Danny Ainge

Hello Danny a guy I had married now know it was that you -- all year long and up until this point NBA regulation. The talk about these players I was like somebody is -- your. Adam -- it is just missed that he could finally talk about how. Do you -- who police this GO a couple of players -- ask about you know -- okay here is his name oh Ben caught him off and go to the -- Iowa State seven feet freshman any good. He's pretty good player do what he want to know about all I. -- everything. You've been silent too long I need to know everything about this kid how he would fit and that's the team had a Paul Pierce and al Jefferson owned --

Oh I think he would fit in with -- he's at a a great offensive rebounder and shot bought it and he is this game -- progressing on the post it's not polished yet but it's coming along. And you know but at the that it presents and rebounding presence is is legit and I'd like I I wish you wait a little more which you have a little bit more earth.

I'll I'll work on Fuego Aaron who Zurich you know Normal again but -- do you see this guy get bigger.

Yeah out you know he's he's so very -- he's been the similar sides of the last couple years have been this kid is. As bit of man among boys for a few years he looks older -- age in.

You looks all the you know he -- the -- Robert miller the sat out but he's pretty old idea -- like. All the sudden voters look like go to -- if you get a vote on site good.

Don't let all right so you know he's been playing I think it's. I think the the danger what I try to avoid is comparing players the better players is it felt at the draft. Trying to attach names to these guys but I think it's a pair of the post an expectation I think it it's that the player got a great future.

I'd talked about the upside with him offensively D offensively could he have an impact on the team. Like viewers right away.

Chair you know again I think you'd have a impact on anybody's team that way because he's a shot blocker and he's -- and he's he's very aware defensively of -- scored on a court in I think he can execute better if -- this year.

Offensively we saw -- beginning of the year he was playing with one entity and play with that left -- I've always felt that guys that eventually. Learn how to use both -- specially guys deployed around the rim. Seemed to be guys that are tough to defend. Is that. The fact that he had that problem and and used it to his advantage even shooting free throws with his with -- left -- could that be something -- can actually improve his office.

by it except better left handed hitting it right handed ritual that. You know I think so absolutely 80s both against -- the basket it's it's a big advantage although. You know -- pretty one and dominate in the post he gets away with that Kevin mchale -- they'll let it -- you and he got away with it in but he'd this guy can go you know -- has both he has left and jump hook. At the right in the I think that injured it did help him oh from the left in the still able to contribute offensively but mostly because of the size not because he was. Skilled with his left hand as much as he is bigger than most guys but -- it's --

I think it was the -- that the MPH as she does is due to random thing you know his mother Kevin Texas. I don't that you. What about him tells about him.

I sat next -- his grandmother when that was just an old brother was post five. You know cabin is Kevin as it is a terrific offensive player he's at -- should be that the player has -- 75 weeks and again these these you know that's just what's reported that. I you know as we look at it vote for example -- in estimate 70 to 80. And I think he's more like 611250 right now those sort of need to be careful what you hear read the papers. About there's sizes but you know is reported sizes 69 with a 75 weeks and knowing that we have long arms about his feet yet but he does have greatly. And he blocked shots well it could be bounced the ball think he was the tops in the country could be -- In down you know he's doesn't have -- that doesn't have been mature physical body -- But he's got a great feel for the game at all to -- the ball. And now. He's in the future NBA players.

Let's just say that you just happen I don't know fantasize here that you just happen to be in a position where you can get. Either one of these players which one would have a bigger impact on your team.

I don't know the answer that assist let's wait so let's wait a few more weeks before we discuss that.

Way to. Only that we don't wanna you know up.

Superstitious too that would go I honestly have not -- I mean obviously I've watched all -- play. I have not studied them on eight but have not taken the time but big because. If that decision happens you know obviously if it's the single focus when it's time to focus one that have been focusing on this on the tougher decisions. And and so I've really haven't that the time that I need to be even incident on right now I I mean obviously I could pick one of my attitude right now but.

that I am not going to not mean anybody yet but he had to Wheaton which I want it if he wants to know which one would play best with Ryan Gomes but I play is that it. That's what he wants -- all I. Telling me that you're going to spend a lot of time between now on the 22 looking at other people because you already know that those if you work a lockout. And get one or two than the decision really would conduct two --

Yes that's a that's policy icicles at the top two players in this year's draft. But there's more players that those two and you -- talked about you would do things have been happening opposed to dugout the title he would.

went in that don't mentions such.

But I don't but I do but I thought it. But it is. I think that there is some. There are more players that that distracts us out.

