9-9-08 Holley and Felger talk backup QBs

Michael Felger you recognizes voices you recognize his face especially if you W the back -- Is -- that clip that he's talking about he's here today dale is in Maine dale will be back tomorrow. Obviously Mike we know what's on the table today. Same thing that was on the table yesterday in the same thing that was on the table. Sunday after Tom Brady went down -- never came back in the first quarter of the first game of the season. Surprisingly I think. We might agree on this I read to report card on WBI dot com. And now you're saying that you believe that Matt Cassel is the quarterback he should be the quarterback of this team and I agree with that.

No I'm saying that. I don't think physical and sign someone right now to start against the Jets. Right now for this for this time it's -- job to lose he should have a shot. To prove he can do what you look good on Sunday if you looks like act -- this team's going to win a lot of games I wouldn't change that right now the time to do what was in the offseason.

Why you feel like they can of that put it this way. If they had signed anybody else is signed Byron Leftwich with the Steelers or they signed Daunte Culpepper. Would you feel better today about Byron Leftwich that you would Matt Cassel.

Sure. That there is. When you've got a bit. Okay you can't have you can't have Honda insurance on a -- There is no insurance for Tom Brady right.

I think Bob Kraft analogy doesn't work to Mike Reid that is that matter insurance. -- insurance for Tom Brady had a ball average and moved on the Sox I mean do you -- it. All or what we try to talk about the backup quarterback that doesn't matter Brady goes down. It's over I said Brady goes -- wanted to move -- number that's it no no -- a -- on nine hits over a suited -- Tom Brady goes -- you're not happy anyway it's over. Because I don't look at football that way that these people say the Patriots don't have a chance of going to the Super Bowl the Patriots have a chance of winning. I think that's an extreme. But a lot of guys were -- Believe it or not we don't hold it would probably next to different people okay Delhi is that if the fiftieth white guy who lives and rent them. An out. I and -- on the third of the black guy who lives in Boston okay. You know he likes hockey and I'm not really into hockey that much we have differences okay he's been married if he was nineteen. And nineteenth I wasn't thinking about that any type commitment whatsoever so there are some differences between dale Arnold and myself. I think obviously if Tom Brady goes down you're not happy as the Patriots. But I think the season is over absolutely.

Exceptional no I didn't this season is overall -- I hated it for him. I can speak myself right now until the season was over.

Think about it this way -- teams right now getting. Love for being able to go to the Super Bowl who have decent quarterback. Peoples on the Green Bay Packers last night. It's -- Aaron Rodgers. They look at the Packers last June with thirteen three lose an NFC championship game. And they still say. If they do this this and have a chance going to the Super Bowl people think the San Diego Chargers go to Superbowl with Philip Rivers a quarterback. We saw the New York Giants win the Super Bowl African Manning quarterback last year so why would I say. That the Patriots have no chance of winning a Super Bowl. Just because Tom Brady's not it'll and you felt and I didn't hear this maybe I missed the day where you were saying throughout the offseason Matt Cassel -- up and he's the guy and they should. But a lot of trust in him to be the insurance policy -- but what you think trust any backup quarterback. A back up out there. That you can bring and and I say. This is great. Why it's a good things -- backup quarterback and anything great but it's all about it okay you after -- I think at San Diego if they suffers a and a they'll ever thankfully -- is going to win a lot of games right now so if it is if Rivers goes down in game two. You have confidence that for the better part of fourteen games Billy ball you get the San Diego Chargers to the Superbowl parties -- good backup quarterback. He's a good back and get back up quarterback why would you not want to have a good backup quarterback I don't get it but that's what this is what I don't get from him and I just make big. Maybe but for you to just I mean you just like dismissed the topic like the backup quarterback doesn't matter I don't I disagree let -- but you know. I guess maybe not -- Wednesday and and that's my fault for not being clear -- this is what makes a good backup quarterback. A guy who get to --

Gets you through three games there are no good backup quarterbacks. There they are very few and far between -- the guys to back up in the National Football League.

