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Are the Red Sox a third or fourth place (in the AL East) team?

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Wed, 22 Feb 2012|

Holley and Glenn go back and forth about the Sox position amongst the AL East teams, and whether both the Yankees and Rays (and dare we say, the Jays) are all better than the Red Sox.

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  1. John Lackey5:09, 5:36, 5:46
  2. AJ Burnett34:22, 34:31, 34:35
  3. Andrew Miller13:30
  4. Carl Crawford18:30
  5. Mariano Rivera12:14, 34:07
  6. Johnny Damon32:46, 32:48
  7. Josh Beckett13:17, 36:31
  8. David Ortiz18:36, 20:18, 22:36
  9. CC sabathia1:51, 28:53
  10. Terry Francona18:19, 21:06, 23:51

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Only to first week of spring training and already you've got to the point where. That's a definitive. So. I heard you and knew me last night on. On TV though -- have some audio problems I thought they were dumping yen about yeah I thought they were doubling in the audio like an English you guys who's become like a Ford library is on the -- shall be your -- No I got -- it just -- me was like three seconds delay in the flawed process where.

Where you was your payload is hard knocks were able to pick up the lipstick. That that he left on the on the canisters of I'm David Price in Matt Moore and Jeremy Alex and and and basically an. Road in the entire yankees to have.

I represented just look at your team does not feel a toilet no love being yanked out of there what -- hold the vision and Coca puzzles like. One team he took the whole division easel lobbying would you I gotta tell you son Micah. In this yes Red Sox yes very opt optimistic especially compared to you now the -- out of there's no argument no argument you've got it if you -- argued the rays have the best staff in the division. What a step best rotation in the division. I'll give me that. You've got it. It's come to me he would call Rhoda. Economy with no -- The company put an eight at all all questions for different reasons he's crazy speed the man but after that question well and.

Especially Panetta because in notice Brian Cashman can backing off on that because the New York media seize on any so. So -- and all meanings like. I was gonna say CC junior but there's no juniors there because he is boxing out east. As as CC sabathia. So that respect he so he's quite impressive but I agree with you. I mean you've got to see what's going on here but I mean I think you also have to be critical on the on the flip side you when you when you deal with the Red Sox. Am I do think the Yankees have questions I think. They have questions of that rotation you don't know how Kuroda is going to pitch here in this division but do we not have the same situation. Was what Bailey is going to be like pitching in a much different ballpark gives a lot of fly balls. In Oakland overall lots you look at his numbers on the road -- at home. There's a lot different -- he walks a lot more people on the road when he gets away from that gigantic ball park. And there's a reason why because you've got so much foul territory right so. I look at my lancet the same way Blanton pitched in this division before guess what yankees ran a lot of years -- guy young guy had matured two years ago. I've matured a two year or two resorts reported up the excuse -- let you at the same -- you're doing the same thing to reverse that you just accused Elmira don't think about what you were doing two years ago. You you've come a long way to get it two years have -- or not. Well but to have this program at this program white -- the -- Robert he's mediocre die you recollect I got -- I -- they are mediocre record -- he sent me over the years of that sure they were me I would certainly -- the same thing -- your. You're trying to find reasons why. It at the Red Sox can make this all -- there are out there to answer questions on. All of these too much -- noted Glenn is just not trying to find reasons by the Red Sox are going to be good team because I think they're guilty. I think they have look I I think there -- good old Michael I think there are good. Lineup though they have some poles -- certainly shortstop right field behind the plate but on the whole. They're going to score an awful lot of runs you can't call them good pitching staff because if you wanna look back you don't have to look back two years ago you can look packet. 201120102009. This was not a good pitching staff.

Well I look at it this way. We have we have taken heartbreak too far like most people do. Get your heart broken. And everything is bad -- he would not -- anyway. I've never loved I'd never cared about that polygamy just. You hurt so we got our hearts broken in September and now everything has gone and you don't you don't this is will be on the rebound and -- what it's. You're looking for the next. Look at -- the next lover out you know you look at the lottery about a two departments are always being there are forming a pirate the Beverly you. We have gone too far with this whole September thing Alex yeah.

