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Come eat current is on the phone we love dearly because he's a fabulous fabulous football knowledge not a time. Yeah Michael it's John writer and I and I you know IR RRR. Interim saying we -- to begin on this where's the fourth into your thoughts. I am so -- last night I was walking -- a zombie in my living room and I did a binge eating thing after that game was over restarted it. You know because I don't. How alcohol and -- at my house to -- to drown that out tonight you know I don't I don't do heroin. It was pretty pretty bad time.
We can don't have an online shopping and could. Set an irregular yet you sit com. I don't know it advocate quote the Tupelo what eighteen hours since the fateful -- the more I look at it. The more reasonable I exceed. The logic behind it. While it was obviously a tremendous gamble that didn't pay off. If you look at the whole wide range of what was going on the tenor of the game and just -- The operative -- meaning when Peyton Manning get that argued gotten. At that point be -- that he threw on the -- communicate with regular notwithstanding. You're really stuck to move the ball at the at a clip and I think the -- it is remarkably guys very much of the 2001 Super Bowl and when you look at it. If he was coming back very. They were playing at a high level and I don't think of the patriot -- it will go to -- travel to -- wants little ball because they figured their best it would ban the matter go getter. And I think -- want ability further with Peyton Manning have a football and they want independent that.
Now about the stuff that led up to it because there was a there was confusion as far as the the timeouts in the clock management issues there was -- there -- a couple of thought. Well three but unsuccessful attempt sent out getting a game sells at first our prior to that. -- tear that apart if you -- Tom the the plate plate choices leading up to the fourth through.
Well. Would you look at -- if you're gonna go port. On -- with the book without situation not to open the billable lot of war by going I don't think there were bought or bought. During that whole -- marked by edit them and you get the ball. And then have to call a timeout immediately before we run for rivet grab -- ever feel that we -- that would Pete Carroll if people would storm flat mired in twellman program but we're not hearing much about that today. We would I mean it's. He would speak for everyone else to do what we -- five minute with a boat check. Without bill Bryant or of that grad who have been people vote on a punt for a decision -- been made big didn't seem to have. Are swallowed. Chain of decision making. That was going on the last couple minutes without -- you know. Patent because that I think he should call without worrying about what can -- the game -- Bible that one yeah. The other one well and you look quote I'm a potential for me commission which is what was Welker did it in the bullet personality. And -- call another time -- because. -- on the first play of the drive. That's pretty bad but again the timeout weren't an issue when he was called admitted it couldn't be behind them but you also talked about. -- The process but what -- if you intend to go -- The first down that it do with that one. What to do with -- situation without I was going to be to -- abuse that we know that but you're gonna it will -- situation. In the third and your situation as well we knew what -- maybe running it and -- the human being given that book that they have to wrote down right. Now -- if they had no concept that they weren't gonna get it on the.
does that speak more that whole situation that developed as -- speak more to the the lack of a confident organized attacked at that point or does it speak to the fact that they have zero confidence. And maybe even less talent in their running game.
I think you know what it would be overriding thing here is the people of a maybe missile that. It doesn't. What state it doesn't have to be an indictment. Another section of the team. I think that they have is an absolute a biting confident that they pick up whatever they want to Iraq and it would be artillery they have on the -- flip on my the other -- I think it's via a mistake that. He had public confidence that Tom -- marketing its second book them in little ball. He's not going to make a bad decision to make a good read it between fought well remarks. I tore into guys regulate.
enough weapons -- were in the locker room after the game. Did did you ask -- defensive guys hurt or get anyone's thoughts disperse their confidence being shaken because of the call on fourth to a nuts and those guys out there.
Not like what we bought that he felt it was you know what we'll competence was was put it to them. In you know. Okay we're -- for your -- trying to McCain but if we don't expect -- keep Mo that the only six. And there's the part of me that -- can see that as well you know if I was the defense player. And Mike Cote went forward -- in the -- that -- that would it work. -- you've -- you really need for movies and those who fill -- the big that is the challenge that. Upload to buy it -- that contribute. I can trying to that they are recommended here.
But you know the traditional. -- way of approaching a situation like that is to is through. It is to take the clock away now obviously if -- you know you get the colts and Peyton Manning runnin' down a field were sprinting down -- to bring the game close. But they don't have enough confidence in the running game to even chew up 3040 pressing make the music timeout. On a series of downs and and and that's disregarding the fact that have an incomplete pass stops the clock. -- Michael you know keeps it running it just seemed like elected didn't really have a cool.
