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I guess -- I -- you know you're got to click the jury be and who yeah are -- the Italian cars from the front why don't we are always. -- laptops I was laptop was being part of what I did as a pitcher and so I always kind of gonna push envelopes and the -- ligaments it'll let bush of going in the other direction. Yet -- laptop is like the size of three laughing and dormant sites it's both a gaming computer thank you very much you know you need to look -- and Murray yours you just talk you can talk you can do that night that that dragon -- and I try to use it. 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They never do they usually don't buy into that you don't know -- don't. -- we can -- -- the poor kid that won the the -- NCAA March Madness -- was the only money he didn't get -- your money your injury free you know the -- much -- trivia club right you just -- all that money just be spread it out do you boys awful fretted over a friend I know whatever their problem. -- everybody wants to hear your word on not on this. Situation the other night. Jason Varitek couldn't go found out though they found out probably to three hours before the game we don't know tonight we'll find out the lineup this afternoon -- as a possibility. -- -- can't go again tonight. Means that Jon Lester will go up there with Victor Martinez behind the plate. What was your take on. You guys in four hours of talk about something that was -- -- on an epithet on the -- through -- Internet twelve hours and a lot of time we have twelve laws it I had to get it speaks volumes to having big victory here I mean obviously it's huge delta can go over to -- is gonna jets so. That unit -- that's where I would look at how I would look at it from a from an -- fact that an impact standpoint from I don't see it I -- if it was a big -- -- you know she want you to see the impact of Jason Varitek and I don't see it being as big -- people might wanna make it one way or the other. From the standpoint. John -- is it is and isn't the X-Factor in all of this him being here I think. Is -- is a significant piece transition piece bit because at some point or another it's gonna happen tech is gonna bird and back away somewhere else is gonna take the job and I think that that there's a lot of people Thursday's under a couple would that transition -- John -- Being where he has and he wasn't in the other night -- -- right -- right and I think -- that you know you've got you've got a attorney -- and -- and Jason. -- and Josh who who both. I think are are getting to a point where. And -- fifties and tango. I think they're more comparable company going oh they're only refresh your memory though because you'll want all I know I know you know I don't got a good -- -- some good there was -- -- -- -- -- -- it was always a big deal for me. For for the number one reason for me was temple. I always was was a guy who worked very quickly. Who like to get the signing pits and then you know I always enjoyed this is 'cause like -- Burly. If you got guys in the field on on a hot day there's nothing better than three up three down and 45 minutes back on the bench. Tempos a huge deal for me when I got it when -- got 687 you know 68 times it up and a tough pitch heard that. As you know you're looking at the you know -- I'd pull some feisty times if I had to do that and then -- that was something that was any huge -- many years forums dot I was going in the Al. Season we had this whole discussion about Jason Varitek and his value to the pitching staff there was nobody that was more adamant about what this guy brings to the table. How important years to the pictures. And how much easier he makes everybody's job -- -- to shut I don't know you know much better not do because he knew what you were in there. It would seem to me that you might have less of a problem the other night -- know Jason Varitek in there. In the of the way that you operate the way did you study the way that you deal with a game plan. I Josh Beckett got it seems to me to go more by -- more Biden. A normal schedule. Every single day and finding out just a couple of hours before that might have been enough to as as Tito Francona said. He he had the look of anxiety on a space before the game absolutely it's only been easier for you than him. I don't know I you know. I never tried to allow anything like that to be there was a reason in my game day routine was always precise and exacts from. If I would have my pregame meeting with the catcher and if it wasn't it would have been the other guy would have been me or were signed off on on my game plan meets renew my game plan. I would've gone out knowing if there was victor or we're gonna knowing im gonna be after beam from. More aggressive in and more assertive and some -- causes a lot to answer and game more tackle put them assigned. And I'll shake it off and put the same signed on again saying hey this is the pits we need to throw here Pompeo from understanding victor does that and has a menopause have -- it will when he was -- Cleveland and I always wanted