Dale and Holley's Opening Segment

When can they get Michael boat named here to make a start. For you Michael Bolton and -- maybe if five days from now -- human hair make a Spartan. Where you know at this it's just that it it it is the way many times Red Sox Nation operates. And that knee -- snapshot reaction. Well -- ninety pitches to get through four innings wickets how many Yeltsin here. Which is how we usually.

And it just can't it can't. They'd just cap touted as not only that it yet on -- to picket the pitching issue right now you know place struggle very good yes today but they can't. Yeah I struggled a bit and I believe we got squeezed on and a couple of situations but. You know that's what happens happens to all pitchers -- young and old but the offense. The offense has disappeared. What's the story.

You know we said Saturday we said yesterday that we couldn't name a Red Sox player whose hitting actually that one -- Michaels the one -- since he came off the eliciting port 29. He can run a move very well but he's the one guy who is hitting I mean top to bottom the other eight guys in the batting order nobody's doing anything.

But you know what Adam LaRoche is gonna change all of that because he's in great. He's got a great hitting -- right now do you see is numbers that were the two. I know it's a big second half -- numbers 104104. Core. Since the fourth of July. In an -- for you know for twenty -- stretch in there. Just terrible. He sounds like 00 yeah it's not like you're really fired up the bear -- rule one on that on now and in essence an and a JD -- sounds like revival preacher and like one antidepressants is what is what he sounds like compared this guy he's -- common. Route forward going over there -- those guys really.

Now it's funny because I I I was like to go with guys who have knowledge base to work from and I read. -- Jason -- comments about Adam LaRoche and played them in Pittsburgh knows them. And he says you know he's just that the eagle country boy and sometimes it seems like he's movement in slow motion. And I think it. If you try to build up here to help us that doesn't sound like they are and sound like guy anybody's out -- excited. So like the Red Sox are really. Overly excited about audio there's these stock and about it didn't cost a lot to get down he can help us against right handed pitching. Well interestingly enough both Sean McCadam in The Herald and nick apart when the below. I have similar takes that that this could actually be the precursor to something bigger. Now I I understand the the underlying premise which is the haven't yet. You know partied with any of your major prospects. And so you still have a lot of trade capital available to -- I understand the overall premise. Neither guy really gave me much evidence of that in the back that they haven't traded away their their top prospects yet that there's something growing.

You know Peter Gammons had an interesting report yesterday it was breaking down this animal Roche deal. And you mentioned. That that this had been in the works for a few weeks. And the Red Sox and pirates were were finally able to agree on it Annie -- made it sound as Arafat. This performance in Texas really convinced the of the need to go forward with this. But he also says. That there was the there was the possibility. Of a Victor Martinez -- buckles trade and the Red Sox -- The reds talked about wanna make a deal so we talked about that yesterday. And not knowing and not knowing that that -- had that report. And the Red Sox know you you said you'd make the -- I'm not I think that's crazy to trade. Like buckles for a guy. You might not have that on. Who is already thirty years old and is not a special hitter he's a good hitter he's a very good theater but. This is not one of the a league hitters in Major League rate.

I keys I I agree with you I think he's that good I I would be very apparent this area very good hitter. You think that that it takes some of the pressure off and I don't I don't mean there's and reading about this every -- You're catching situation is coming up for for some debate here probably soon.

That's such a guy though that got hit you wouldn't be you wouldn't be happy with Victor Martinez is or capture. As you're at as -- up All-Star -- you would be happy with him with his bat right. You would not be happy and even if you were happy to pitch and that would Josh Beckett would -- you Jon Lester would like it. Daisuke anybody's going to be here. Would not be satisfied with his performance on the --

I just I've I think he allows them he he upgrades the minute in a number of areas as we've talked about ten catch can play first. Can be you know DH I don't know how much you don't want David Ortiz.

DH but you know to me you don't you don't trade a top prospect. A top three prospects like Clay Buchholz were backup player. If you tell me agrees with apparently yes if you if you tell me you're training. A prospect like that. What an impact player either in the minor leagues so you trade impact pitcher for an impact. Slugger who's on the doorstep of the major leagues just like Clay Buchholz is. Or you trade that guy. For somebody who was able to come on the Major League roster in -- do some damage immediately somebody's going to the event whether it's David Ortiz Mike lol. Or J. D. Drew somebody sit down because this guy can't be held back and what you're saying is. In -- comply again some time for Victor Martinez here's some hair and a lot of three days a week.

At the risk of being blasphemous. Okay. And I know in this town it's considered blasphemous in some parts one fewer requiring Victor Martinez not to back up but be number one catcher. -- You would be happy with well you would you would you would gain in one area and you -- lot and yeah except the other guy wouldn't be gone. He wouldn't be he wouldn't be away from the preparation of the pitching staff and all let's stop. He wouldn't be catching -- much he'd beat back up catcher here which let's be honest in the offseason. The number of people Red Sox Nation want him gone Perry.

