Wed, 11 Aug 2010|
The Big Show talks about ESPN's televised coverage of the Little League World Series and wonders if these pre-teens are being exploited for ratings.
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You you have to admit some -- these games that that's a funny and you get kids that look like -- running indicated that look like yes kids. I mean I was coach and with kitchen when you want to -- you go out have fun play the games I agree while all the games and I was gonna I had a front of the competition. I don't the problem with the winners and losers. I have a problem that we sit here and we we explain -- glad that we there is the aspect is correct that what we you weighed one. My little cubs lethal cubs prepared for all year with the -- will be -- team did for a you know a month after the season. Was very different from this once you get television involved when to well reporters -- when I when I was just Kenseth and they have the Iowa that's apps. What I would just -- people watching them life's changed -- with -- kids that as they became adults about this.
I just got an email on this this morning and newspapers you were in newspapers get these all the time. You get an email letter or phone call from the president to coach -- available on local eventually. What to do a story on their upcoming tournament All-Star game whatever they always say the same thing he's -- when -- this morning. These kids it worked really hard this year in the deserves a resident -- has now to which I say. They've got they worked really hard to playing baseball that's what they're getting out of answer. They don't need the recognition see that it now -- baseball if it out like like. Feeding the poor cleaning up the street. With a -- etc. they deserve recognition. Yet but when they're out there playing baseball god bless them they should play baseball into the battery life and they have to go to work era. For every kid in in every week in the 72 in the -- and a man. Is a different agenda for every -- can supplement I -- call it's -- really high school stopping someone wanna have a problem some I just wanna have the social experience and I try and I think most coaches try to understand that. Everybody's here for different reasons Thomas brothel like I don't like that's normal what are the what is that I don't think -- I just what is holding me I have ever heard.
Mike Milbury -- in on the demise. A high school hockey in Massachusetts. That used hockey has is got to the point where these kids playing a 13540. Games a year. And Bilbray who knows a lot more about the stuff that dollar Renault. Is big on saying this is crazy kids equating hockey because -- burn down hockey with the should be doing is is playing hockey in the fall the winner. Baseball on the spraying basketball all different sports or different food groups melded into one pot but when you have kids play one sport. And the old days in a -- that -- day of the running back on the border what does that on the football team was -- shooting guard the basketball team. That he was the pitcher on the baseball team in the spring of the grease board aptly. But now you've got kids. I think kids playing 95200. Baseball games a year.
They are -- there's a couple dynamics it was like this if you can. -- I was like a scandal -- there's nothing I am a simple test that because like you're cute so that currently there are some kids' abilities at some kids pull the record when they realize that okay I'm not as good as these other kids -- their plane he when their plane -- around them and pull the -- good on -- was what other kids who specialize. Because they quickly realize that okay false locker wasn't enough I have to play into it too because -- I have to go to the skills soccer -- NAFTA whispering travel soccer. If I don't the other kids aren't and I really like that's what it's peer pressure the cause to suspect who was nation. As oppose the Paris parents play a -- year old a statement. I thought -- I I would know better than me by a large parents have their kids best interest at heart although you're gonna find a large swath of people out there are still. Who are under the impression their kids from Massachusetts is gonna play. At the University of North Carolina baseball and I'd love to see the last concluded that his two years ago that Mike it would do is reconfiguring its expectations. At the moment and it happens and it's good it's -- to learn that holy crap to secure from California it's. 334 home runs with a would -- bad.
