Tue, 30 Jun 2009|
Free Agency looming for Jason Bay and a few Celtics players, plus adding Rasheed Wallace.
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With the Celtics have been would be with the with the team -- going to pay him -- me and my guess is he's waiting to last moment because as agents out there trying to seek those opportunities as you should feel that -- I don't blame for doing that. I'm just the more I think about it I'm I'm wondering. Why would he leave unless he's going to get a and I could be totally wrong maybe there's a team out -- that the that looks -- events as we we think he's midlevel exception I just don't. I just don't see I just don't see him getting that mid level except --
The other part is a few seasons scenario that might be you know half a million more or maybe millions more and he looks more -- Maybe that's company can do maybe you don't athletes have been known to say okay got to prove myself from. You know the other situation I have here is nice seems comfortable we have a chance when chairmanship of a good role on the team. You know maybe an extra ten minutes of playing time.
I think the only way he gets that extra playing time is to be placed one of those -- claims that we're talking about which takes -- to Iraq he plays for a good championship contending team out there. He does one thing and he does it great he's a tremendous shooter. But he can't handle global -- the size of a point guard but he's going to -- that Jason thing that they keep on talking about Seattle because apparently he lives in Seattle yeah and so they talk about him going to -- Figure this out. If Jason -- who right now news. You know is not negotiating and we hear rumors that the two sides are there any All-Star break which would makes sense could you get some down time there aren't -- But -- that far apart. And you're looking at major market city in in Boston. Why would Jason Bay and up in Seattle. Like Seattle and Asia pay him -- cute but as Seattle willing to go.
It's gonna come down years but it always does at this you know these guys. I'm sure they'll love dull they would rather it's just don't think I would rather overpay. -- 03 years maybe even -- fourth year option and give the guy five. And it just but just how they -- and and people -- going to do it Mark Teixeira. Yes you're right they were gonna do with the market you're younger by year's open at different position you know a gold glove first based music you know. Get that first baseman he can plug in the for years. Corner route theaters Jason -- and I'm sure that of the bring them back but they don't the Red Sox will move on things will be okay it's not the end of the world and they have the resource what's that -- come back exactly do you think there's any chance. That they end up working something -- perennial star ethic that's when you're gonna start resuming at the rate now there Ari. In the context might have been made to him that's -- that's which in numbers together regroup will put ours together regroup. We'll make it.
deter offers that we heard about from the two different sides are correct. That it's February which was a ten million a year for three years with the Red Sox may be an option for four. And the Bayside was looking for -- five or six years at fifteen million dollars. The Red Sox number no doubt is going. Right I'm not sure about the years exact but certainly the annual salary is going up right -- be going up to 1213 fourteen somewhere on there. -- Page numbers going up again is -- to go out as well you would think.
But -- have to but the problem you have also is that you haven't had as much of it in the history free agency is there's. The agent has to take into account the economy I don't care what what you say about the -- going to be. Less money out there in the long run for for a guy like can I great and that's a that's a different that agents haven't had to deal with that agents have had to do -- nothing but. Prices going up that's basically it's it's what my mediator so you know even. Even that situation the agent's going to be sharply and the players got to be realistic so.
Well to do things he's not facing the same economy that to share faced it was much better for this year a second of all because this is worst now. Com the second part of it who brought up as it's different position so to Sherry had form more value. On the market out there than a corner outfield they're easier to find those corner outfield music and they can they can. But if your agent -- more about the economy. That left field spot in the state that's the.
It's the Yankee factors -- Johnny Davis off the books -- it was up the -- seems like every year the Yankees take and point thirty million off the -- W the put toward you are right on a cell. These that that's the biggest issue. To me you know you talk about the carpet at the economy west of the -- economy was still struggling the biggest thing with the Yankees were involved the Red Sox were involved. And you had two small cities like a Baltimore and Washington small market teams are willing to -- And his -- is going to be sadness and look at this money coming up the Yankees going to -- the Yankees and Red Sox face the up this entire thing no doubt the Red -- numbers coming up that fourteen range but I'm not sure about the years on May be in 50 -- much of the years ago -- changed.