Right. But that's that's the only time you can move Jason Varitek in the -- you can't do it in season if this were fantasy baseball I do the deal on the second fantasy baseball not to worry about captures the RA and his relationship with the pitching staff getting the instructions from John Farrell. I just go ahead and say better hitter here. Upgrade Victor Martinez over Jason Varitek but in real life. It would be disaster. It would be crazy will be chaos in that clubhouse if you brought in Victor Martinez in July. But Jason Varitek on the venture captain on the -- condone. Tito couldn't sweet talk Varitek. He couldn't sweet talking. Mike lol any other any of the other guys who become a Varitek defense it would not fly.

Reading Ron Borges is peace and -- today it doesn't sound as though although the words coming out of Michael's smile with a right words according to Borges. Facial expressions the the the physical latitude. Indicated that Michael's probably not elect cranked up about this I mean he's a guy who in the offseason if you've got Mark Teixeira was likely headed uptown and and Tito even adult acknowledged two -- That you know that that -- that required some smoothing out so in the offseason he thought you know listing to -- around. Not to bring in a guy who who in a worst case scenario here is gonna mean. Less at bats -- less games for Michael but he may be fine with that -- probably Carty at that this question about what went up -- as we're just not. You know we're gonna we're gonna make sure we keep yet -- in helping as I said he's the only guy hitting since he came off the DL but. But this is gonna mean less games forum now maybe he was expecting that anyway but I don't know how many --

Yeah it's it's either going to be him. Or is going to be Mark Kotsay somebody's gonna be affected. By the presence of Adam -- now -- look at Adam Rocha know he's had some great second halves have been people of thought about that. But he's not the kind of guy who can come in and play every day over Michael. So I don't know and I don't they intend I don't think lol is upset about I agree -- it's probably upset because. He's not gonna be able to play every day. But he should. I understand the react to the initial reaction maybe in three weeks or month or month and a half they'll say it was the right move because that -- a lot better when I am not there. That's like I can take some more chances. As opposed to playing every day and I and I -- have to hold myself back if I'm going to be out there the next day.

Michael's a smart guy he certainly knows that the the acquisition of animal -- does mean less playing time for Kevin Youkilis. I mean he can he can do some figuring on -- owners mark I've been around the game a long time he knows it means less playing time for him. Now I think he's kind of been -- that long before this. I think Tito's party indicated you know what we we ran out they're too much. Before he went on the DL we're not gonna make that mistake again we're gonna take care of them so I think he's known anyway. But not you bring -- and and as he -- while I knew I was gonna play some -- might play a lot.

Let me ask your question about this team. You know big picture question. And I think it has something to do with two championship. Because that Red Sox won two championships since 2004. They're not as likely to make. Dan Duquette -- move to -- Dan Duquette. Is -- it is you lifelong Red Sox -- grew up in a backyard playing with a ball he was a Red Sox his brother was the Orioles you know. Always want to be the general manager of the Red Sox. -- When they hadn't won a championship and he's the Steward of New England team trying to make some oh I'm gonna take and chances -- farm system. -- its -- forget that when movies guys and try to get somebody who's who's gonna help us win outside now give Manny Ramirez. All the money he wants a let ESPN hang around make a full autonomy of all I get on the modern day Jimmy fox and he put it so he was more. This susceptible. To these knee jerk move. Is it passive. On on the part of the -- Epstein this day. We won two championships since 2004. Were two games back of the Yankees. Even if it doesn't work out for us this year we still have the health of the franchise haven't done anything stupid. I haven't traded away clay buckles Michael -- in I will go get a lecture is that -- of course that intelligent.

I was gonna say it might be passive but it's also true. Doesn't make him wrong if it is passed non. It if you made that statement that you just that sweeping statement right he'd be right. He'd be he'd be right he has done anything stupid he hasn't traded away its four best prospects he hasn't got at the farm system in fact. All indications are. He has progressively built the farm system the reason they were able to trade -- Janice. Is. Well stocked at shortstop they just gave the Cuban. Exile in real and I'm I'm I'm using him date they have a bunch of them if one's not. Including the Cuban kid who they just gave the largest signing bonus. Anybody's ever been given. And from from the Dominican like -- as the abdomen eight point two million dollars. You know they've got him at that got guys that got up now maybe not probable will pan out to be what you want to yes but be. But you know what you're saying chances are. I mean I got freer for like thinker -- you know pretty good prospects here I can afford to give up that one. It was their body and Boston yesterday. Decrying the package that that field gave up to get Adam LaRoche and I like Adam LaRoche -- that's beside the point was anybody got all of us how to give up. -- Strickland and -- excited that for many.

Not I didn't hear that. But I guess my question for you is then and I think I know the answer. Is there going to be anything dramatic this year for a while I thought they should get into their Roy Halladay sweepstakes and as you said earlier atop the show. -- Sean academy Annika part of both right about this but I don't think anything dramatic is gonna happen with this team I think it's going to be tweaking. From here on out.

