Chris McDougall talks born to run and barefoot running

These sub guest on the Dennis and Callahan program in the path -- fascinating guest and we assume will be yet again the book out was is and continues to be fascinating. It is called born to run the author is Chris -- up by way of analogy I think we can say that most people all the the father of our country is -- want to guess at this. The Ronald Reagan enough George Washington. The father of the constitution. Com's -- James Madison about the father of rocketry is a -- guy. The rock entry yes with rocket rocket gets its rockets go on up. Or rocketry you register Bob Cousy rough and and Robert Goddard. The father of rocketry. And we say Chris McDoogle as the father. A barefoot running is producing Chris is that too much of -- like that I mean you are I mean maybe other people did it before you do it certainly -- dead but the auto popularized it you made it you've made it. Mainstream how's that.

gallery to blow up barefoot Ted beat him in the the truth and others guys route that are in an enemy for all of -- You're what you're you're you're preaching the YouTube disciple. That that John the Baptist regional -- now we're we we were on this you're here before the book really took off yet we knew him before you elect -- born to run celebrity born to run. It's fascinating story we were talking about it touting it before you became it took -- because you guys get a -- able. I'm taken all the credit cycle to the break I want a teacher asks men and because we have turned this week you'll meet together you know. Have turned this into an international phenomenon is right how famous -- you know tell us like that we will I was asked this question like -- called -- He'll say he told me off it after we interview you said. Jack Nicholson came up to a minute basketball game and said I love you originally booked -- of the vessel that's good -- could sing operatic set -- you realize -- done. Company but Jack Nicholson -- to him and I think it was a Netscape and we're knicks games that you're the best -- that leap and me. That happening.

You just. Destroy any powerful story I could tell that it at the -- of the delegates say is it in a tiny little nerd world orchard owners this happens is just this past summer. I was in little Colorado for the little trail 100 and I was there with them a jewel and broke the law Peter Sarsgaard two actors. And there that researches the sport and -- Throughout the in the -- middle nowhere in cheek he's just look around things thank god it's so nice to be here people -- bugging me new paparazzi that was asked for autographs as he's on to these two people to a double. Grab a camera or woken up rolls -- so much for that. Walk up the hidden camera -- He yet he -- his ass off and kept and a Buick -- your -- you look at the picture over and over again. And that might -- went missing its -- soak up boy camp value leave that went down -- news.

If you are if you care to do it in for a new one that would absorb that is supposed to do you. Much broader respect and earth got a dialogue about the chickens we should come tell the story of the book because it's so fascinating at -- at the break. And it's the best compliment -- give a good nonfiction book is it's like fiction you read you go into this -- where I stopped doesn't doesn't set. He's making this up he's he's working for the New York Times he's the next Jayson Blair I mean he's making it up. Tell us how it began you know on the the of the Genesis of Clinton you know where --

There are two phases one was as I was actually going through it it was a nightmare -- and I get these did. These surfers thrown up in my bathtub before clock in the morning or before fifty mile race that's not fun. Afterwards -- write this book I was thinking. If you -- this up you'll never immaterial at this again the rest. Because he was this is our -- it it. Initially started with this tribe of Indians to the federal -- to begin in Mexico. And I see this picture what looks like some granddad and bath robes slippers running -- trail. And it -- won a 100 mile race and -- channels and look at the stated here they tell me to Boston Marathon the ultimate channel right. Deputies died at 226 of us were arrested banged out four marathons before dinner. And at age 55. How to do this stuff to begin new adventure on the -- It'll be holders a guy called the white horse is crazy ex professional fighter living down the canyons with the tribe -- uncle called yes -- that those of us who speak the lingo. And he was putting on this one of the kinda race between this loss reclusive tribe and his bizarre collection of American ultra runners including. -- Shelton the crazy ex surfer he's the air for Teddy drinks his own urine can -- all his wife and daughter you know does.

