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Thu, 19 Nov 2009|

Vic sits down with The Big Show to discuss 4th and 2, old Patriots in the media and Pats vs Jets.

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  1. Herman Edwards14:06
  2. Tony Dungy1:47, 14:22
  3. Vince Wilfork4:55
  4. Jon Gruden21:38
  5. Rodney Harrison16:10
  6. Bill Belichick4:00, 18:46
  7. Randy Moss3:05
  8. Peyton Manning's8:13
  9. Super Bowl8:38
  10. hard wired8:58

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It's funny you much an actress it's time for our weekly session -- it was all inside the men and knows everything. About the NFL and that's -- body of -- crew chief from nfl.com NFL network and whatever else wall -- When you look -- you shocked when you when you saw them over on fourth and -- Oh not at all.

I thought this was natural -- got up and yelled at the prospects at their golf order guys up I and and then when the guys at the strait jackets came incurred beyond the present. You kidding me I didn't expect in a million years I didn't expect that now. Now that should show you how little I know about football of course because. Was speaking with our good friend Bill Polian mr. patriots guys entry dots which and he's always call them you know by having him go back spot is that is that a shot as you do -- after all it's just the way he put out over pronounce his pick. We used to make for our members got -- Pretoria Fred joker were to register we estimate spot now Scotland and our on the beat from the mid eighty eat while I was on the -- performance over the bills and use on their committees. -- I used car -- for the Buffalo News. And in India's in the in the first. Five or so years when bill came aboard an 86 -- once. He called the patriots and we used to make fun to build its patriots. For. It's great so it's not a it's of people have assumed itself that he came upon recently I sort of -- back there are jokes all sort of answer anyway. So hospital through the scenarios and I said -- You know I was I was stunned what do we think Russell ball go why why were you surprised he said. The history. In this particular series not to mention just. -- coaching history is he goes forward in these situations against us that's what he's not Tony Dungy talked about it extensively this is. The demo when they face the past and he said this is what he was looking into the three scenarios. -- When he number one so obviously the possibility of heart now in the jump offside he said that that you have to put an analyst. He says this is you it was his way of talking about how well prepared. His guys work for this because they were looking for number one hard out there were aware that Caldwell calmly talked about them so it's number two. Quick count and sneak in he said that was actually what he thought. Remember back when they -- linebackers have a little Writely accounts sneak in the ready for the editor linebackers right right middle he said that you have to cause he said he went nickel. He says you have to have nickel personnel to deal with that or the third option which he said would be. They pick us and he said depict passes is -- is -- the thing that you is the greatest risk of the three. But he said the -- past of their all risky but the pick -- s.'s. That you're you're getting. You're you're getting someone that you can obviously. Pick office he's going across and then have an open receiver and it's enough room to grow of those two yards we're joined -- on what they were doing there you know Telefonica Belichick denies that we asked -- Monday. But it looked like Randy Moss was set to do that but he got jammed by the corner yes and that's what he said they're cornered did. And he because he -- two -- there -- two points he -- the corner did well on that place so lot of people -- The job that that the -- did -- also. On the previous. Winner when he played we commuted next clip third down to which got lost in the shuffle. But. -- here's my thing and and I thought those were really great points is it's been a fascinating subject. And I couldn't and and for the life -- yes and I'm sitting Herman wrote a column. It's our whole column for -- even care that the colts won because in like everybody else that prospects a lot of national press that was there. We were all in the patriots locker if it became secondary in and -- was left -- to build your team went to I don't know we didn't care but we didn't even matter because. It just it was unfathomable that that of all people we could be second guessing. A decision by Bill Belichick relaxed and I didn't even feel comfortable writing about it I was a little sick to my stomach sitting there saying. I'm gonna write a column that I'm gonna regret writing because. A question the guy who who knows more football strategy. And any effect on her that they have had a conversation with a Boston writer. And the at the hotel. And we're talkin'. I was been reading some you know recent books about -- party just one moment sesame you know guys just estimates -- tonight. That's for different. And and and and I'm and I'm saying is that you know the difference events is this great coach and -- guy but I said. He wasn't an out of the box creative thinker that you really study him. His his you know what he did well was not. -- out of the box it was the sound that the fundamentals that a -- Politics the out of the -- speaker we were raging. About the move that no one anticipated before the dolphins game moving Vince Wilfork outside of how much that caught the dolphins off guard all week as they were prepared for something else. And on and on and am not and end so we're just said -- what we spent half an hour. I did gushing about -- geniuses coach. And and then I'm Sidney are at the end of the night and never anticipated. Having to address what was done but knowing full well that there are two sides to take -- I took the side that said. If you tell your best plan. Was to get the first down that was better than anything else you could do get those two yards to get the first down. It means clearly. And it's not you know -- you've gone off on the disrespect for the defense I think that's that's irrelevant it's it's but it is saying. That is better importing my defense against this offense. Under any circumstance. Which means there were two circumstance is right possible one was the 29 yards and they ended up haven't -- Mets stole evidence that mayor. But number two was the -- but that the safer 75 yard route which. Again to me was even if you think your defense could have held a time to and that. I would take my chances at 75 yards and not risk the 29 year as we -- and we don't like it.