those guys but when I didn't have that I I knew that going in -- -- -- it's a little different approach -- I don't know how much of an of I don't think you have of a big impact on on on Dawson. You know I I we talked earlier I look at that -- is somewhat of a blessing in disguise -- the last month of the season. But the big thing for me was they wanna sell it right and ready live at the big thing for me is in the pre season when we talked about this in the offseason is the big degrees Jason's here. If he's our testing every day he still has an impact isn't. And that that I think they're cutting its loss in the simply doesn't have to have a player on the countless why is interaction with the kit with victor is an excellent pitching staff. Jason is always a guy I dug you to take -- for times and threw really well Doug you back there. But but. Doug he was a moment it's more like Varitek when he was like other cancers from from a get in the game. The what the way I looked at last night was that they won the game exactly you said. It was drawn on the last minute they may be in a -- communicate game plans I saw a couple times this you know Beckett shake off 67 pitchers before. -- finally get the pitch that he wanted. Desolate goes into the rhythm the timing with which shows talking about. We've criticized Beckett coming criticized buckle to criticize Lester early in his career from bad temple taking too much time before -- between pitches. Josh Beckett grabbed the ball goes. And -- the for not the first being -- tech usually knows where he wants to go with the shakes off that's so bomb right away he goes that it's just not fastball like are you are those who wants a curve ball ball goes right do it. But but said the positive it won the ball game the first time victor caught but COLT was disaster in Baltimore. They've gotten better and it will get better he continues to catch. That's the thing I was trying to talk about yesterday it in I hate to bring up the term catch -- -- -- works. But for Francona it's a very difficult. Decision that he estimate he's got to win as many games as possible and in the final six weeks every night is it is is that playoff game for them. To get into the postseason. So it's it's not the time to gamble on the other hand. If Martinez he's not behind the plate with Beckett and Lester at sometime during the regular season. How do you throw -- when you look at your line opens camp would put her pick up here we need every big -- -- and how do you do with game one of the. While -- -- it's a whole different hold a news. Policies -- you get days -- button multiple -- the plan for. So so you know if if he we're gonna run -- throughout their game of the playoffs. It would be with the full knowledge of them being able to work together for the year two or three to put the game plan together. You know. All the things you would you would you give yourself a couple days to do if you knew I was gonna happen what happened in the policies and so. I don't think that that's going to be is if that is the case I don't think that will be a problem if you think you wouldn't via a 4451 in -- game plan update. With -- and all that was exaggerated the death was not any it was a they would go through a long brought you know one of the things that that the reasons that this this organization has an advantage in my mind. Or lot of close when he gets in the -- season is is the network of -- And and the depth of scouting at this club does in the in the information. That is available to me is a pitcher and player going in to a series a five or seven game series when you know your place -- opponent for the next seven days. They go above and beyond -- for ways to present you with information -- you -- going -- and you know that John and and Josh both events you know to their own extent have gotten to be guys that -- used data it's -- different -- things but. But in during the season it's it's it's kind of every day grind you know -- those things in the policies. It's a polite and what would it have been like the other night in Toronto. 4 o'clock 430 actually. In the afternoon. You find out that Varitek can't go. Now suddenly Josh Beckett is notified the Victor Martinez is sketching and there's no John Farrell there. So now you've got Gary -- who's handling not duties. What happens of that exchange 23 of them and -- you don't try to get a little bit drift off and get a little alone time before what's what's but it. I mean I I -- I -- -- an issue for -- I mean I was all about -- of -- it's all right -- You know there might have been a little scrambling but you know and I in my have been one of those things that I write -- I -- -- represented says as a -- challenge that that you know help me kind of push myself pulled it. The act and do this -- whatever. I would imagine there was some there was some clustering you know Josh is very much. If he gets he gets along reality -- isn't an end and it's not it's not it's not preconceived it's not fabricated. He says he -- the you know these will be the best comedy pitches and that's that's by nature takes that the amount