Dale & Holley's Opening Segment

Doesn't seem like once a year. Whether we need to or not. Most of the denizens of Patriot nation wake up some morning gulp what the hell is Bill Belichick -- doesn't seem like once a year we go through this. -- I mean whether it's it's lawyer Malloy are out there or it's Adam Vinatieri or -- Willie McGinest. Once a year but we wake up. Everybody in New England. Jealousy think.

Absolutely we've we've seen this story before. This is a script. That's part of whether it's the off season. Org spoof on three of four games before on the 34 days before the season starts in the case of lawyer Malloy. In season something -- morning after the Super Bowl coming out exactly. Happens something happens where people say. I'll accurately they did this an anonymous cases when I was trying to get across to John and Jerry of course Jerry does one have a conversation with -- and at one -- anybody else. Let's try to get across -- Jerry especially. Was this because of an accurate reporting. Bill Belichick is is taking the criticism for not getting -- because. Somebody else to something out there of course Bill Belichick and had more quiet -- very simply you know what everybody else to Bill Belichick -- everybody else has an agenda. That's why set compared simply ask you're out. You have Adam chapter right on the year and the chapter is very connected he makes phone calls so it's that he's a reporter. What he's said on Saturday. May have changed when they talk to -- on Thursday or Friday because you actually pick up the phone and call some of the teams. That we have questions about so -- they asked if they are bold enough to ask. -- chapter. What was on the table and what the Patriots could have received I think that the good debate will be over but I don't think what the debate to be over it this -- keep making and glad.

It would have been it would have been easy actually and we had a call yesterday who signal went on -- guys just you know all the -- Him on the phone it it it is always easier if -- would ever be a little more forthcoming. Now he's not going to be forthcoming about anything ever. I'd say -- I televangelists eventually this story will come out sooner or later. But I -- bet it won't become from -- at at at one point at what point does ballot -- called Mike Reese or plan or away or where dale and holly or somebody and say. -- for first there I mean he doesn't know that he doesn't appeal the -- any update had to defendants.

Doesn't have to there are other teams involved you know it it's easy to say. The Patriots. Won't talk about it so we'll never know but we do now. I'm not even an NFL insider. Okay any water at and I that they took your exact washroom -- wouldn't help and you can you can figure it out can be figured out Adam chapter I'm sure no. The Tampa was never. Gonna offered no wiggle and eight.

Firmer -- Wallace are -- first and a third never never got -- happy I said yesterday when we discussed this sin and when I looked at. It didn't make any sense to me. The Bill Belichick would rather have number 34 the number seventeen or number 34 instead of number twelve. That defies logic to me are not having about a -- with -- number ten last year looks good the Patriots uniform. There would be players sitting there were twelve for seventeen -- Bill Belichick would like a lot by the time you got to draft.

But I do understand I do understand it it didn't happen first squad didn't happen right they were not offered a first round pick but if you are offered and in Tampa has nineteen not seventeen Tampa I had no idea what -- Iraq. If you are sitting there at nineteen. And you have you have the option of nineteen versus 34 in you planned to use the --

If you don't Michael and you wield a lot of things but what what better than Emmet -- an -- but I'm gonna make this. This distinction now if you plan to use. If you plan to use nineteen. And you plan to use 34 and you had your option and you're the New England Patriots. I can see why you take 34 overnight team in this stretch and especially if you think. You think their fifteenth first rounder in this draft. And and at a couple teams make him make mistakes. And you still have missed your 151 round so -- let that get up to seventeen. And they are still. There's still 11 rounder on the board. It's still much better value if you're good team. To take the -- 34. In the pick in nineteen.

But my point is if they had nineteen. The way they operate and they have been masters at this. They -- we will nineteen for something that's would have gotten what they were looking for these and something else it's easier said -- said and done they've got what he's been better at doing at in the.

Nobody's been better doing it but even today have had drafts where they didn't make a trade or they have had a difficult time. Wheeling and dealing I'm learning I believe the that we can go back and look at this if if memory serves. If you look at the Logan Mankins -- I think they pretty much held form throughout the draft and then late. They traded out.

If I'm not going to -- for next year type but thank you but here's the I agree with you based on the reporting that I've read there wasn't the first round pick offered okay. So it's almost beside the point my point was simply -- their wives. It would panic because it would have given the more capital either the player they pick nineteen would be better than the player they Pickett 34 or. Will we you know what will will with two seconds will get a will get a second and fifth we'll get more stuff that we need right if if -- first round pick was sitting there. They hadn't gone for in my opinion. Didn't matter that wasn't. So we get all hot and bothered about what they gave up what they didn't yet what they you know I was totally disappointed. In what they got for a package of Mike Vrabel and Matt Cassel completely disappointed. Because I thought the value was going to be greater than okay now when you look at it used to disappointment yeah absolutely really I thought Matt Cassel. Would be good for that 34. I mean -- and I agree with what you said yesterday I understand your point they were going to cut him any way. So hard Vrabel still in this in this situation all they've done is allow Mike Vrabel to save face like a -- or limits that have -- about this Vrabel saves face the basic cash. They're gonna say cash either way whether they are --

