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Tue, 9 Feb 2010|

Glenn, Tom E. and Lou examine the Ray Allen trade rumors and the future direction of the Celts.

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  1. Ray Allen1:23, 5:09, 5:28
  2. Rasheed Wallace7:51, 10:22, 14:52
  3. Chris Bosh7:28
  4. Rashard Lewis4:54
  5. Kevin Garnett1:24, 10:21, 16:09
  6. Paul Pierce7:46, 10:41, 16:35
  7. Dwyane Wade7:25
  8. Doc Rivers17:34
  9. Kevin Martin's10:08
  10. LeBron James7:27

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So championship team loses seven you know go seven and thirteen. In the crux of the season and beyond that this team -- what just happened though. Okay put those teams might have been. As so at some point improving this is February we've talked about this this team was already reeling from injury by the middle of December. It's getting worse so the only way fixes kind of sim what do you -- TV to today you have to somehow infuse a different attitude. Into this team in Angela what talent always comes.

You. That he need but it with the team -- the -- dogs need a new shot -- and -- you the question is that you set. Who each rated reality -- the with a dump salary and rebuilt meet at a window here that would let you -- here -- return to what you do to help you baby propel you to Egypt Egypt this year you're using the ray Allen's salary. To get you to the next level now here's what I think the mistake news is that you do you talked about getting younger. I agree with that. That was the original plan we win a championship Purdue and then we just turn over these three old guys. -- one year to year tree right and we start our new Big Three all over again. The problem with that right now if you gonna get youth right now I'm not sure young players you know Kevin -- name pops -- much or young player. Is going to be the answer I think the older players have a better shot of winning. In the post season because you look at the history of it that's what's so the question is are these guys right now. Cool. I don't pick the tool not beaten up and NG the other night on I'm Rashard Lewis a guy that he normally. Matches up quite well what state.

The idea that -- if you're talking about switching pieces though though and you say you want an old guy. You have to improve athletically. Ray Allen's position Ray Allen can't defend right now police to operate slow he reaches. He's not able to get a shot off as we saw in the playoffs against Cleveland a couple of years ago he was much better last year in the playoffs. But he's able to be shut down in the playoffs I want to see younger -- the rail a guy who can create a guy who can. It'll be somebody who feels in gets dirty points Ray Allen doesn't get dirty -- this guy hit the -- feel it yeah half Rican career that's.

But win but you're also talking about one of them one of the time great shooters in the game that's nice it was dale Ellis. Well outlook is over read it it to be its rails on over and it is yeah because as we know went right as a sure he's. It's the -- came -- way -- hall of Famer never get always a hole and realize that dale -- Oakland rice. Point -- you can put Glen Rice in the same category cut our. Don't you might yeah. But it sort of like you think great Alan problem right now the Celtics know but I think that he people on reality like to Ray Allen is more the light of Reggie Miller right now. That's the group is it -- And by that you've got to be kidding -- Surely -- short sale additional -- the wait Brit you Billick could. At the end of -- Ray Allen can get the shot off you can get a jumper rough he's -- he gets he gets a shot up frequently as -- maker of the grey matter. Well that's a different story because a Capel might don't know that's no way I -- or attach -- a -- entitling -- Reggie Doug James Reggie Miller did. Reggie Miller came -- radio religion fired -- ball up. Ray Allen comes off screen and fighters the ball up. That's what he does that's his team knows that issue and either you talk about getting younger -- this is that that I think what the Indians to. Contemplate would move. By the -- GM who's gonna treat similarly blunt Neil from radio. Please because you do that. And I don't know all I tell you how you first of all here's is his what you're doing. Because they have got. A real players well so you get two guys can play the same position so they look at say will take. Ray Allen's money which is twenty million dollars in 191 that that will now use that in the off season. -- Ray Allen expires via the -- an expired contract so he's gone. Will use that to go get the Dwyane Wade or LeBron James or Chris Bosh or one of those other guys that -- that that's why you do it. That's the only reason you do zones and they apple and they have a month Ellis replacement already. In cars just.

