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Thu, 6 Aug 2009|

Michael and Alex share their thoughts on the steroid situation specifically with David Ortiz and the 2003 list.

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  1. David Ortiz1:54, 2:59, 4:07
  2. John Smoltz5:11
  3. Alex Rodriguez10:46, 11:08
  4. Barry Bonds8:08
  5. Major League Baseball2:47, 7:35
  6. Sammy Sosa8:06
  7. everyday player3:52, 12:03, 12:09
  8. home run hitter2:35, 3:55
  9. in home runs3:27
  10. GMC6:41, 7:23, 7:44

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mean and how good was indeed about everything. Is an everyday amaze any -- it. Listen most of America disagrees with the result ratings yesterday. Most of America does in my three high ratings in my two not so much so you're in America's right. 61777. Guys -- that is the number toll free 888525. Terrific -- details on vacation. Alex -- from WPI dot com is here and Alex was just telling me. Why as a baseball player you're not should be not you shouldn't be concerned if the government calls and says her name is analysts continue place.

I mean basically I think that maybe you should mediation but I think that we should hear from the man before we you know before I got nothing -- I agree with -- air problem I mean. But then you know like why are you going to start a lawsuit in order to -- in order to get records. You know. Of a test if you don't think that you tested positive board and a lawsuit itself would bring help a lot of attention to you. And the idea that you are on some kind of list so you're telling me David Ortiz is gonna sue somebody. I mean in order you have to sue somebody in order to gain access to the records. You're you're buying this thing altogether you're buying this story -- this bad that he doesn't know what he tested positive yeah. -- At least until I hear otherwise like until I hear from the man. A given the benefit of the doubt and assume that he doesn't know what he tests well before.

Now listen okay I know people -- said to me. I was crazy. For not thinking that Dave Ortiz. Did anything between Minnesota and Boston. That this rise from an eighteen home run hitter to a franchise record setting 54 home runs slugger was very natural. And I and I use. As as my argument as my defense well there is testing a Major League Baseball you may not be comfortable with the test you may think it should be tougher. But there is testing a baseball and this man is not failed a test so -- unfair before there's any information out there is unfair to say that David Ortiz. Did anything to enhance his performance. But you find out that his name is on this list. I think I think I think he's fair game I think everything -- on the table he's absolutely don't -- game did you not know. Packaging not think that something is going on package and not think and I don't lose. What he took. And he tested positive in 20032003. There's a career. He sets his career high in home runs and he's he reset their career high in 04 and reset to an O five and reset that -- 06. God. Was an average guy before it.

well I think that's a flawed perspective and its own right you don't there was an average guy in terms of his overall productivity like if you look at. At what he was doing in Minnesota likely Moroni is said this a bunch of times rejecting yet that's exactly yeah I -- this -- an everyday player would have been like a 35 you know 3540 home run hitter in Minnesota. Number on the -- who was on the outside of his career now Mike I wanna make something clear I'll get I don't know whether or not you know I I am withholding judgment okay I'm not saying that I think that David Ortiz is clean in this matter but I'm not saying that -- note that he you know I'm not saying tonight. I know what he took or that I know that he should know what -- When I'm waiting for what I'm doing is I'm I'm waiting for the process to play itself out because I think that anyone who's accused of something. Has that right even if it is a positive test even if we know that he tested positive for something we should listen to the man's defense before we judges so.

It if you are writing the column on this. You could write a column on that's what you're saying you couldn't have I would say -- interview we should withhold judgment yeah. I think the fact you avoid. I had -- commitment. The Hulk that's all right Harriet. Talk radio station -- columnist. You have haven't -- you have you. Yeah and my and your opinion is not to have an opinion until you have more information my opinion is being used as it should not rush to judge. That. That went down its -- organizer -- the number 203888525. Draper in the Red Sox play the Yankees tonight for game series. John Smoltz is on the -- And his her opinion on dobbs about the wait until we have a little more information before we say that he's not a very good starter. For the reds -- hundred to about that.

I think -- I think that the world is very complex place that should I simplify I agree I agree. See I think that there are elements there that -- have promised but it at this point we can't assume it you know developed and let's bring you guys in here let's take some calls let's start off with. Ron -- in the car was gone around.

At -- Just that. To talk about David Portuguese and a very logical regional why she. Wants to wait to see at least test this forest because possibly -- more than once sanctity only took one thing they didn't. -- I don't think that's why he hasn't said it.