That's why don't think you get a deal I do think that they probably get a better idea. Here on a couple of weeks as to where each side. Stands right now. I just don't think -- get a deal done because if you are based agent. Your whole leverage right now. Is the Yankees that the fear rivalry of the Red Sox that they're the ones that command and create the market. Yet.
Especially if you don't make the playoffs now there's more pressure on the Yankees and and we know that. The European any any top flight player elected to share some they going to be in the market there is especially if that only the playoffs that that's going to make even more. Of an impact on opposite going to have big dollars -- taken off the books is used as central thing you know much Julian and Davone. You know present some big dollar.
if you're if you're Jason Bay's agent reds are scum you about the economy and everything else she readily go through coming -- enrolled he had them. -- times -- ballpark I you guys facing the economy that's a Tampa is a Detroit is if you're still sell in this ballpark out. You know -- is it affecting this club and I know it is in other areas I realize that but that's going to be another big thing to worry you're still -- this place out.
Men do the differences also with the economy last year it wasn't as. It it was bad but it was a fresh in the minds of the team you know this was something that that crashed humid summer whatever last journal but before that. It's not that you're you're not talking about familiarity with the would be. Economy as you have now now it's it's much more entrenched in the minds of a lot of teams that book against the Yankees -- the Red Sox of the.
Yes the Yankees I think our room oblivious to all that I think they would they would be the one team. Again I think if -- of the Red Sox. And I know people are gonna say is that going to jump balance it off whenever they can right now I just think like him. I'm not sure that's going to war right now unless you you know just blow the doors off some deal where you come up with. Eighteen million a year -- five years or what. If it did its way now is because Jason Bay wants to stay here yeah and I'm not saying if it doesn't get done is he's not saying I don't want to be here but if it gets done. I think he'll probably end up leaving a year and a table and maybe a couple million -- million dollars per year on top of that why would he do that that the structure that's the question unless you unless he does not have enough faith. In his own ability for the second half of the season as you know what this is good enough for me right now. This is plenty of money this is all I -- I love being here. You know what happens in regular the second half of the yeah right what happens in my production drops and all right it can't happen what I'll play like it may be -- yeah -- I just don't. I just don't sense that I don't because the icky factor. If his if his agent is is is a good agent agent is looking at the Yankee factor. As being the leverage that the tips all of this in his direct all the beauty through the Tutsis and save the economy -- affect -- yankees but didn't we just to about the Red Sox don't -- having two more -- prices it does put to a lesser of three -- end because they sold so -- those luxury boxes the answer or are bringing it for more revenue they were -- So there are a little bit differently pre sold while those boxes before us but they argue yes and it is no doubt it's written on every team just not as -- We look -- if you look at some of these teams look at some of these -- And I -- commission was crazy when he said you know tends to -- down 20%. But in the yen. It might be somewhere between you know 1020%. Which is pretty amazing baseball has -- that well now it's older ball. So I think between them between that happening right Jason Bay negotiations and the Celtics and free agency will open up. Tomorrow in the NBA you already hearing tons of rumors are good -- the the next him Jason Kidd that's. But it's certainly about this -- it.
And Pittsburgh you're expected 15004. But about how they make in his -- less than Toronto. -- many people shall never in contention the report. We have 3665. And that's what they tell us 59000. Things don't you know I've I've always I was 15000 down here in Tampa and you looked up in the stands and -- as a play elect me and there's nowhere near seven -- Marla -- nationals last night. 10000 -- them right back just -- tickets distributed about them not tickets sold through. -- talk about those just looking at through the Red Sox salaries. You know you and I know the economy has taken a hit in 0743. Million in 0833. Million. In 091 when he won this year those salary is going down anything particularly the economy itself is showing it is another one and angels Rangers tonight. Birthplace on the one and at the in Texas last night 16000. In a little 60000.
And we're going to -- into into. This is -- April when kids are still going to school and so it's difficult for people to get babysitters leave the house you know do whatever. It's this is the prime time right now. You're getting close to the fourth of July here where where people who are usually. Are filling up those ballparks it's a little frightening. And and that clearly is going to have a a factor in all of this question is. Is -- a major factor. For Jason back if the Yankees are involved. In this negotiation at all and Jason Bay is going to pay for a lot play for a lot less money at him.