I don't wanna I wanna get to a busy blocking blood that we that we of the debris and I remember how this works take a break you get that red -- it's -- If we don't. You know that occur at some activities. -- I liked it. If if we don't take breaks that the refusal to you don't anyway -- we're going to pick you and sometimes we don't pay it anyway so. That's -- fact. You like those kids they don't get basic. These deep shelf on right about -- pizza just extent can you -- me the address of the dragon sweatshops likened by some dresses for my wife. That's -- a phone calls that six point seven sevenths. 0850 toll free 88852508. At the -- Verizon -- every -- pound WE yeah I address this. But it will cap there in the 1962 it's. You look like -- the next to a neighbor Mike in 1960 sitcom 1960 short while with the team simply -- yet doesn't yet. You showers insist that. Not yet onions and now. That's had its oil Sharon yesterday changed. Leisure. Communities is good for to break. That book is that merely challenging you on what you -- You know what can we are generally GQ -- full affliction -- You know clock just. Dresses are never good team in street clothes to reference that I did like I let's get the -- on the way you. Very -- Marky Mark mark of alien -- Let's get a phone calls through the pixels kicking off with Christian who wins or Connecticut hello Chris.
They -- all. There are other cold air the bigger the Little League in the exposure and it was it an arc and spot. With the exception. Maybe eight or nine years of age. Truly what the difference. Between the College Board.
Only way to start -- that is not a where there are a lot of people -- the athletes themselves the the student athletes who feel that they're. Being exploited I mean that's been an argument that's gone on now for the last. You know forty or fifty years. And we know of some programs that have given kids you know Mercedes oh excuse -- student athletes is the ambassador I don't know what they what they call those people the the -- the people would. The not trust these roosters most thank you thank you the boosters give the Mercedes the school would never do something about well. But that's a legitimate argument that's been an argument now that we have waged for the last fifty years or whether they should be paid despite that now the argument by the colleges. We give them something. We give them a college education you could argue that eliminate one. Well if you could argue that most of you don't go to class or don't for Phil and get that degree. But at least to give them do you think -- the players giving -- opportunity of -- 1000 dollar expansion. You think the players can't -- that Jerry Tarkanian UNLV. -- walk up to that to him and say I can't make practicing and history test more. Well Michael and answer. Well -- in some schools I think it's a little differently in Boston College Notre Dame. They would deal with a little bit different city neighborhood knew that they -- they want with a different -- for schools he pollen they would they would have that professor university do we not a lot of schools universe -- agenda -- Don't wanna do that generalists like. Basketball and football factories out there that that aren't gonna take those -- precautions you can scream when Bob Huggins West Virginia team with Cincinnati team is in the Final Four. And the absolute farce that that team is I think we did with I don't -- I -- we have talked about that Glen what's on the situation that we talked about better on a regular what could not terrorism donation I don't think your kids that call.
Already -- you called on -- only problem I am right now with with with these little kids. Is that they're not getting. You -- it comes out and I wouldn't -- it's not a it's not about just that the -- a 200000 dollar educate all these can target their -- you think you're taking a 1011 -- York it's not about what you -- you're putting them on TV without their permission you are exploiting them with their permission -- look at pesticide -- on every single team. Not signing waivers and a parent guardian does -- That that's -- honey that's important. And Alec Stewart sales hit a little hard to stay home and missed call it were that Little League World Series because we don't watch on television like pretty strikers --
The debate about yeah lighter than an hour. -- freshmen are still technically are minors although lot of those I think let them go.
I the idea that -- these student athletes have been arguing that point. For years that's been that's a legitimate. Argument -- so you might think so I agree with our -- that I would I would agree with you that they have. A legitimate argument. That it that did that you could say that they're being exploited with the money that's being made of some of these big college international.
You can't extrapolate on that and say okay where was the QB could be included people look you can make those -- gotta gotta gotta. But you can bet on that Armstrong and he would probably talk there it's easier but you're talking about -- finding our members don't all you know what. You know what --
Rooted in the eighth -- had no problem with the 8910 where it's really 101112 year old kids mostly eleventh twelfth. War on TV you'll gonna you know crime and -- you don't have a problem that no.
Hamas and -- about it particularly. The schools that networks that -- let -- make -- millions in real life you're gonna get compensated well I let -- news.