We only have to what do you guys should be starting in the place of the we're back where we started you'd think they're done. Because there is no good backup quarterback collegiate to a season I'd say -- he's going to have to -- all listen to break it down jacket and it's a two different things you're trying to make one thing. Okay here's topic and it. Topic today is backup quarterbacks in the national football. And we'll make topic be winning games so we'll put winning games on the back burner right now let's just focus on topic it. The backup quarterback let's be very narrow let's be very specific. When you're in the National Football League but -- is relayed -- now I don't get it yet they're related to another but -- how about -- but it's not all one big --

You can make it one big subject it's not just one big subject or parts of it it.

It's about winning games you know you'll popped up throughout to rob don't get new wants okay you don't get subtleties of what what you want everything to be a model -- this is not a model why don't get this new ones that obviously you don't trying to explain it. We have a backup quarterback in the league in any league which has maybe twenty good starters. If you're going to your backup. You're not really happy about it you agree with that. Okay. It obviously you're not happy about. So what I said to -- earlier was it.

If you have Tom Brady out and Matt Cassel.

Byron Leftwich Todd Collins Daunte Culpepper whoever it is you are not happy about it because. Ideally you want your back up in part three of four games that's that's. That's why their backups in the personally -- get obvious they're not not.

Is winning games we have a good team. Like the Patriots are have a good -- and apply and have a good topic of line yep forego at running back yeah good coaching staff. A pretty good kicker.

Got a good defense.

Duke teams don't win a fair amount of games even though you don't have the best quarterback in the NFL. So I would never say because the backup quarterback is in the season is over I don't think that way you'd. I don't do you think I think that way about I'm trying to educate you then I don't think I spent days and -- try to Tillman of Brady went down I still believe in the coach in the.

well after. Me and was on vacation yeah what do you guys that they all know it's.

It is dale was in the position like they've got vacation going to get a bill what do you for a week. I urge you play like in August and your basic stance was his back toward quarterback talk is ridiculous because of Brady goes down it's over not out -- out now he once again. You up at all and don't need you need us Michael did you meet periods in the new programs.

Okay I said I'm happy I don't know -- Understand I didn't tell me that article didn't understand what you're making such a big deal about it by the backup quarterbacks are import.

On good teams. I think they're important on good teams that you suck -- what's the matter I mean what it was about a pitcher starting your backup you're gonna sock if you're a good contending team. I don't understand why you wouldn't have someone that you have some experience and some faith and to back up your starter because you've got other things going on for.

It's ridiculous weight bear is no such animal out there. All right this regular they have them at Indianapolis. I Jim Sorgi the better ops in the Mecca known. I don't know that -- not -- council doesn't really Arnold we're talking right now about your point of how someone you have faith and trust it's important.

Is Jim Sorgi a good insurance policy a policy for Peyton Manning I think.

Howard and yet once someone better than us okay how about Denver was on Jay Cutler last night was that it's -- tobacco. It took it about him great I think they could do better but again they earn a spot where. Well that's different I'd. I think you could do better I think there's there's five to ten. Backups out there were I think you feel good there's not many -- never field get about a back -- there's not a backup quarterback in the league. I would feel good about 415 so -- there's no gradations of back -- quarterback to all lumped into one big. Thing backup quarterback not what -- looking for for the most for the most part backup quarterbacks. Are like what. Relievers used to be in baseball. In the 1950s. If you or reliever in baseball that means you were told -- has artists are the quarterbacks are built our because -- listeners a lot like I did not hear you ripping the signing of Vinny Testaverde had not be ripping the signing of Doug Flutie. I did not you ripping. When the team had both Damon Huard Drew Bledsoe and Tom Brady I didn't hear you ripping Jim Miller I think -- ripping. These guys they had -- If you don't I don't way you know why why did you criticize the team in that and we're halfway decent backups what a waste of money and doesn't know I don't I didn't rip them. Tickets -- Patriots think now -- I think about a Mike what happened in August I don't think about what happened and what did you do to break it down for liberated. What happened and August is that a lot of people saw what was going on the back up quarterback and it didn't look it. So well you can go Wednesday all right I'll just -- themselves here and they should probably do something to improve that or they should've done something to improve that but. That would constitute second guessing -- criticize the digits if you don't want to go there are. Your next recourse is to say that topic doesn't matter because all backup quarterback -- you -- don't repeat that's why don't so Mike I don't disagree with -- I don't like at some -- so now I'm afraid to criticize the Patriots for what reason I don't know what reason. It's not it's if you think I'm afraid to criticize me Lima for idol -- Mike I would. What Mota was -- all I would say is that. You have two options either you could say that. Their backup quarterback isn't good enough and -- should use them to improve it or the whole subject doesn't matter now -- bad.