It did when you say it is the -- drop off -- from don't one into the other players I would -- at all. You think other players in the -- these guys.

I think that they I think that there's some players that are more ready than those guys to play right now like yeah national there's there's holistic guys you. This look at the guys six stated above the top 15 in all the mock drafts of those they all are.

All here Horford right hole all the names read I eat Finley and brewer ride or. -- worked for that whole group.

What I don't understand I I don't at all whether you're just trying to. Cautioned the crowd out the average just in case you don't get lucky on the 22 or you actually really believe that one of those players. Three and ball will have the same type of impact long term with your team as Warner to.

While -- no obvious they just told you that that would want it to our. They're clear what it is to me. But I also believe that there's other guys that -- you know it it's it that we talked about this before few months ago where it was supposedly at this time. -- about Carmelo Anthony's and and LeBron James all the way wade and Kirk Hinrich and well in the draft -- Chris Bosh both guys have turned out pretty darn good a lot better than people spot. The aren't just saying and that you know -- back Pete in the Tim Duncan they mean. In -- Tracy McGrady turned out to be a very good player -- championship he has never had David Robinson played with him. Sean Elliott in -- moderate to -- league in guys back all the brought his team you know would have been. Tracy McGrady and interpret Billups would have been. You know pretty darn good tandem of decisions more important to pick the bright eyes right now that worry about my draft positions so -- media maybe I'm being defensive from my it's my old or you know just from -- preparation. -- but I do see. I do see some potential greatness in more players than to distract.

They're much of and Jeff Green is brought up by I like him a lot and -- seems to. They have the smarts to be able play at the end it you know at a high level in the in in the NBA elect every play there's some weaknesses in his game right now but he just seems to -- real basketball player I understand all of that on the other hand. -- when a situation if you don't get one or two that you still might have to think. About dealing -- and I bring up that all -- should view the jacking the ball did. On the recently here in in I'm sure you read it and and all seemed very anxious. -- are you concerned. That if you don't get one or two that you might have to get somebody who can help you out right away. And that may mean dealing -- away to get an experienced player to be able to satisfy the guy that you've already got here right now that's future franchise --

Well I think at this -- in England dismissed that economic it and I you don't have -- to direct the number one to two like most teams in the NBA.

I have a joining you wouldn't is that it wanted to and that ordered.

Went into an order that's definitely Jeff Jeff Green is a three year college player in in a lot of ways he's more physically prepared he's. He has a more complete game eat sensibly and off that he passes the ball he tripled the ball he's got huge hands that. To make the he can shoot the ball 69. Any play you know on the outside and inside did you eat gently and is eight. You know six so let happen. Maybe is great athlete is there is in the old trapped ball. Now he's at for many cities like of space or he'd like you know of the play well you don't get -- comparative that the quality but even -- belittle that -- Antonio McDyess. Eight you know each shoot the ball -- little backed the basketball but he better face -- up he runs like beer but on the court you know he's been playing to get some -- that the top much better popped competition in NC AA competition he's 20 years old in east but he's more seasoned with -- international basketball at its international play that he are college kids or the younger guys those you don't meet -- an example we Corey brewer we hope we all watched you know probably the most valuable player in the final four and in Herbert and you know went to national championships in the juniors they've been through a lot eagle if they won the national championship clash and that you know -- everybody was -- to get them this year in the came back they've played better Horford rewarded. And so you know I'm just saying in the there's there's more to it than the to get to the top.

Kenny did you end up what number one have you already made up your mind. Who that number one guy is going to be in heavy you know obviously discussed with the owners all you guys on the same page.

No we have not. Again it's it it it's as superstition thing that I'm just not even I'm not even do -- that I haven't we haven't discussed internally and others not one person in my life. Including my wife -- knows which way we. -- and that we -- I'm just I'm I'm doing everything else preparing for a 32 pick of preparing to we -- the -- before five right now. It's been -- the I'd be tightly added in. They ought to may 22 will have more focused where we really need to spend our time and we can talk more than.

An innocent sounding -- scenes of reports it. Is that what you -- do my ticket did Ricky Williams and then to school golf. -- 88 draft pick it just pick one guys. So I do with the your best international players this year.

Best international players well I think as you eat each and limit the best I would say there's kids being told -- seven footer that it very.

When it Croatian yeah. Sadly -- do

you know I without is that it's 71 that you -- in those measurements that you never know he usually the Europeans are more accurate that the colleges.

Is what I want to know these date of -- so they accurate.