Here's a greater -- which is a greater case of exportation -- these kids helping ESPN have August programming that would otherwise be dry or NASA an in this case. And maybe make it's -- money off the ads or a college making money -- weeks quote unquote student athlete. By selling you know that that players Jersey's Chris -- used to complain about. Who's making more money out off of their exploit to -- totally agree this is why have a bigger problem with that kind of okay -- here's why it kind of you can come back in Missouri running issue.
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had the biggest problem is about going to stop me than. That the college kids were talking in the last caller was was correct we might have a minor cure their bottom hole every eighteen years and remember account under eighteen years and yeah.
Right now but I'm watching right now okay every week. Okay they haven't reached puberty yet.
I think that's what I liquid I -- just he's gonna cry. Out for my priorities crime wouldn't that -- installed and about flying. Straight. Kids crying and it -- you'll say now this foundation and -- hello Jason.
They got it on RG a L a it's a little about -- a lot about you all about plane. -- in here -- cartel. Idea at all or that I think it's like. Whatever sport -- the sport that's why. I'll put out by it. -- finest -- daylight. Oh you know you'd go away that you're gonna roll or -- or. I played equally and the play more than get it out and bought you're into.
Okay. Right okay with. Right now now again I'm I'm inheriting words it misspoke but Mike Milbury and I listen and talk about this on us and last winter. And and a buddy made a lot of sense when he said the problem is. And maybe or. In a week group of athletes who gonna rise to the top and move on maybe that's the right way to go that's a tiny tiny tiny and -- national point that Mike -- make percentage we get so you get these travel teams. At that played all these different tournaments and they played more than a 150 gained some ungodly number games I don't of the exact figure. But nobody's concern. This is what he points to as. Why high school hockey Massachusetts has fallen off in in the view of many not -- I don't have that because I don't have the knowledge. But -- contention is -- high school -- fallen off the Massachusetts because kids get beat 1415 years old and they have burned down on hockey and they quit. It. So so I can't speak intelligently on that because I'm not going these games on a scholar I can see who's good in the corners and was -- better shot. This is what what they are all things.
I mean I think it's good that apple travel I think I think in over. You know and accept -- out of it is too much I think that -- to a certain point -- they don't get ready and I think it.
I think that there I think that playing games a year round regardless of the sport. And basketball is he's won the -- and it does this as well. Playing games -- around can be detrimental. But I think -- fuels. Filming is not -- now -- you don't February typical of the cages in February with with your little baseball didn't -- clintons were due in April it depends you were talking about certainly every kid has a different agenda depends what is jaundiced. Kid wants to excel and one's sport is the -- elements that you -- we gonna be able to do it especially when you're talking about the outdoor sports. The deal -- we gonna be able to do it in the -- of the country is to be able to find a way to play and you Iraq indoor baseball facilities acute poisoning in baseball facility on the -- That's the way you do it because you can't compete the kids in Florida and -- pointed a plane you know it and now and to be. And I think a lot of coaches again US specialists coaches were -- And he wants to succeed you think that he has some seeds of ability. You wanna give him every opportunity to to find fulfillment and that's sport. And other people are gonna ratcheted up a lot higher than your prepared to. They're probably you have to decide am I gonna put this -- mattress there aren't there couple of people -- text in yen and brought up the Olympics that means exactly -- athletes and speed skater who knows that they're making Michigan they're making a fortune. Those those those athletes right now it's not like you won fourteen I it was a thirty years shells from Romania they're getting branding for the error for their image it's it's a whole different world -- you can't bring some pieces of these girls who can't Olympics is much different like these girls who could -- have have a period because they are spending so much time in the GM. And fifteen and sixteen years old they just to have.
