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Should every Thursday at this time we talk with John mccallum of the Providence journal and espn.com Sean has brought -- you by auto trader dot com and per -- on gold star boulevard in western out. Quickly I guess by contract that means if like a -- past you in the hall after we're done here I can't even say melody erratic and only talked you during this time.

I have no obligation to do want to -- out like this window.

And from -- out you are my tail lights. Yeah pretty emotional about this our last two.

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Pay out I don't know if you heard the final appearance of the year earlier today when Jerry Remy was on with with John and Jerry but. There was an interesting little segment it's about a minute long John -- apply yet even if you did here at some of our listeners may not have and then get your reaction to it because John and Jerry this morning. Asked Jerry Remy about the future or Red Sox future I should say left fielder Manny Ramirez.

I really think after this last episode that the got a credible he's you know he is said he wants be tried it again. I have my understanding is he's given -- the teams that he would go through and the question is can they match up and and and then the bottom line is that the animal many you know -- how many years will he say yes yeah these.

He has -- album he's given them a list of teams. That's that's a recent development.

Yeah I think you give an herbalist -- that he would go to but that means nothing I think it's a double digits.

Really while they could find someone.

They could find anybody they want but the fact is you don't say no his right -- at home Miami a month from -- they had no mind. You know and then they could make a deal as a -- in connection because he's satisfied that so you know I don't know what to expect but I I do think there is -- I'd been I really do think there's a groundswell to move. And from from the manager of two some people in the clubhouse for the front office I think they've gotten past the point of. You know we we. You know will put up with this stuff you know because of the money I think they've made even willing to eat some of the money you know that's just -- mine but I think there is a groundswell not to move -- because last month month and a half there's really that a lot of people up. And according to what I hear he's given them molested he that you will -- to but again I as they said knowing any -- not knowing many but dealing with these. He's liable a goal of Miami in three weeks say I'm not going anywhere

I have to admit I have heard some of that stuff you may have show on in in your capacity your thoughts on much what Jerry Remy said today.

Yes I would agree with Jerry I think you're going to be an effort made to move them and I think it's going to be terribly quickly I think one of the things that they've learned last year was that the longer this goes into the off season the more chuckles o'clock local in a lot of help reduce trying to do remember you know that the whole -- and situation coming to a head into our that the winter meetings. They had so many although Indy Jarrett one time it became difficult to know. You know. What to focus on interstate learn anything last year it's that the quicker this gets done the better cannot give you a perfect example remember they were talking to the -- throughout the course of the World Series last year about a deal from daddy. Because the map to realize that they needed to coconut back to -- to the Carolina. And the -- rocket -- the crowd in a lasting village they had talked about -- Jewish groups they had talked about Eric I'll bring a package of god put the maps willing to give up. And then you remember Greg Ganske sort of. -- those -- spike coming out right now. Of course if -- or betray then we're going to need to get something in retiring here worked and five after all and -- not just going to go anywhere so before the Mets get too deep benefits they should know -- what are going to require at least 100 not both those auctioneers get picked up. Well within about three days Carlos Delgado was a member of the map Mike Jacobs and some other minor leaguers were on their way to Marlins the Mets had their run produced -- are at a door forget your -- have been closed. Well public like cigarettes I learned a lot in Europe. That are going to be done quickly its quality the dark because otherwise it seemed you do if you're in the market for you know -- security commitments eight. We can at one big you know we can make one big picture the payroll -- that it'll -- number of -- I'm -- DPP start making other moves then it preclude you from making a deal the magnitude of blight of of many. So I think that it will move would probably ever I think they're going to try to get something done pretty quickly.

understand Manny doesn't talk to the media and I understand the home daddy being any thing that's been going off for a long time. What I don't understand is why is he so eager to get out attack.

Well I am category on hearsay Michael because as -- court reported out like many does not always India -- about. Are directly but you do to Europe from teammates he'd do your members of the organization. I think what he has communicated is that he wants to go somewhere where they -- leave him alone. Now whether it acts directed at the media directed -- the -- directed at the end you know we heard that he had a difficult time last year. Coping with is celebrity in Boston that he couldn't go out to eat that is why people upbeat although it walked out Newbury street without being all the hurt eat eat eat clearly feels that this stupidity suffocating -- from eight and immediate import like Aspen and would rather go someplace where. He would not so much a part of the spotlight.