Well you know what there's been some there's been some dispute it was kind of funny that we've done a lot of research but there's no way to know for sure. On each Edmonds for example you know -- missed -- if everything seems pretty consistent until he got rid of the aged in China. But then all the sudden. You think started change at about what the date of birth was so you just never know but it official date of birth is 1980 set it was in the year 1987. And but you know there's been some rumors spread recently that it was born in. 1985 you don't quite honestly a mature that matched if that's what he wondered 19. What he's 22 but but I think that a lot of times there's -- things spread the agent business can it can -- as well.

Shawne Williams kid that got the thrown off the Boston College team. I showed some promise certainly defensively what does -- get drafted.

Well you know I'm not sure yet you know -- obviously at some baggage there a lot of teams makes that way I think he's I think he's -- kiddies it's wrong decisions in his life but I don't know that he killed we will do some research which touched on it and hope to bring him work out. And up probably more than one work out in technical good hard look in -- it if he doesn't go before.

a -- and they were talking about it earlier today at the in Thompson that it in Sports Illustrated you might have seen it as well. What you claimed it he claimed that the Boston Celtics don't send out a scout team to go and and pre scout teams on the road is that that seemed to be strange -- they always have in the past.

There were a bit -- it. -- what what would you guess something.

My guess is that you have somebody that's out their that would that would be desperate I thought he had injured. Dejesus and --

Yes I don't understand it except you know I I don't know where you've got that information that set except. Looking today in -- press guide to -- we could have the titles the same as some other teams or maybe there's some people. In the NBA heaven forbid people out that role that you run into is that you have the Celtics don't have. Apt maybe they're trying to get a job would help it that the name being out we've we watch you know. Chris and -- when. Watch and Ryan mcdonna we we probably watch over 300 NBA games a year. On top of that our assistant coaches watch at least in game tapes of every opponent but that they played before they played them. Plus on top of that we have a program when that we're one of the the first teams in the Indian have a program called synergy where I can right now I'm sitting at my desk can punch up any player I want. And I can look at their last 50150 possessions with the ball in the to -- and we have so much information an MBA players on top -- look at the box scores every day. And and with -- TV we watch more in -- game you can imagine and out of hiring three more -- I'm not sure we make it. We've seen in the doesn't it make if that's who we definitely have been --

I thought it was very strange has to be no reason that you wouldn't do that you guys spent a lot of money in other areas of the witches. Would make an awful lot of sense not to have them and then and when the when that the a team percent less money to work with in the past Devoe said the advance -- like what to expect.

a great experience within our coaching staff -- their scouting staff we have a lot of experience we have a lot of connection to almost every team in the NBA. You know with background checks -- as a 21 on and off the -- in. And from the media people -- yielded newspaper. Just we we do a lot of back check a lot of guys consistently again I don't understand that you wear this -- team room but. In a -- other than it was just might be made a couple of bad trade that we should debate based honor in -- out at the --

Let's talk about the background checks that you do want people. Did you failed to do enough of them on Sebastian Telfair weird did that go wrong.

Well it'll burst -- ball you know I don't think Sebastien the bad yet. And I think that -- I have had conversations with Sebastien a gun and we have made a very strict policy here. And we even step it up this year after we you know we had a real strong stance. In our code of conduct that came to firearms. And we've stepped it up. And it in the size it even more. And we just we talked about all the instances of guys kicked pop guns -- all sports just in India and so we've we had a strict policy well you know Sebastien was one of the guys on our team there's there's couple that you know just don't believe -- they believe that the eight -- but that they need done now Sebastien has been a little bit more trouble.

He's wanted to -- these weren't even his guns though.

It's as whites got despite Scott Wright and you know I don't understand that I don't understand why -- is wiped -- But you know that the difference is is that -- know I've heard them Lotta discussions that he's carrying again. He wasn't driving anywhere with the -- very well could not have been -- idea that the gun was in the car. Because he was driving his wife's car and the person that was in his car was as white -- Who's a friend Sebastian as well -- that it -- at the right actions like in the -- and down so.

