Pat Kirwan, NFL.com

Welcome back Dennis and Callahan up Matt Irwin from an adult look on the senior analyst is that clearly want to -- connected. Most knowledgeable people around the National Football League we always welcome the opportunity -- the -- he joins us on the AT&T outline your world -- good morning mr. -- how are you. There are too slow to slow -- other fourteen inches coming today and yet where you by the Toronto where -- it. Red Sox -- around here yeah got people are out there are getting -- we get through performances noted. That. Pay as you can imagine now 247 since the deal for Cassel was consummated. Are people talking about 34. Pick in the draft is not enough what what's your take on on. -- the value that the Patriots got for their asset and B why it was a little 34.

Well first of we gotta -- so intrigued Scott and bill and so I don't think that over I don't think there's a trade blinked you missed but I would not be surprised. If we'd be another trade before dispute start. We can't really let suspending a player to -- good affect what you -- that relationship with somebody. There's another way you can make up or down the road so for now -- beat decapitation. Fine. And a lot of people I've ever happened guilty. Beat first pick in the second round people more interested that they can get pretty close that I obviously. Bent bend but the bottom of the first round as a demarcation line in the money. And you're probably going to get the employer so I think -- you to wait to be. With a three -- topics you guys can Rubin beat Brenda the first threat if you want to although I doubt you do. -- I thought I that you're Erica a patient for now.

But even even at the price we we can all agree it's is that a good deal. Pat what they have to do it so quickly what was the sense of urgency on the Patriots mark in other words why not shop around a little bit.

Well maybe they need to cap space well the president though they've been reactivated your listeners those banners baker Taylor and get back -- back. I don't feel don't have to a lot people who regular the Vrabel -- up to me. Respect is that there is some substance look -- that that the Patriots. Opportunities Peppers.

What would take to get Julius Peppers.

I didn't get look at -- feel you know in personal finance Lovett that he can manipulate the cap all around make the deal. Not cap friendly we should use that term with what you're trying to deal to going to be but. You -- it -- yet a little over eight million but when it started on the plate -- February they drop the fourteen victory kept a -- You get about three back from Vrabel belliard -- it with 26. To track the troubled billion of the deal that you've done you've got what anybody else cap space. You can go out there Julius Peppers now that may be spirit that we had -- you have. But -- have Julius Peppers. You given the first round pick and let your gut you know firepower with the 32 round pick so you can land up in my mind would Julius Peppers. And a couple players respect around and you'd be rock solid at that --

Pad across the league what is your assessment of Matt Cassel what he will be for somebody extra for some other team not named the doing the Patriots.

You know it'd been a year that might have great quarterbacks -- they would they would debate that regularly but. I think give everyone left the come by there was no doubt surrounding the operative there -- certain that maybe this isn't a great year both underclassmen so we know the probability of success that under 50% of -- Pete Carroll you know blog about that was Sanchez both guys understood what it. We've got guys that are not that went straight up underclassmen. -- looked like about the top of the first round so what you think that way can't security I'm sure very comfortable -- it was all over the experience. So I I think that's like that's quite -- value is presently barely.

Do you think the following thought entered bill Belichick's mind for a second in the days leading up to making this trade Matt Cassel would be much more dangerous to me. In Denver with Josh that it would be in Kansas City with Scott.

No I don't think better at all I think that it's all about you know the compensation -- building a relationship you know the at the end of the -- Josh may not have as much leverage power and ability to pick up opponent make a deal and that that got -- So I think that's an interesting partnered to continue with and I don't think. I hope they get mad and they were looking that way at all remembered what they said -- Bledsoe. To Buffalo we had back covers based on the radio -- and I could go -- thing that I hope he was thinking about that would that.

Is is Josh in trouble with his quarterback Jay Cutler now.