Given all of those things sin and given what Jerry said in what you've heard and what you just said. What's a realistic expectation of what she can get back in return army talk and 40 cents on the dollar here.

I don't think it's about oil and likely -- some -- I didn't do what Jerry referenced with deep with a willingness to take some money back I think if you go out and today he you know will will move Manny Ramirez the bureau responsible for. And let's -- around number is 40 million dollars to connect. -- it not quite because there's the support payments that bring up money Gumbel look cute as a round number essentially 20 million dollar obligation to the next two years he preached in the next two years. Then that -- was going to -- you know if that's the second biggest contract in baseball you know World War you know what did you a couple of -- certain to beat somebody else reported a net roster if if direct -- eight. It takes 30 of the 40 million other words -- subsidized art million -- Point 5% -- each of the next few years and it becomes a sliding scale OK I want now we can give you a little bit more return because we're not taken a big ticket I did complete. Well our payroll so he gets a matter of the Red -- willingness to take. Of the -- not a commodity and the more they take the more they get back and that's equation that they have to figure out if it is that worked too. Takes some of the multi year and get a better that are rich or personal outlook or do we just wanted to. Get this 40 million off the books and products and apply that the free agent market war you know taking a big salary act in another -- the capital quiet about that the decision -- it happened I think Jerry correct. They were willing at the trait that buying into doubt that in five to take 20 to 25% back then my guess is that that in the right deal they would do you know.

Would you be surprised. If there are talks going on right now between the Red Sox and other teams

he wouldn't surprise me if they were at least. Making some phone calls and letting people know or acting. Eight if it is something UPS truck then can we -- you know there are funny that the World Series due to be the -- where a lot of groundwork -- even -- you. You talk to seen well what is going to be looking for my EPA -- that employer hey if we put on the market you don't get that has marched so my guess is that they'll be on call Nate throughout October into November and that there's the general managers meeting which like 14 to have a beat up November Naples Florida could be a place where a deal gets done ordinarily that's where a lot of the ground work -- that and then you pick things up but the -- meeting. By being told that they intend to move quickly I think they'll make phone calls in it that the patient -- the GM needing. And perhaps try to get something done.

John let's talk about a departure or a potential departure in a different department. I say 20032004 Ron Jackson papa Jack was on top of his game in 2006 and you -- about this there -- some rumblings that he doesn't help guys out enough and that technically when they need to repair their swings. He's not there for him what is his future with the Red --

you are much up in the air and I think we sit down and connect the dot and reached between the law in Europe the fact that they're bringing the art coaching staff in on Monday and current owner at that. You know I think we owe it to be guides if we're going to make changes to let them know or witty so that they can then positioned himself get hired elsewhere it certainly is an indication to me that changes are going to be a I think that the team is aware of it that's action and and not from a personal standpoint I think -- got -- probably at some dealing with. We've -- back then -- the -- as personable and Bob Lee at positive personality if you -- Fine but he looked back 2005 where the manager belt and eat too boring in -- to god -- are looked at video break down from swing. That clear what an indication that they thought some of that black part of pop but Jack. At that do you know there are still some guys eight. You know nice guy he always bear but not a lot of help that the -- And the fact that there are the people on Monday out of respect into -- we make some changes I think what opens you know it is not a big jump in order.

We were talking earlier about Pedro Martinez and one of Michael's favorite sources ever the Elias sports bureau has Kamal numbers on Pedro the Mets are 28 and 26 in the 54 games Pedro started they were 11 and 12 in the games he started this year he's -- for with a 15 point 4:3 ERA in his last four starts. We all thought that he'd be great for the Mets at least to start and then kind of -- office the contract went on the appeal the -- Op is starting a little sooner than we thought maybe.