He limited way of thinking there's another option Michael Felger in the other option is. When you look at the backup quarterbacks in the National Football League you don't see anything out there don't waste your time. I don't did you aren't that I don't like there might like -- by -- the dirt did you give us a Johnny unitas called on the phone. We get another Kurt Warner on the phone can we do that. These guys don't exactly my point when the Dolphins at a perfect season was a quarterback from the it would it was that. It was -- was 1972. Yeah it was a 38 year old backup -- or moral.

Was an old guy and he got them through many games at the matter of fact of the people bodies at the start the Superbowl and completely different Arab NFL.

I don't know roster Giants won an -- won't tolerate there was a quick -- now -- seventeen years ago. --

Is day to Trent Dilfer start the year and Baltimore's starter. So you'd like Trent Dilfer. I'm just want to Trent Dilfer -- I'm just saying that there are guys who recorded back. Backup quarterback and others but you have you have to name them -- I. I'm Billy Billy Bolick Trent Green Gus Frerotte David -- Todd Collins all available this offseason all of them David -- nail you down on. Because -- didn't kind of slippery here. I'm not actually like no not -- you -- back apart don't matter are better backup quarterbacks than others you think all in one big ball back and I. Sock and I they are -- most I think for the most part there are exceptions. You just made a couple of them and and a history. But when you have a Kurt Warner's situation in 1990 -- Trent Green has hurt. My Rodney Harrison. Kurt Warner comes in. NFL MVP off the charts. That is the almighty telling you. You have lived the good -- thanks for walking that old lady across the street they were sitting next to the -- with braces and broccoli and -- At the cafeteria when no 1 else I am going to reward you Dick vermeil. With Kurt Warner them part of Kurt Warner -- what they signed a food I need it. A back -- quarterback needs somebody there wanted to keep drafting young kids develop because it's -- a lot cheaper and try to do -- to do that with with Rohan -- didn't work with Rohan Davey. Criticism okay. Rohan Davey just wasn't ready -- He wasn't ready to work if truthful about the Patriots. But in Kliff Kingsbury didn't work out. Kevin O'Connell we we don't it might work out -- Matt Cassel will know. Maybe in three or four games I think going into that bye week. We'll know what's going to happen for the Patriots going for what your same like that for the most part doesn't matter who your back -- quarterback is they all stink and there's no scouting or any skill involved you have your starter and then whatever behind him is behind them and you just take your chances that your feeling I don't know my feeling we're glad they are public -- what -- that. And I happen but it just said that I guess sick and didn't know for a.

Probably much the United States.

For us to have a radio show. I think we should probably blog back and forth and -- maybe you can read what I'm saying -- they ever have a listing problem just say it again on your feeling on the backcourt. You're not happy when the back up as an --

Dollar short okay -- pat well well at the top market you don't. If you lose at Florida you're not happy about opening -- and it didn't and I say to you house is something to you.

You say da and you repeat what I want to.

He's not -- not let it stop this -- okay yes and it if you lose your starting left tackle or you happy.

You're unhappy so -- shouldn't have a good backup left tackle if you're used to keep you happy quarterbacks -- and have a good -- I think there -- thirty good what is having that -- got left tackles in -- website is that there's a problem but the quarterback position.

And the only our guy starting in this league we really. Don't want starting. All of you don't have 32 good starters or hell makes you think Michael Felger got 64 guys even the guys but you can rely on.

Because I think that you can be.

Because there are good back of situations are at backup situation they're still backed up situations. There at the I don't know I don't know what to look at fourth but -- does -- radiation. A team having a good back report that back up it's not absurd there's not one back up in Italy. Who should be starting.

