Tue, 17 Mar 2009|
Chris discussed the possibilities of Julius Peppers being traded to the Pats
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So what happens if to a reporter's. You respect both of them you know that they work hard you know other sources are good. To reporters from the same outlets ironically. Are telling you diametrically opposed things how do you decide which one. You believe in which one has got it wrong because they can't boldly right.
This thing they can't and it's like anything else in America you say who's better that's what buyers do all the time. That's that we do with consumers. What's better who's better who's got the better body of work who've broken more stories in this case. I gotta go to -- got to go to Jeff I mean I think I think I think chapter has broken more stories and -- Richie. I think chapter. Not the crew chief is is not tied in but he does Tynan has -- chapter in more specifically. I think -- mum about the talent now about the talent I think Sheppard got better Patriots sources there. Victory.
Well he could not have been more definitive than he was the -- with the Arizona senator. I know I that's that's I'm following up your point he could not have been more definitive. And -- in the same way you know he wouldn't expect any set you know he doesn't know what victor -- sources are he wouldn't expect Vick to give those up. Adams sure as hell not going to give them up but he sure sounded like. Somebody said -- flat out this ain't happening.
Well. At and it does it it happens. Just so happens that I agree with that. Even if he's not right I agree with the way you split about it as opposed to pick. To me it doesn't make a lot of sense. For the Patriots. To bring in. Julius Peppers. He's a great name me the big name right front I don't -- Iran you know I just I don't I don't see it I don't see it I've said it many times before. Charlie pierce made fun of me. He got wrong what I said but he still made economy anyway. I don't let the facts get in and in the way of good rant but. He has never played at 34 he's never played a 34 linebacker spot in his career he's 29 years old. Andy's got a questionable motor.
While I was one thing that -- at the chapter set where you know and and I am paraphrasing here as well where there are times when he kind of skates a little bit. You know where where he's not one of those max effort guys every play every down. And that doesn't seem to fit in very well with the Patriots mold doesn't.
And here's something else it's unfair but that's okay. Then let's talk radio. We're we're good at being unfair times. I'm not saying -- wonder -- score. Is the be all end well for football play well I'm not that -- understand that because. As we know you know Vince Young had a 41 -- scored the terrific quarterback.
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Back but seriously folks. I know. Sometimes they're guys don't everyone public scores there thank the players they do a great job anyway. I'm I'm not sure. I Julius Peppers. Had a tremendous wonderfully scored. And does that mean you can't play football obviously look at his numbers guy at four and a half sacks last year. Just because you don't know. Longitude and latitude perfectly that mean you can't get the quarterback but what I'm saying is if you're playing a new position for coach. Who is a little more cerebral than most. You have to be able to and had to be able to pick up things pretty quickly and I don't think you'll be able to do I just don't -- it.
Well I did you know there's a couple of reasons why I think that that you know this jumped out at at. Patriots fans because in -- in an offseason where for the most part. They haven't made the big splash in the free agency and they haven't gone after the Albert Haynes worth the Julius Peppers would be -- category. Not the Fred -- nodding a terrific player. Great signing in Joey Galloway. You know Leigh Bodden. They they've. They're presenting teacher Sanders yeah Williams. You know I think for many Patriots fans. And and especially those. Who just work who have been looking for some reason why ballot checked it -- yet because what he did was wrong. And and -- Jerry's mind especially somehow this would justify. The trade of Cassell and Vrabel Kansas City for the second round pick in you know if -- and -- second round pick for Julius Peppers. I I think at times because Belichick is so smart and he has. We have a tendency to give him like supernatural now. You know like like that while he was doing this intentionally -- with the Denver Broncos and screw up Josh mcdaniels first year because you know they can be a competitor for an AFC. I mean there are times when I you know we make this -- Jack Bauer and he's not he's a very smart. Very meticulous football coach and personnel guy he doesn't have otherworldly powers.
Well. As oracle said in the matrix.