But hold on ID here and again. We can debate the -- light here the right to bear arms and I understand where you're coming from your position in trying to you which players they don't get themselves in trouble. If you want going to bear arms legally which you can in this country. You've got to be careful in dealing with -- happened twice in which he says his girlfriend or his wives gun. -- not registered to him. On his possession once. And it in an -- in all places where where you go through extensive security specially after an idol and the second time where. He was speeding them edit it for --

I understand. I'm again I'm not defending Sebastian I don't agree with anything -- he had carried the gun. It's the same going to be his girlfriend and mrs. white now and then registered -- game. It was a chartered flights of an opportunity it's a little bit different -- like a commercial flight. We traveled with the team wide Sebastian Everett hasn't gone like players have to -- places what you need guns. You know I'm trying to encourage him to do that there's some that have listened in on this on the -- it. And we can debate all all belong where Sebastian as well about the white you'll like he Allen. Bat out but anyway he BP does Carey -- he needs to do it correctly he'd have a driver's license. And you know but I undecided at age 21 I'm not ready to throw Sebastien. Over cliff's been just and it's a big key at bat hit Sebastien comes to work every day he had trouble you're this year on the court. And yet he showed up -- date it is job he's worked hard he did everything in the weight room. The others that there's there are no issues with Sebastien -- in the --

Grown up or they will based on what we're prospects themselves -- he's not going to be here anyway. Next did you have a problem with that that the fact that -- was so without -- sent an email out so this is it.

No I mean which is -- is it that's his right and -- it was very troubled by the hole on things and be quick with the one who really wanted to step but not. He sent me an email that you don't step up discounting -- did not want my players do in this that Stephen Jackson doesn't meet. Which takes the beat the ownership that this team very seriously in the image of the team very seriously. And he was not happy with Sebastien and what happened at all especially after. You know I think quick and Sebastien on the on the on the case before happening New York the crystal ball Sebastien at that time. You know associate he's been over backwards Sebastien in now to -- at 11 Downey was very frustrated by the.

When you look back at the deal right now obviously did not get players you thought. In -- role of valuation thought you were going to get it wrong or market where where did you as you -- Not judge him properly.

Well I think this okay you know first of all there's there's an important to remember on -- date that we trade for Sebastien. There was another transactions that happened what was that transaction. The same day within hours of that of that trade for. We drafted we be traded to get the rights to run agent run out on the same day. But that's an indication that we weren't search certain whether Sebastien would be prejudiced point guard. And we said after that draft -- want to those guys will come up the winner. In in this situation that there's no way that will keep those both those guys long term the -- in on in the -- contract from saint time and so forth but there will be a winner and a loser. In that battle. Well you know the winner it would be you know after summer league and even exhibition games even though. Region on the in the little bit about publicly in exhibition games Sebastien was quietly played fantastic. And -- the team better to have some good things while we were running an offense that we called random. Which is the secondary opposite fast break push Sebastien has the ball in his hands that -- push in and where. We're running in the in this half our -- story in the spoke work. And really created temple at a much better rate than we did the rest of the year you know it's not it's not great her you are better players and so dot kind of abandoned at a -- Sebastien spot. So -- cease Sebastien as we steady Sebastian we knew he music that it needed the ball more renewed -- had. Had not played without the ball in his hands very much in his life. And we did not think Sebastien but the player that could come on the court bump the ball in two al Jefferson. And been ghost in the quarter chewed open three's that's not his game his status is game is creating in his game after the ball and do things well. We kind of abandoned that style place for the most part. And down.

So did you do you guys that both yourself and -- misjudged what style you could play with the rest of your roster. In in acquiring him that's --

No you know what I think it I think it happens is you know we want to play a certain style and -- wanted to play a certain style. But it until you implement it you don't know for sure that it was like he completely abandon -- you know the running game but he did abandon what we call the random. That's secondary -- that he went to a difference in the opposite was like our style completely changed we knew that our team was built. -- about -- Jefferson's hopefuls plate Paul Pierce that those were two main guys thought it was a spot up shooter remember that the -- it was another part of that we we still hope the week we beast from the very beginning we never said the -- want it was in the art. And you know but this was an opportunity for us to free up flexibility. Together another player to play the point our positions Sebastien. But I think that the 8 cap flexibility was it was a major major factor in making this transaction. And if we thought we were given away you know given up an opportunity to get. You know superstar in the week we wouldn't do it but we felt that the guys that were available that we like the lot west and Tony Allen you know in the same level of the guys that we -- drafted. The post positions. Let's get the point guard in the Indian -- cap space in which which turned out to be about 30 million dollar.

Any mention the word baggage and how much baggage are you willing to put up with with with a player -- doesn't all depend on that players. And and -- resembling that happens you know obviously the pitchers picked up Randy moss a superstar in the league but he comes with baggage. Are you willing to do something like that would you be willing to do something like that obviously did with Telfair I mean would you draw the line when it comes.