Everybody's just record can't trust them you know what is legitimate argument to sit here and say. That the pitching on this team has not been good for the last three years. And there are question marks once again with a picture I'm not sure they've improved their pitching at all that affect.

Let's take a step Oscars -- I mean rocket ballistic.

Raising its -- the only argument you've given so far. And it and it ended well it's it's a halfway decent hours ago -- it's it's a halfway decent one and that is that you're subtracting John Lackey but somebody's got to make up the innings.

So he's got to make -- twelve wins -- that. So he's gonna make him already well we're -- you -- remember the guys they brought in the front Miller's commitment we're gonna same guys and -- depending on Miller your depending on Felix duke brought. The same kinds of Michael Ball aren't usually guys -- depend on them.

Let me look up by John -- here now if if memory serves and I am this is up top man to find it. Thought John Lackey last year or 265. More nod I believe it was 170 art 170. On the last. Yeah thank you John Lackey did in 2011. Gave the Boston red dot 46160. But the other guys -- don't. The evidence. You said the dynamic of the twelve win that Lackey gave you -- it is an act of god. That this guy was able to win twelve games that -- about. About God's grace and mercy that -- when they went twelve games this girl and we are here to support what is about it go to get the most from -- anybody else's. I promise you give anybody else those 160 innings. Q it is a Major League though it was in -- Other team. On the National League I don't care who it is you'll pick. Humpty pitcher from any other team give him 160 innings and Red Sox and what -- ordered twelve points of Michael. You still have improvement column this pitching staff. Is better than it was a year ago they so many things have to happen right for how how can you not -- he. Can you not go -- The removal of John Lackey as a major point you're replacing all I have a sure fire if you all didn't have shore fire last year with him. I agree what you don't what you should -- you're eighteen but you're you're doing exactly what I -- at the top. We can't definitively say anything about any of these teams right now because you don't know.

On -- value is that this guy gave 260 innings not 200 unfortunately so what you have to replace. The battery now and hundreds of Phoenix. The 28 start. You'll have to replace. With John Lackey those innings you have to replace. And quotes a 114 earned runs. That he allowed outside of ash and at a nice whip of I want a white light lets you replace operates what -- a partisan -- got replaced viewers the twelve games replaced. And it's my national mighty winds and out of the play OK and here's my here's my next. Why the rotation is better than it was last year replace. You think like buckles and it's more than eighty plus innings I would I would hope so that's an improvement. You have -- so you'll you have taken away the worst pitcher in baseball. -- I'm not exaggerating he was the worst return baseball. You've replaced him with Daniel Bard. Who is a question mark as a starter but I don't think he's gonna be the worst pitcher in baseball if I'm wrong -- et -- say outstanding parents say. Guilty as charged I was wrong -- in February Daniel -- wouldn't be worse than John Lackey -- don't think that's gonna happen take that bet in now. Got to take clay buckles who gave you eighty good innings last year when he pitched but he got hurt. And an -- that they've got going to be two under a 160. Coming to 165 from quite buckles. That's an improvement those two areas that dramatic improvement they don't have enough storage and you're gonna lose some of these guys to injuries. You're -- probably lose some of these guys for 2345. Starts. It happens every year you'd don'ts for stable they don't five starters right now they have all war if you include bore them fit -- Another thing they don't have a fifth and a they don't have a a reliable. Reliable -- that's probably an oxymoron when all you want about Kuroda or or open it but. At least you can look at them as -- that lineup -- with the Sox. The Red Sox have a bunch of guys who were competing for the fifth spot and whoever wins the job.

Guys you guys that credible options. It could completely broke and it certainly numbers six.

And -- In Iraq -- five guys out of options what do you do Michael you gotta you gotta have all those guys on your roster. Five guys are out of until somebody wins the job and the other guys go by the guy you'd lose the other guys apps so who comes in it replaces. Beckett for three or four starts or Lester for three or four store or bark for three or four if you lose any of those guys. What does it happen it happens very rarely Seattle won here. Closed up in the Red Sox are what you're you know they want to happen to get toxic right that you what they lost for couples start. But when you when you have five guys when you have five for couple starts the minute to -- started the instantly they didn't have just finding seven. But the other two only started one to. How often does that happen at five starters are healthy and staying through the entire -- and this is exactly what Leo said. Last year before the season began in February he came -- of said we don't have enough starters.