And we all agree here but it's funny you say out of the box because a week ago. Faced with something that what was similar but not the exact version not to down the last couple minutes but in the Miami game. You know fourth and short situation he was gonna go for it and they had movement -- know -- it right nobody study was gonna Gulfport and in the Atlanta game. And people right Atalanta game up by saying it was the third quarter but got back. After the debacle. The situation there. This was up a pivotal game for them right they were struggling especially offensive right Iraq -- six. You're you're gonna give the ball to Matt Ryan at the 24 yard line in that case they score right -- that's a good Atlanta team there -- on the road they got suddenly of the motivation. That could that that could -- the whole game around they got the first down so I I agree with you I think he does this again somewhere between now and the end of the year.

De he -- he he -- he would do Whitman there is not one part of him that is been moved to think that this was an error and we can tell you -- we just a month David seagull I I honestly don't I know you'll -- that's because the ability doesn't. Think he ever does any -- but that's not what I mean by that I mean. He in his sound world of football. He he believes that even if he said to you that he believes it to. If you or whatever he does he have to say it's what people -- like.

It would getting at here a lot of people of talked about this week and of the a lot of fans were hoping that he would come out and apologize and say I'm sorry of people they. I can tell you from we will wear them on Monday. There is no doubt in my mind I'm sure Freddie -- would would agree. When we estimate -- there's no doubt in my mind with -- facial expressions body language and -- he believes he made the absolute right decision it's simply didn't work. But -- also is convinced look at --

We've talked about earlier the history of that this couple series before that. I think it was seventy a 65 guys two series less than -- brought his defense was depleted because the -- were -- tobaccos -- And he -- my best way to win this game is keep the the the ball out Peyton Manning's hands in get a first out.

I'll try to move the subject it to something else the patriots are facing the jets this is a team that had major problems with. With Rex Ryan's blitzing and you'll Baltimore bullets in the second game I don't think it's gonna happen in a -- your quarterback is too good in Brady. It to have that happen -- games in a -- what does happen. Of the jets I mean this as it's unfolded. Rex Ryan was ready to -- to put them up on the Super Bowl Alter after the first three or four games of the season you what has happened to that team that.