Yeah I didn't and you know -- as good as those and telling it those numbers alive like these -- I think durable government leading last year you remember that there were a lot of satan AT -- doesn't gains. That Pedro left put the lead in the bullpen blew forum and that's why they went out and eight so much money to land Billy -- their -- upbeat and because if -- break -- you mean that they can't people just not -- You know in the ball and present in the late getting up skeptical are secure in real prove an effect the vote -- but it out of money. And Billy Wagner -- to change that so last year I think Pedro won lost record in in deep the team won lost record in game started. What would lead to keep its better that is on March record indicated this year he has an eight three trips to the DL for bunch of different element. -- problem in the -- problem it's spring training yet been at eight hip problem and -- out problem. -- not pitched very well particularly after a couple of months this year and I think that is exactly. What the -- have some concern about in giving a multiyear deal acre but he you know initially they were speeding ticket to guarantee years. Under some arrests because the -- jumped in and pop and he they were reluctant willing to go to three what it was before they didn't have to think very long and hard about it. And I think you know that's precisely what they were worried about. That is expected want to decline. I think you're right most people anticipated it would be really good for two years start to go down on the third and be a real adventure physically. And interpret wearing down in the or it does look like that declined that started earlier that he'd been able.

Speaking of declining effectiveness let's talk about Josh Beckett. On the positive side 16 -- a career high 200 innings pitcher over to -- innings pitched a career high on the negative side we can go on and on our nation on are you puzzled by this guy and the seasoning add.

Sure I mean and and locks are eight to mete -- start encapsulate it are you know that was a microcosm of Josh Beckett. He gives a two run homer in the first -- two Norton and they all be fine barring it from innings two through sit. And really kind of goes -- lineup without too much difficulty. And then inexplicably in the depending lose it again and it was up to more wrong nominee George -- descending in which they scored on Ron it was our -- them. Armed and you know book ended by a couple of home runs one of the first on all -- last batter which incredibly. Was the only way that Josh Beckett was going to get out editing in ER AO five for the season and it happened somebody who's doing the -- the private figuring out but it jury it was four point 88 that the and and I'd do you know applying rout out later well you'll regret over here he goes you know -- are all why are now -- Monster seats and knocked out -- these net. And you know that's sort of ever set a Mark to market -- brilliant at times maddeningly ineffective at times susceptible to giving up a home run at the worst possible moment you know. Looking inning to troops -- exactly what the -- aren't in the give up what they did or him and then then in three year -- in July. You -- the bits and pieces that. That make you encouraged to think okay this is the front line starter they thought they were getting there 90 -- inning like that depending where you this is why eight you know despite plenty of run support everything -- may have won 17 games. But in front line -- summit -- by ERA in the air forces know so. Era are some things to -- garden. -- talk about them also eaten on you know walk as many guys. You've got to argue separation of the changeup he's going to be able to grow its breaking ball for strike more consistently and he's going to drop the macho attitude rear back and try to throw it 98. The party get in trouble I think he did. Beat a lot of those -- better in the last two months. But there're still -- stop the work.

Final Daylon holly show appearance today final baseball show appearance this weekend you -- start winding what Monday Tuesday when when --

We cannot wait that long governing you know we -- start winding. Before that you know.

Do we do we actually know who's going to show up with you -- guns and so I mean if we find out whether Mike Adams got a better offer for the -- and.

You know that might -- already out being you know what -- he can land rather then. You know be responsible for obligations so I can't get -- but you know if you're looking at a -- your tail.

that he's not going to be here.

We have didn't we have the second post you know pocket I make sure everyone gets fired at the end of the year anyway.

Pretty much spot but you know Dickerson was back this past week. Are -- it out of the realm possibility that want to Europe you're going back to a couple of your partners that may be calm. One -- new -- dropped by around.

With the that's possible but too little at the two goal the other though it's been -- no not at all.

I tell you what's on seriously you did a great job this year we really appreciated have you every week at all think I'm sorry about John is that you never got to wedding gift I can tell you this -- average in charge up -- Then after that I don't know what happened.

They might explain if you think Michael

that's she said hey I've got it. Michael I'll take care of it and then you still haven't seen it happy

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at the time we'll talk is Sen.

I have a good time this year enjoyed it -- or to -- a week then -- party in an April.

Thank -- will see Eleanor. John the data brought -- by auto trader dot com and -- sees on gold star boulevard in what's there