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Mon, 26 Jan 2009|

The guys discussed two hoops blowouts in the pro and high school ranks

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  1. Avery Johnson4:02, 4:06, 4:13
  2. Dallas Mavericks1:29, 3:56, 4:24
  3. Rick Carlisle4:35
  4. Amare Stoudemire2:23
  5. Eddie House1:51
  6. Dwyane Wade4:18
  7. Doc Rivers18:48
  8. Ray Allen1:43
  9. Larry Fitzgerald21:08
  10. Eric Mangini0:35

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Have actually gotten the point. As local sports fans. We start giving style points now and I mean in a negative way at the point now where at halftime we're kind of gone. I'm not what -- watch. It is slight. Obliteration it's -- reminds me of of you know halfway through that Patriots undefeated season. Where it was the question whether they were going to win or not it was a question of by how much that's what you feel like watching the Celtics right.

Well I don't know where at that point yet maybe you're at that point DO but it. To paraphrase Eric Mangini. I watched every angle -- play I -- I game yesterday at what every single play and it was boring and the second cobra I don't think so all I don't think I'd you know can I wanted to see I'm like this the this excuse me in the Celtic when their plan high level like that you might think that game six. On the NBA finals last year was born. And he is one of the best basketball games I've seen in the last twenty years and in terms of competitive games but in terms of a team an extra inning and execute. At a critical at a critical moment and doing it. At the highest level. I can watch game six over and over that's how you're supposed to play basketball. And at times in this in the first half yesterday I was -- that's exactly are you supposed to play offenses subject and that everything you're not supposed to do on defense for the Dallas Mavericks are just that terrible division team. If they do make the playoffs era the first.

Lot of open shots obviously I mean you all saw what I'll soft you know when you've got uncontested threes and your. And you know you got guys like Ray Allen shooting and others cities going to hit a lot of them. But even beyond that -- they just want those nights where afternoons everything's.

Eddie House I mean it was just like 11 another no he wanted to set the record in line to. He wanted to drop blows it eight. Need to -- here eight -- went to -- it's partly as a legendary talent and no -- they did a heck. I think there's a bit about myself all but like I understand we're just standing but I there're certain teams in certain players and sports that I root against. And sometimes has nothing to do with the game itself could be a personality -- shoot. Like Amare Stoudamire -- Amare Stoudemire once upon a time this is a strength and weakness of me I am but I'm about to analyze FL. A strength I -- is that your friend. You'll be a friend for a long time you really do -- yeah is it completely stupid disrespectful awful. Life altering for me to this day go by reference anymore. Okay now my weaknesses if your anatomy and Italy but -- it is hard for me that he'll let certain things go out and so I saw. I was watching Amare Stoudamire when he did know. I was watch any anyone else was -- I just -- how he dealt with. Innocent group of people kids and I think that if your main kids. You're an -- planned a bully role I disarmed do something and I just thought it was awful and -- and I hold against the saint mark block. -- with with the Celtics I saw him. As an elevator. With him. And three -- four other people American you know couple kids and it's that are you mark -- he -- now. And just turned his back to want to be caught dead to me dead to me I hope bad things happen and.

And I I understand and I've seen it as well. And when it does happen -- come I mean how hard would it be how long is this elevator ride going to be here you know --

Just say hi -- on -- and enjoy the game -- and move on so I say that to say this. -- against the Dallas Mavericks because. Their -- players talk so much trash. When Avery Johnson was hired other personality clashes I couldn't come back of Avery Johnson was the coach we didn't do this he was through this he was through that. I know they went to the NBA finals with Avery Johnson and they lost. In six games to the heat when Dwyane Wade was off the -- and no they had several fifty win seasons and no. For the first time in a long time the Dallas Mavericks actually. Took some pride in playing -- and Avery Johnson was the coach -- left.

And you know Rick Carlisle is former Celtic in popular around here but. Huge bright house -- right now so yeah the Celtics they're back there's no doubt about it we don't even have to ask the question when Donny Marshall joins us this week.