Here here's my take -- and I mean Rex is no different. Now -- head coach with I think we talked about this on the show you and you talked to know I don't know and I and to talk about no different today as the head coach. Then he was as -- that's how he's wired hard wired that has personality and in any number of conversations with him. That's what it is. Thorough belief that is what he will levee let me rephrase that. -- The way he presents himself is a belief. That everything he's doing. Is the right way and the only way in its -- your face and and so and so real throttled down. And I and I don't I don't doubt his sincerity because I've heard enough time seen times listen to common enough occasions even talked about. The process that he was gonna go through when he was gonna interview for head coaching jobs as a -- you might not come off so well sit in that room you're you're not the guy who presents himself. All that beautifully in the settings much the way there -- lot of questions about Charlie Weis sitting down in an interview and how well he -- just doesn't look like a guy that's that's you know gonna go to necessarily we want that's going to be our fates of our team higher -- and I think those same issues were placed and he said just going to be myself and -- and you you get what you get with me I am what I am okay I I I respect it that's great. Alec -- but but that's said I think more humble. Ugly anyway I -- said. I think it was working for the group that he had together specifically in. I'm Baltimore's defense on Baltimore's defense I think it was a mix the personalities. They got big understood. About the bravado and the sound of -- all in in the course of the week in the but part of it when they were ready to play it was down to -- integrity of the technical preparation beliefs and systems scheme -- guys can handle it. And focusing on that rather than talking. The gain. He gets to the jets as the head coach preaches this message broadly to everybody the same in your face approach that is exactly -- didn't keep it. It's a different mix mix of players it's different on chemistry rubble exactly right he's he's got some of those guys who doesn't have all of his guys. And I and and and I think so I served better I think some guys are better able to handle that than others. Let's that the general cycle -- crap on this thing the football part of it is.

He doesn't have enough players to be as good as good as he wants to be mobile.

The lawsuit Jenkins I think changes them drum all the launch -- we've talked about this earlier it's of the best private jets to face with that type of confusing defense -- Belichick the patriots weren't real fully. Call on the same page of the -- was out of it and there were functioning at a high level although she was the quarterback out of face of and therefore in their reading the defense is that backs Brady faster and make -- picked it up that it's much easier.

Yeah I I I figure I agree there's that there's a different -- that's not a small part of this that this is a different. Generally different patriot team facing this jet team now and playing. Now now that the you know about the difficult part though for the patriots is because of those early season earlier season problems and those losses to the jets lost to the to the Broncos they were put the position where. On a typical game although I thought they were gonna win it. Walt I mean I went into predicting they would win it and then having them lose that game now have a third loss on their honor but docket. Couldn't script as -- for -- tournament a desperate situation yet they've they've got this is -- You you can't slip up now the patriots have reduced their margin of error right there are our you know -- margin of error now. It's much smaller because. Of how they were functioning earlier for whatever reason they were function earlier. There there in a worse place now because not only do they have to definitely play consistently well and be -- and game -- have afford no let downs. -- to win their division. Although I'm not a 100% sure whose rise -- up but but let's let's keep and I am Miami they're they're -- he's obviously going to be trouble. At some point they could beat and then to -- is the that the those at the home field scenarios you know that I I don't like as well where if the patriots have to go to Lucas Oil Stadium. In January play as opposed to the colts come -- July. That that's a big disadvantage article has got to July that's that's of that lost resonates now that's a big big loss and that's the thing that I think. It's much as you know we're all -- when a locker room was. It is quiet it is defeated -- seemingly so as it was the because every set off because -- upset that defense because of the fourth down call. The failure of forth now I think it had less to do -- in the ramification.

You know we -- even more so with a solo second and even more so with his colts team this year with the lack of a running attack you put them out doors she put them in cold weather. I think they can be exploited to play and endorse an obviously we see what many condone -- to pick.

Within a few question quickly center Maxwell yes one -- question about when he took my coaches and and I he talked about Ryan. And look at Belichick and his -- one thing about football coaches or basketball coach whichever one it is. There's a burnout back there with coaches who are very very emotional slipping about Herman Edwards. In -- MD OP HD guys who are usually -- video I got two extremely emotional sometime answered their players. Have this show why for they have a show pride that seems to be really really small compared to people like -- Which really laid back Tony Dungy who really lay back both coaches seem that the coaches who really extend for a long.

