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Tue, 13 Oct 2009|

Peter joins us to put the post-mortems on the 2009 Red Sox season.

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  1. Ryan Franklin18:23
  2. Felix Hernandez3:23
  3. John Lackey6:07
  4. Jason Bay4:37
  5. best picture3:54
  6. Costa Rica0:27
  7. Steve Phillips14:21
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  9. Hyannis0:13
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    I think whether the whether it's an Oklahoma City. In basketball. Whether Richard Green Bay in football very small market or New York Boston LA Chicago. Athletes in general. I don't like media criticism they love the media win. You have a a large group that can help you further cause but. If you are too if you're saying anything critical about performance and team performance. Things didn't go well they don't like the media so whether it's in Boston. We have reporters after Tim Thomas a question if Tim Thomas was in Philadelphia the same thing what happened to Tim Thomas was out there where you are in Los Angeles. LA reporters would do the same thing it's not a Boston thing --
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Peter are you ruling out another. Kick at the Felix Hernandez camp is that just. Is is that untenable from Seattle standpoint or or did -- do you think they make another run at him having done it at the break.

Eight curricula. It's hard to do it I think it there's the problem is not so much including -- A lot of -- the end of next year. At the rest of the problem is lower. Apple older or other guys to get Hernandez. Always taught our best picture late. How much what it is if you think that. He's telling his secret pictures coming up all right now let them. Can work at -- in Manhattan shortly. Apple look at and go at least. Get a little bit more often have more fidelity senses that there's tremendous concern. Go crazy uncles defensive metrics is the president Merkel vote -- corporate last year it was second best and all last. Right -- she. Mentions it is it is real concern.

When we get back to what you said about Jason Bay if you go back a few months now. It looked like Jason day it was going to be the premier guy out here in the market. And holiday was going to be the consolation prize she was playing an -- big ballpark in the numbers simply weren't there. Suddenly -- holiday is out of stuffy terrific season albeit with the error he made the other night. And represented by a guy who likes to hold out his client's right until the and then but you know -- the last second. And now suddenly it looks like he might get more money than Jason but so what are the Red Sox left with. In this equation is they don't sign -- with Holliday now a -- that might be. Demanding more money than Jewish and a.

Well is great question because there are so separate piece together. Other free agents but you're still. It'll -- Chase and -- or partners in their funds now 08. -- global. And scored 2006. 7008. So com. I would be an ally -- realize there are questions obviously are. Defensive liabilities. -- that. There's trouble holidays and about but I'm not sure holidays that are here that that sought. I felt that in the end it will sign. Parker production right we're gonna replace. John Lackey. And airport ousted by a picture. Post a respectable rounds with a they have right now. So I don't accept the money that these these Bernie -- effect on the world's that is really dramatic and they don't have so I don't know where there is the money spent for bay it would be worked -- I think Red Sox give. Then again the currency okayed -- probably one or I'll order it right in character actor. You're probably play all. And then. -- acting out what they're gonna do we're global Ortiz situation. And there are. I don't think -- yet which direction they're going.

It's interesting point do you bring up about about day and the added offense in the middle of the order that there was a six or seven week period. In which you could make a strong case that Jason -- carried this team. Because guys weren't any action on the guys were on any -- want a person who wants him and you wonder. If the season is not totally different because you're reliant on. Lowell and Ortiz you weren't getting it -- certainly from Ortiz and less than what you would expect from Lowell looked on coming back from the -- the hip injury. And you can imagine if you didn't have been for those seven weeks season could have gone up and smoke.

Actual record technical. Box or how hot right. Now that. I mean are also looking at. Nine and -- this is almost as he's interested result yes and in brawl right or wrong. True all there report pop up. Baseball's. Nokia man. Now that's what they look at at which some parts. I appreciate. It's helped or personality. -- option but. That's part replace them a combination Cody -- and it'll. Exactly -- should plastic don't have. -- lately especially -- and -- world can be replace other basic right here is going to be very good player but oh well I always saw. What do. Next year. If and it might be that last year and couple bonds' record last Q what do if you don't have. I think currently via pop up -- there where extreme Euro all I support to say now they regret it but all. They still. Open up against the other can't afford to go out psychic actually. Say something. But they're also not the and not not clear it.

Peter. You know the issue of two aging guys at the corners well -- third and and Ortiz at first. Clearly is it detracts from the team's -- a schism in that you've got two guys who clog up the bases and are not very fast are declining in production. And yet are gonna make almost 25 million between them. Did did you find it at all. Revealing. That CEO in talking about Ortiz who began his assessment. Yesterday by saying if he's going to be our DH. He needs to be a forest does that signaled that they would be willing to deal either one of those guys. And how much of -- market would there be for either one even if the -- it up some in the Red Sox would eat some money to make it happen.

It might mean -- market work. Lol I think it got to be party in -- market for our favorite because strictly mediate. Less well back in the spring. Crushing the ball. Arctic is it's a real issue. And I I think. And brainstorming but I'll let you actually have little place so first base. And age. -- Ortiz and I saw Eric guy. Change and help on the road. Were being collapse shortchanged. But. I think what's gonna short -- to -- all -- best -- patiently greatly doctor regarding fire base all. Green energy but it is is going to be sore back problem the war years. 44 million dollar which is more important work.