Yeah right yeah the network. Either way stricker a cutback at a news at five to -- because it was really fine they they had not been. Expose is up the right were discovered how they really mean. They've been living seclusion yes last 400 here right and the reason why is because you don't click decent or -- right to fight back right the mines and yet -- where you can -- well do you know find too many minds. Right hiding was the strategy. And the only times he ever really left and was back in the mid -- appear for the -- built trail 100. Kicked the crap out of everybody and then dispute backed him and -- never come factory.

Is that what they made him with a sneak -- them to -- yeah yeah and that they would on the from noise went back tonight -- on the get the first aid station policy sneakers but understand -- zoomed all the way in. So the final race you can can you still can't give it away like little or no now the whole thing is. And beyond and beyond belief where you take a give you credit human. Others in the best Alterman are comments from the civilized world now and -- the Indians. That's which we brought them it's that when they got word this race you know torture runners are out there in the wild nobody knows who -- there's no prize money -- cares who these guys are all about and I think guys -- men and women are some of the women are unbelievably tough. But they're -- you've given up on you venture and they are often are. And this was funky music gets. It's true they deem kind -- was not invited because he's a self promoter. And it admit it. No indications but he didn't seem to take up on what.

Would be advantage would be of these guys who were sort of home schooled home taught. Organically find themselves in this running you know under -- a place barefoot nearly bare foot sandals rock strewn. Canyons. Vs these guys who train the best nutrition probably have sports psychologist massage people the best foot where money can buy. How how how -- how those two come.

Eight is that something else yes and what I couldn't figure out is exactly that question how write these guys have nothing yet they're kicking a tar out of correctly the reason why he's because. Too often we try to let technology -- technique these guys have new technology it's all about technique and that's worth it be off the rails we try to rely on issues in the garment in the iPods and and massages. These guys are trying to be short circuit that is -- street to do right. You told us last enemies and we could step outside the studio in our street clothes and do fifty miles -- bodies are capable of that. I went through I was at the University of Birmingham England whose new book and researching. And this guy does a body fat test on the music okay with -- nobody -- you had you can right now right now literally run. 15100. Miles without food which elevated and content that's good news or bad news here to -- floor exactly without heeding riady. So -- your eyes your bodies are so loaded up with all the nutrition we just don't use. It how Scott juror record your company says Jerker you can't hurt her the best ultra marathon in America. He's the he might be the best of all time discussed all time doesn't eat any meat no cheese no. Eggs in the nation and even even -- screen you know I see the burger you know come on did not want to buy that the but to see this guy he's like you know muscled and fully flash and he -- just -- these people insane completely random. My thoughts of going into this and either I'm going over to the dark side with them or else maybe each troop I think that there are unbelievably -- the reason why is. In a ticket animal outage on Wednesday in -- do you know what -- to -- eating disorders sexual dysfunction don't reproduce their mood swings the -- like like the rest of us. Needed -- back in the jungle happening sort chill out and help the age wrong these ultra runners on the mountains in -- what I thought to -- hall lights skillet tours. There's some good -- people like. Agendas that that the in the character people like the best I think in the movie will be -- and the crazy called girls went 21. She was turned them or anyone -- time. And she and her boyfriend get as drunk as the Indians have left before they around edit -- with -- the unions. In the drink and fast. Yet she shares up and she's an absolute knockout and drinks -- face off in yet you know when when time for -- Glaus and she can keep all. What statistically or even.

Some anecdotally makes Jerker the gather you as you said maybe the best -- I mean does he run. Voluminous amounts of mileage every day is it just when the race comes up what what what does he do and and what's of the accomplished that make you say that.