Well first ball let's not compare Sebastian Telfair -- the -- okay I mean there's a big big difference there. Operas all pretty much the better player and second ball he's had a lot more at this time in high school that are significantly greater. In level of crime in the Sebastian Telfair so those are two completely two different animals.

Would you if -- or -- Randy moss or player like Randy moss in the league. That comes with the baggage that comes with -- would you be willing to pick them up as the Boston don't want to wanting -- of that though is remember how it works in the film on guaranteed contracts you can bring the guys -- that's true reached its good points short dollars not guarantee. Danny takes a guy on he's locked in OK and let's say he -- an alcoholic problem right as. That was a player here today. He's guaranteed money is nothing you can do

I I was gonna say the same thing I think that the answer to that is the risk reward and you know I think the the patriots as I understand it I don't have all the details but -- They just don't have a lot of risk mean they're they're risk is basically -- round draft pick right. And they have a guy on incentive clauses he's got to be on his best behavior they haven't goods to build stable situation going on in. And so there's a great deal of of a reward. Sit there rating mosque that they can't get around -- not particular and also I think it's I think I would be very tempted by that as well but that with the same kind of risk reward.

You know it is different because of the guaranteed contract but I about this of the other day -- so -- a lot of people people forget about Rita Williams and others this is -- and then in the 80s but the personality of that team Danny. And that locker room was so solid great character it was already established and other that is similar to what the patriots have down there right now and -- reverse similar to what you guys that. With that the character or personality already said on that Celtics locker room as well back in the 80s.

Well you know it's funny because of the experience I had with ray Williams and we it's a bit -- and we finished Johnson was he in PP. Of that finals in the championship team with Seattle. And they traded him for aged injury prone in deep with Easter -- Paul Westphal. If they had -- made the all star team a couple of years in Phoenix and we got in for real roll beat. I -- I -- I don't think Rick Roby played five games for Phoenix after that we traded. I understand but it beat Dennis Johnson won two championships -- and and get a shot and you could see if Dennis -- best player. And if Dennis you know he's he's not old he he wasn't a leader in the sense of you know if -- can -- get out of the box of the very difficult to coach at times and you could see that's -- spot. You know like Randy moss it is came in -- eight circuit kind of dog is stuffed I think sometimes players get tired of you know being considered controversial time. Second of all he wasn't the man. In Boston he was another player laws -- he with the exactly like Randy Moscow in two I'm not I'm not compared rating mustn't get stopped lions it. But that they were both let's go for almost nothing circles. Yet the circumstances were similar and I loved the shots and that that was. Good friend of mine and he was on got to be around a lot I mean there were times he just said no I'm never passed the ball to Kevin again dog not -- the game no I mean there were times where.

At all he would get on the court and say I'm never pass the ball to Kevin again

8 with that there was there was it was at its their with their at a time when. -- more than one time there was many times where. You know Kevin would be in what we call camp in the black hole and so Kevin would have -- he'd be doubled or tripled teamed. And I'd go to Kevin -- Kevin. That's three guys guard you -- pass the ball -- say well that means I should get six point that it didn't but bill and that's. -- did at the NS would give Matt. And Dennis would go horrible half the basketball. And never pass the ball -- to the point where we call him now he's beat KC would say you know -- on Kevin on this -- can you take no. I'm not passing the ball any you'd pass attempt at I'm not patent all the rest the night.

I brought this up the other passes and hard and I haven't and I got soundly criticized for Bristol a little Dennis as an example maybe it's because he's no longer with a title like you just said we all love a DJ but -- there were some -- there. And it was it was kind of similar. In all on the on the court stuff and on the field stuff. In which he was a little disjointed from the rest of the team what Denny's is -- civil you know I -- I can't -- it but it can't be -- you put them -- a bad team. After after you know Phoenix and Seattle and you probably have that seem like here. With that with the Celtics and the strong personality. And that that was built up in that in the locker you don't have a chance to work within the framework and he became a player here.

Right in and by the way you know Dennis was. -- Larry says is the best player ever played with I don't dispute Betemit to -- all of think. Player and you know that would that would happen one day and then Dennis would apologize to -- they practice and then the next thing you know. In the next thing you know our team. It -- it's not -- happens for the next you know 20 games in the maybe some other little -- That's what's not like -- daily -- isolated incidents that happened that that capital lot of teams. Now days those things are probably headlines and -- present time about constantly -- the kind of went under the radar and we just kind of is clad in -- head and laughed about it the next day that's over quit but because we had. Larry Robert cabin. I mean we have to believe hall of famers on that team Dennis couldn't get too far at box.