Jason Bay is our third baseman -- yankees are looking to replace Iran its right yes but unfortunately Matsui gone Johnny Damon gone to Alfred. Two outfielders now you stuck with you know Brett Gardner Melky Cabrera in center in Houston say we need we need some serious pop to make up positive lack of production we get it -- Yes there's going to be a player.
So that's what I just don't -- and I think it's great that that hopefully the two sides will get together and they'll get enough. As to where each side is what I'm not sure until. The Yankees factory and we won't get that until November 15. I'm not sure there's movement I don't. A -- as you said there Jason Bay takes this hometown discounts as you know I love Boston largest indoor place and I want to stay here.
But even if there even enlisted there Friedman girls party that's at twelve its original million dollar discount that's a lot of money that's -- It's. You know the beginning of the season they were five million party year or actually she's more that there were a lot more 45 -- You know there if there are still ten or fifteen million apart after this is both. Boldly considerably both have gone up. Why would he take their chances no incentive whatsoever for him to get a feel totally.
Again if the Red Sox started I think it'll come to the table here. It two weeks and discuss. A higher annual salary I'm not sure the guys were -- years of -- They going to sit here you'll illegal five or six years so when you look at total package. Of what the Red Sox -- and offer even two weeks of as yours that you're gonna put the years and considers that the total package works. I'm sure it's actually going to be anywhere where he's going to sit there and say. That we -- we're ready boy it's meant yeah let's let's go badly to -- who were -- read a ten year program that maybe I'm an accurate statement that Leo what do you make. But his -- it's going to look at wedeman. Teixeira and I agree that stage it probably does as well that he's not worth -- are right the sheer. 880. Million dollars would be safe to say you're talking about. Thirty million dogs are. Billion dollars. If you -- to say the -- double or offered even. Typical Beatrice immediately it unfortunately -- the deal of the wouldn't -- this is is age is brought a look at an insane. Worst case scenario would got a ramadi 200 million blacks because you know to sharing ordered 85 million. Guys at least like you know 60% of the players that she says that 60% as valuable as this year as. But it doesn't work that -- that's not the way it works it works when you have competition you have leverage and the reason that he got a 185 million. Because the -- actually put up 160. And Baltimore which would put up under fifteen million watching it was about 45 yeah so. There was competition. -- reads the bar and created a market. For Mark Teixeira bay needs the Yankees to be able to create the market if you want that and -- what. He could use them. The Yankees if -- won't even -- you organs -- with -- you know how -- such a Teixeira obviously used the Red Sox right to get to the Yankees right. And the Yankees -- would tonight and if if -- open up the salary of the Red Sox at -- medical care so so maybe just some basic. Combat the pirates. I think the Yankees. Play 100 million box so I'll wait until after the fifteen. Today exclusive period. All the -- to the table a hundred million bucks -- the Yankees and it didn't and that the Red Sox and under what really.
The Yankees could be the team that gets in the extra year you know you look at -- a four year deal what we're or arguing for years 16000015. Year. Is that the middle of the road is certainly club option in you know if the Yankees beat -- with an -- B 575. Maybe even more so. Duffy do want to stay here maybe they come and played just to get you that extra year is it all comes down the years -- it comes down to. Or thirteen a fifteen year who cares does not want the next year.
Guarantee you -- you know you're talking difference of bitumen and some five million miles total pot and the more years you read into the larger the pot becomes. Supposed to. You know one year I mean look at the look with the the Dodgers did -- with man. They gave many two years 45 million but when you really look at that contract you look that up when it's like there -- millions in real dollars this year. Then it's gonna be paid down the road. Well better that they do 45. You know 'cause he wanted clearly one of the twenty million a year 25 million for 120 for the other. Do you extend that out suddenly you build a hundred million dollars deal 45. And only ten million of it is this year. Is -- out over a period of time to the point where if if inflation takes -- yeah it's -- be or not.