I guess what.

Don't have enough starters this year are in -- in the exact same boat you're you're. I don't know but there. I mean how can you say that on what you can't say anything definitive -- it -- 22 you don't have an art can't in my opinion right now I don't got a year ago they're gonna have to find some starters out of -- can't. It got to find some stars. Know that you've got the question. Olive and it's not an easy one and people throwing this one -- about apple could say all you want about palpable animals lost two games against Baltimore. But he was good for 6568. Appearances. Over the last two years to god it's replacing him who pitched an eight in eight in a -- a muzzle on the gigantic arc -- it's definitely is coming to pitch in this ballpark. He isn't he's only been able to give that to -- money team over the last couple years 4045. Appearance and -- he's got us 65 appearances in is that as a closer for the Steve Perry got no it doesn't have to give notified somebody else to do somebody else who can do exactly that kind of thing you've got a guy last year closed who calls for the Astros -- so I mean. We don't even know if he can do the role but he's asked to do. At the same level that they did you bargain if there's an annual bark at -- in my opinion a terrific year and -- silly it's silly argument is that. -- what are we know.

Haven't even heard what my silly argument is that you already rejected I'm gonna tell you what the silly argument I thought that what you argue it's at this point I'm just silly aren't just silly argument to compare. Or to even get into. Johnson palpable on verses and -- really. Papelbon -- every time. Papelbon is better than Bailey Papelbon. It is one of the great closers of the last ten years. But that doesn't mean that when you get the ball to Bailey is going to be chaos it just means -- them do the same things that Papelbon did it. -- So if if you play that game. Anybody coming in here short of Mariano Rivera got to be able to look at them and say while I don't know I mean Papelbon did this this net. Courts. That's why it was good that's got to fifteen million dollar contract because he's one of the best in the business. But if you if you haven't had a healthy Andrew Bailey. -- Just don't have doubts about Obama hysterectomies or six guys are out of options -- stand corrected on that went into how.

And boy but I'll tell you what people -- people buying into it says because people don't do -- it's this long game without talking about six Carter right. Look back at 2011. The team lost because on the last month after they have a sixth and so the opening starter.

And on and on an upstart and and and I got -- out.

What throwing -- up there every five games going on out and second laws.

Because the two guys don't give it to be chipped don't go. On. Because two guys did not do what they normally do they lost because Josh Beckett -- in September over 55 and a half. They lost because they couldn't beat the Orioles Lester and Beckett can not be a few members of the rest of the guys were in an apple out of that their rotation.

About Andrew Miller -- I don't care about that we usually -- and couldn't get anybody out plan.

If that we're -- was portable problem you almost part of the problem part of the killing our Michael you've got to get him to -- and you can ignore as well that's what the rays. Art to meet our major threat they've got started five. -- get get beyond fine. Great for the democracy and I'm saying to you. If -- Beckett. Lester do what you expect him to do. They have here it since September like they did in June July August. It is what -- get on the edge of Miller Michael Beckett is what what it was faster than it was a picture of an area under three. Don't try and say he gave you are making. If he pitches his normal. KPD veteran.

And normalized yeah last year if you look at our ever.

What you're talking about one -- Michael -- other pitches got a lot of credit majors then maybe you're dealing with 95 and 96 wins and you're not struggling to pick up that ninetieth what do the last day of the season.

It's sort of Beckett if you expect that he's going to be better if you expect Beckett can be better than what he was launched here that you make it huge wrestler that right that's a huge of an answer. They're two guys that you guys didn't do you bear normal. They're normal stuff in the -- posted a normal stuff is gonna be slightly better. With less than that you were last year I slightly better would have done the job last year don't whatever you know you would have got it to -- again it's of the plant right. Up the pitching duels and it'll look like it's would've made the planet did you have the pitching to one of the playoffs. Is all the -- and I were talking about winning because I thought was what was all the.