You know that's also question I've price spent five years from figured out yet what -- thing about this guy is. It's such as he's an amazing runner on -- deemed into the western states 100 it's you know Super Bowl culturally in eight years around this guy turns up. It's about nothing goes wrong who's gonna win it eight years in a room out there by yourself for her -- in the what you think you know surely snap yet he pulled groin. How this guy can be super ready. Eight times gross unbelievable and I think the reason why is -- desktop I don't think he gets all tent and you're right I think he does in this could -- a -- doesn't matter that much to him. It only matters in the sense of he loves it and this is his chance right -- the most and he gets a belt buckle. And he helped raise it if it with bell of bell in probably has wanna does he need into that at and same Bill Buckley guy gets in last place so. The same seen enough -- from winning that the Annie hangs out at the finish Lazio thing to uniting this guy and a lot of times it's always seem dishonest LA this past Sunday -- fund run. --

Swelling in the marathon than -- stick and I -- an autograph from on the -- like that we're talking with Chris -- author of born to run how has it become mainstream the last year since last week talked in terms of or I don't know shoe companies other sports getting involved is not just people. Running barefoot or nearly bare foot just -- run marathons and ultra.

These issues has really been a revolution. At first all the shoe companies re saying nothing of putting this down and indeed he has turned on a dime in and year every major shoe companies in whole barrage. Of minimalist or barefoot style shoes coming when you were saying and -- the Kyra -- And did you drinks on the domain brew -- I drank the stuff they call him partly -- I'm I'm gagging to think about it for a it's collection years in the first company in new judges this stuff was under her seemingly decent comic routine. -- It was eighty rattles the ninja and -- Chinese and rattlesnake corpse in this stuff. A little bite -- it you -- I'm still hung over so it's at the runs from the and they drank a and and paso public on the ground and then they get up lace up the sandals and 100 miles. Here's the cool thing about their customs of the title Monday at new crime new warfare and suicide you know socially these guys have got wired. And I think the reason why because every once in awhile they'll have -- drinks that where the Disco. Your dvds that it'll ask you -- grudge -- Sicilian what will carry -- literally for fifty years. Get it out one night pops up and in -- in the face and go with it and they blamed on the pros and it's over -- don't always race -- they just run out. And when you run to its -- all of -- which -- line of some fires a gun it's Everyman from self. -- running teams is always a sense of he Morton camaraderie and when their kids. On recess and twenty miles like middle of the day in the go back to school is pretty -- my first experience one apartment watching them run. Watching these kids comport out of school system like -- smoke I was known in the bathroom these guys were -- in the boards consolidated if at all. We play kick ball when I was a kid recess -- play in. Bombardment. These kids run twenty miles yeah that's this -- for for people are familiar with.

A barefoot running -- what is the ergo. Not make principles that makes it a viable thing and when you think about running in New England running in weather running on. Uneven roads gravel rose barefoot doesn't come to mind ergonomically wide does.

Makes sense well. -- I was at a medical school and it's a medical resident was asked if the scientific evidence behind -- for -- hello we have running shoes he said thirty years how long we had -- It's all about this is your body is equipped with so much shock absorption not only do your knees and legs and ankles compress -- dignity to a squat that's like three for the compression right there and inside your life your legs like golf balls -- his full of these elastic and it's all there to absorb and also. To return impact back to the ground so. -- when you land on your heels with the late street -- you know people don't running right after breaking. And your bare foot. Your footage right underneath you can bounce and you basically to spring back in the year a portion if you want the difficulty is you're just -- one degree separation between you. And and the best posture principal. Do you do you like pain. -- NASA's writes about the magic of misery you know I think I think. Pain is there for reader -- is there to tell you don't do defamed as did the infield when you run a hundred miles you're not in -- and after fifty or sixty or eighty. No you are getting tired and your -- food -- feeling pain that your body's way of telling you this is a mistake.

Does does running barefoot immediately changer technique you said when you have the -- on your let you know your latest straight your your your your latest if you're planning on your -- hoping that the the -- was going to absorb the shock right. When you take a shoe off you just somehow magically run different.