Pretty -- with him Ellsbury Pedroia. Certainly it yourself and table -- good as he is defensively you could even look at him as a replacement for bay in left field. Just as a different kind of guy more of the table setter run scorer. Then your traditional left field power run producer.

I. As it -- guess is that our. Now over or circuits so that the Red Sox were reluctant. Again in. Worked on weapons like that without Erica I.

Of -- White Sox are gonna be in on him though the pill have a number of teams. Driving that price up in the angels very much wanna keep them.

Parties have very little and not my feelings might get is in and -- because it's like a second. Area as the number to dial back. -- others forceful leadership of the energy and -- go -- and try to try to market in an -- whatever it takes is bringing back.

Peter what about a bring you on a short deal to play left for maybe two years.

I did a great day. I. Say I would stone. By what it is and I thought he would decline little bit because in New York it would playing quite as much. But and tremendous offer support this year.

Can't you change that whole. Offensive approach -- there.

Elliott where an op at LaSalle comparisons MVP of series three games aren't they it's so.

It doesn't stop some agents from negotiating that in the contract so. Even though there is no such thing. As a division series MVPs some agents have that as an incentive clause in their in their clients deals.

But. Make some sense I mean obviously. Changes is very much like a break in terms so I look forward not -- But really good RBI guy all watching all most guys. Don't ask all play Friday in the center of which is they're all it. Well obviously can practice the ball out of it workers. And it's Eddie -- approach. Actually -- or -- In collection include but -- you guys in -- report I don't know again. The angels sequel would escape ends I'll. -- well for that. And what citizen of the weather's pretty good in the bracket sort of a thousand appreciation idol ever quite got it or. But he certainly. He's a possible. That the I don't know. Looked around the guys. -- these contracts. Like -- I don't think many guys out there that fit that description. There are are scared that that have done. It killed right of appeal that part the net like results as the marketable and minorities. So. I'm not sure that they're going to be those contracts swallow up --

Are you not works and who's down the last thing they saw was Papelbon not able to close out game and so suddenly he becomes the scapegoat. I don't get it apparently they forgot everything that he did during the course of the season in past seasons and suddenly it's open up the door. For trade Papelbon Steve Phillips was on the station earlier today. And he thought it was a good idea or dealing them away what he is like.

While. Combination. -- you know -- while. It may change staunch. Believers in baseball. But origin of -- I. Care about bonds and he still. On correcting -- one or elect and Eric. Allow want others first time -- policies and I thought they walked right well this year because -- Planes are on the perhaps work ethic that wouldn't want to open in 2006. He had great sport any at a very usable -- Wide -- what we're fortunate here. Thought -- aren't ones. And Campbell -- We saw that. I guess spring training so come back. One I. Liked the fact as a closer -- being here. And you merely wants to be great while you recognize as being great -- my guess you'll come spring training and really work. Re being split the slider. -- Trading him away I would -- electric outlet bike and power. Or right wrong -- art.

Yeah but that's not gonna happen let me ask both of you guys this on the -- such concerns. About the fact that -- a runaway train here you'll never know what he's going to say and over the next couple years. Going to be coming to the end of his obligation where he becomes a free agent. He's the open guy when he's asked those questions while he's not a shy away may say some stuff that's that that ignites some Contra.

I think they cross their fingers any time he steps in front of the microphone because he -- save those kind of things. But I also think Clinton -- that. That in all likelihood. The move to deal powerful -- will come next offseason. When he is closer to free agency when they can offer him. Two teams with a at least a year to control him and -- is closer. So from that standpoint that is evidence they got to get through about ten more months of him without him blowing up and saying something. Catastrophic thing about nine months too long there's -- you know.

Eight -- records so laptop. Shall I think I don't. I would be a tremendous gamble on June 2 movies you'll parties there or Corey gave board -- like it. Personally. Very much but we have to remember that -- mean he's he's two years all of -- last. And I think in a year are about it is absolutely remarkable what he's done to get where it's win. At the end of 2007. Season. There or most people organization of a couple of controlled all what and where he's culture and in such short period of time. It is astounding I. I think inherently there's all -- all on your shoulders XQ would be a lot. I agree reliever -- In that Apple's symbol OK but the pace -- And I also saw it fall through gave us. A glimpse of just how good can be. But there are hopeful that slider a real. Strikes which is gonna make a 99 mile -- that -- there. How much of close our program. Watching the playoffs what they go in and -- Ryan Franklin. I don't. Hold their -- all web based in what you watch you know. Good leaders also in street last site quote got sport -- yours steal -- right -- match up also realized that. For the last fourteen years. Player words. I create test he can be that consistent and that greatly at all so what what you are in polls in -- and news. Only once in those fourteen years not seven. And you know so what about 2001. And the barber broke -- isn't being patched your way it happened but. No area -- her comeback and remote program but like.

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