and that's something works with so. I would imagine there was some there was some some feathers ruffled but. You know. Nothing this is not something where you know he's done Ferrell and and and the -- staff and pitching staff. Go over each day you set up the series the first Davis series -- set up a whole series. And you have your individual meetings he stay with pitcher and catcher I did in that mine was usually. Four between four -- on the deck and it's through four hours for the game to force sort of the human stretching him and all the work that I did so. You know it I can only say personally what I would how would affect me it would have been a great thing but -- -- That's a thing if that means acoustic trio was -- wasn't between four let's say it was at six. Yeah I mean -- I'm sure what he said Becky Sheehan and it before the games you don't wanna talk to disguise while Rutgers team. You don't you just walks through it looks at that point it looked at me going it's they were the snippets tonight. And almost at announcers got that certain point -- 5:35 o'clock is that that's it I'm done I'm done talking about the game now mentally prepared opposite nightly -- has changed and and that's why do you think that was the biggest issue. League other night is the last minute. A pitch in the school this game play in the routine the messed up note John -- I think more -- forward if he's -- forced to do -- again look at -- -- -- -- that you -- I think use smooth transition and don't don't discount. That the the depth of knowledge that Jason has of the of the person. On the other the dialogue that happens on the day at its own people ever talk to or pitching coats the trainers in the -- on because there really what people are gonna give me any information was -- I was doing that night. I might talk to defensive player when -- quantity to it to treat positioning for first Pacific Ernest was would be about where specific situation. But there's a dialogue that that that I was in on the -- -- and with my comfort zone. That that extends up to the bullpen mr. can boost for the game. You know the big plus there is Gary tuck is always out in the bullpen Morgan Lewis for ball games -- he's around he knows environment knows the guys. So I don't know that that was as odd as as possibly. Jason and Mara Josh and and -- have to get to -- -- continued we wanna do. And you know I think one of the closest to is that Josh is a three -- pitcher. And I think that that probably helps a new guy coming in and again. The -- caught the last two Cy Young award winners he's not an -- he's a he's a veteran big league All-Star catcher. Who's caught some great pitchers. Tino and he's hit eighties hit against Jason DER against -- and he knows and he's watched so he wasn't going in blind and it was apologies were put down knuckleball I mean. So special orders -- is Terry Francona do here if if obviously if Varitek. If this neck is a real issue here they'll probably put them on the deal right and that at least will solve the problem for now. But how do you if Varitek is not kidding and he's hitting the way he did in the second half -- -- -- the second half of those two years ago. How do you get him in that line open and in heaven do what he does best behind a bright and yet still get the -- you've got too many guys right now for too few possessions. I have an easy answer for that and and -- I'd be interested in your -- take on this in the in the sense penalties under attack. It's just very pickles and dealings -- the next eleven days in the -- team has its 45. And deputy staff throws really well and Jason comes back. I would argue he might be one the few few guys who won the last guys you would hear from. On and on a daily basis about bits -- about playing time. Jason is and always has been a team First Act. An and I think if if he acted in a way that was the contradictory to that I would be one -- more shocked people on the planet. Yeah and I think keynote tech a lot of people said last couple days -- the neck injury on the -- whatever this just popped up because that's when you'll. I can tell you that Varitek has had a shoulder for about a month and a half in the neck for about a month. This has been bothering him now. For the last month and he's been playing because he. Deep down he realized that look at my dislike last year my office will struggle but I can still bring things that a team defense usually catch these big guns and it bothers him more -- -- -- analysts after an able left from the right side that French shoulders kill them. That is at its financial left psychic extension the ball away. Now the neck is an issue so. No I agree I mean I think. Is that what you do movement for if he if he can't go he can't go to night I think you do retro him. Back to -- fifteen to get to race of -- one and you seek is the next ten days going to be very important this ballclub you see what happens to keep winning games escorting nine runs a game. And I agree I don't detect a combat cancer Obama starting job back or test these guys. There's one catch deep down at the -- you'll go look at the situation and say he'll be -- nobody could gain here and there. But a victim maybe catch. Five we'll we'll get into a lot of stuff but during the course of the afternoon walking into -- -- his performance last night as well and the team. They hit again and against the very very good -- it and all of that stuff 61777908. That the toll free 888525. 