I think that's agree point and your your right -- I you can only. Go so far where is fire brimstone it's -- it's a it's a wonderful tactic when used it in select moments ago and I. I think the better coaches. You know are are generally ones that are that are. Even keel most of the time. But but they've got to have some fire right I don't believe totally in the area tightening that you that we see where you wonder for guys got a pulse now. Tony -- Pretty remarkable because you know he has had it even keel thing he'd never looks flustered or -- White players -- when. It makes him more effective or has made a more effective. When he. Got to that point where he either had enough for he had put his foot down -- he would do something they responded lot of times -- and that's a look. More than a more than a word or sound but I am an and I think as a place to Belichick it's not screaming on up in doubt it's keeping your head. And being involved in the game. I I like a coach who does some micromanagement which he does with the defense and should. And and because that's what he knows as opposed to vote total hands off guys who believe. All the coach he's been done -- the week on Sunday I leave it to the coordinators I keep my arms full political you know what. How continued to bet that -- those three hours are the most important. For the week.

A Vick before I let you go I got to ask you this question is a national guy the guy that's in the NFL circles and talking to people it is than usual when you get a player who retires and goes to the media. That is willing right out of the gate to not only be extremely candid be. Or release candidate in showing the weaknesses of his former team -- like a Bruschi Rodney Harrison right out of the gate in the media. It's been that has struck because I did see.

I have to agree with Teddy I thought a real extraordinary. Loyalty if you will to to doing that and and you bring up you know this is I think this is a fascinating topic because it's always been. Talked about it our business about how well athletes can make the trip former athletes to make the transition or how much struggle it is because they get in there or former coaches. And once they're in the both there are still thinking like the -- about about the connections as players and his coaches. His two friends were still playing to relationships that are ongoing and and how much they could damage those if they --

Where the players -- If you talk about you know the national job compared to a job where you're with the EU locally completely -- and -- Position. There's nothing earth it's it was every one knows. Oh lead all all I'm -- I'm but let me senator -- stress might not to criticize I'm not saying he's doing -- in fact. He's if his future is this talks with a network he has no. He has to look he's a joke otherwise if he doesn't -- his credibility shot at MBC moves on NBC is is taking this you don't show by show meter by meter right there what's the what's the feedback -- there's focus groups say. How good is this I hope in this broadcast and they they are you know chart there's a lot of investment this guy wants to have a future -- this same with Teddy IDS and he's trying to have to have some staying power so they've got to be blunt or candid if they go into this thing and and much marshmallow it. It's -- because that's the predictable thing.

Elephant critics of -- a defense -- I don't care what -- office doesn't wanna -- plan of it what to do make it it does have several that defense feels to suspect that those kind of silly because if your defense to play. You know if you're gas through -- depleted. You know that defense is depleted they -- right --

that's what that but legitimate spoke rejection of a while. That's what they felt -- and there and I'd just like that might disagree with it but that's their opinion -- try to read too much about don't think. I think that's a fair that's a -- you if you could if you question her sincerity because you don't agree with another -- my blood. What they've made they -- debris reaction. Out of especially. Of wouldn't talk until and they know the thing that base in in New England a lot of people were saying Boyle should be -- are loyal to. Bill Belichick is he coaches thirteen and he brought them a lot of success. Person and are you insult the coach who major career useless you know and I think that edit yeah this is a much journal lies ahead of them -- and -- some of that in my apparently all right. Recourse oh well fought for people to welcome going to be a big. Only I could care option -- they're very comfortable makes them even though I do I do it because yeah. Network I'm thrilled with it cellular you're a 100% -- called it the worst coaching decision that his former -- they'd let me stress that's when he says it. As opposed to meet writing yet or some other writer person with no connection to the team writing about the various national audiences we have. If this -- to help Laporte wait for their quota met there and according -- that are important that. It's reasonably in my one being that much knows I'd get reaction -- whatever but so what it's it's what NBC is if it's what NBC is getting Ford's light and by the way. I think I think I think said -- it was stated there I think these guys are. I think he's chemically sets that's they I it is so close you are but I think I think that. The the comments that they're making is is done with with I -- a speculator but it's comfort zone. Comfort level -- thought they didn't know Cole who again -- do that really worried about their inability to to remain connected forever it. The -- they -- there are they going out to chat with somebody on this team at some point problem though. Which the pictures anymore and I think the performer I think former teammates know that so -- get a far parents are said. Help me get big gig when I would.