Gonna pick the paste all are very much -- and I spoke of -- those that think we last week about the red zone identity you don't have. People ways that they like to -- that are. Well created around this. He had. You'd have a difficult time defending -- that they know that it's coming right we Kevin Faulk. I would shotgun and stick it delayed handoff and that your running game -- it's awful. -- indictment as much fun. The office supplies that is our. People believe that --
Around -- that's what I'm and I know it's different personnel but in the colts can't run the ball very well but there's seemed all the effective quite a bit this season in the --
Well I think that. And and a third and a third down conversions are a while one is one isn't -- we've that the patriots again. -- in the red the home last night they -- one and then they had the little local wealth well we can't make it back. At least the one of those.
the second quarter first and six first and goal from the six they they ended up yet that series of downs. With a sack and we've seen it got an alarming amount of those that happened this year Thomas well.
Especially in the red army indicators really happened up there right now instantly. Athlete to be capable player but a player that guys I think if you really look at it get over the third 34 score in the debatable what until. The best team in the AFC right now is probably the -- patriots they went into Indianapolis they helped form called. They don't execute the bailout -- them -- coached poorly in the last four minutes didn't have a that you met.
Moreover they are yet it they do they really up to fend them everyday. That they get up until the fourth quarter -- but see -- fourth quarter got do you good to stop somebody -- martz like data traditionally cordial Peyton -- Very good separate. -- to have a beads they were so fearful of giving him another quick it's you don't chance that it that they decided tried to extend the clock on a fourth bounces. It's bizarre it's it's kind of relief.
fearful as much like. Or do you think it's clot that that the then it would fearful if you're fearful of it hadn't been if you had no way.
Right well let's put this right well we're gonna let's say not fearful but it's -- weary and wary enough to to try something that is a huge risk. In a terrible field position. I it to be if they had. 80% confidence you know in the defense then they would -- they would have taken the shot and given to a given the -- and defense Beckham feel that's just wear a lapel well Tom isn't it.
Nobody is the public think it could've gone wrong the colts if you look in the big game. But when you're Ed you -- shorten the game and that's that's well run bought it apart.
No no I'm sorry heads as far as Belichick goes though this isn't the first time he's gambled I think people. -- more stunned in my opinion just that it didn't work out I mean he's been unconventional in the past.
Right now I think that the truth about the ones who opposed it really. You know apartment example and I think that you know he went in a situation where a lot of coaches with the book is quick Robert I and he understood the tenor of the game at that time.
But -- that they -- arguable that you agree with this though -- as as met much of a -- cameras as he's been in the past and as you know I don't think overly so. And I embryos talks about Parcells be -- act together certain guys who make him throw the dice more -- but. No I don't think that there was anybody in the world -- patriots fan or anybody's spirits who watches patriot team. That wasn't shocked when they went for.
When it looked at all Kleinwort shot so I could pretty much tell the reason being Mike is they almost of that last. You would point for the seventh in the -- and a half left in its -- in the fourth and one at Miami's. Fifteen now. And who they lined up we'll read -- erupt quite melt that place fail. Miami then had the opportunity to come down the other in the field the game when patriot who spoke with a little that the with a you know. A -- yet but I don't I managed it hasn't been I know that I know -- about the situation that is what you're more dangerous. You know six point lead Peyton Manning your -- it yet even in their arena he was reading this it was -- in this way. All season and illegal last week was credited with making a PM link I play with an opportunity that he says it in the game.
Yeah yeah and you know that's that's I I I I prefer to point to the times when they got three instead of seven. You know first into when he. At one point friend and that second quarter first and goal at the sixth. I read to me that's like a you're you're we have super ball team you've got real pop that in six fort tries -- the six come on.
Yeah and the and the you know it by Brady wasn't it wasn't a very good though if you saw a cable camp we could -- overhead view it and now orbit they would they would raking before the ball right was released and it looked like recovered from pretty quickly delivering that mark wrote a fumble. In huge huge now what are what about you aren't SpinRite. You can -- So mature I mean. He needs to grow up a little bit and got a guy go anywhere of the NFL you have. People who make mistake with a particular -- the player running back mean. It'll play like that in the Malacca from Tokyo what does that do need to repay all -- in their explain what happened. -- would deign to speak at the root. Two very angry nothing. It is wouldn't and a -- It part of a professional is that it -- a cult aspect. Of the job.