I don't emotionally for -- while. And the best thing that dusty do is close the door to habit to have this ballot they look. I'll do we're look at all the options out here at -- and everybody's -- and we're glad that idea but. I'll let it take a look at what everybody's got the patient value that you need to understand that and I -- bigger but it bad that would put. I don't think you try to work around that and best start Trojan football like now than ever happen because your -- about that. Potentially -- but you know is. And and has got to draw a little bit. That's the give us sort of debate and maybe just maybe Josh straight by -- one -- that message out that nobody takes him -- a competitor he -- now.

That's interest that point yeah. Let a fire and come. Into. Pat do you think. Other teams like Tampa or Detroit or wherever when they too slow get in the game if they were serious about making a move whether it's the flip. Cassel -- to Denver or not. What is their fault for not being quicker on the trigger.

Yeah and video creators could start to the bank act put out quite strict beat top players and 24 or sign before Sunday. So you've got to be able to react. Fairly quickly number one number two you know it you know I like the -- but getter Brett electorate with no head coaching -- get branded GM. But no GM experience. And those guys are you know they'll learn -- And go to be able to pull the trigger on things quickly go from plastics. Former dealmakers guys have done it before. And we can study that the industry trade. A couple of young guys have done its due to be able to react as quickly developed check would torpedo.

88 do you or the people around the league you talk to. Agree or think that Mike Vrabel washed up.

I think they most guys look at Mike is a role player now. And the way the money -- in the world we're at today 127 billion dollar cap in the average and it's also aren't going to be two point four billion. His starters two point two million put him in the middle of the pack. Going to be good -- and experience than installations of of their defense and have Mike around -- but I still feel like coach and you know in the league but. I wouldn't call washed up I think he's limited in the number of snaps per game he could -- or.

Whatever packer when senior analyst for nfl.com -- on that web -- that I read read your thing your theory that linebacker talent pool in the upcoming draft is suspect tell us why you think that because people around New England think linebacker and defensive back is a place the -- to -- concentrate their efforts.

Well I don't think it's a limited full -- you know on the outside linebackers you've got two issues there and personally I like the outside linebacker it will look better little -- As some of the -- at the -- doubt the of course you know that the come by demonstrated they probably have the skills to be trained at an outside linebacker and had beefed up that but the end sideline Becker crowd. More by the look of disappointment -- or eight and didn't look ballpark and in some of the that you had to do. Rape album got hurt on the first forty yard -- but it you don't keep those two guys the first round and maybe some people -- Right at that -- all of the third round and before a greater player special ops so he drifted so well by -- inside backer where am -- gonna get. And you've got to look at the veteran pull both -- people -- married together and that's my point you are those my point the morning you guys. You gotta have stressed that at the -- take a look at it and then leave they're definitely come back -- facility and react accordingly. With a scalpel and create history jokes. We sort of numbers signings in -- of aggressive -- Info I I think that it tells us what the guys walking out of Indianapolis stop about it but back.

You mentioned Julius Peppers as they've. Possibility for the doing the Patriots were about Ray Lewis is he going back to the Ravens for sure.

I think so I think by the -- got is street value was exposed fairly quickly. -- and the reason. -- But then that would -- have done this before you -- players Rodney Harrison -- but I think all of us laundry right now rave about look at the plate well what Rodney first came -- look at -- the but the biggest payday possible he shop themselves all around publicly. And he found out that the world takers for the kind of money he wants that is page. Yeah that -- the one event like Belichick spoke to take what Patriot they're a great former great player. Now struggled in some coverages. You can't really estimate the law been an easy great coverage by the way but not anymore so. The -- guys who put the real value lot of portable go to haven't figured if we don't even think the deal all want to put on the table is the kind of deal we'd do it yet. I think I think by the morning tomorrow at the latest article. I'm ready should do this by the way take they're racing deal and stop the -- scrutiny of -- book.

What will it cost to get Julius Peppers of Carolina when will look at the --

What what they you put it 23 is. If you were going to go where the do that similar that I got it up guys -- that that did not look good the back for a while it's going to be that pick. And and maybe your murder maybe not. It because Carolina at the end of the day is built with a player they can't live long term. Who beating up seventeen million dollar cap space. A year from now and and at a potentially uncapped world he'd gotten so they got to look at. A lot of the other time clock ticking on them to go along turbulent I think they've -- so that they're not. So would you if you knew you couldn't get -- I try to take the 23 -- and and you know hit the highway I would I think they might.

