07-23-08 Felger and Frede Sox Talk

I say we saw the good Daisuke but I think -- is good overall -- higher on Daisuke the most people are I think. In my opinion he's going to look like that more often than not eventually sooner or later it's my opinion it's going to click in and he's going to be -- back I that's not going to be. Just sort of that flash. He's going to losing consistency and is going to be that good solid number two we saw last while the numbers certainly sportsman and you look at the problem. He's eleven and won the opposing batting averages Lowe is under at the last known I don't know all the reports yet where it was a 22 heading into the game -- but it went around -- I think what helped him more than anything last as Seattle's awful meets the Seattle is the worst team in baseball and they get they would up their they had. No patience that it won't work -- mean. I walked eight guys in the game once this year I mean don't doesn't come across scatter report somewhere along the lines and you may want to work count on this guy get a deep into the game today and get into that bullpen which is the weak part of the team or it's at the last it's eleven -- at the same block. Not much recently -- Daisuke got deep and Okajima came in last nine million nodded off before this sport and you need to be told that Okajima was good last night but Okajima was the last night I mean if you fell asleep while -- it was still on the map what's you know sometimes communiques the wind -- it works. He went seven and -- third Okajima with a guy who came out and that was not the case the night before this Francona. Did all he could to stretch Leicester out to get the Papelbon last -- as Okajima he came in. Got two outs in that eighth inning came in with runners on base Daisuke was -- gave a couple runs. Oh he comes and got the job done I mean that's that is -- posits that board will be interesting to hear what Francona has to say because I know. He's kind of been hesitant to use him. When the game's on the line that the trying to build him back up because he had bottomed out now. If Francona and John fear of -- like Okajima. That they've seen on the inside that. They saw him reach spot that they can start to count on him now because. It's going -- I would have more confidence in him then Manny Delcarmen I mean I'm just not completely sold on del Carmen Bryant on not alone -- outscored while Papelbon came in and night last night.

Wolf R ball talk a lot today about I've sort of recent conclusion in my mind about what I want them to do about middle relief and I want them to do is nothing. Part several factories acquires some debris so yes I'd rather than. I'd rather them throw these five guys as a five I mean Okajima Delcarmen Hansen Aardsma Masterson I'll throw those last two guys in there as well one. -- those guys. And I'd -- someone emerges. I think it's more likely that someone from that group emerges van. You'd trade for a -- does that -- a prospect and he comes in his lights out I think more often than not -- here with field. The guy that he brought has brought in has not worked out on that middle relief. I would think the lesson that I I would take -- national -- you're doing is making your closer to center. And that is just kind of mindset being that relievers have a problem with some of the guys like you know there's someone behind them but there's a safety -- make it -- up some guys want to be the end -- there's something to that I think it's more -- reliever thing. If you can give me the list of relievers who are good year in year routes. I'll give -- one hand I mean literally. We'll do this now it's off the top I had were research in this all the battle -- sport but -- a number of closers in Major League Baseball put together three straight. Top ten seasons okay Rivera's done. Hoffman's -- just talking closers just opens. A hard time coming up with a list you'll find a lot of guys. Who were great for a year or two and then the third your blood and arm or wet their pants average or not there's a bunch of guys like that to -- and closes which are the best relievers in baseball. -- consistent year in your route. Very few guys sell. Back to my feeling about trading for reliever. It's so hard to predict there so inconsistent. Day are great in one place and -- sock in the next there'll lights out one year and then there a puddle the next. -- Brad Lidge name there's a million guys like that Eric Gagne -- and others drug consideration -- some of these guys but the point remains with relievers. It's just a crapshoot and give up something of value for a guy at a position to -- predict I don't want to do it.