They -- trade reality because of the contract is -- to a performance idol thank the president play when I look at the Celtics ST Paul Pierce who can't get healthy it was one gives up the Nicholas the Nikkei -- he's not right you look at Rasheed Wallace -- still to me isn't even in shape I don't know what happened to him he's not clear what he's done defensively. This data pride themselves on defense they -- plain horrible. Horrible what I want in team defense rails went up the -- gonna play in doing his thing to -- so.

shows up but he shouldn't shoots threes and runs -- and on the wing and -- a little reach in defense and that's about it. I actually I you know -- at a Laker game I thought it was pretty good Kobe Bryant including that game would think yeah I thought he played terrific defense does not not a great defense play there's no denying that. A one dimensional player probably too because he's got the the the the dribble drive penetration as well. -- thick outside shooter and extremely it what makes it work for him. He can come off that -- And firing up -- he can collect that crosscourt pass and fire it up instantly and accelerate the benching guys can't get ended his face now. He's up there NH. And the one thing that happens with guards they'd lose it in their legs and once they do that you can go look at the history of the game. They were very few guards that get at that age that he's hitting right now 3435. -- you get to that point. Very few of them. That our shooters and they can maintain that. Beyond 3435. And Reggie Miller by the way was one of them yes -- dale Ellis -- put another one but Ellis was. More of a swing guy can play in a small forward as well. It's different slightly different game. If you look at guys. I mean Shaquille -- a prime example of that lost this game four years ago but still -- still functional because he can uses brute strength. Physical ability. Down low score people overpowered -- majority that's very similar to to you so that's the question. And the question of the Guinea Estonia.

Because I do not believe the jungle you're talking about I think you bring it he doesn't exist no no no no -- I think you bring this young guy you right now. -- we're -- young guy in in the second week of February 3 week of February. He's not gonna help you -- championship this year he's got to learn these systems got to learn your guys she's got to learn what -- to do out there here's what he might -- here's what he might do for. He might help you next year. And the year after that the year after that if you bring it and Kevin Martin's got four years left on it three years left on Patrick Taylor 1112 million bucks a year he let up you do that. You bring him in this year not gonna do the people.

So -- gallon at the celts defied Ray Allen. Kevin Garnett who can't get up and Rasheed Wallace whose problems opens players that passed through. This particular franchise he's hearkens back to Sydney with some current all right. All used to kick -- though these -- point out that that championship -- you don't.

About -- already download -- realities -- three guys Paul Pierce playing great he can't stay healthy because -- rails the only guy who's up. Easy but it's not his fault he's a guy's probably out their closest doing his thing right now Pierce's -- year when healthy. The -- still doing his thing about team -- great year though I wouldn't I wouldn't put our great a year when others are saying that he is still. Serviceable what they need to get guys stick to the basket he's out they're gonna kick it out.

I tell you what a lot I would worry about. I would worry right now that Ray Allen is one of those guys that is as a guard is hitting that age. Where -- and causing this delay it's long term and the and the shot is coming up. A little short if you will okay that's start to become a problem in history tells you the guards will lose it at that age just capital it's.

They just drove us up there may be the reason why it is happening. Displayed every single game in late forty minutes every single game I -- stay -- I think -- yeah it is affected his -- right now -- saint extend this guy bring him back into can be part of the future. Austin right now this guys weren. Coming up every single time.

What I would say if Danny age go to make this decision on getting the younger -- that's why you do not you take an expiring contract. Okay you're able to match it up with a a grouping of other players coming from the other team. And you match it up so that what you can do is you can get a younger player to play in that slot. For the next three or four years that's why you do video the other team does the deal which -- earlier this case we were talking about Golden State they do the deal. Because they want the expiring contract that would give them the flexibility in the off season ago signed an unrestricted free agent out there. Review the Celtics right now I do not believe that any of the -- players and keep running errands. That he's one of the young players plugged in sub literature this team's fortunes around and it is gonna jump started what I don't believe that. I don't believe it'll help this team would issue so Dan's decision has got to be based on this -- We have a shot of winning right now if we do. We try to fight to the injuries hope we get healthy get our rotation go to the last fifteen to twenty games. Do something that when the season's over maybe I got a team that opened an expired contract for next year and I could do a sign and trade whatever with with Rleal. And Digg gets something you know leverage it for something. But right now I gotta stay with what -- because I -- second when it if they do is come to the conclusion. And there's some evidence out there. That this team might not be capable of challenging the top teams as evident by now fully deployed against about -- like apple. If he's got to the conclusion. This team can't win this thing this year as it's presently constituted the guess what he's got a thing of the future. You've won your championship. You've got the most you can get out of the three guys not got -- got to make the move. And that deals with bailing out Ray Allen to get the youths that they're gonna help you not this year but next year or the year after and by the -- If you if you don't -- on a plan. Gotta do the exact same thing with Paul -- next year. And then you -- to do the exact same thing the year after that. With that with KJ you've got to stick don't you notice that.