I -- I remember game specifically in San Antonio. And Celtics had won there in the in a few games. In San Antonio did down early in the game maybe like 1618 by halftime early in the third quarter. And KC takes DJ out of the game and I forget who when informed but the team came back and won that game. In San Antonio but just didn't play much in the second half that affect at all that he played at all after may be midway or late in the third quarter. And when the game was over and everybody went inside that locker room. -- was he was -- it was growing it was not aptly. And I don't know whether you guys the players got so on that might have beaten. That the players whether they got to a -- not. The next day we heard I heard the exact same thing -- apologize to all the players it's a shame on me for a while but even at that point yet that attitude it was upset that it didn't work for him that night and sanitary. Even though it worked out great for the -- understand players haven't issues off the court. But when you bring that stuff on the court and saying I'm not pass into the I didn't know that took place with our --

That's like -- that that the famous one that everybody about Scottie Pippen you know gave all of that is that's about it for Toni Kukoc at in the game the beat. Those kind of things happen more than you guys have any idea that point. You know but but at the same type they're you know -- the order that feels that he's -- deal with them. Right they're just not that big Beatles you know they're just not and -- you know it's like. All the issues that are talked about about Manny Ramirez -- even not playing in the game to beat. Internally those things happen in they've they've become much more embellished and they get outside the locker room in the players that are dealing with the he -- we would have traded -- for anything at that time but his career in such a special player but. -- it would you're understandably. And it -- kind of take a look at it team you know post things happen and just like they do at home there's some kids that are just a little bit more emotional and temperamental and some guys that this Connecticut lapse which shrugged everything off in. It's no different.

I don't gonna ask you one more question before -- did you see this whole piece in the New York Times from the assistant professor at the from the Wharton school of business of the University of Pennsylvania. And a graduate student from Cornell is on the refs in which the study shows in front page of the times in the NBA has already shown their own a comeback with your own report which showed that black. Players are whistled or. Than white players by white officials and then. Vice versa course -- that the evidence that you using. Is -- now. On the number of fouls against a certain individual and whether they increase if the crew goes from. One white official to two wide official versus three white officials.

I don't you can do this study in much and the racial wise in our country in the world quarterly and it's. First -- I don't know how you can do it by looking at box scores and not knowing specifically which -- and the color of his skin. Made the call her that that specific call and second the ball. I have never ever in my time in the NBA you've been around longer than I -- in the NBA. -- a lawyer. Claim that they are calling a foul on me specifically because I have a different colors and and the guys who make --

Okay two -- first of all I think that that that that's studies popular little bit. I give it a little more credit than you do have a statistician worked in my office -- I think that there's more credibility and there are ways to do those kind of studies that you describe -- so I don't think this study is complete -- fraudulent or just made up off.

I'm not saying it's fraudulent but how can you do what based off of it's a scientific study how can you do the scientific study by simply looking at the box scores. And representing the color of the skin of the officials by whether there's one. White official two or --

Well over 13 years you can't you can't develop patterns but the issue is here the only thing that I know for sure. About officials is that bird and Jordan got all the call and oh they I don't know that it -- that have to be --

Lowell gets all the calls that -- to -- Our I don't I don't know -- to get out as the ball is on the line right.

the only guy I've I remember sit on the bench in Boston the first year it. And Diaw said -- actually gave me -- what -- get the calls and that you know at Larry biscuit like a couple of putts -- and and Cedric but it meant I had. At the -- given Larry called this.

It was -- about him that I'd not. What did you know if it was still white guys bird and right. I don't you know it wasn't Byrd who committed the filed even -- that no matter what all of the refereed you know what I thought this was --

They study the NBA's cannot now instead and they're not willing to furnish their their study because of the confidentiality with with the officials but they claim that they have been able. To go to every single really know exactly the color of the skin of the official with making that Paul and determined that it's much -- just. I think this is an -- can't believe it's an issue like almost like now that were handing out grants. And again I I picked clearly years is racial bias in this country. And with people crying out for -- that that there's there's racial lies clearly that warrants an investigation to find out how we can improve the situation. I haven't heard anybody bitch about this over the years.

All you are all I know is that I never got a call on me was about the matter what's a cock as they're called --

Well I listen it was great. Funny talk to you what we can actually you know talk about a lot of -- it loves me that it was the rent out the logic --

I guess I'd guess we can battered down now. I guess I am active I mean leader.

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