It isn't just about making it like obviously it's because you'll not know --

What me anyway I don't do and how are you only borrowing down at the altar of the Tampa -- Republican World Series and they want.

After they went our Martin welcome Michael Michaels Lou they get to the playoffs now the red -- all committed 74 million dollar payroll. It's actually quite a free and -- it. The plot with forty seconds just tell me.

That is not about making the playoffs about what in the world's Iraq and when I caught up the race for not winning two World Series when we get to play a they have won a World Series to date there would argue why you -- you don't want.

Why is it that and they don't win the World Series. Could -- operating within fifty million dollar thirty under forty million dollar payroll part and they can't going to go back Adrian Gonzales should get it -- you can't tell -- I don't know on car properly it. Can understand why why why your -- you're not --

And there -- Joseph Maddon was to their bodies on a contract extension. Because what you're never the bad guys ever screw up when you are managing the Tampa Bay race. And a regular C -- don't go on sale and Joseph -- hold onto the job just -- he doesn't have to worry about him winning goal everybody when the race and you got to 57 million dollar payroll. Everybody Kissinger -- in the regular season. When you make the playoffs and then when you don't in the playoffs almighty god it's because you just can't compete with the big boys. You can compare what the big boys and a regular season over a 162 games. You can beat the Red Sox beat the Yankees but -- get into the playoffs and you don't win. Almighty god of -- Tampa elimination act completely else -- let me ask you. Is it not embarrass. At the Boston Red Sox will 174 million dollar propel problem for the rental homes it's imperative for the Red Sox and the Yankees. For ball. Outs in the race by. Outspent a bite him twice -- excellent so why you want beaten up on the range of putting it together. With no money. I only compete payment but. Doing a better job in the restaurant until little engine that could what you get into the playoffs gonna stand for -- David vs Goliath. And right now David is a better job okay that's going on a year UN ninety plus games and get into the playoffs. And you don't win in the playoffs and I'm sorry it does not gonna stand here and make excuses for.

I think if they raise. We're Smart and their ownership put more into it. Inspected the forty million dollars they probably would be when he World Series shame on him. But I'm not gonna sit here and applaud the Red Sox are being able to come close to the race -- but it 174. And the team -- 120 million dollars us it's embarrassing. You've got to be better than you are right now. Got a bit better and got to spend more efficiently actually spoke to him the Red Sox and -- what it's like let's get -- A Terry Francona we'll Jonas it to 430 for a lot of interest -- things to talk to him about Europe some of them with my -- talking about it. Our company made about -- will give in to that what Carl Crawford said. Jon -- and not returning the phone calls and then David Ortiz talking today about how Francona sent down. And I talked to him last year about his soul attitudes double hit an all of that stuff. Plus we'll get -- stake as a ESPN analyst right now as to. Where this is all going Red Sox yankees Tampa Bay etc. etc. etc.

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What ever happened in between me and my man you're and he called me his thing. And tell me what I do wrong I think. That's the best thing that can never happened who what human meaning get and -- it. -- that they use the thing that you think that you are -- to the right thing. We're doing so. I didn't do anything I didn't do anything. You know better equipped phones from all the guys very much more movement that I do. When I believe we're going to go to. The safe on the me. He wasn't something that with the Clinton that -- mean he was fun thing that I should not do it because. What. Not from -- He he didn't want that with the liberal ideologue. What it wasn't anything.

Quite dangerous thing. As we've heard a lot about this with. What -- the that he would defend somebody publicly and we are an awful lot of stories behind the scenes. -- with Manny Ramirez. But he would say one thing publicly and in privately would deal with -- in a different manner. And take the player to task and it sounds like that's what David Ortiz is pretty much saying. That he did it took him to death for stuff and he was concerned about him around the younger players that was interest. --