And -- one other factor is pitched in Boston I mean it is not Milwaukee it is not Pittsburgh you're talking about a different kind of mindset you you have to -- you go into that or -- and be able to put up with everything you have to you have to be able to go into New York if you're Jonathan Papelbon and and and use everybody Beaulieu. To your advantage I don't think everybody's cut out of that I I you know I think there are certain and that may go back to you count on one hand guys who are. Even the guys who feed off that stuff Rivera. Merciful -- you go doubtless having BJ Ryan has turned himself that he could stay healthy into a pretty -- out he hasn't had to throw something that your real anger you know it's helped her head there's very few relievers helped -- how applies -- can keep it together consistently year in year out team -- team it is. It's very hard for that to exist but again look at that a lot about the course that I -- I want to do anything I am I would agree with you on this now. I don't think what they would have to give up to -- somebody like you know Fuentes who now Colorado as an. They may be twelve games under 500 but there and it in the west so you wonder if he's going to be on the way -- I don't want them to bring someone else and if that means. Giving up some of these guys or develop because they all are legit boating is legit Daniel Bard is throw an easy 9899. At Portland he's legit I mean I think you would have to give up somebody like that. In order bring someone else that when you know from past history ball can this guy do it in a setup role in this -- do it. In Boston I don't know I mean I think you you can develop these guys only give them that taste of trying to get at the Boston and.

And that's in -- work now I mean there's I think there's also a decent track record recently of young bullpen. Getting it done you don't expect him to Detroit a couple of years ago young team Detroit as the rays right now and in it and looked at the races too young -- ready. The Detroit -- went to the world today and -- at all but they went to the World Series the year before two years before anyone thought they were ready -- young arms are fine but to kids in the bullpen. They were fine told Bobby Jenks when he closed the Chicago White Sox and went there's. You know what. You're just as likely to get up -- break up performance from young. Dodd. As -- our brand and name that's done it before it's just the nature of relieving and would give you -- numbers and examples but. So I don't want them to do I think in the bullpen and I don't like Jon -- it's one -- mentioned yesterday he went into Arizona couple hours -- I talked about Ankiel. From while Washington Arizona I just on turn one of these fancy. Equally to just awful and he was closer my team's got to watch him I would not mind and Detroit and the -- horse. Rose parties -- that he's he's played -- a bad team but anyway. I just don't think that they need to make a move there I don't want them to the odds -- that that to work out if they want to make -- trade for -- god bless America -- and -- for -- A lot of that deal on the Red Sox providing you can somehow get insurance why that particular review close I don't want to give credible but I'm getting a better player yeah I get radical.

You know you -- debate. -- All right I don't well I don't know all I don't know what is make up your revenue was two under a microscope. Seems like he can fit here no doubt about it doesn't support this isn't anti Kevin Youkilis mrs. -- different caliber. Higher -- or a player -- truth 31 under in a day and age when those guys are dwindling. Duke Louis despite his recent power surge is knocking it over 25 home runs in my opinion he's not act guy all right. The one thing he brings you over Teixeira is versatility. But anywhere else where you closest batter -- couple of course its only for a guy who's going to provide long term. Power in the middle might order which is that you need in this organization. Clinton that for -- that shares -- He's a year younger I mean nets and it's. Does that that's a fraction of that that Matt is a young girl matter young girls. Well I mean our pocket there I don't know 365 last night like elements. That doesn't mean enemy means zero to me. -- supplement it with 38 this year blow out 34. What is different. On its not trading Kevin Youkilis for Giambi yummy got you in separate I -- use for you I was going to have. -- prime years for a year to go to shirts. In -- crime. In his first couple years a pretty good. You know no -- he's been impressive in places where he hasn't had to perform. -- Duke with his consistency consistently done that. He's done a variety ways but. You know if you're talking about this is the end game -- manes activity around after -- I I think many back next year I think when he million is that that's that's a bargain -- an absolute bargain aisles with a lot. Bargains as strong argument saying I don't I don't agree with that but that you know that or years I mean to me when he went from and is not a reasonable -- it -- It's going to I think Ortiz is on the way down I do. Outlets production or health I I think it's it's some it's close to the beginning at the end not saying where's our research department and that's what he's going to come back here and crap of that. But I just think injuries like you saw are not going to be uncommon for him and a month you saw from him to start the season is another little sign now that Ortiz getting better more healthier.

The only thing -- from my perspective watching him that you know he does everything in in such a by way with his swing his swings and misses everything -- but what they've been watching over the past week in. But elected now on Portland how's he coming off of the BP I was working in the game when -- especially when he messes and I mean if that's what you're going to base the fact that you think that Ortiz is going to have diminishing returns now I think that's kind of within reason that's that's just then that's. Well I mean he's well I think you're guessing as saying he's going to continue to improve and get better and well he liked that the worst guess than mine he's now you know give research department you've got -- guys in the National League when your expert on. I mean you're sitting here watching extra innings package that you got some guys don't count holds -- the justice.