These are quite a pickle right -- got quite a pickle because he doesn't have a replacement. For Mike -- And if you're going to replace Mike Vrabel. I don't know if you would do -- Julius Peppers for the reasons Julius Peppers is the anti Mike Vrabel. That is completely different. Football players -- not -- not he's not slow opening -- Julius Peppers that. He might he has much more on the thinker on the field. And Julius Peppers. And he played linebacker. For where the bulk of his NFL career. So. If you take Mike Vrabel out of the mix. You bring a guy who's more athletic and -- you know what aspect -- are running erased a run cluster or or playing a basketball game in this guy's athletic enough to play. He's got talent. Now. This athletic guy -- linebacker. We've ever played it before and now you're asking this guy. With not much of thinker on the field to start. To start barking out signals at times all the time that not -- Mike linebacker. But ask him to really. -- to a three things in this happens. My responsibilities this however it happened and one do it this way. It just doesn't make that it would make the whole system fall apart.
Well in and and take your point one step further we're talking about a guy who at offensive responsibilities as -- kept almost for -- Mike Vrabel. According to people who were down there might be as intelligent guy is has played bill Belichick's system. Yeah -- thirteen where everybody was supposed to mean when everybody was most Biggio and and it is if Julius Peppers as you said maybe doesn't have the same skill set that the tournaments well that's.
I think he's just not that. He's not that type player now but he he knows how to get to the quarterback from that the that the from the defensive end position and obviously. He feels like he's got the talent to play linebacker because the thought I John Fox. Asked him. To play linebacker he requested it right that's something that he want it. And it's also interesting. Maybe just needs a change of scenery I'm not sure the job fox is a good defensive coach. Former defensive coordinator for the Giants when they shut out Randy Moss and Cris Carter and Robert Smith and NFC championship game a -- Beat and 41 nothing. And fox with fox coordinated that defense and obviously. I got the campuses Super Bowl if the Patriots so we've got a pretty good at the resonate. And and it's interesting to me that. Julius Peppers doesn't want to play -- defensive coach. Who has put -- some pretty good positions. Scheme wise to have the put up the numbers that he.
I think telecheck probably hasn't even greater reputation and fox are definitely. I mean if you're out there if your. If you're Jason Taylor if you're Julius Peppers are probably thinking to yourself man I'd like have a chance to play with -- for that guy. At some point maybe that's what he's gotten in the back with mine too I don't know. It it's an interesting prospect here.
But I heard Vick said yesterday and it just it just didn't make sense to me. To have Julius Peppers I think now and not. Solely because of the the challenges that talked about but you can sign this guy to a contract. They've found a you have some put three million dollar contract right now.
He can get if he just puts his.
Name on a piece of paper got sixteen million out sixteen point eight something settling an area OK so he's going to come in New England for a cap friendly deal -- five million doesn't make.
Much sense that's -- how's -- gonna get here. Over the weekend those of you who protect us out on line at WB dot com probably noticed things vault she is all changed over over there. The new in and a newly redesigned and easier to maneuver WPI dot com is in place new concede now. Chris price's one of these super Patriots beat guys who writes on WEEI dot com. And he wrote about this at about 11 o'clock last night and Chris joins us now on the day as well it is tough spot at a lot of press -- now that he is doing great Chris what do you think what's going army and you know let. At on the surface.
These two seemed to be pretty good trade partners when you look at what the Panthers have to offer when you look at what the Patriots need. When you start matching things up when -- put the puzzle pieces into place. These two teams have a lot of things that each other one that's willing to put up there no one of the things that I think we should talk about here is what you guys were just discussing. The transition from working in a 43 defense as a defensive end is outside linebacker whatever to working in a 34. It's not. Did this the simplest transition a number one -- guys Rosey Colvin here a couple of years ago said it took him two years how to learn learn how to play really learn how to play. The Patriots 34 defenses and outside linebacker though if Peppers can make their transition fairly quickly we don't know 'cause again you what you guys have said. He's never played outside linebacker -- 34. If he can do it well you know -- watch but the transition is not this you know overnight thing it's you did you know with the it's it's going to be -- ticket from to do.
Well let's let's play the game from and it lets say he can't just for the sake of our discussion let's say he can't. -- the New England Patriots afford a new contract for Vince Wilfork theoretically in new contract for Richard Seymour. And the erratically as you wrote on on WEEI dot com last night. An economic landscape that's got a hundred million dollar deal out there for Albert Haynesworth how to they have for those two guys end Julius Peppers I don't.
How can that's the long term questioning -- I don't see how that could happen here in in it doesn't make sense to cut guys it doesn't make sense because you still lead the at least. And I heard some guys yesterday in the -- well you know what if you cut Seymour what if you cut will you know that that's not going to happen because that number -- still counts against the cap in you know you didn't do not want to.