The average you know are are you surprised by any of that -- On a kind of surprised that I maybe they -- talk about it today yeah I'm surprised you were talking about it and I think the fans were. Would be surprised based on what we -- because that they -- being. Positioned as. Bobby Valentine coming in instilling some discipline that this team never had. I think this team had disciplined team did not have discipline last year clearly. And you can see from the start the year. Those two engines start and 720 finish. They have some discipline problems but over the course of his career -- manager. Terry Francona used to do stuff like this all the time. And most of the time it didn't get out was getting out now. May be because. Either Ortiz thought it was unfair when when Tito dated or. Tito is gone so he just needs that. He's gonna combatant and they would he has to say it's interesting that we -- talking about this in the office. About an hour ago. Ortiz has changed a bit. Our number two Eagles and -- an awful emitted today or not but that I remember him talking about Ortiz. In. Late 2006 early 2007. That Ortiz is unbelievable form. Was a one of the clubhouse policeman. If he needed anything. As a matter of fact. Even when he didn't know we needed something to talk about to -- Tito didn't know what he would come out. Ortiz would come into his office and say whatever you need that you tell me what you need to do and I'll get it done and about anything. And and sometimes it meant. You know going to talk to a young player sometimes that meant grabbing Manny Ramirez and say how you doing one or two in the lineup sometimes it just having drinks. With with with players outside outside of the columns way but he said Ortiz was one of his best leaders Ortiz. Very Jacqui mention Pedroia he mentioned even as a young player Michael what we know what happened Michael. Get the playing time that he -- Clinton and now you don't lol not so not so cool.

David Ortiz didn't get to counteract it wanted industry got -- you want an end. At the beginning of blows it away don't nine whatever. The Jiri struggling start struggling and he was called back to the dugout. Didn't hear it Toronto okay wait a minute I had a Mac Richard pack all these years get or enemy -- So they fell out but George and -- is still cool. And and Varitek and having -- Just caught up to almanac if he can't really be the same kind of leader when you're not playing as part of the shelf life yet of a manager coach -- players. -- but yet -- it is -- the shelf player but Ortiz who do you hear him now he says I'm an employee. Basically a do and I'm told which is a is an old Pedro line Pedro says that when he was upset if I'm an employee I -- he was just shuffled -- he was pissed off about something. But Ortiz has changed now wonder why. He decided that he's not going to be that force and maybe he he says forget about this family business and all you know one for all. When it's time for me to get my contract. I can't get the contract I'm looking for or what I need something these guys are helping me so those -- gonna show up and is doing I'm supposed to do.

I let's get you phone -- here and Blake Shelton as we said Terry Francona which honest. At 435 it's all your phone calls until -- along the lines there's Christian Rhode Island --

They -- they don't address. They're person confidant to get them off my chest here I'm reapply about the new ballpark they have done in order.

And I just I'm just -- I -- agencies yesterday is seen pictures Kristen you into the virtual tour of it. -- can actually get a sense of it without being there.

Yes so that they're jetBlue part is what it's called them as Vietnam and pick it up.

Yes yeah customs gonna virtual tour and I've seen obviously the shots out of Fort Myers you know stand -- everybody's doing.

At the -- computer but -- yes that Connecticut Lou -- dot com. -- And jetBlue -- dot com okay.

Surprise story. As you're at home you can play along as well we are with -- what does it comes up as the New York Yankees. It comes up this yankees dot count. And nobody knew he's messing with the computer. Great guy on the account sent. -- the park this domain name don't -- the outcome opt. Pretty funny yeah -- actually didn't want to bring that cute and and that's it oh like that could. In line unfortunately all things come to an on time but we're that is pretty funny.

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I don't think I don't know what is how does it have anything to do with the man -- wait wait wait until John Henry hears about this wait until it. --

While jetBlue has been trying to call me out which right after a shortcut to dot Charles here's your first assignment right here. Arguments on that one now I have you can't later Red Sox for them and somebody obviously. You know purchased the the address and that's where it is a quick break and we get to -- of it joke. It's.

Moore. Said it would deal that people is Megan. Then what it was going all. That's what I think. But I got say. On the page. And there's a new year. We don't mean all negativity would mean no more compensation. I think we need to come in and work as a group. Everybody had to do and accomplish things from him okay so why -- that if they. Stay still on the same page.