08 that -- out of those Verizon Wireless phones. It's a great thing because it's a free -- WEE. I. At W dot council brought to you by -- cars -- -- and it was. Ira which won the IR Milford -- offer that he's picked up the new and soon the drinking water new vehicle yeah I know. That. Issues with are -- are sort of biometrics boys at this week's. Well I hate it's like the -- they actually use gas -- -- -- experienced -- I couldn't get -- deal. Couldn't -- you don't want to drop off three free cards or days of the Uga the closest thing to my deal. At -- Toyota of -- And of course we got appropriately we don't want allotted six -- -- -- up 79. 3535. We have been 92 break even time to get out of the men's room I thought. He. He uses fastball. Changeup. Early first two things real efficient. Innings three and four they've they've they've made him work but he didn't left the game. You know to -- -- too quick. There's a couple fastballs and used his pitches. Again and we knew going into this game that we need to have -- good game. And we did and he did a very good -- Terry Francona on a Clay Buchholz last but he did seem to rely on the fastball changeup. In a game all our lives those two -- -- reliable. I just love the Tito makes it's a simple it is really it is that is that there's some things that are just so simple for percolate. It will always be about his fastball command first and here too because of -- fastball command. He doesn't have to have agreed to into the still just abused people and on the nights when his change of not broken really while. They're very curve ball but it's all fastball command and it really is that simply -- fastball first two innings establish that. And when he can play around and and and and really trying to -- full Q and -- changeup and almost never throw it make you wait for it it's as -- hearing little sodium. But domestically and around and I think the big thing for him to is it is the last three starts is that the way that two seam fastball at least been thrown that pitch I mean. Yeah he with a great changeup you know you're always gonna be tough against lefties you know -- still those against right but still on the death of pitching and get left it way down from a lot. Now is that the two seam fastball stone a slider -- and decide last year -- -- some for the right handed hitters. But that two -- he can't live in the big lease with the force him all the time yet to be too perfect with the you know yet it's -- that -- the outset -- -- cornea with a two -- let the movement take place and get to easy outs there. Unless you have an exceptional command I -- united throat to zero for sixteen years they couldn't do I didn't have one couldn't do it. But he is point is is spot on in the sense that. Anybody with a great changeup always has trouble same -- hitters Tom -- -- when I was a -- feasible on our -- a couple of ten -- in club because it neutralizes changeup and it was best -- The two -- gives him. And it's -- and some some some funk on it it gives the right handed -- some have to think about and allows history to become a -- it's in -- it's readies its Justin Masterson and that's gonna be an issue for Justin. With lefthanded hitters you know -- typing but when you can't give up. When you can't get a hitter to worry about the outside -- the plate. And in making give away the inside portion and a plate these you know -- That's what Derek lol I think tip off to the next level great institution to throw on guys but he start don't cutter. Now that's that'd neutralize the left handed hitters they could just reach out and get the changeup that fades away of the two -- that fades away he stepped on cutter in lefties. The panic that the inside part of the plate back from those guys. And and I think that's what please do with the writings give it to seem downright. Is it safe to say that Buchholz gives this team totally different look if you can throw on the third guys certainly doesn't the playoffs if you destroy a third guy. Because there are a lot of teams that have real strong fours and fives anyway and and again for all at the the people criticizing it Brad Penny. He's a five that you vast really to move up the third best pitcher in this -- and that's probably on fired him. The strength for him is he's a he's of four or five who thinks like -- one or two out. And when he's not throwing well he think he doesn't want to think I mean he's he's a good -- he's he's a throw it and he's a guy that didn't you know debate they put him in a great spot. The thing you have to have easy you have and they and that and where clay needs to get in my mind is. You need to be sure that his bad day. Is a five inning four run nine -- game not a two needles into the third seven run five walk. Bullpen