Assists plus plus and that's ridiculous that it has at best fantasy football out. -- you you wouldn't want to cut Richard Seymour to bring in Julius Peppers you'll want to cut Vince Wilfork bring in Julius Peppers and that's a joke let let me ask you this then and but players are accountable we talk about on the radio all the time. Members of the media. We have to be accountable as well. So -- asked the question earlier who'd you belief and Vic victor Ritchie or Adams after completely different reports. How to -- had.
diametrically. Exactly and I had them -- and they're both under the same relative that beautiful media -- works for a fullback on the works we have what you think you know what I always say it's not as bad as you think it is not -- good -- I think that -- meeting somewhere in the middle I do think that there are discussions I think that. The Vrabel Cassel tree was the first part area agree when Vick says but the Vrabel council trade was the most part in in kind of a domino effect. Boat when it comes to putrid personal decision I don't know you know -- on this I don't know if this is the long term. Answer whether it's their -- went with that there Vrabel council trade was to go out and get some public Julius Peppers. Or it was to go out and free up some more money so you consigned Richard Seymour consign. Vince Wilfork C -- Logan Mankins consigned to all those guys the drop. It is very -- tournament and so I I guess I'm the -- I'm thinking it's some intimate.
Can't be okay did you think the expert but I can't anywhere in -- when the guys this. Now I'm 99 point 9% sure Julius Peppers. Is not going to be like it may never have no middle ground there I mean he is he is way out there on this land and a victory which is not on another level.
This way out that it -- that opened this would undoubtedly without a want to. Okay I'm not a game in Iowa I think I think that the truth lies hear from me anyway might -- my experience about it is the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Is that the Patriots are thinking about doing some likeness for for did the Patriots made this move the Patriots made the Vrabel Cassel moved. One of two reasons to free up money to go get some elect this or to take care of the guys that area and.
How about neither. How about they freed up that money to get Shawn Springs and Leigh Bodden and Fred Taylor. And they also did it so they can re sign their guys but not meant is that everything is not a big guy involved.
Educated but exactly but then I agree more with view on that week is that they're getting care of their guys. It they'd be -- to take care -- being there aren't as a mid level -- exactly -- want to upset the salary structure in the locker let's face it you know -- sixteen point whatever sixteen point 65 I think it is. To Julius Peppers before you take care of Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork and Logan Mankins guys like that long term. I'm nothing that this going to be a locker room problem but the going to be guys were talk. -- going to be veteran guys in the locker room or not going to be happy with the new salary structure if billion in economic developers one of the things that chapter was much more positive about. And it would be much easier thing to accomplish as just signed Jason Taylor yeah yeah in an in network is available early --
All of a lot last -- and and -- Jason Taylor. Under Nick Saban was all over the place in a 34 assistant sometimes with his hand and -- ground sometimes standing up so. The transition is is not as severe as it would be --
And if you look at the history there -- if you look at what the Patriots have said time again. Throughout the locker room about Jason Taylor that deal would appear to make a lot more sense but also appear to make a lot more sense financial. You know you're looking at a deal it's -- were babies were pap that at this point in anything that would be. Or more in character with what the Patriots approach to team public if the gonna get -- they'll plus again. He's Tom Brady's favorite you know you can gold. You can quote chapter and -- the quotes from -- by a man like it is frustrating that you know I I think that would be far more in line with what they have done traditionally when it comes to their team building approach over the years but are they going to do that. South Florida certainly things that the it's certainly seems to think so I read in the reports in the paper over the weekend. From Miami newspaper single board putrid the coaches and their Euro note -- in in I think that they are even more panicked about the beaches and Jason Taylor and the folks in Carolina are about losing Julius Peppers.
And an outside of those guys that only time we question. Jason Taylor's motor. Is in the offseason would do right Dancing With The Stars that comes out lights that kind of acting ability but when it's on the field and he's healthy. Even on some some terrible Miami teams. Before saving got there. It was always bring you're always so you don't have to question that whereas. As Peppers despite his fortune and half sacks last year at times you don't know where's that in.
