Peter Gammons, MLB Network

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It's that was his joke of the night. You know humor involved Obama used in -- times -- Galahad it has been far far far too long between visits with Peter Gammons Peter -- from NASA and MLB network joins us on AT and he outlined. AT&T a better three G experienced. According -- long time no talk. -- I'm just think it you were the globe. You -- Sports Illustrated UN DES BN now nestled in Major League Baseball network spend a fortune on business cards that your title Liu worked for. A war. In forty years artwork ought. To Peter out.

you do and Peter exactly you we site contribute to a medley Norton mass last night will we see you on nests and on the panels are. We be riding on their website with what are your duties include.

Well I do shall spring training sloppy -- it would use there'll be doing. -- shows during the season I'll be doing Gregory these record -- MLB network. The studio shows. And like for mlb.com. Sort of an -- And LB network but it's. I mean. But it's just that it's a different forms. -- more which is --

Well that's good that's key they Peter in your estimation how -- stepped forward and then how many steps backwards. Did Mark McGwire take yesterday and last night.

and I guess a good thing but. I. It's a lot. -- what sort of these guys. Like Clemens that the possible of people and there. There's a solution there I mean are just people that require a sitting at god -- it almost now. -- Late great talks out of the court and saying are required. Greatest powers of all yes yes what involvement. SC models in. That is all but. It's only. Reasons I mean. Is a lot of people destroys sort of worked out now a lot bigger and it I think it hurt in the in the -- all richest people that's what you do with public can bring them to say. -- But at the greatest home runs for racial one baseball history had nothing new steroids. That's a lot of lessons on. --

in a nutshell it was like he was trying to accomplish two different things he wants forgiveness but he also wants legitimacy for his career. And those two things in this case in this context are mutually exclusive I would say.

Very. I only know sort out all of our Brothers and Schumacher -- How street waiter work of them coach who lost. Believe that there. First and foremost -- comeback. And sheer what was very intelligent. In his career. I don't want to share right now now it's sort. Of wire men. -- In deeper recesses of the mine that. Chances of making all -- slight. Like that. I. Shall war it's just that the whole denial. And -- ones. Whatever it was two years ago on the on the chip marks though. I accept the marchers are watching our game winner in the and a which. I thought I'd actually why I think. That you ever. Use. And -- said while. It's like. -- People who are so often and so. And that's a lot of these baseball players because there seemed to be so we're.

I think he's he's he's great example of that although I I don't think he actually believes what he's saying he does think. That he is too important when you think about it Peter start talking about the home runs hit in Little League as evidence that he can hit home runs without steroids. But I don't know what kind of advice he's gotten when he says. The you know than I did it some -- mash unit. When he started doing steroids he started getting hurt every year and he kept doing them and he had no explanation for that contradiction.

yeah and ties from 1990. For war in 1998. -- What strings -- here. A lot of it's and now. -- Want animal career I I must say. Nine. Days Saint Louis assisted -- loss. And possible. First tutors were shut out -- alt. Make it -- and nothing apart afterwards -- one required way. One. -- artists. And there were like for instance when you grow our record up there on the at that stage after the game. And -- it. Acquire its. Ex wife and his ex wife's. I'll ever get them back to the studio. So great about. Everybody in this country towards that in the end it's all. Still have that their relationship is exploits. Because you want the song that. That. It's sensible. A lot of things like 16. In the water wouldn't there also started -- in -- over the away. And and it. And so while the Al -- is decent human being but now. On this stage. It's okay -- forgiven. -- and so many times in -- Very.

Peter we know we think we know all about mark McGwire's accomplishments on two different levels first of all the statistical evidence regarding the frequency. Of his home runs and then the anecdotal evidence of the freakish distance of those very same home runs. Was there a lot of anecdotal evidence that he had the ball further than anybody ever had before.

Well. I don't trust. Trackers in the well Moscow but. -- no evidence it usable than. And with the possible exception of sickle for a couple years where in around. In two but.

McCain had great hand eye coordination.

A great and backcourt that's okay. There it is go out and.

All players. That all work with so. So we also well. Legacy. And spent an hour. Well. Liked -- they ought. Actually. War because a lot. About. Presidential. And apparently. Hopes there it's just ought to. So many athletes are so. Or. Most insecure person ever. And there. Is all our. I -- as. We -- out. Change in the next week I'd probably.

Patent patent TJ Quinn your former colleague and ESPN the despite the fact that McGwire couldn't remember what steroids he took Quinn. Listed the mall and part of an investigation he'd done and called an echo line steroids for horses. And he said that he talked to players who claimed. That McGwire was one of the big proponents that -- other players how to do it how to stack them how to use these TH along with the steroids and how good. Beneficial they were did you in your travels a view did you hear anyone talk about Maguire as the big proponent of steroids the way that Canseco was.

No I would not be surprised some in a week ago that. When he got links Jason Giambi. On. Mark McGwire has his mentor. And all the reps and armed so there. On the work for the daily news what they're -- that support the other words out of Michigan. In the southern cal -- which is on. This in the LP yeah a night that property achieved and rows of off there it was it was Christmas in Everett in the sport. There -- as. Daily news -- from acquired. -- All we have 11 our rightful. Missing. You know there there Gupta examples of people that. That you've got all work because they had a trip back at our correctional and wait five years or -- guys coming. Just actually go bigger but all acquire has seen shall what a larger than life. One. I thought. Condenses the that he was now. How are calling it. That's probably. I I think some of these. I thought possible gave about how and so forth in nine I'm not short. Commercial. Ones. I I it. Now questions his era and one of Mike's paper -- believe. That. This is all. Of our urchin who did I don't. -- very strongly believe that once baseball. In 2000. Well violates. Our policy has caught on well all of -- questions have been raising. Go from. Virtual. Port for its stock. All of baseball players -- which is very important. All. It's. Sure we honor people. That there it's cheated or I mean there's -- sit well it wasn't. Want -- law.

