And and it is new every week he doesn't do it every time every part may not be anymore after element. That would just fun element should return punts in or over and some in the some cornerback or some Slater -- much -- And I even have Welker is better do you want Wes Welker. Who who makes nine point three million or nine points or 200 returning punts in its bills philosophy. And when it works it's -- he's a football guy football players play football. But it. Backfired on them and a lot of the -- ball boys that's one of them all don't all boils ball boys are having trouble with stab in trouble -- bill took a chance that sounds like girls being critical questioning bill when -- -- that's not a loud and -- balls boys team. It the -- it. It's his -- -- extremists the other ways that doesn't work you. That doesn't work hard I just one voice one quarter run back kick off source you know he's the agent out you know that our ports -- according to play because I'm -- put on the kick -- back -- we are not a finally got a bit better with thwarted and a quarter run in the -- back a little bit better. But now -- -- already outlets are public or kick -- anymore because he might get courtesy you need him it's -- I don't got its value as well garlic and Welker has more valuable look at workers to good. At the risk specialties but that's. -- philosophy nobody is too good to plant specialties thank god Brady's a faster via fast you get out there its fastest Colin -- predict it got a kick offs six. 777979837. It is a Tuesday it would the goggles -- -- -- goggles -- tomorrow tomorrow's doubles yeah yeah and -- how -- do not know that it's Wednesday the day before thanks to. About I shall we had like -- let it. Don and now we're sending -- it and it's been talked about it. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Dave Adams Jeff and -- talked to you next ninety seconds from --

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