killer especially this late in the year you can't run people out there where your -- open. If I get five out of incidentally good about myself because of September. And I think will collate those -- -- you better for the sprint to the playoffs now you look at him in the three hole right in the playoffs your first the first series opponent probably going to be angels. They run. More than anyone okay and I want Brad Penny connection at their game the stealing nine bases again office guy I don't think he can't possibly get played well and I don't think you can -- clay he used they'll they'll throw to first base of the guys still -- there so. A little nervous and you can't argue that issue I haven't even looked at how it lays out here what you of that issue when those three games -- playing with Tampa Bay coming up. You've got to be concerned of Brad Penny winds -- -- post start it's like the angels are coming up at all. As Digisette they the -- the other one that I would worry about that you you might not be able to have me go in those games you might have to Alter your rotation and a lot of days off to be able to do that. I took a phone calls -- to make sure there's DNN hotline for stuff on today's picture a little damp. Baby is going up yeah. I'm not a whole lot speaker thank proper understanding. There -- -- -- rumor about the world -- -- -- that the jets are. What said the world that's gonna happen. Yeah he's two races. -- I'm yeah I'm particularly powerful -- I did not indicate that he was in double a ball and I think the best part about last night with actually hearing. In the end the day in the -- he looked afterward. You have got to do particularly after you -- you would rather they declared quote instead of Justin Masterson and nick Hackett known. -- -- -- you know kind of kind of point entered -- we can get just so much criticism but the need to look at the natural ability to spin the ball. And and and -- you know this is nestled pitching out you don't -- It's really pretty -- opening little little little little talked about him prone to choose you learn nothing effective. Well last night without his curveball. It looked like human victim were relying on the working -- that around 95 mile an hour after a lot of -- night I don't know you know you don't accuse you read that part. But it seemed like in the last couple start he's been able to move off -- certain pitches where he hasn't had a good. Curb the power you know maybe this change wasn't working the same way. It can mean to sort of like the progression of the kid on the mound so. You know I think the natural ability is it I think I -- sort of thing isn't that the professionalism is starting to catch up with the natural ability could. -- thank you didn't have any kind of curve ball at all but you get older. Yeah he's figuring it out of the he can't deny the upside. It was ever denied that counts and expected him to -- -- Mohammed -- easy guys had a phenomenal stuff and and they never get right always. -- never developed he's starting to use instant history it's star cluster early on -- in the mattress on the ground and and the ability to go out there without all of your pitches and win is as much. You know that's a that's a career changer. Internally as it is anything else you -- some -- or in the bullpen. Of the next step will be him understanding that regardless of what is working in the bullpen once he -- rating changes but buddies he's shown the ability to not have the curb on beat teams and but some can be set from an unbeaten now I mean that's that's a father and now some forgot. You talked with a two -- had net the slider to an hour spring training and talk with the your body's at times -- Slattery tightness Karbala minors but for some reason last year never got comfortable with -- and throw -- When you curve ball's not work -- that a secondary pitch to go to saw last night through. 32 -- a slider to international government groundout got him out of the inning just another weapon go to we can't find my curve ball that night. People -- But I think you start making sure you start to see this guy turn into something here because for the first -- -- -- put three good starts together. It's hackable isn't -- conference on the -- well stop the show conference from the get battered around. Now that you don't three together now -- comes to conference tip comes to result we saw that would Leicester last year. He'll mark April struggle also put three -- four together and that was it. That's funny you talk about going out there and and beating. Right holiday. And and I know before the game these same thing. Well not really going up against reality until lightly and still -- But like about this this Tippett stood at the good game against sabathia got game against Orlando and -- both of those games. I believe I studies looking at say I came back and pitched. This. And I always like -- always use. -- at. The -- from. And it's against -- game started I mean and there are guys and in your goals appears to beat those guys work. -- -- sit on Tuesday and he knows the Verlander it's Friday. It's