Late it's well it's the same can imagine if I climb up on the table right now jump off right idol. Known as -- tell me how to land you gonna land on your fourth infantry knees right balance yourself -- happens in their front running you immediately. Start to reduce the show your instinct is. This is gonna hurt and reduce the shock basketball's considering this is a funny ESP and recently did couple stories looking at he'll strike in the has great pitcher -- slamming down at heel yeah. With the -- guys. Big bodies are hoping open them court landing on their heels thousand times in night. And they. Speculate that this is leading to a lot of injuries may be -- should take your shoes off for the play. What do you think Shaq just bought forty -- he's even five fingers -- do especially like last year outside wherever 35 foot he is now he's a big -- veto real I figured you know when he there. Repair slightly but those cars -- like 16 in the time now today does he plan on using them in but during basketball. He doubted you know a lot of NFL players doing this is well in the offseason important conditioning they're also going barefoot. And the reason why because you know lateral movements you wanna make sure there's ankles -- Are really fired up and operate probably thinking and vote. At the 5067. Mile marker 100 mile race. Yeah I'd have done on Morris added fifty mares in the first 46 we're fantastic. You know the last 44 not so much so. And I think. The best of it ever got was winning -- relax you can't mostly your weight. You've got to just chill out relax and collide. And it's pretty -- right -- I didn't fit in Mallory and -- was when he got tough I just backed off and trilateral and you finished last -- I was finished first like what six hours out of first place that's six hours minded jury of these dudes could have laughed me because the real fifty mile it's still. And as they waited for your right now and waited for the Indians well you know let's lesbians are a ton of -- at the finish -- who was like there's any place better to be -- the movies be in May and right now. Who's going to be who's going to be yen check don't know who and the interest you know and -- there's Jake Gyllenhaal it in the movie are just considering it. You know they're around even now when a little bit under wraps for now but he's involved and mature in what sense -- rotated in and little is dude. He's been unbelievable shape when we're at this mountain hope pants and disguised as police -- into to Peter Sarsgaard. You -- trailers near my house and just drop me at mile three universal -- real. So that the Indians will just be the same as and the apocalypse though for Mel Gibson that's very bring about the at the sag cards already known him in their talk about. We -- the what they could Peters are there's heading down -- I think actually this week and his plan is hopefully to use the actual battle not a runners in in the movie ball they'll screw it up -- incredible if they don't screw up your story your book. --

After she got a big -- the marathon weekend coming up an event today into tomorrow's RA -- and it is called -- does not literally naked you to make it from like the ankles down volume -- people in the seats now okay they weren't gonna say hey if -- could be elected I'll drop what I events. We're doing. Were calling making cabaret tonight and tomorrow what does that mean and the cabaret is jazz singing show today he's that we as -- that bullet into we have an ironman triathletes who takes a passage from the book by a block his speech before the race. It's gonna iron Brandon is retirement -- and also opera tenor and he sings his -- from the and it goes from cabaret -- captains of the weirdest people takes up a good thing and it's a good thing is compile all Michael around. He is not I think he's in Mexico this moment with with Peter Sarsgaard. But it is wiser -- him out he's -- as -- run around back debate tomorrow afternoon that's right smart people invited. Absolutely sure noon at what the possible by burning in Boston public Lazazzera and just let the -- at noon tomorrow again and then there's going to be another cabaret at 2 o'clock when you finish the -- yet an average of isn't letting people who were in the book command speak for themselves -- not -- doctor Lieberman -- it's not there in and do their thing. What's -- for the -- run. You know.

He he says is too. The record yeah well he has between these two -- he said the 24 hour record last year he's like pushing forty and I -- that 200 and forty some miles in the sickest thing is the -- and asked -- to 24 hours on the treadmill. When he Forster and I was in I was like on the balcony in them I think he -- 48. Accused in street Louis on attract. Twenty minutes on a treadmill committees so painfully well. Mexico. If that apple didn't do due to a fifty. Just eat on the run -- That you get to stop and take -- was in the woods who only do these guys are expert at wisdom around we do you turnaround backwards and you sort of back panel -- karaoke and I kind of sidestepping a a a a -- a -- her -- and stuff was the -- these are people just texted you Chris and I get a five -- had to stop twice to smoke effect.

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The book if you haven't ready yet as the mustard is called born to run you heard all the -- runs in the -- race in and around Boston today tomorrow today tonight and tomorrow. Chris McDougal Greg catching up with began continued success with the -- running things -- guys -- Dennis and -- will be right back.