Would you sign would would they get a chance to sign him before the deal -- made it would have taken under that one year are you. And then it.

Never taken the one -- I would I would bet if you could agree on compensation backed -- Carolina New England called Carolina does that happen. They agree -- compensation and on the next step is now I gotta put the Peppers agent because we can't get the deal we want -- and has still not going to be consummated so. The next step is we don't the president -- about -- thirty or you've been right about total winner you'd fit both profile move. And an -- at the end of the day. Yeah outside linebackers have been so critical to what -- closed due this -- joker play in a lot of ways he's. In a model of Willie McGinest was -- you have not compared to two players but. We all remember Willie. -- it can't on the Greta they can perform in front that we saw Willie stand up and beat you outside backer -- receivers the outside to two point stance rusher. That's -- you can do all that and maybe even better you know I'll never so bad word about Willie is. I great admiration for what he did but that's the kind of guy they'll look going to get I would -- and and it does you know he's a phenomenal football players so I -- ability.

It pat if Peppers ultimately ends up in New England does that signal the signal the beginning of the end for Richard Seymour with a year left on his deal.

You know that's possible. I think you know and I've made this point before about that album paper -- yell. But Albert it would feel is going to cause a lot of problems and starts with your -- overlooked -- not to jump the -- away -- permitted but. I would think that you got it well. Consider what the future looks like and so I I look secured hemophilia you know you got -- where either Belichick -- this. Except the guys you can get reassigned realize you can't and build the through the draft for the -- you've got a turnover battle every direction. Connecticut has -- I can't wait to see -- future about Saddam Jauron Gilbert. From Seattle police statement as he'd fit the profile of what Doug Belichick likes to do with the foot -- 65 -- 285. Out of rent for rated the come by and that there's a little video on YouTube about what you guys to watch. It's incredible -- district 52 -- a pool three feet of water. And he can jump out of the pool and argue that it can't Redick and get that. You got a phobia the -- really take a look at a guy that in my mind. It's what bill lost I have to have yeah. Jerod JJ RR ON Gilbert. Is moving up the draft board -- a -- come by it and what I look at that they're the guys take an early second round and that -- beyond our roster he'd be back up now and then. Divide contractual issues you Richard or anybody else. You'd be on the front three and actually there.

Would Wilfork be your priority to get signed. He's important this football team.

Yeah well in those tackles 3040 -- is that is really important pieces of the peace and the work -- You must have a -- there force in the double -- otherwise problems arise with 34 and -- can do that but not get Alford signed before. And and what's -- well Albert it would -- and you know. I know that's funny money you guys though that's funny money in the contract but there's 41 million guarantee eaten. And and that's scary part that we've taken a player 41 million guaranteed the first fears that. -- really saying is nowhere close and then on a million dollars to gain for beat purple one minute and you know I'm not have an idea that. Ever get deployed they think they want that I pick to get a young guy every place.

Tempers get more than a million a game now committees and.

over a million a game but. You know the way I was straight it is you start thinking about who can rush the best -- we -- the ball first of that -- you get the thrower on the ground. The -- to convey -- we look at first -- Kurt Warner and back the Arizona. Yeah I'm disappointed in the helper terrible -- that you want to blame that they inbounded to want to talk to. The truth is I had enough opportunity to talk to people that are related the Arizona situation on their side. They yell at Duke in my opinion ten million. A seasoned for two years is more than enough money for Kurt and I I would -- told Kurt. You know courtesy get on the planet go out there understand that when you come back it's. He he -- it to you in. -- they have that it's going to be 79. About what does affect what he mentioned retiring I gotta put that an equation that looked like wake up every morning you want to quit. So I know enough with that and so I think he grabbed the back of Arizona but he has done nothing in my opinion dealt the damage which was. No really. Perfect for a long time.

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