like you got. That's a number of sports five wins it there's in the African Verlander. And nine hits they know I'm betting sites looked at the point all the network and displays that means I'm probably plane that allocated data and neck problem yeah. It's utility comes back. Out the one thing to be alert him that it is. Is I've never been a proponent of the of the of the -- force for its -- that's available master. And and I've heard a lot of people I was -- guys in the curve balls. -- one -- those two feet away from each other problem please feel for one the other. I'd never seen a lot MC a lot of guys like that had both very good curveball and a very good slider. Kevin Brown was the only guy -- beyond met via its its maps for the Tuesday forcing companies and as well as much thinking do you have to duke loses the fuel the early thinking. It's just that you know I developed the I could not only -- and make balls because -- through force for so long might finish was different. I was working on -- and that's been the opposite and you'd you'd naturally develop as you throw a sinker you develop a better democracy because your body treat your body to do its way. Her -- visitors and there are somewhat similar finishing movements for your hand. But they're so close the confusion -- you in the in the slower or. But it's that right right the -- -- There's a couple guys that throw the rules that that there are a mix between a soft slider or -- and NC in the but they're not good its -- -- -- -- the break the baton at its. But I'd never seen somebody be -- it continually masters either of those are both. It's all for it is the what you want him to do -- the tickets and had a one specific fastball. In it and by being it's a guy's gonna need to use in the right so. This kind of a dilemma because foresee fastballs to reform. -- -- the law of physics make that happen so for me never want to give -- velocity. More from was elected I could Don and nine at 6811. Balls across the plate when it was there guys. It does the same way every time some others when you fatigue currently democracy -- Did you ever have trouble in trying to get the proper velocity if you were taking something awful for the ball -- the separation. That you have is what makes it work right did you ever have a problem trying to get the proper separation so that you could confuse the. Yeah now my entire career and it's whenever -- -- -- -- that's why it was when I could not I could not. My cell to a hitter on a -- it was that this was the wind up like a Disney cartoon here and it ought to do this the Bugs -- wind up because it could -- I tried to slow aren't gonna protect. And it just it never work eroded if you changer in my -- because you have a right apparently ninety you know disposable like what it is today -- are guys who play the game curt -- an absolute. I'll tell by the jock sniffing through -- risk and the -- Besides -- -- Bradford seasons got you tiles. Of the candidates -- the ball. Well yesterday announced that loneliness and apparently agreed for autographs it's got the phone calls -- -- -- six wants them. 77 -- generally that the Georgian now westerly Rhode Island what's up George. What dot hey -- corporate don't want it do you wanna thank you leader and city and you will to win. You don't need that much time caught. Him on the hit. An eight out. Or should I didn't want. Pocket and Duquette is no last -- and you acquire all of payment of potential Hall of -- want anybody. And that put out and -- Now I -- you probably -- hear a product as it out what you feel him catching you. I don't you don't know you're getting a dog kill me at church at the radio. -- -- -- Nonstop. -- -- -- to its fullest electric in here. Georgians on. My question. -- George George. -- the ground ourselves to start right at the turn it off if they lose. -- -- -- president of it's like Clinton and Obama definitely got jealous and Cambridge Ellison. I think -- and Ed I. I was gonna start up at the time to flatten out early proponent. Of leaking the radio it's like. Well what what did when you tell Israel radio also -- a target to background. I would think so and other places where consensus that keeping devout Catholic taxi back well and -- Where's the good idea and community wanted to flooded streets and sympathetic about every little -- to -- -- to -- accurately. -- Oklahoma if -- going to play both guys and I've heard somebody -- say why they just have. Jason Varitek. Catch Clay Buchholz why would you do that based on the fact that you've already seen how the Victor Martinez and calls him to be ours is I can't I didn't let. I think what Francona. Was trying to do and he did not change the first the protection assignment for the first two guys in his rotation. Is probably felt with familiarity. The one thing he can depend on right now has been Josh Beckett. And John roster he didn't wanna change any of. Consider don't think -- opponent -- and -- The government decided apparently. And then to have its he'd like position. But we didn't run harassment did didn't want that was people that -- -- -- May not at the