We're of course cited -- hardest part of the job especially when you're faced with a failure and to me. That 31 yards thirteen carries two would have 2.4 yards a carry. -- that's just that's Sox.
On the other hand out of -- 5985. And Kevin Faulk who is -- out of that so my yet. And you know at this point in time -- 1998. But that -- display it. That much of a first round pick 2006. He stood up there -- in it to get -- that would mean in a -- and about again. This -- a media driven thing but he's the character of the guys they have in the look at a level of maturity -- and I think that. You really start to see on defense especially the lack of Richard Seymour the lack of we're able. Bruschi Harrison people who can step up Iowa. It's particularly -- disrespect that they you know. Knowledge of what -- on so contrite that is is the mentality. Then you know you never looked confident and not.
Now the other party in the real big ramifications this game of course and you know we we we didn't see or think. -- all melting away at that point time but what she did have melt away last night. At the end of that game was. The potential for a for saw it in the potential have to go back to work the colts if you're good enough. To fight it out for a run for the chance of Super Bowl going there losing the tiebreaker on the home field advantage. It would and one game behind as they lost advantages another AFC teams as well by having their third loss.
Yeah it is not on the soup bowl. Okay the department not sit well don't let them that well it's just the running game ended -- secondary to hit the there is there at that that that's at least seemed pretty. It up pretty well indictment of that I don't think that they're going to be able to continue with the level littler would be on the they have very little put off collapsed. But yeah it's damaging because not only the patriots outside. With the Denver Broncos let it had been headed it over them you know they're -- about. With. -- Diego chargers as well and you know. There's a lot of teams in the mix with the patriots with a separated themselves from the now behind -- that different than.
Yup and and all while all the while maintaining that immunity here's a nine and a team. If they get to report were it is them against the colts for the AFC championship any going to be in Foxborough. That -- that -- Tom. Even though that was a terrible loss last night you did the patriots came away with that -- we can be the school's team if we if we get another crack gathered in Indy. I would think so.
No no question of all I think the patriots. Have every right right now. The believe that this is the best humiliated they ought to look into that -- they went into repeated -- was not at all because -- gain to them. With three perhaps orders and it it was who took the -- circumstances. And Hall of Fame player and a player at the top of the immigrant you wouldn't take it to the next level of the final but the barrel build the report.
Yeah officer Bradley could've been a bunch warning. That happened at everybody that yet that's a that's the tough part of it to Tommy -- based on what we saw yesterday and you know you opening up the field with -- I would Randy Moss who was just everywhere Welker had a very impressive. Unity of close to -- hundred yards. And a bunch of catches it all those things working so well it'd be the big the big war on the gas of this patriot. Good team here right now is the running game to me -- I mean to me I can't get beyond that. I mean I can't remember more than three games have ever seen -- look anything less than an impressive -- more than unimpressed.
Yeah but I can't say it and the funny thing you can look at the even say what that was the good thing we felt that I don't dirt bird whose -- productive. In front of a ticket like that other number is for -- and I agree with -- That's secondary -- pretty well the cook remarkable wrote in character originally.
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Gary spot with a remote third when -- atmosphere it's -- candidate trying to outlook has put an end up yup try to flip out the what.
What has happened next year -- current for the patriots to -- gain. Quote swagger or whatever it is certainly the jets and -- in the positive confidence -- are they gonna have to run the table here -- you what's going on.
You know what it's the world baseball phrase it's it's. -- let -- at this period pianist who collected starting pitcher I think that well -- in the first quarter and you get up on the -- pick her business. Chemical -- paint it. Yeah it's dark steel -- because we have year old who remember you're gonna feel that Ingle about the 2009 -- knows. It's gonna rear its head and again but I think it. -- very quick. Who worked in the football. Couple weeks ago to -- people talked about the global player up with what they run their -- plot that was neat things change really quickly the F I'm gonna pick Bill Belichick -- this is not the front page. --
Okay Tommy current. This man it's it's good to hear your voice does you know you are the voice of reason on the week to week basis here and we appreciate that and you know we'll get over this eight. You know I got the colts tonight minus ten has been the I mean the ends --
He now again and Alan and I just right the reason I don't I'm not a target but the colts he went about it. The colts Euro or Euro murderers from Africa at a nausea Tom you -- right.
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