David Ortiz from earlier today. Taken he'd hear Omnia AT&T Tex lines people think that I -- woman Deloitte -- if you're not paying attention not listening at at the beginning I said. We don't know definitively about. Any of these teams right now so it's all conjecture. The only point I'm making news if you gonna beat up on the yankees' staff were beat up on the rays staff and I clearly think their questions would both of those teams. That we should be doing the same thing with our Red Sox -- as opposed to -- the problems. And sticking up the those -- the the foam finger let's circle back and nobody's been up the raced at no point has been approved of the race there. Who's been a three -- you beat of the race team that you were beaten up dollars and I'm not -- talk about Kuroda and got it what are they going to -- and there and get your. You know you're just taking it for granted that the -- actually going to be.

They're gonna programs and there in the same category -- but -- aren't what what I that we have great dad played solid making fun of -- me last night who would who was who was throwing rose petals. Both staffs. And saying on the red -- arm and the Red Sox are like eight or nine. These three their top 38 or ninth in the American League compared everybody else they have to know he's talking about their person of their top three pitchers. He's -- that I'm not the stab at -- numbers. He say their -- well so would you rather have anything about Texas you know Derek Holland a lot. The loss C. J. Wilson prost and a time to great pickup for and a your C. J. Wilson to a staff that was are eager. As. Tampa very good. The rays well -- artists and the race. Detroit maybe to try and there. -- Verlander and in yours your body mr. last year. I'd laugh at first I did would have been a great acquisition. As opposed to have a -- they went from Bedard. The tigers went for fester in the -- many great. But he can't he can't look at these three guys the top three projected guys for the Red Sox and say. Nothing special it's actually pretty good. But if you can't just take and it may be it may be better. In what they have a new York and maybe. Again you know -- CC sabathia got the the top 300 CC's sabathia and not over. Over anybody on both things -- given the nod over overpriced government not over Lester over Beckett activist that let's take total. -- This can't just look at the top three can't just be selective because unfortunately Major League Baseball aren't you got a pitcher ever to Ivan -- usable but let's take hold pitching. Ranked them for me Boston New York Tampa Bay how -- direct.

I have identity as you in my don't know is not yet to do is look at Liberia and I don't know the year before I don't know yeah.

Off -- losers that a guy. -- these different people right. So you can't. It's incomplete right now I don't accept every year they're pulpit when code. No matter -- they reported and they project their their bullpen has been good they've done a much better job their rotation -- much better job of acquiring. Bullpen guys that work for the work. I can't rank him now because I don't know what Tampa's bullpen and I like their rotation better than the other two teams are right -- for Tampa they want yankees two Red Sox can't do that I'm basing I don't wanna saw last year when the year before -- went to this -- what's on the steps as united confuses people he said YouTube accusing people not listening to. I have licensee. And you said it's all projections. We really aren't sure there's nothing definitive work project I don't know what we saw last year and you can't. Okay. So if you wanna go if you wanna go based on last year where you know I'll vote for years had John -- here I don't Henry -- body here again Daisuke here and then I agree with you Michael Michael if they had acquired another big -- that was gonna make a dramatic difference or two forms. And I could move the Red Sox up the -- I'm looking at the last three years. And over the last three years Tampa Bay and the Yankees have a better pitching them there it's how can you sit there. And just pull out of there and suddenly say that the Red Sox might be you might be outside you do it and put out there record you'd be too solid examples of how the Red Sox -- the Red Sox with the -- and so -- you've already said that weaken themselves with their closer. We don't know about the setup guy because -- was terrific last year's setup guy right you moving him into the rotation so even if he's good in the rotation. You still have to worry about more bullets and being good does that set up okay -- at least two things have to happen for. Every -- every team in baseball. Every team in baseball -- worries these in the season about that everybody. You -- if -- got a great closer like Rivera you know worry about him opium agree clothes like Papelbon was -- word about him. But everybody worries about setup guy Lewis again I celebrated its common Iliescu a different course. The bad the hitting of the -- the office how would you rate the three team. Tampa will be third -- And and you gotta -- it's a toss up between the Yankees aren't allowed to say that why would camp of the -- you don't know well. I do know this. They're leading hitter last year was Casey got beat you said last year doesn't. They can get as I just gave you last year and the year before and the pitching you have an added a major on the pitching staff. Occasionally subtracted one. And -- tell me we don't know where they rank based on last year and yet I agree with you with what you just gave for the because I would -- Boston one. New York but nobody left in Tampa Bay ferry in -- Mainly because I think it is getting a little bit older and so I'm not sure. The Jeter how much of a rod gonna play as many games sell I would -- the Red Sox first and it. Out of the story in pitching. I would rank of -- no.