Had I wonder if you tell me. What was your impression and I can't -- Braves had to go and I don't starter got all the Pitt does marketed I don't today. I guess political and -- do you have a you have added on butler over the I was like Mike Mussina had that that knuckle curve or are up on that. Day idea I've. I was in brown outs away you're apart might --

You might have -- my Michael Holmes story. I'm Michael story. Saturday. The family dries out. And and a walk around Yale pearl island it's my daughter launch another Edmonton -- Michael it actually is it -- that you. So. Walk round the library which looks like the mean is just. And and at one point before went once we Albert the old books the more. Wandering around the bookstore and models. Indicated section here that Taylor won over the sports action. And on the the acts they're the -- the book we see is Red Sox. And I pull it out showed Taylor -- blitz is able to. I didn't -- Tedy Bruschi I'm Maine out looking in the right places but ago but the price is right. For one dollar. -- Like Patriot reign optional the -- like more than one. -- it showed. And I opened up. And he had never seen you with -- bull are. That's not really yeah. That -- And partner. -- You'd never -- that my kids didn't know you by your year your books are prominently displayed. On a little tail and he'll. No one would ever believe that the high school I would have -- connection. The Yale University well. By like that's ride. Next year. I need you to Bianca. You know you need to be that standing need to be an actor form you know on -- go to various bookstores in the city. Pick one of the books and just had this this oral round is all. That's great so Boise. Man's incredible. I want to take it to the reds to get myself away for a rating of right now now did you do that I have assert that the kids involved I have this image of Yale. I might have been the only person who's ever gone into the sports section. At the Yale bookstore -- I'm guessing there's not a lot of foot traffic back there at the Yale bookstore I think that its way in the back. Away in the back on the right the exports history -- Regaining Whitney GM. And the Commissioner of Baseball advocate you know addition of Jordan action there they've got up pictures of both president bushes. In the Yale bookstore in there yields stuff you know -- Picture of 41 it is baseball uniform and all it was it was. It was a fun weekend what you were you were there at the Yale bookstore I'm glad our party I'm glad to be a part of it didn't help that come on people Bynum but that's okay. That's aren't they got to come around camp forced. You were there I I I've I've had been following the story for a week now. And I'd have to I said John Terry this morning I was surprised that they. They picked it up and talked about it today if you follow the story out of house is high school bass and 100 to nothing. In 100. Enough. It is -- and it it all started a week ago the Dallas morning news I mean McCain took place like that it was January. 13 thirteen yeah they started writing about it. You know last week. And things kind of built and built and built and and what happened yesterday. The winning coach got fired yesterday. And Alison. Should ban as John Dennis said he should have been beaten them fired -- that spot layer of approaching things. But I find it amazing and I am listening this morning John Jerry you're talking about it people calling and you'll be shocked to hear. -- from Fall River. But that the winning coach did exactly what he has a -- ER yeah -- problem as a way quietly while trying to hold up the losers as as they heroes in this thing. The fact -- got eight high school girls. At a at a high school for kids with learning disabilities. Who couldn't play varsity basketball probably on any other team in the state their own coach and their own athletic director admits that. But at their school. They get a chance to be a varsity athlete and they take pride in it but somehow Steve said why are we glorifying knows losers I mean. On the winning coached him exactly what amounts -- I'd like this am surprised I LP NUV shock.

I know if you if not surprising bad thing on that story. Is very simple which is doing. If you're the winning -- word the losing coach what you're trying to do is. Prepare kids for life. And and prepare them for a variety of experience. So. If -- the winning coach. You're letting them know okay at times. You can be you can roll -- somebody whether it's a business or sports -- you have you have more resources -- they have you can crushed them if you want. And so. You know all you don't always have to do it. That's what he -- talk right now okay now they're probably -- 88 to nothing after theory if you had if you had its scaled back a bit. Maybe -- Dillon and is still going to be an ugly score. But maybe it's. You know 95 the -- okay. You have tried everything you can do you're not pressing yeah you're not having your your girls are pointless largest at an ever at all -- deeper and you're trying to. Pick him up at half court work or pick up the ball at half court on the side. If -- the losing coach you're saying there are times. That somebody's going to be better than you are a lot better but yet keep working. Keep hustling something good cry -- and something -- it will come up but I just think it's that day a terrible lesson. Especially for the for the winning side to the terrible lesson cute to teach young people -- what it forget about the part about the administrators at the school. If my kid is on the team that happening. I'm jump on the coach in the second quarter.