tonight I have circulated the flip side of all of -- are given the flip side. Matt Millen when he came out as a player and became a broadcaster was terrific he was entertaining he told that money is he -- funny. But he came -- was willing to cross that line -- and say exactly how he feels he goes as a general manager he fails miserably accepted his bank account where he made no point what do -- million dollars he comes back as a broadcaster right.

brightest college -- softball. Walsh thing because he -- he might do the job I am I but I think some of that is is yeah I think yeah I I think you're right I think some of that is. Because he he seems to be wanting to leave every door open. And and you really can't do that I I think it's on I think for the for the dollars that are involved especially with the network gates even with some of vote vote vote higher level local -- exhibit guys get. They're there should be an expectation that you bring insults then. Board then emblem an obvious and you know pro let's let's get some good idea companies I don't know because you yet -- know something. You can see that I -- Jon Gruden is just getting a ton of money our whole he's he's pretty set a -- record. Four I -- numbers come out of this but he's being kept off the coaching market. Okay and you think about -- lot of money he could have been getting if you stayed made himself available 2010 the coach he's not know what it does Disney and all their corporate guys got him and his agent and a room this past week. And got the other said John. We think Q where the next John -- we're -- market -- we're gonna we're gonna go -- we -- committed to -- for two full seasons we used to -- it will make it worth while and and his agent is seen all -- branding opportunities from him that he that they wouldn't -- if he was coaching -- coaches don't do all the commercial things that you know they're not available to do capitals right he's gonna get all this stuff and -- he's gonna ride it. Right across worth AM on top of all he says that he you know justice in this the other -- He again get tips sipped wine with my wife in the afternoon during the week that never was able do that during football season go golf with my son you know -- a little golf on camp with my kid. He says interest kickback and yet Thursday -- get on the -- head over to the Nevada what happens is great I'm not stressed out -- He's exactly yeah he's loving and any good I think he's got a -- insights he's he's challenges -- up the good Beckett.

Fourth thing going on that's agreement in its broadcast really raised my better terrific stuff I thought I'd actually a museum British editor. Ups and held vodka that FL network to regularly bombed it trying to comfort and benefactor. I'm what I haven't checked out the website give him apparently collection answer absolutely so far rule on that Nicklaus on what subject about about -- podcasters. They are wrong might get temperament and we start talking about except athletes who have now -- against -- gonna -- I'm on the day.

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The guys react to the interview Olympian Lolo Jones did with Real Sports reporter Mary Carillo where she reveals she'll be giving her future husband the gift of her virginity. They respond to her comments about her struggles to find a husband and staying a virgin being the hardest thing she's ever done.

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Cedric Maxwell: Elton Brand is playing roller derby with KG

Celtics radio analyst Cedric Maxwell joined D&C to chat about the Celtics lack of effort in Game 6. He discusses how Bradley has enhanced Rondo's play, the C's lack of depth dues to injury, and what the Celtics need to do to win Game 7.

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Buster Olney, ESPN, on the Red Sox, Cole Hamels, and the Yanks

Buster Olney joins Mut and Lou to discuss the latest on the Youkilis trade front, Bob McClure, what Cole Hamels will get in free agency, and if Hal Steinbrenner is really trying to sell the Yankees.

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