On the real gymnast or don't young kids in Jeddah on exploitation that's expletive up when they moved the kids out of the house. And they movement that bella in in Houston that's expletive capsule it went on to which ports on the whole albeit -- at the Olympics the television. Of the Olympic Games. Most of those athletes. Are doing it's not Little League they're adults most of -- and most of us. I just brought the -- I agree with you which DiCaprio and what is -- these got a problem. That's an issue to I don't like that you like the Mike that. So -- that it's okay to televise a little link happy what -- says it's -- this isn't a great machine. It will watching at work here while boot the Olympics is a great machine while you -- baseball's got to begin. You played you played the same thing Mike. I told you want yeah I think what -- guy -- watched this this weekend to see how slick stuff you're gonna have twice as many cameras. On a Little League broadcast has declared a Major League Baseball brought -- It was -- represented above the machine Weis is and everybody again real they said every kid can have its own experience his own experience from a every minute it was mamet couldn't get a hotel room this weekend after the break it down.
These extra ever ask a question isn't Little League Baseball at an international group. Yes by Madeira has got a -- recorded in Williams port correct -- has put a warning went right. A site that goes on -- with rule if you REIT Brookline Little League you've paid a certain amount of money a year nominal -- When you have to pay -- Okay. So all so. Climb estimate Ali hopeless Winchester -- Cambridge some -- Arlington. Right on through to the San Diego -- sending in the nominal fee. A Little League headquarters and we put Pennsylvania for the right to participate. In -- turn in a series of games interment.
That's going to go to put a patch honestly right to put this. There are some communities that don't do Little League. That have their own you know who do we have a real program you'll actually Charlotte -- an event a -- I blew them. I believe Cambridge where I grew up does not is not affiliated with little league baseball league and -- not affiliated with the United States. -- think Cuban baseball again. They get a little tester that they just aren't actually this thing Steve IC we go -- and yes it's -- it's hard to correct machine. It's part of -- machine and agreed that the nerve center is cute but as you get I was a part of a machine as it possibly be part of a machine that not a lot of it's like a drop like a rock dropping in a lake at the epicenter. That's with a great machine -- the Wakefield Massachusetts and other borrows a make -- really good sent start up the key element that televising. Of the World Series games that's well what can I don't. He's gonna show us I'm going to baseball team get chewed up. Okay Little League baseball's great but what you put it starts right.
A minute wait a sport that's a big complex and it's gonna brick building and headquarters and and that's and it president of the commission our board of directors what's -- I'm saying thing it's not a machine what I'm saying is. Machine business that are have to be a bad thing but it is an international conglomerates joining union ready -- well let's just keep I don't say it. And so so you you have to Polly talking about a machine that chews people up spews -- people up well we're finding what exercises. Okay I'll put an evil machine they go okay it would Rigas and sometimes an action is necessary to okay.
Please get the point correct here people that are taxing and I'm glad don't their feed into the he's using a different word was and can I used. I call was some vacation of American -- we don't keep score used soccer -- the losing team would feel bad showpiece for every one. They all winners yadda yadda yadda I mean the first of all in the Jesus grow up there. First of all of -- argued that point for years. I don't like the ties I don't think everybody deserves the trophy I believe that these games should be competitive. I just don't think you should put the kids on television for everybody to watch the.
Kids should enjoy the fact that they are playing competitive games against other competitive kids it shouldn't be exploited on television.
Making it started very I mean haven't we seen in this society that everybody wants their fifteen minutes of violent.
Let's find there an adult I just don't -- you give the fifteen minutes of fame in some instances you give a few weeks of thing. And an 1112. Year old kids the idea is to go out have fun -- win -- game. And if you lose worrying how to be a good loser but it's about winning the game it's about getting that trophy it's about seeking a championship probably just -- should export the.
Kids there is no question that it is very uncomfortable and it will be when the scheme and between Connecticut Massachusetts I'll borrow. It's very comfortable to see a -- trying to wrestle with his emotions when he really hasn't even hit puberty doesn't understand what bosses --
Of society we don't allow kids to be exposed to this topic for you because -- we're a Little League uniform. We not only exploit them and the Monty Python programming support the spelling -- ex -- another one I.