Right now at this point were kind of falling in love and you under following abbreviated do you of -- They're not kind of thinking you know in in you guys abroad and at the other questions about what other questions about. This this -- approach there's some questions about his of the way this guy goes about playing in the game. So work kind of it's it's got a first love you know we're going to fall in love your idea Peppers at this point we're not really going beyond the surface in looking you know looking at this -- awards at all. Is -- a big deal and it's only symbolic. The Tom Brady was there for the first in the offseason program yesterday it's yet even if its in its dispute -- symbolic. It's. Exactly -- category but but I think a lot of people are very pleased with the idea that he's back in Foxboro. As opposed to seeing him we went to Brazil Jets around the world -- and that's and -- as -- how well. All hey Chris and I. Expect it means it means a lot of any more Patriots -- I got more emails on net that actually it was very funny if you saw -- this mystery document of the conference call is Greg Lewis. In the dropped out already. You don't think Greg Lewis has been called -- takes office than anything looked in no uncertain terms. God and everybody else got -- I want this from Lewis though he was very he was very polite and look on the Indian appease the I don't know how it looked heated and you know he didn't tip off on that point. On the exactly exactly and that's the kind of thing that did you know that the bells and whistles and -- but I do think a lot of people think it's good he's back and -- I don't think there's there was a question amongst his teammates. But I think it helps fans realize that you know what he's probably better than we think it is. It's a good out of all of the signings that the Patriots have made this offseason. Which one really does it for you which -- you look at and say man that's an underrated signing in the radio show on -- because when you look at the guys in when the quote from his old team -- in Washington. You really think this guy could policy could be something special but he could be better than we think he is. He could be one of the classic league careers signings did the league careers signings. A guy who comes in electing Antowain Smith for example -- guy who comes here. In we don't really think much him at the time billions of put up pretty good numbers are really likes on terribly elected deal. For relatively shortly --
Back into the dot com cave in and gets more stuff up there as we've we want to keep preakness stuff sounds good thanks -- speculated that dot com joining us in the Galen -- leadoff spot. So. You'll agree. The Jason Taylor makes much more sense than Julius Peppers you know give up anything in trade. The salary would be much less he'd probably gives yet. The same versatility as you it hit the nail on the head where he's played all over the place he can do everything. The Julius Peppers could give them and you wouldn't have to sign him to some eighty million dollar deal with thirty million guarantee.
Yeah right what what we're looking at your dale is. The the perfect guy. And we don't know what it might be Jason Taylor but what we need an at Foxboro you need and the perfect guy who could replace Mike -- boys. Anytime you hear a name come up. You always have to go back to Mike Vrabel and say this is what Vrabel gave the team where does this guy stand. In the compares in the Vrabel. As far as Julius Peppers is concerned I don't see I don't see that as a replacement. Is it. The unknown is is Pierre Woods the unknown as Eric Alexander. The unknown oil or kind of the known is -- Banta-Cain. I don't think those guys can do but maybe. Bill ballot Jack. And his coaching staff sees a miraculous offseason from a guy -- were not thinking about it. I can see this guy come and last year it is ready to step in the into the Vrabel spot when they signed -- on yet. So it could be one of those guys or. Jason Taylor. Out of all the name that -- from. Julius Peppers to appear woods to Jason Taylor on and on. One guy who makes the most sense Jason Taylor.
So we're kind of on the on the Adam chapter side of this whole this whole thing and and in your defense he said this yesterday. It's that this doesn't make a lot of sense I have to admit when I heard Vick talking on the big show he's very convincing he had me convinced. I know he's got good sources and it was good reporter -- know he doesn't just throw stuff out there. But when I heard Adam chapter as definitive as he was today that just sort of sealed it for me there was there was no doubt in his mind. That.
He won companies or maybe Vick welcome back and say I'm 99 point 9% sure that Peppers well be a Patriot. When that -- we'll have a nice little insider on insider crime.
Let's stick quick break out got a lot of other stuff and talk about with you today -- Charles Chandler will join -- he as a Carolina Panthers beat reporter down enough. In Carolina and will talk about Peppers and they may be stock -- mean that -- Adam seems to think he's going to end up right back in Carolina. But they're already up against the cap and basically am and able to do anything in this offseason because of that sixteen point seven something with this.
Really curious as an animated you feel like. Unless it's like they have a pretty good team they did go to the you know divisional round last year. There in the number two seed in the NFC maybe it felt like they don't need that much. I can imagine that don't have Sonics. Go after every bit like that you followed a decent little signing.
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