On on the winning the -- and I. Have my -- how to select -- is on a winning team yeah. I'm going to jump on a coach and connected. That. I don't want. You want my daughter -- that last I don't want you. Putting your poison. And the mine's Mike and I agree with you completely -- I know that you have -- talk about -- you've worked with young people -- coaching capacity even -- didn't have -- your own -- You will as Robinson gets older you'll be involved is as parents are annual coaches soccer team where his basketball team whatever sport it is. Parents get involved and help out I've been involved in coaching youth sports since Taylor was a little maybe. And it is amazing that nit wits that you deal yeah -- it it will it will never cease to amaze me. The it it's and that's the word in 1 of the Dallas morning news stories there's coach. Of one of these really good teams who who who called off the dogs and one her games and wouldn't allow our kids to shoot. And and she was asked about those people who said Ollie did when he was supposed to do -- they play it is -- if she said those people are eating its yet there it.

Is probably somethin' that's lacking something that happened his athletic -- or something unfulfilled. That the dark. I don't know what it is but there's there's a fly there. And I'm glad I'm glad he was fired it took a long time I don't think the apology would be good enough because.

How by the Eagles on line and says I respectfully disagree with the apology my school put out. Imagine that's all apologize artists because as -- little embarrassed here you know got a question his judgment.

Got a question his decision making and you don't want to be packing -- in the kids man is a fine line I'll I'll I'll admit that you've got a team that's a lot better. Then the other team okay. You get to a point. Where you say maybe we need to call this game. And what kind of message and eat you have to wonder what kind of -- that's messages to do -- equipped and so you're worried about that message on mountain. But there was a back in my area back in the day when I was a coach. I was over at. Does a great program called notebooks snowball and Roxbury. And it was obvious.

work. Unless they got throw you off the team but you weren't going to play and gone to what are you going to work -- make sure you get your grades up so you can play basketball but in that league. The rules are very clear he couldn't leave your best five out there. For four quarters so your best five played the first quarter. In the second quarter you had to have reserves because sub and the top guys third quarterback to them the the best five -- whatever. In the fourth quarter as you you broke take quarters they got to get way of doing it and it evens it out the teams are. Our pick you know ten to twelve the that was my range and can still listen.

They might you heads off if -- they -- I think a couple of years later. They. Play us refer to -- I think about him yeah. Good quarterback and there. But at that point you know your drafting guys. And the competition is very even in the rules. Kept things close. That they.

You'll learn anybody who coaches youth sports that they learn as you do it for a number of years is stepped apparent none not to paraphrase the quote. The old country westerns. Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the -- right. I mean you'll have a team never once in awhile that your going to have to pull the reins back you know when you're gonna have signal ansari. You can't shoot anymore you specifically. -- issue -- scored all season long she can shoot she gets chance but you can't. And and and you do that if you have to. -- also going to be on one of those teams that get its rhetoric and he didn't know and I'm telling yet I thought about coach I have coached both ends. And and I actually had a coached only one time when I took him off to the side away from the kids after the game. And I said well would and the right number for. Because obviously we didn't hit it and I know you were tribal what would have been the number that would have made you happy. And he said -- I can't keep them from scoring I can't keep on from shoot record and I said then you're not the coach our. As -- I talked to about deaths and it looked at me like I had two heads. This garbage like Steve from Fall River was trying to put forth this morning in Jermaine was doing the same thing you know well injure Jermaine had a great idea. The losing coach should have quit -- have to. That would have been the message that dissent justice to just take your kids and go home at halftime. Those kids showed so much more by stay -- out there and trying. And get their butts kicked and still trying. Somehow people are offended that Nike said you know what those kids who got killed. We're going to take an idea NBA All-Star game Nike for the them. The I'll I'll Mark Cuban has said he'd like to happen come to a Dallas Mavericks game LA and that haven't they suffered enough that -- Not desperate but but then well I mean I've got no issues with people try to do some nice. I mean and somehow all you do is Laura flying --