I say not but they say more cash were trading. Because now unit cut -- Unit -- so there are no penalties involved from cutting them for the Patriots they traded. So they stayed about a million and half dollars by trading Mike Vrabel so they save money there. He knew oh he knew they were looking to do this. He he knew this for a long time. They had conversations with him about it future. So they save money for Vrabel so that the deal that that's it yesterday there was a sports -- involved here. The deal -- not. Mike Vrabel for an undisclosed draft pick the deal was Mike Vrabel. For cash. In exchange for cap relief and Matt Cassel for the out -- it will put -- together and we'll say Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel for a second round.

Why did they do. -- I mean it in and I I I guess in in this regard what they are doing well now -- what I'm trying to figure out is is what's in it for for everybody involved. In peel -- case what does he gain. By acquiring him that way I guess it means if you get McGwire well my point is if they Cottam. You can go acquire him anyway right you might -- and not have the cap issue.

You might be able to. If if if they -- as much as. Mike Vrabel like Scott pioli and enjoys the Patriot way. You kind of he's a free agent and they -- no -- going to go to Kansas City Chiefs just because you know Scott pioli. -- might go to Cleveland Browns in in and finish his career at home. I might go back to the Steelers he might go to the Jets and Dolphins and stick to the Patriots that way. With the trade a Scott pioli was guaranteed of getting the player. Who could help his defense transition to one. That understands what it takes to play at a championship level that it probably along way from the championship level but. Mike Vrabel and lose it improves them drastically intellectual.

Intellectually he does and and I guess I I see your point here Kansas City might obvious choice because they're probably not going to be good for the amount a time -- he's got left in the game. I mean I'm sure he thinks he's got some football laughed. But he does -- five years after four years laughter however long out there are some some quick turnarounds in the NFL I'm not sure the Chiefs will be one of them maybe they well. Maybe on medium on underestimating Scott -- from.

Clock I don't know. Turnaround in in terms of a championship level but. I would not be surprised. We have three or four weeks of two weeks left in the season they still had a chance of winning that division crazy that -- fourteen. That over the last two years has won fewer games in the Detroit lines that not a not a great stat that Kansas City Chiefs have won fewer games in the last two years -- alliance an alliance went winless last year they went seven. Right here before the Chiefs have won six in the last two years but. He planted in a division. With Oakland. -- Denver now -- the quarterback doesn't get a clue and buy into the system. And and I got now the rumor is he's going to Minnesota yet and not end got San Diego won the division last year date may he got a chance.

You talked about a sports -- and the other big sports they have been the NFL especially and I always loved the sports it in the NFL. Is all everybody plays by the rules are you kidding me. Now picture this okay match and the logic of this and Jerry. -- Bart Scott Europe free agent linebacker for the Baltimore Ravens free agency begins at twelve old ole -- okay. It and you're out there and you're available and and teams are going to come after. Sitting in Bart Scott's right. At midnight. Is the new head coach secondary coach there were three coaches sitting there. Dennis Thurman. Mike the team and Rex Ryan are sitting in Bart Scott's drive -- at midnight. The secondary coach guy named Dennis Thurman Paul's. House. And says the Bart Scott we come get these dogs he's got a couple of guard dogs outside and get ready to rip these three apart at night when the sitting in his driveway. They walk into its house they say we want you. We're not leave without -- there's a plane at 8 AM bonded to our art training complex your going to be on a big hole college recruiting routine. They say that Jets say. Ray -- financial demands were exorbitant over the top. They know we can't talk to until midnight at midnight -- got three coaches embarked cut driveway. So -- ray Lewis's. Demands were exorbitant and over the top and that's why they targeted Bart Scott. -- telepathic waves that told the -- they'll coaches ghosts at his driveway because I. Ray Lewis is going to want to much money that's what course not they negotiated with the agent ball or midnight I doubt it with a lunch. And said -- we're on after Bart Scott the Bogut and -- in his driveway.

This is not a surprise it's not a surprise. Teams have. Have set up there are free agency boards. Uh oh well in advance of when they're supposed to they have not not -- you can set him up. But people have talked to agents well before they're supposed to talk when agent. They get an idea you know the one trick they they -- uses this. Your agent. You know you have business to do -- that -- let's say you're the New York Jets. And you have business to do with David Dunn anyway because he reprises the guy on your team and you want to talk to him about restructuring that contract. Don't by the way nice to have another guy who's a free he's not on our team. Just wondering not asking about him specifically rest but. It was a ball park bigger but you guys are thinking what would it take in particular about New York if that happens all the time right but here's here's something that's very interesting. And it's something I've heard earlier this morning. Could be a rumor. Could be true but it's fascinating and -- I thought you get the timeout signal. I'll tell you on the other --

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