But you know me. When spelling bees are like votes for the second show they'll spell words you can't tell -- why did I. I what I would say that's correct and -- the bases and then they did I think is worse.
And it's one -- it's one kid. Police in this case it's how many kids -- only twelve Connecticut to stereotype -- that -- up that you used that sentence but -- like fifteen -- twenty kids in Little League -- seven a seven top of the sixth you can hide amongst the -- you can say we -- threat but can you spell -- wrong. Yeah that one -- one what about the south broke pitches just give -- three run homer right now you don't think he's going to be a lot of women school up now.
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And it has got to get it to school we realize that the kitchen is cool before that got advanced and that nastiness that existed would we were on. He's -- his profile you. -- crime. Can't just give up a three -- on -- on this is seeding doesn't have their hands balling it amount plan with the manager rocket.
This is exactly what I'm talking about this kid is coming off the field balling his odds out an attack -- this -- be on television. Probably helps kids do you stop it and don't tell me that it's not meant to write -- terrific kids in high school right now they don't. --
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Fortunately people are crazy you know why you are all you are so off base on this one so -- on dragon has never been more off place. Other got -- combat it shall replay of the port I mean I -- it all and is I don't place -- and also about that the reason Little League Baseball. In this tournament is so well received and embraced despite the fact opponents probably -- touch.
On the British and I think the reason yet to get up please it go -- of the -- and I'll talk to mail when he's recently and it's already easier to present.
a shared experience and yes everyone has played baseball a large swath of America's played Little League Baseball weather be male female I girl on my team this year was terrific. And people can appreciated in addition people have kids or they remember what it was like to be twelfth night and I'll tell you what I have my kids at the beginning of the -- trying to implore them. To act the way the kids in the Little League World Series -- when they strike out they put the -- hand and then run back to about its socially okay to be sad about it. You don't walk back to the -- over the head down and kick of defense and utilities there -- unbelievable numbers in far outweighs the positives of this of that. Outweighs this do you instances where there are tears and I think people learn from the tears come -- not well complaining about your complaining about the cameras period.
Camera shouldn't be here picking up this it will likely -- artist somebody just somebody just said you know talking about it's emotional not because of television. Because of the importance of the game kept that -- is -- to get a look because you're in the normal immigrant or not but right. I'm not you know wanted to be abolished. The feelings I don't know -- ideally should appreciate this weekend millions of people and -- watching and wants Brosnan and its statement though their little kids well. I don't little kids -- adults. Are gonna cry right now bucket became overtake him an outcry. To hear about national -- that puts -- Russia wanted to and he broke out radio experiment. I tell you what if both of us. Kick you right in the night you couldn't get your foot up then I'd watch -- re. Right in middle bar next -- the picture right.
Eric and I tell you did it. Not too bad I've called it because. Look at that. Arms and it will run Altman to. Also -- experience with my daughter was. In 99. With the only girl when the masters is. Little League team go on the Bristol Connecticut they wandered -- division. Fortunately a loss to on bruises. Game Gordon Williams -- put. Those one of the greatest experiences of you know it was.
Of your life for her life. It I think so won this one of the that's one of the problems I have with some of this is that I. I swear to god there are a lot of parents that try to live their lives is apparently in many cases it didn't work out the way they wanted to do they try to -- their lives to their kids. All right I'm concerned about a kid I got -- like that that's you know that's.
Well I think at that time she but I think it also -- negative effect on -- analogue. To. You know keep. Did regret it did you learn that -- Yes -- words then. We interviewed to be. Now you know that. There's two years ago -- and once got a Little League. She didn't want that to do it really baseball.
And I think that that's again that's an -- in instances where a kid snakes from the sport what today -- like I I agree that that's -- some kids will do well with this. It with this experience of being televised and others will not do as well. I just think there's no need to do it other than -- furious in I don't know if you saw their earnings yesterday. But ESPN's looking at saying in his think what we. We will we'll explain -- because we're gonna make a lot of money out there there is a man I don't sit there are right there is audience for Tom's don't want.