Well I think that it's fair to say that you know if he wants to see whether or not this is this is indeed something that he tested positive for they would be found in an over the counter supplement. You know there was something like nandrolone which is found in a bunch of of over the counter supplements and I had I had some doctors telling me you know in the late ninety's and early 2000. You know. There is basically everything that you can buy and GMC has has steroids and it's completely unregulated by the government and you know and they're varying degrees of -- it's a mess you know you can be getting stuff it's incredibly spiked or stuff that has almost nothing in it. When it's in the I think it's fair that he wants to see whether or not he has that because whether he took some working or not intentionally. You know if he has that available as if he only tested positive for something that you might find in supplements it has the plausible deny ability to.

Okay but about bonds the canal and and I agree with you you said earlier the world's very complex place we all know that. It and nothing is usually. Nothing is as it appears exactly. But that's. If you took so you -- the GMC. Every day in 2003 David Ortiz did this you know once a week he stopped by -- she'd pick up some others. Medimmune -- And -- there's no testing in Major League Baseball if you did that the Robert coming out and saying. I don't know exactly what I tested positive for. But I know it was something from GMC. Because I know. I only took supplements I never injected myself with anything. I think people would say are there might not believe bump but that's taking a stand on David Ortiz is part he is telling you. I took a supplement. Over the counter. I was not with Jose Canseco was now with Sammy Sosa. Not -- Barry Bonds no Greg Anderson here. None of this Victor Conte -- game of shadows. Just up that you can do as you go down the street. That the Bally's. -- I think people will be on its side it would happen when there's some skepticism but the silence.

Are there is skepticism with the silence but it you know he did say at the time in his statement that based on his based on the way he lives his life he has surprised by the positive test. In the read into that what you want I don't wanna read into it though that's not my problem we all want answers might but and.

Necessarily need that a full Monty. I don't want that's a vague statement that is at it it's a statement. Good Ortiz the reason people love one of the reasons people -- people up because the clutch player -- blob of got a big smile. People -- on this because he does great things for charity -- enough. But there's something. Authentic. About -- absolutely. You seem like he seems like you guys you can have a -- would -- hang out with David Ortiz and just talk for real. He's not a guy who released statements. That could be. Open to interpretation. That are kind of abstract -- mean that the mean that doesn't mean that usually tell you what -- me in a very colorful way. You don't have to give us all the answers. But don't hide behind a statement -- They don't hide behind what I wanna tell you -- really wanna talk but. You know this is this is complicated in the lawyers want that.

Meanwhile they'll differently if and if in three days or seven days he comes forward and has a -- you know a full press conference in which she takes every question imaginable over the course of thirty minutes an hour. Everybody a little differently ever write a little differently but won't necessarily mean based on the -- the government of vote differently because. That's how it goes no that's not worse -- that's a bit out with a commitment that he's made. He said yeah he's -- he has said that that is what he's going to see that he is going to address every question available so. Until he until we see otherwise. You know I think it give it its its a difficult thing if you're accused of something. In a public guy and if it affects the way in which -- perceived in the public fashion right and I think that you know it's I don't have problems with the man. Taking time you know trying to get as much information as he can so that he can be as clear as he can about setting the record straight. If indeed he does set the record straight. And I think that you know all of the kind of all the kind of -- that's being you know sucked out of you know all the ups and it's being sucked out of the -- about this topic will seem pretty.

And there. Did you feel the same way about Alex Rodriguez. Did what went when when he. When his name was on that list. Did you think at that point. Everything that is happened in his career is not fraudulent. Just because he was on 2003. List. Or did you say to yourself I wanna hear what Alex artery test assailant that I want to. Adapt your Herbert Alex Rodriguez had to say he's that there answer questions to answer every question. Eight into every question the answer every question to people satisfaction probably not. How did you feel after you heard his press conference.

I've felt that it was you know he deserves credit for having said yes I used in for having said why and you know I still have some skepticism I guess about whether or not it was confined to the three years in.

Question if if if David Ortiz says yes I used. In 2003. Does that diminish him as a ballplayer but does that take away 2006 is the take -- 2004 in your mind. I think it there's there's going to be more shadows cast upon what he's done this group which may be unfair but it's unavoidable. Yeah I think it's. I think he becomes not says I -- short. I managed image and about the numbers and extrapolating those numbers and if he's an everyday player in Minnesota maybe he's got 3031 home runs. But with that said he was not an everyday player there's a reason those guys are not everyday players I can't get over this.

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