You know may be amazed at ten million for this year and and 15000003. Installments for upcoming year's if he takes his -- million dollar option for next year he gets paid five million for 2000 -- in -- with another fifteen million. Spread out over a three year period also. -- five million next year you know in the paper for awhile but. Its its unique contract I mean that's a lot of these teams are trying to get away from this economy saying that the -- three years from now everything is set back and -- that.
How much when he how he lost his money. And whether they figured in all of his money or they just figured him what he was going to the this year that loss. -- He ended up losing for those fifty gains posted Tuesday did you lose like that getting five going to get four point 67 -- the next years but it's gorgeous based on his twenty million dollars for this year. Many loses fifty games point. It's gotta be based on this -- over the issues though reviews in the contract it's gotta be based on Kennedy made out can amortize the the money is he's only make -- content now -- Klein don't cut me that he's being. -- When he million for services this year and it's just being deferred. If they if they if they position that way that I would think that he would. I think to have it needs to get over even Christopher it's still being right now. Right not reviewed those fifty easily lose it lose it off of twenty million -- with enough off -- on the -- with -- absolutely the other thing I want to bring that to the table because the nature. Said. We -- with the house and a big -- starts tomorrow. I am hearing rumors out there I'm not sure how strong those rumors are. You hear what you names and the bench players are those names but -- But you do here Rasheed Wallace and the question areas -- these guys talking about it before. Because I think he would be. Perfect for what they want right now veteran experienced player. And I noticed that I get this clearly baggage it's again baggage that if you put him money. A team that does not place personality tests course rupture and I think you've got yourself -- Lucy Lucy players that might be a problem for. If you put -- very similar to what we talked about three months you'll like it could threaten and beat me however she's enlightenment. And I reviewed -- take.
That type of player you put him in a strong structure. Where the personality that team was said he's not going to be able to get out of bounds. And I think you get the most out of those guys with the right set. I think this would be the perfect setting Kevin Garnett and he or friends. I think Garnett is the perfect guy to basically saying this is what you need to deal. And I get I think he's not what I pay him eight million I would they made millions -- us -- electorate that has been that you double. But if you've got with your mid level exception of five point seven you might think about that and you might also. Have to work on getting him understand that this will be your role I'm looking at all the other names. And how much are -- any of those other guys would have the impact. That a Walsh and maybe a in the ice would have it but but Wallace would. The biggest impact and I heard Michael Farber talking about it is concerned that the only get the further away from the basket that there's some truth. On the other it from a deep sense of standpoint. He does apply. Doubtful. Near the basket. And that's what you're looking for you look at for another. And they liked that they -- that that's sides united heavily Opel probably for most if not all of the of the season. He's got the complaint two different positions for -- streak -- back particular act before. To many. He makes cents in these.
I mean there's lot of sense of people up to blow you know black out the news via the through the officials all the technicals all that stuff. Kampala to get the chance I also think I do and what his pledge to Garnett going to be something. -- the outside the outside. I'm glad you you you referenced. You know that the torture well it's amazing villa is usually -- always with god but he would be a good -- and let's not.
Negative article talking about the further went on and you get from the basket. Some people thought they lacked that with the loss of -- last year -- opposing opened up that for a little bit more I don't have a problem with. I really don't. And I think offensively. He's got to do something is gonna expand and open up the floor a little bit as what does. He's able to guard a four or five now well. I don't think that's an issue.
I think that's because factor involved news is he's with the team with guys. I can keep him in the right direction -- it was a mess dispatched out you can see they fired their coach and that's a one year okay. They were a mess right and and I -- the the the Iverson trade made everything even worse. Because those players loved just people they love the fact that Billups could get the ball where they could have a best chance of scoring. And Iverson kept the ball right paperwork touching the ball -- that -- exactly became a mask so. It's tough you've seen this I'm sure both of you guys have been on teams before. With things start to fracture a little bit once it does you can sit there blame one guy the other guy but really when it -- it is full support.
