Dale & Holley's Opening Segment

Does it seem like. The fifth professional sports season now in this day and age especially if you do sports talk radio. Is the hot stove league and I like the -- yeah season. It is the fifth -- been fascinated and and not that -- really that a couple of guys sign and you know you've had a couple of things a couple of trades and -- but it seemed like it like it's like the fifth season. --

I like him more than the trading deadline because you know something's going to happen -- season and trading deadlines sometimes. A big trades go down but most of the time is just a lot of rumors. And in all or middle relievers who were switching teams. Guys who were picked up. After July 31 in -- not really entry by those names but now that CC sabathia going places. -- Mark Teixeira going places either to Washington and or or Baltimore port of lost. Derek Lowe. AJ Burnett. Got Nate Manny.

I mean at the New York Yankees who love or hate him in here where we live we generally -- With the New York Yankees basically putting. Bids and not any yeah everybody. You've got an offer I don't know if you've been to your desk yet there's an offer for you free agent offer from Brian Cashman Hank Steinbrenner and they have to take out you know you gotta look. Now you're not doing yourself any favors you don't know -- and -- are on a all the dollar Cameron thank you but that you look at it in there and on every game out there and generally I think -- agents who planned this stuff. Because -- if the agent Scott sports is the agent for most of these guys but if you're the agent for anybody one pick your guy. You'd be an idiot if you didn't plan a story -- in other Red Sox are looking at my guy. You know the Yankees have indicated an interest could just drives the price up. But agents don't even though the east L everybody. Now want this guy we want -- we're going to the these four guys lined them up to last.

Probably the vick's story nationally. That the Yankees are in on everybody but the big story here is. Whether Mark Teixeira. -- you gotta come here. Or is he going to go to Baltimore. Last Washington. Tournament won he won franchise split the season if history.

I have read your -- yard happier and our nation's -- why didn't line about baseball in DC in the baseball in the season. And that's a great. But about what what do you -- going to happen here. With this year I still think he'll be signed before Christmas. I don't think it will be by the end of the baseball winter meetings which sometime today. If that happened in the rule five draft is today. And then basically Irving kind of packs up then you know drops their final quarters into the slot machine that the polite human heads at the airport. I don't think he'll be signed today and only that'll happen on the there's enough there's not enough smoked indicate that fire has.

I'm not talking about the timing of it I'm back I'm talking about the place I mean based on the way that I had a tear basically the contract is structured. Is going to be elsewhere because he's got that magic and magical opt out clause.

What he doesn't have anything yet I mean we think that's what he wants sin and CC sabathia opened that door for a while. The Yankees and CC sabathia opened that door forever if he wants to play in his hometown. Well action but it definitely if they want him to play in his hometown. They'll get an opt out all they well there's no doubt in my mind. I thought the those comments in both papers today about the opt out clause were were pretty strong. Fairly unequivocal. Can be fairly easily that are running out of a young guy right. They -- unequivocal they don't want they don't believe in it and neither -- by the way. Jerry made a great point early this morning he said you know the only way that I if I was a GM the only way I'd ever given opt out clause is if the player gave one to me too. You know what if you stink after a couple of years going to opt out -- and it's real -- going to happen right guy but my point is it it is idiotic business. Do you think there's it and and in just for the sake of argument. Do you think there's any way in the world in three years. CC sabathia will be operating under the same contract it is about time with the Yankees. Do I think he's going to opt out of his contract -- concerts typically. Absolutely I don't know he will either go somewhere else and or young and opt out and get more money like we saw it rod first on.

I don't think it's idiotic business. It's it's risky business but I wouldn't say it's idiotic let us ACC stinks. As a way -- any.

Going to that he's going to say it now -- and I. Want to that would that's my point but when was the last time that happened at J. D. Drew some mediocre numbers in LA. Opted out got more money AJ Burnett who's been an injury issue for the Toronto Blue Jays opted out and I understand.

But these guys were not making. When he 12223. Million dollars a year. J. D. Drew and making 23 million dollars a year. We it was an opt out of not a not an idiot but you know who's going to -- the money gotten Los Angeles now he was coming off a season or at twenty home runs and hundred RBIs and rustic. I wouldn't say it was mediocre. And internationally 2100 is not great but it's not bad either. If CC sabathia. Gives you. A great season in 2009. And a couple of -- fifteenth.