The goal of exploiting known. Why and I kind of -- would on the edges the end of it. You know assistance sporting event so it -- August played by miners was there's not much time. Horrible stuff going on in all my. You know what do. We had a great time down.
Brother and ask you something and act and I kinda know the answer and I -- your connection is an awesome so who's gonna make a real quick but. After that 99 team went from middle borrow. The 2000 team had a hell the lot of pressure on it didn't it from that town in the 20012002. And and ever since those little -- kids have an awful lot of pressure on to play at that levels deal. More than the -- kids who probably you know haven't sniffed it. And probably haven't gotten out of district and that can be. Really hard as opposed to being on television am -- right.
It is. What. Does the state tournament but they didn't win it.
I ran up to stay where you don't mean it's not Russian allies are harmed. It was these kids who Hokies want to -- well last year and and he's 1112 year old kids gave us a note I don't know when they last. If -- and it -- at the -- that -- but that's part of learning and it's certainly a life. Again I don't have a problem people keep on doing I don't know where they're coming out as with a that we pay your way contributed to the continuing. Week of vacation in this country it's good to bleeping Arabs laughing at us right now warning to take over to O that's they can't hit the curve that he can't -- the -- gets. But I I would say this I would say this I I don't have -- problem. With keeping score. And great competition. At that -- despite I should put a cry I makes it hard for you and I don't cry you -- the kids should do it for the fun. Of the sport. They should do what to learn the experience of competing against. Another youngster not beyond television that they they can become should they start clear the city is still to declare the Stanton to send an email with a final result ones. Not bad idea. It certainly pointers to -- This kid. That we just -- the right now. You think they'll let it get even -- been as emotional. If that game it's -- town feel and believe me okay. Do you think -- probably would -- that we shouldn't it's been able to see what it sets on center now it's almost an -- with with a sell the entire it's gonna sell oral. Is saying the -- little army -- what it wanted to -- a big play in the South Carolina does this mean when he comes back we're proud you're. Some -- you know you don't want to write the parents what the mature people opted in which or young kids well. The kids -- that's not true. Equipment yourself nice and high price coached you are saw airs nine Little League based they are not getting fit young adults some young kids are not going to. Because they don't I get frustrated they're not gonna be all what is the deal will be you gotta be somewhere but will be. An avalanche of support for the -- as opposed to anything. Negative that the popular he's not the cute like from a -- that -- wins when he dropped the -- Are available in the did you get calls from the -- RV -- TV star now. I used to router in America that Clinton basketball and they stopped amid calls Monica and too many flights let me tell anybody gets he's at the gym and be bold text thoughts tells what he's working Arab.
Today -- team. Where like ace hardware -- Little League team coach there was a little cubs okay -- cubs play in the dodges the getting calls because you know army currency. Now even Monica what when I go out -- arguing that had never thought I'd never argue Michelle that's what can you get suspended in the past I've actually touch you've got suspended basketball is that true yes. Twice twice. Suspended. It is basketball league twice as he was a Porsche sport wasn't with fewer reports out of the did you -- television people don't know when to shut up again and apparently you being one of us know wanted to reference. I did not go to replicate it. I have the details it's a very good.
I don't like you thought you I don't know people at the real hockey -- it's my old boy we'd beauty it nobody you beating up people on which the umpires you want people.
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More from this showOur friend from Pittsburgh, Mark Madden, joins D&C to give his take on the Joe Paterno/Penn State scandal and says Jerry Sandusky may have been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors.'
More from this showDanny joined the Big Show live at our remote by the Garden at Hurricane O'Reillys on the night the Celts host the Lakers and talked Paul Pierce, and how there was nothing to the Rondo for Gasol trade.
More from this showHeidi chats with D&C to talk about the Project Cupid Date Auction she will be participating in this Saturday in Boston.
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