It's so many so in your opinion and David Ortiz.

Spare. Was fortunate to. Or the 2004002000. -- random testing -- principal amount. But I think that Palmeiro and here are I don't have a chance of government all of that.

Does your viewpoint change of the haven't tested positive under the auspices of Major League Baseball I mean we know we believe about bonds we know what we believe. About Roger Clemens like Nixon thirty or forty years from now will people soften on who these people aren't what they were the of their value to the game really was.

Hey hey we we -- have those issues. Probably last story. Like I walk. Insert link can you believe -- people writing about all of the acting on my back to himself -- and all. Or so players we think they have he would. We don't know whether it's a -- insert whatever. Heartland the rebel. Ally would be nice war. We get work. Ruled that war. Wasted -- players and those are. Kick back -- Oprah RBIs on that basis. Oh yes yes plots like -- gold -- Or vice and -- back to get back once statistical. Iraq at a and yet you know request that question will be raised but those are all but next year and I know a lot of best friend Brad -- about -- has sworn. Up and now there's no way. Sit -- but just the notion of it at that war is. And punish. Because of other people. Who look of the radar while -- concept --

Eight were -- Clemens could ever do what McGwire didn't last night.

Well. I mean I. -- it was still there -- personality. Oh right you'll on the field and about shall. O'clock to. Program to stop I think would be very typical I can happen at some point like but I I I've. Short simple app and it -- and in this --

Mean let's face it last time he tried it was all about you know plan a thirty year come -- my forehead and pulling tractors with my -- It was it was laughable his attempt to. Tell his side of the story and and defend themselves. --

All questions and actually. Finish your Ph.D. psychology book and all. Jamal -- should say that apple. So or. So this is really -- some balls. Psychology course which took me awhile. AP. If -- sentence also off. --

Long way the rest of the guys coming -- In the next few years and -- one consult on next here several apologies and Kamal sources and this debate or no and and -- it's great McGwire. Is a bunch in the drug testing policy. Q wait. A good thing. But. It's still a question change. Eighteen halt in the eyes on baseball player yet. And chizik is not right it's an -- should should these guys be given. Beep beep -- alt and I think it's a it -- issues it's not a statistical weight it's it's apple thing. All right pull out now. --

It Peter I have ask his. If he had done steroids. Would Mark McGwire would be anything close to -- player mean he had a Erie hit -- will one with 22 home runs and was was teetering. You can't seriously think that without steroids that he had any channels that.

That whole take doesn't address the A-Rod and Clemens and bonds situation to -- if they -- just and they are still exist -- his admitted it. So I guess that disqualifies him in your mind Peter what about bonds and Clemens when they come up how would you vote.

Given the evidence probably. No -- case -- very strong. That bonds. Was all Amer war. But com. What it to be made it occasions artwork -- well not. That McGwire so orders. One. Disillusionment about 1998 needs to sport. I. Mean. And out rule when Tom. And Cheney and I were talking about question well. All the old gamers. Com. Without steroids. Require. All. Power numbers in their four short. Shorts and.

Why -- why do want to reward guys for that kind agreed that kind of selfishness. Me why can't bonds just be a hall of Famer like contagious beat Barry Bonds and on the guy would speed the guy who could play the field. Who didn't have a thirty year coming out of support and why did he have to cross that line.

Real. Insecurities of these guys and frailties -- Eligible which Shakespeare were around today a world that's your. Because and -- what what is living right and the these insecurities that these guys that is just. Remarkable is that. That need to sort out. That. Is needing to make -- in this perfect on and off the field. Now. -- totally different -- she. It's essential. So much happier he understood that what it's about. What was interesting last forward -- an -- anyone's. Console that -- after. Year. And Bob shall walk up and basically change it was an -- adapter. That doctors in last spring. -- Now are now there's a lot of human being. It's proper -- And I've. Got what you went through. Understood. It was wrong.

And that. I wish I think he understood no he understands now that is known to be for just in baseball. -- People look Archie. In but Alex learn something from I'm not sure these other guys have worked.

Appear before it lets you go Kurt -- from run did you predict. That Adrian Beltre would hit more home runs and Jason day.

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Same thing but a wrap up question for me Peter other Red Sox we will see in February in Fort Myers better than the Red Sox we saw. In October passed by the better this year.

This year because. -- old -- I don't worry about there. We -- gonna get a lot better but I mean I'd struggle. -- Butler had this wonderful. And it. Changed sorted by one Salzburg. How -- and are. Mr. someone all the work is now. 511. There are games are sorting and -- creator an additional the second one differential record away. -- It -- from Mike Roberts and -- college coach you -- wasteful program these forums institute in Scottsdale. Artistic in place to shut. I'm much -- in culture and work -- therefore. Five weeks for. It serves the transformation has gone from last year it's. Style.

Would you feel better of David Ortiz route there and you could say the same thing about him is whoever I guess this January that. Peter appreciate the information always a pleasure talkin' baseball even -- two years in between our our visit Peter damage from -- and Major League Baseball. Network couldn't talk to beat thanks for the title. Yeah -- Dennis and Callahan on the AT&T hotline eight TNT a better three G experience.