end of the black and of people talking about what are we gonna do. Why I'll tell you why because they're a lot of people. That did not want Jason Varitek to be back with his team did not leave the Eagles any value and yeah. And being able to do to manage a game. You know as a catcher for pitcher behind the plate some of that can be overrated time about debating that but. This you when you talk to these guys in pictures that you talked to hold off the record forget about public -- deductible probably torment over about the. Incredibly heavy but it's funny how people remembered it was not some political candidates and debate that. The phrase used. -- packet to listen to what has become somewhat more specialized but it doesn't make them but maybe in the same period kind of putting them specialized. The product there. But I don't think anybody's argued that the problem. Rob in the Red Sox. Is that Victor Martinez brings a very good back -- the slide and yet you've got amnesty has not been hitting so you need to find a way of. The line. And the fact that -- it's absolutely fantastic. Apparently can't activity that would -- -- didn't prevent. But close to have a definitely -- and -- -- but it certainly happened that you. Went back and you know after the twenty that in every day. I guarantee or else you haven't thought about it more than -- I mean it's one of those things that he runs through says 24/7 in and a solution and is now there's the best possible. And -- move the injuries that thing to remember right now although. -- trading deadline they have not have their starting -- -- the field yet. -- -- -- We don't know what ultimately the decision was this never federally make it yet and try to get an opposition and that doesn't have a bad than you coastal flood threat is announced -- those. Hey you dues you know Lowell set for awhile now PD was out in -- with. What when they traded for victor. Okay he's one of the best hitting catches in the game he's not one of the best hitting first baseman in the game he's one of the best hitting catchers. So to maximize that -- committee made its regular going to ago means the NASDAQ catching a lot more and it better but I. I remember we first talked about the acquisition Victor Martinez which -- global for the got -- maybe two months before they got you brought the point it was a good one in that. It only works. If Ortiz is not what he's been in the past if Ortiz and yet now suddenly Victor Martinez present at the right lot of it's not. Now you have difficulty because you've -- -- -- yourself when you start moving bodies around it does not it'll take out of line if you take -- Lowell out of the lineup. And moved Youkilis over to third and put kotsay -- was here at the time over first you weakening -- plus there's that. You know you've brought victory and never -- greatly needed offense apart she's gonna commander at the the slot yes and since the trade deadline is not -- -- -- straight -- he's only replace these replaced lol a true -- Pedroia and now. So you haven't seen it yet maybe we see at night you know he catches Lester. May be we see that ordered J. D. Drew complain again. May do we see which eighties -- seventh and Michael satan eighth. Mean that's the line that we envisioned when victim catches that we were gonna see you know I've Beckett said I don't know maybe -- you comes back injures out tonight out. I think that's deep deep the argument that would an analyst believes there's no question if you've got your full compliment of players. Victor Martinez from an offensive standpoint. Catching now. Is the biggest upgrade you get back tunnel for pipeline right and that's your biggest upgrade so that's what I'm trying to -- right now is the trade off. Of Jason Varitek and what he does to the pitching staff. Is it worth it to have him in the lineup and one of your hit especially now that David Ortiz is hitting with power again. Is it that tradeoff -- In order and yes if you did it the outcomes of the games of the dictator mean yes of -- for -- and great if the pitching staff find great I don't know. I -- I don't even get that deep into city because. But that's really what you might say comes back the results mean they're a better offensive team of advocates of one open we week -- week -- is no better behind the plate because that's the biggest upgrade right -- he's not gonna give you -- of upgrade of moral or all we're only cats and -- -- yes yes I mean. You're a much better opposite team with Victor Martinez hitting it decent there but do you is there -- negative in -- in that you lose something in what Jason -- -- -- -- -- earlier Victor Martinez -- the last -- award winners how much -- that -- -- are you gonna have. If Jason is still an influence. Outside of actually touching the pitches every that's the and I don't think it's much. For some guys to be a lot for others I mean again. I was I I played with you go for almost seven years so and and we on some bad teams in so. I was a lot of congress say who I wanted to catch because he want I wanted publicly about their that was more on the game and -- -- -- you