You know that you have to have respect yet that respect you coach your team everything -- the organization is going. Especially Alec Rasheed to again of his and of his career I think your salary and wall last year excellent everything go let's face is that that kind of personality. You come here to Boston's different story you look around the clubhouse you know you see Kevin Garnett Paul Pierce Ray Allen. You know you're more respect for a guy like Doc Rivers and organization. In moving in the right direction. And I -- the going to see more on on the defensive side it's just like. It's just open it -- for the swung and missed the Mikki Moore and PJ brown helped the market but let's start the year with a guy like Rasheed Wallace in all this talk about Stephon Marbury and always good friend and KG controlled media controlled medium play very well. Great it was a short period of time and it Rasheed for the whole year but I I think that they can't control this guy that's the question is how much money -- yet is gonna cost us.
At that level -- won the big and that age one of the biggest factors in in the guy contributing keeping your the team mentality. Is a chance in a championship chances at winning everything that that does more to keep guy in line that almost anything else.
The other thing I like about him is that. He knows how to windows team you know I always thought the -- was that the best when he pleaded his best when he plays that -- very difficult to be. He used it a very skilled player and I agree there's some warts it is no question he loses his temper. -- He can you know turn on his own team there's some issues there. But is anybody really believe that that's going to be. A major problem and you brought up it's it's the bomb Robert example. Our biggest fear with the acquisition of Stephon Marbury as the casket was going to go you know his own and it was all of the opinion asked. That was the least of our problems -- for Marbury or he was just the opposite. It was the perfect boy scout here the probably there is simply couldn't fly anywhere. Over at. Whether he was rusty for a year and -- president awash -- off the president did that it was almost too much of its you know it was what the other way too much of a team point. And as you look at Wallace's two -- career and I agree he's always. Facing possible suspension. Because the you know we get somebody a tease him if he doesn't commit that many files when you look at overall. -- got you have to worry about that's counseling -- I think a big part of that. You just how to play the game and the officials though it is not -- to get. He loses his cool gift pissed off and starts Gordon comes election up and -- some of that goes -- from a goals we -- between. I'm not sure all of that's I think some people. Just title -- apple and yet that's that you don't. So ticket guy like that and and we're we're we're out of focus -- like peaks and focus -- towards you folks -- towards. We're viewed as Columbia records that abuse and the views and you -- off to a -- They use strategy to it to open -- ticket -- great deals Damon I agree it would be nice. In addition to this team because what you do is he would be able to back -- Balls pierce and and radio okay I'll buy that and he would certainly give you -- offense. More consistent office. And a better idea of the office that what you get with Tony Allen right now. On the other hand does he make them that much better on the team you don't have as you said the lakes right now. To back up upfront -- would -- healthy if you don't have that line. I think you've got some measures for the statement but it. Big issue in the NBA and -- you know always is the money. Now a -- Rasheed Wallace Hamachi going to cost to get Rasheed Wallace is at does that mean your -- related to -- to -- points no I think. It's still do big baby separately and still -- still put an Eddie House and still get a backup point -- Eddie House at two point nine. If he states. They can do -- house I still think that they can do. Big baby -- less to -- nobody goes up it goes crazy on an actual look at the market. A lot of guys and Carlos Boozer is now he's out apparently audience peeled some interesting names out there. Of some guys that are our horror or available. And much or he's got to find a lot of tickets to as a normal scheme that put themselves in position. To have expiring contracts at the end of next year so that the -- plenty of money to get into the richest free age people in -- history. Absolutely yeah great players of the game we're gonna going to be here from anyway so why would another team went -- there and -- blocks. For a long period that you'll always going to get big baby right now just given a one year contract yeah I mean this -- to do that. You're gonna get along our country these -- restricted free agent. Now that they've given -- qualifying offer so they're for the Celtics committed match itself -- on the team option agilent wedeman. -- don't write it off if if if if Boston's got a match so I think it hurts him even more. It try to get five million dollars from another team -- about it it's at -- for. -- match it if opera. I think it. I think he's kind of locked in a tough such adjustments and you might not be worth that the money it would take food to Butte and the -- would match it was still an under sized. Player apparently lost a lot of weight if you guys -- up since the end of the season. That he wants to drop other. Twenty pounds on top. Drop -- crash last night TV just you and urged president Flickr and even recognize. Recognized for uninsured. -- There died a little hotel is totally changed stylist -- gadgets and new York -- Edwards in New York -- exe -- Doug -- that's --
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