those DR Taylor's time and place his time and a place and the rules changed. Depending on where you are yet another lesson for kids. If you're dealing with youth youth sports. You do have to you come in and have different rules because some kids more than enough. I don't high school sports. Okay Europe got a little more flexibility -- there -- high school were talking about 1617. Year old as they can figure out. And generally. A division one. Athlete in high school is not going to be playing against the division's six teams area and unite here and a division for reasons besides your school and and then and the numbers -- in your favor. -- region. Where you're seeing a crow senior classes 475. Or 500 students you're probably playing against somebody else who has the same numbers therefore. Your players -- Might be -- what you just got a great player in your area like Cambridge did back I think Patrick Ewing is on your team and while you can't do anything about that. And college. The rains come off even more. You just do what you do you're one step away from the pros your scholarship athlete a lot of especially division one you're trying to go to the -- in the pros. There's novice you just do what you do you are your way Europe paid. -- paid your mercenary. You go out there if they can be 75 nothing in football you make it 75 not the.

They're also double. Actually I think the pros are actually more merciful. Than the youth coaches a lot of -- I don't know I don't think in the pros I don't think I think Doc Rivers. I mean he doesn't want them to start -- and it up ambient and playing bad basketball. But he he didn't necessarily want the thirty point halftime margin to be sixty at the end of the game -- well I'm.

about that I I think for him. He's worry more about his team -- as the other team in the number gets the fifties so be it. He just wants to get his guys some rest. I think there's no such thing as running up the score in professional sports right there absolutely. Is such a thing as running up the score in youth sports I don't see. How people can't. Figure out that distinction the pretty big distinction.

As as so one of the people like -- ordered 1 of the Dallas morning news stories said this morning. The children. -- maybe 151617. Years old they're still children. There's still hits -- you know they're not adults they're not division one college athletes. A -- as NCAA hockey debut this year was against UConn. They got beat sacred heart that -- something like thirteen and often and I got out shot about 58 at twelve. I saw our after the game and she's like wall. -- Division one college -- is that -- is a different more. You know in high school your team would call off the dog sin and and you wouldn't allow. Gore team to. -- another high school team. Division one college sports is different you know what you and it's a different and proposes even if they're gonna keep on different levels call for a differences -- we're going to talk I guess WB dot com doesn't always get the credit it deserves because. -- once it's out there. Despite expect that they were first. Then it just becomes well well. There's an offer for Jason Varitek and a will talk about back and where that whole thing stands it is Super Bowl week but I don't sense that anybody gives a --

Around here I am though I'm excited about it and excited about the game. I keep figuring out trying to figure out ways Arizona can win. I don't really see it happening. And so Peter King wrote on that Monday morning quarterback you -- butler of mr. but basically the same thing you said that on Friday. He talked to coaches who played cornerbacks -- out. You know be physical with them on and on and on to -- get your hands in there. What he's trying to -- I'm not even thinking about Larry Fitzgerald I don't think that's it the biggest issue the biggest issue to me is. How does -- offensive line. And this quarterback. Deal with the front seven of the Steelers. That to me is the game and I just I don't see I don't see it as a good matchup for Arizona. Now maybe Ken Whisenhunt can go back to week four from last year. They played in Arizona. Pittsburgh obviously was favored Pittsburgh did not win that game Mike -- its first season as head coach. Whisenhunt first year in Arizona and and the Cardinals win maybe saw something there and you can try to go back to that but. That's not a lot really hang your hat on and we beat him in week four last year how much has changed since then it's a little bit.

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