With with Tampa it's a pretty easy exercise because they didn't lose anybody. I didn't lose anybody -- while Johnny Damon maybe. Lost Johnny Damon so I guess for a guy game seven plus RBIs last year and wasn't great.

The Yankees Arnold. -- I would -- different but they're very close you're right they're very close I think the Red Sox they won last year the Yankees were to intolerance court. Probably will be the same this year OK but right next to each other and then Tampa Bay will will will drop down that. But when it comes to pitching. To me it's Tampa Bay yankees. Red Sox now facing both of those the offense and a matching. What I saw last year and what they've added into their team this year.

We're different but you can't Richard Richard not -- and on last year with the analogy to -- somebody that's how they -- like he didn't accompany you on a second. You can't based on last year when you didn't see Pineda and in Yankee Stadium last year UNC Kuroda. In Yankee Stadium last year reader comments to -- why ranked you know they had the rest of -- two fifths of their rotation. I just told you I ranked but why would you rank as the Yankees were better lashed -- much federal -- pitching another it's much but Michael. You wanna look it up look at the numbers they want to clog up the numbers were last yankees a much better but here's your base know last year you got the whole season not for September now you've got the guys -- got two guys added to the rotation. Who weren't there last -- we have no idea what they're gonna do.

Correct but no I still there -- CC still there Mariano Rivera still there. They have Soriano they have Robinson -- That that are still pieces so many thing the Yankees if the two guys they acquired. Improve -- this chance they will be better than AJ Burnett. You wanna play the John Lackey argument. I can tell you that I can to put it I can take rodents like that would be better one of the 20 and AJ Burnett was because he was their job like year.

You're -- the Red Sox had AJ Burnett last year in place of John Lackey they would have made the playoffs he was that much better he was a running -- half better. Then John Lackey getting ERA last year 515 Lackey was six but the more I. I don't think it's that simple taken jump like a location because on the good local out --

Well Michael what happened Michael dive it in your report. Pitching can 100 Red Sox two yankees buried. But I'm.

How -- have the pitching again.

I. Can't but number one there at dock number two in the -- remember it very -- Why. I guess because bank believe we do not papacy John Lackey wants -- yeah. I do think I'm with Michael Daisuke I like Daisuke. For whatever reason Laura.

They're auto auto -- PT -- with me here and -- about Daisuke eggs usually I don't know I don't like Daisuke Britain but Daisuke is going to be awful lot. I don't know -- factor commences and into the rotation.

Contract that -- in June I hope to. But -- about the job. I mean have a lot of respect that he. And I just kind of would like to know how many plays -- go back -- I really wish we screwed up so bad for you know. Is it have to play -- the recorders. And just. You know and also has John -- got them back to -- or yes.

Get a target but I don't think I don't think. -- don't think many guys would say because they've had the opportunity many times. And nobody has nobody has come out and said you are correct a couple of guys have have mentioned Tito and glowing terms think Lester has obviously Pedroia has. But -- you're used I've heard much from Ortiz -- much from from Josh Beckett ever heard much from a lot.

And then back they're not going to do it now Pete because. You know they've got to be or at least show that they're loyal to the new guy you can't do it at the time to -- it would have been after he was gone Michael's right lot of guys -- stand up. At at that's -- it may be. They wanted him to -- the -- it was a lot easier for them point the finger at somebody else.

I think it's a -- shameful but hey maybe they do know it's time to move on as well you know I and I don't know but I thought I was a bit shameful especially being in such. So good to them as far as Spain can draw and talking to them differently behind closed doors as opposed to in the public.

I would agree and.

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