He'll opt out it won't know he won't opt out and get on team with an. I'm out of here I'll tell you money more money. Doubt they'll re sign him for more money. What what did you have to do what's in that Dunkin' Donuts cup in my it's -- and every other days CC sabathia gives you. Two very solid. Matt Clement Boston years. Seasons. There's no way he would opt out one. And then if he were crazy enough to opt out so there's no way the Yankees -- resigning guys who have no production I think it's it's risky. You're counting on. As a team you're counting on a guy having great years. You're hoping you're about to have great if you're close enough yet I mean AJ Burnett didn't have great years he had one really comes here from the team's respect. It is --

You're talking from -- player's perspective from the teams perspective you're counting on a guy giving you a lot of production if your team like the Yankees in -- clothes. If I cannot we got a lot of money we got great players we're always in the mix even of people say the Yankees are down which though. He stepped -- to to us if we -- we get three of CC's best seasons when I did get a World Series out of this thing. And -- he ops.

I'm fine Michael AJ Burnett is about to get. Why years and almost ninety million dollars. Not think about what AJ Burnett has provided the Toronto Blue Jays. Think about he has his track record here last year. A good not great writer Doug Goodyear. Some mediocre years some stints on the DL journalism are questioning it a good year. He's kind of get five guaranteed years and practically ninety million dollars when all -- saddened.

Right but he wasn't media -- but he wasn't mediocre last year. And and people have never said. You know I just don't get it with AJ Burnett not fantasy and I don't get it because. Of people in baseball talk about stuff and not talent that he he is -- and they look at the production and say well oh. That's okay -- thought the special. I'm saying mediocre guys are not you know mediocre to bad guys if if CC sabathia balls in his face or falls.

Well -- sizable -- that he in New -- in mediocre to bad -- If if you envision that if he gets -- Well other than hurt well I mean I got the best that's why it's not idiotic -- all -- the it couldn't be dumber for a team to do. Because the team is never going to make out.

If these bad he's going to stay and -- money out of yet. It hippies mediocre -- if these mediocre to good he's either gonna lead or he's going to get more money.

This is not good business rental. It's a rental. A rental in which you're going to pay -- 369. Dollars through three years.

That's what it's not a problem -- it's a problem if you don't have it you're the New York Yankees sit. At and I'm not a fan of the Yankees but. I would do it the same way if I had more money than anybody else in baseball. I can do things that -- common common up I'm going to pull rank -- throw my weight around I'm going to do things that you can't think about doing. In Boston a but I do think if you think about doing in Los Angeles and Chicago and anywhere else so. It if I need to give up 23 million a year for three years. And I lose the player after the -- stand a chance of losing the player afterward okay maybe we -- we we got something out of it. Hopefully we got a championship out of now let's say the guy exceeds his contract is strange that sounds and he has three consecutive cy young Award season. On the New York Yankees if he opts out of his contract guess what.

I can outbid anybody else let's let's play the theoretical game promote -- your Brian -- You have as near as we know because we don't old when everybody else has it. But isn't as we know you have outbid the opposition by sixty million dollars. 660. Million dollars. In it wasn't enough to get the deal and you had to include opt outs no trades sixty. Million. And get it done. I mean if he had asked for for up up and house weeks in the empire state building with they've given him that too. Sixty million was an and a.

It's free agency. It's our free agency. You've got I mean you're competing with every team in baseball but not not really every team in baseball but you're competing about three or four ticket -- competing with four or five strong families so to speak. And you got to stand out. Enemy of the Yankees what do you have that no one else -- what do you have more of the day that that no one else.

The -- that way they did and it and it -- And I -- San. Francisco talk about this the war and at some point. And I don't you do with a straight face either TC -- Scott or some somebody with a straight face that. You know Brian your clothes. You know -- you just. Elaborate.

As we disagree. Really in a nutshell. I think free agency by definition. Is risky business so whatever you do disagreed so so what every you do in that risky business. It really how much how much worse can it get. So it's already. A risky time a year. You don't know you didn't raise this guy. He wasn't raising your system. You don't really know what he's like when times are great you -- you can interview people you can get reports you don't know what he's like. During the bad times all you know is numbers. What he did against do what people around baseball tell you. -- hang around them the entire season so. Bring in these guys then is risky so you're already in a risky field -- get a little riskier by throwing in an opt out clause that -- I don't have problems.