know what -- of the 300 hitter where I mean that's. It's it's a rare of the bigger piece to me right now is that. Were allowed to have this argument. Only because of the manager the players involved if you had a a Milton Bradley in the next right here you know and six. You know. That is that is something that we haven't had to talk about and you had Michael talk about plane but both all the things you want to Michael I don't know what you want that you want the guys that target is the wanna play. But but where we're avoiding a month he hasn't that this was going on in New York the media would make sure that one of the players had a problem with. And and were not have revealed that you'd be -- We're actually talking about. Skill that that each one of these players bring to the table that's why I'm asking you tradeoff that would Varitek brings to the table. The missed the trade off here in this case to strike. Every -- but the trade off with a guy out of the lineup whether it's they weathering its -- you know whether it's draw -- up. Now you get your full complement back if if heretic is healthy is it a good tradeoff no right to bring Martinez and what -- -- biggest upgrade -- -- After asking right now is if you if you -- one depends slider scale. The difference between Jason Varitek and and Victor Martinez offensively but let's you let's say it's six points on that scale the difference between them touching. I don't know victor well enough you you've played -- you know him. Eat I'm going on the fact he's got to -- award winners he needs help intensity into the post season I would argue that might be a two or three points of the most difference so offenses now hornets for me is far bigger difference in the two -- and what about what it. You would not what I'd look at this team in the slot I think Tito needs to make sure -- seven guys in this deep and communication or eight with victor -- -- in other words I don't think you can goal. Varitek Nick Green Alex Gonzales in the bottom of the order you know -- -- Brian Anderson Casey Kotchman -- thousand bottom of the order so if J. D. Drew was out of a lineup. And you could potentially have I think victor has to catch you have to make sure we have seven guys -- -- occasional pass it -- -- catches the eight deep. It wanna Sammy I mean the bonds are haters of America doesn't like. No I think their ticket for tonight for example if J. D. -- can get a complaint field he gets tech and get -- eighth and and and play whatever maybe give some another -- well it finally it did that with six guys -- Oh well let's you don't some 151980. OK but just the problem and I think there's -- that but the the big that the statistical peace there is the bottom three hitters as a pitcher. In the nationally -- at 45 hitters words adding a third in the numerically it's -- -- it -- that's a big. -- you -- I think the other probably have to in the bottom third of the order would seem that whenever we struggled and actually. They win -- ballgame and the night you know why because the bottom third yours yet all three of those guys yes but when you -- knowledge you've got Nick Green in that lineup. You it's difficult to what the Jason Varitek that's out of the bottom third with one of those on the guys it really makes you -- national League One. Look at that first game at Toronto -- -- got David Ortiz batten stepped to the first it becomes up bases loaded nobody out 00 game. He hits a double -- scored four runs that inning. Now if the original lineup was technique greenhouse Gonzales and his nobody out -- bursting tech is up. In and he got Nick Green in any Alice Gonzales -- a good chance he began editing -- with the escorted rock you're right -- got its -- -- I would tell you this if you -- to play America. One of those five games with your five starting pitchers. I start him in the game that Josh Beckett is pitching one. Because may be there is a comfort -- second -- I don't have to worry as much about the alphabet -- was when Josh Beckett is I don't but there's a link but overall. If you're looking back to you scale he won six if you -- looking at along along the wall. Over the long haul is Beckett go to give up fewer runs in the recipes that. Giving us something that is -- thing a bit ago that means he can do that night but their comfort level. You wanna try to get -- comfortable with everybody's you can pick and choose when you wanna play tennis and that's that's it it's game one because like -- a game 18 adults and now it's like okay that victim be comfortable everybody and treated the way it is if if -- so if everybody's healthy in this lineup. You wanna give tech game game two whatever so be it. But if guys aren't healthy -- -- -- if if something comes up again with with with you -- of the joy yeah or Jason Bay. You need to have at least seven guys in the slot it. Not an easy decision to tell and -- -- the hard part is that you know I know. From a a fan's standpoint you turn treat these guys is -- statutes on the page from a personal perspective. You don't wanna send. 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