I I agree with that and I agree that players out there that he exists I understand that but anybody thinks that it did that they've got to turn it around. And Britney and Kevin -- or Amare does and that -- suddenly gonna fit into what you're doing all your players and you've got get a too -- doing. We knew what they do what they know what they are though they each wanted to with the exception was built on defense can correct yes. There was spokesman shut -- defense often prevailed but but but you've got a couple guys that are hurt KG right now cannot. I mean the lowest -- a prime example Wallace is very good defender. This point what's the upshot was that the -- Rasheed to this -- reaches I picked up -- so this many times and and I passes have been that's Indian I don't -- buys it but I do buy into it. I think Rasheed came to this team. Five and a half million dollar. Mid level exception he figured okay and yeah and -- athletes think this would not count this money. A -- by 1618 minutes a game. And then I'll go pick a shower and then I'll see all those guys can -- suddenly got all these delegates -- a computer -- cars from -- because. You don't going to get Rasheed Wallace for the season. You going and acquire sheet for the playoffs she was acquired to help of one of the playoffs is you need 16182224. Minutes out of the planned. And you get a different player which -- the -- so I great I think she'd been a disappointment here no question about it. I that we you get value from him in those veteran players. Is when you get into the place let's is a totally different game. You know I look at Atlanta right now when it was good athletic team excellent like it was some really good upcoming young down -- The problem is when you get the playoffs game changes or half court more physical less self let mrs. I think it changes dramatically. And I think a team like Atlanta. Is team that Boston could knock off if there are healthy in the of their rotation that's a completely get it's an opposing it.

I know they can't beat right now on a regular season. You're gonna apply some of the third -- I don't offer more nights and help each of them or why these guys it's every other night.

What three times a week for the next remote to be helping in April went -- say that there aren't that many ideological -- to keep eventually get helping.

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Well. Give -- a couple of months off to be able to you don't want to get help leader in the free first things first of all first of all Kevin Garnett. With with with playing the way he's playing right I was going to get better I saw on isn't.

And anybody not to do is hurt he's gonna Phat pat I know that.

General Wallace and I can't confront it.

He went a lap when you look at it as being at regular Palestinian look at the ages some of these guys -- at the beginning of the season signal keep and I in the minutes -- KG comeback keeper nine is minister gonna keep those things down. Would you have injuries and -- Paul Pierce haven't surging -- neat -- coming back because Rasheed Wallace and -- better only played forty minutes coming off of this condition to which doesn't need surgery. That's not good that's gonna catch up to have a list this team gets healthy. Down the stretch they are gonna be dine they're all gonna be heard rails and -- gotta go down because like I said he's played forty minutes because everybody else's hurt if you let's say they don't -- limit the minutes of the key and healthy it.

Listen I've bought into the whole health thing and is there's no question that they have some health issues among the nine that. I I think it's deeper as I watched that thing unfold in the third quarter on on Sunday and -- pregnancy television doing your prep for you're Super Bowl. Recently and don't forget your button but I I would I would I would say this. That team never fought back. It it was nineteen -- it was point five to two run whatever bit of fun not Al -- and just looking at the expression of race. There's something going on internally of that team that any deal with right now. You know there's some issues that they have to deal with right now and -- for example one of the players to come out and and tell the Doc Rivers at the end of the game. Which he admitted in game on games and we're the better team were better -- them in Europe tonight. Because that's an issue if somebody thinks that in Europe you know set -- And we'll wait we'll get him at a plant the site on which you know what this is another place at Michael and -- radio comparison right. -- And that ran his goodness. But I'm -- that issue of in the context of everyone saying the radio on the first ballot hall of -- which is what it was pronouncing 2007. When they would announce -- new Big Three -- real famous -- was. Mystified. How you gonna be wrong about this. Well corporate about it you wanna put a -- date if that if they don't Kevin Garnett all all clear that spot and reality going to be ultimate wise and Glen Rice. Ain't that far away because you're -- he's borderline player is immortal. I I what was not what was his current competitive until you're thirty just things you can get but -- coming AFC in 2001000. Games even home yet longevity -- a thousand games now. We legislators. I'll ask you to focus this is another one of those. People hear what they wanna hear a bit ago you should Nicholas -- criticizing ray Allen's physical shape he looks like he's in the best shape a desperate when when a ripple of I said he is age. Based on your age go look at the history of the NBA when guys hit that age guards shooting guards. They're shooting percentage drop. Their points per game drop it's just this start I'm sorry it Reggie Miller's one guy that seemed to it exceed Charlotte as well whiskers -- Micro break him back -- any of the --

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