Right now not one not even Matt liner but that's not the okay. The argument is it.

I don't know what you're trying to make the argument Saints view is competitive backup quarterback matter you can have a good. It's possible it's -- that it put backed up those that want to start. The -- all -- getting my it is my buzz if you're. Heart and cardinal like. I'm -- put a marvelous because it because they really don't like I can't let it all the people on the well I want -- rod OI just erotic frank greener Billy Bullock or I don't know. Well based on the great body of work based on what exactly. -- based on -- of -- and you are you are you -- a a celebrity guy if you heard the name before.

It must be pretty good.

Are you also are you -- credit than that what you understood it got a guy that played in the league started and won in the league low -- it is good cars definitely. He's 18 game. He's won that game take our off the list I. A desktop with an American Saturday and they wonder -- exactly.

Shortly so the black quarterbacks that you are asking for. Anything. That you heard of them why they did you why I'm -- him.

Why did what they keep Damon -- here three years wide like they do those things -- bring in Vinny Testaverde explained it to me he Testaverde consummate veteran like that play almost a million dollars but what they bring them and I didn't want to see Doug Flutie and I think Jim Miller wanted to -- this thing. Who want to see all over overtime Brady nobody want okay I want to see as a backup quarterback. -- think about the backup quarterback position obviously. -- it doesn't matter what is also clearly clearly. It's not a there there is not a situation. That you could find yourself -- you you can't fine. And back to my original point before it was that it. Are as I said you can not find insurance there's not adequate insurance. For Peyton Manning there's not adequate insurance for Tom Brady. There's not adequate insurance for Drew Brees.

These guys and not be replaced you can't bring and a guy who makes you feel good if they hit a bit picking dirt -- Mike. So like a bit at certain elements that might have been part of it.

Haven't you bring -- anyway due to the point at any given the job that brought any of your guys you would not feel confident that he can do the job not a single wrong you're wrong you're wrong and I'm willing to be sold and it happens in -- I think there's a shot. That Matt Cassel can do the job if he played like the way he played on Sunday -- plays like that going forward. They're going to win a lot of games they're going to win a lot of games back Cassell goes thirteen of 18 interceptions they're going to be and it all right. I'm Matt Cassel goes back to looking like he did in August that probably in trouble I think that could've done better at the backup quarterback spot. But a considerable labor that point Bill Belichick made this -- not brought a lot of --

As -- you have -- base -- on you think that could've done better at the backup quarterback spot yet that's what you say one. On the other hand. We get your your your ratings you're Patriots report card. Get the quarterback position a big used could tell. It could've done better any gives you rework the rest of the year adjectives that thirteen -- thirteen of eighteen. Then it went thirteen games. Where you write what you.

I was brought about -- right about the position. Absorb -- and you open to -- one for tell him and how would write if it. They win games with a backup quarterback position is important Michael when you have a good game okay that's my -- if they were. Wrong about castle that they win games and -- and -- pocket they have done better thing I would be wrong about Cassell the player. But right about the position and the story line which is back quarterbacking is important hundred. Your all for two on one part I -- like. -- That no I hope I didn't start this item I am all for this jail because I have to not my attention I have to sit here with. Or another I'll I'll open up game. I think another three and half he and Jimmy I just came here ready Red Sox are close to first place like -- mean but the report -- I pick and you. About a lot of things because I don't know. Why you have come to the conclusion. That you're the only person. Who can criticize the Patriot and I said. Or or the only person in this room. -- criticized the Patriot. It -- small room that probably games the Patriots won the last 23 years helluva lot of games calm. A lot wrong. -- last couple years. -- So. That they've done that nothing. Happened and but -- a lot to criticize model and if you are. Criticized in the Patriots. You -- make it. You probably want to entertain yourself because -- not that much criticized. Things some some important things but for the most part right -- again -- that straight because. I mean look at it that's another obvious point if you get started cornerback it's not happy about it out I thought I read Patriot -- Well a lot of red Patriot -- I don't know a lot of it or read tales from the Patriots sideline by -- open up the list.

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