Well let me ask you this. Would currently be dramatic yeah.

Yeah happy dramatic absolutely against. Because of your brain and Cliff -- not that you know you don't know -- clip it. What I remember we had a question for how to -- how they got about rotation. I mean doubly so -- only to -- callers said that art Cliff Lee comes and -- is -- issues he you know he hasn't been the Cy Young award winning lately. Which you've got by all accounts one of the best pitching coaches in the game. At the consolation prize Ripley is the consolation about it would it would it would cost you in my opinion -- last -- right and and -- you wouldn't be -- stepped down for Alan I'm not trying to make that case. He's like a different stratosphere it's not like you're adding Paul Byrd. You know instead of Roy Halladay I mean if it if lately with the will be prizes that a felony. Not to go on from in it is you're going from a tan. Halladay about a seven. 77 and a half yeah yeah. So and you're giving up -- were of those top flight prospects given up -- you're gonna start Buchholz. I mean I I. Apparently apparently it like adamant. There's something about got to buckle block was mean to you were not at all not let the dot I I don't know -- now you don't. If you're not gonna brand eye on some people obviously.

And and it's just -- He has his Major League track record has been pretty spot. Now he's eaten at the internationally alive this year no doubt about that he's done everything he could do at that level. They -- at that you know he has the goods. At the Major League level and it and please don't misunderstand I'm not saying you can and one -- you do what you can throw a no matter what it took that he did throw. I think it has -- colored our opinion of him as a Major League pitcher I think that we we looked at that September night and we all. It. I mean and and the point -- yesterday I don't even think he's close to John pastor. And in terms of abilities stop. I don't think he's -- now some people lighten and that and the -- every artist you like them a lot the Red Sox while they think he's Jon Lester but they like him a lot more night.

Jauron I think they'd think he has the stuff that in terms of development now he's not we're Lester isn't investors in the big leagues and has counted on as. As 18. Did Josh Beckett. And Greg buckles is just the ace of the Pakistan.

Right right but but he's got about immediately got some stuff so he's got a no I'm not saying he doesn't it in -- best case scenario. He's -- number three starter. And -- number three that'll I don't I'm saying in a best case scenario he's your third. I think that if he ever got its act straightened out he's your fourth. Behind --

Well we don't know what he's going to be playing it once he matures -- mean nobody. Yeah you didn't think when you first saw Jon Lester pitching here and you saw him struggle to get through five. And you saw him throw a lot of pitches and had that one inning where things go wrong for him. You know at that time -- sail away and I I see it. I'm man Jon Lester is he's going to be an -- one -- I remember what was that last year. Last year Lou -- being on the stationing in on much baseball you know. Blue on the station early in the season looking at -- saying I don't see yet. I don't see it he's missing out --

Well it's funny it's any luck if you developed if you look at John blasters record this year it's like he's seven. I'm such lot of John -- report -- he's seven. Well he is 87 can't deny that I can't capture -- it's still think. Like you -- packets one this -- one I think Lester that.

Have one of those Dale Arnold John -- moments with yourself. Not to look at the record and say exam will -- seven bodies better than I -- back.

More I know I and I freely admit that it's hard from argue if people said to me come on Gailhaguet disease 87. I think he's he's really good. I'm I think he's better than that I think he's he's ace material. Now going forward you've got a legitimate question here. And edit your Red Sox fan I know you you with -- and while it's gonna take this money of course you're gonna do you Josh Beckett to re sign here. I mean. You know you got next year left and then all of a sudden that guy who was clearly your pace in most people's -- Maybe stays maybe doesn't mean it may be that you don't have as hip deepen -- here the united -- deepen aces it's all. A year from now when -- economic outlook. Packets that he's gone free agency at the end of the season now okay Lester still here I skate still there may be Buchholz is the guy at that point -- elevates in the process.

Just trying to decide Josh Beckett. I don't you know I never ever ever when you regret that talk about money don't mention -- Don't mention. Now you can only time you talk about bunny be the Red Sox -- that you can say as we don't have as much as the Yankees would join the club nobody that's the one it's got plenty of money. And the reason you don't sign people is because you don't want to. Have nothing to do with we want it to sign -- but we can't so please.

I I'm I'm not trying to make that argument my my argument is more along the lines like Jonathon apple. And I have no reason to believe that's perfect example where out where they probably wouldn't want -- well and I think he's gonna. I think he's gonna get every last nickel he can yet. Out of this next contract in the Nick Price himself out of that. Out of what they think is proper value for for what he's gonna bring to the table especially if they think they've got a kid coming up right behind him. Who can do what he does for a lot less money I mean -- reasonably Beckett is going to be that -- in fact just the opposite evidence would indicate. He's not looking for every last dime he wouldn't -- this extension that was the case. I mean we all that and some money for Josh Beckett and he seems like you under assault and -- fear that -- a personal question. --

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