All but what gamble played a theoretical game north the and Scott Boras says the -- the money where we okay. You off the same model money says the nationals in the Orioles were good on the money. We just need an opt out aren't rocket this deal on the don't know -- the you know now -- Because the because he's very stated very clearly that's not -- a quality start the -- I don't feel that offering that don't don't don't -- me on the -- is all about the -- I remarked I thought about it I 1000000 not that I am not -- you know what it is you don't like the doesn't want to do it it's bad business. In and I do agree with -- on this one. And is every in his opinion -- a Pena hadn't didn't know and I agree with his opinion it is bad business. Because not you gotta go out negotiate with Kevin Youkilis and Jonathan Papelbon and you know on and on and on pick here pick your list here. And it's it's like when when they were talking about the no trade clauses. And I said well you know Manning's contract says it -- no trade clause he hits and no trade clause and.

Well. I usually is bad business. Is it not bad business or or equally risky business if you've got guys and your team who have won championships for you. A clutch player maybe that maybe the most clutch player. Other Red Sox have seen in the post season and David Ortiz. He's -- 2004. Big hit after big hit after big hit. He's being paid. At at the time and in 2007. He was being paid what eleven million dollars a year and how we think he's underpaid some compared to the the the -- of the world so. This guy has done things for you yet you go out and bring and J. D. Drew and you pay him more than the guys. Who has deliver for you and.

Post isn't this just a matter how you want to breakdown bad business once again a key player on the team that meant. This year. I got to hardware. Guys hurt. This guy he get the little back gate. Or get the to a fake me out with thirty games and you're paying him more money to pay me so you can you can play that game all day. Theo believes that that the the line the line he draws -- opt out clause. Brian Cashman and Hank Hank Steinbrenner Hal say there is no line.

You know I was gonna say they don't have a lot easier between old line. -- another point that I -- early this morning and I'll be fascinated when that happens. The details of of this contract will come at some point they always come. And a and I I'll I'll be fascinated to see what other little perks and Danny's got included. In for the right to pay 860. Million dollars. Or whatever regional final number ends up being because there's always little perks and -- in there. I -- the last at the Alex Rodriguez -- the old -- our back line -- Pena bonus to be you know and and an All-Star. If I'm paying that amount of money are supposed to be an All-Star. If Alex Rodriguez is making you know two wouldn't some -- million dollars from the Texas Rangers why are there any parks and Denny's in bonus clauses but the remark -- was our. I'll be fascinated to see what they look like that in the sabathia.

Let me just say this to -- one more thing on -- here. Who who are now obsessed with a stay up at night thinking about Mark Teixeira out I wake up when Mark Teixeira on the brain and you don't even want to yeah right.

I don't know doesn't want to -- that a lot of things that that kind of thing just.

Okay is this business what I was talking about a few days ago. So in the race to the finish. For Mark Teixeira. You have the Boston Red Sox. You have the Washington Nationals. When's the last time you put nationals in Red Sox in the same sentence by the way I'm not convinced that offers for real I don't think they have the money that's beside the point and and then you have. The Baltimore Orioles. --

Well we. And opening haven't said yet we believe. That the Angels are waiting for the offers the command and I'm gonna swoop and but we don't even know for sure the Red Sox have made a final well.

I want to see the Angels step up if the Angels don't step up and put this what if the Angels allowed themselves to be outbid. By the Washington African national. Or the Baltimore Orioles. That's my point about market -- there are no excuses right now he said before -- this guy has been has been. Trying to get himself position himself for free agency and this has been the plan all along well. Here's a perfect situation a team that wins a team that has money a team has expressed that as a desire to keep him attain. Who stars are getting older Vlad Guerrero. Is he looked like a broken down mental and fifty I mean you -- the combative and Garret Anderson's gone. They -- K rod. You've gotta you've got to make an -- that they don't make an offer. Best thing that concerns me why would you make an offer for a guy who -- and it's supposed to be.

Always a great player if they make a big offer then you're okay with the Red Sox -- demand. Not not not not necessarily. Well at that don't make and offers it can I don't know if they if it.

Goals along with what happens and about why do people move on from a they have the opportunity disarm and this is the best example I can make a case for Texas OK we made him an offer he didn't want it we had to trade them. I can make a case where Atlanta they've done it before they rented players were a year and they they see you later. I cannot make a case for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim we're trying to take LA. Second largest city in the country from the dark Dodgers -- try and up to put their name -- outside of Orange County. There's no excuse for them not making a competitive offer from Mark Teixeira who is their --

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